Announcing Villages.cc
Ryan Fugger
has a marketplace and discoverable user profiles:
It's basically a social barter network with Ripple as the accounting
system. To simplify things, since Ripple is already complicated
enough the first time most people encounter it, the only units are
hours, and credit limits are set by users giving each other "hearts"
as endorsements, which is useful by itself as a reputation metric
separate from any Ripple accounting.
I'm hoping that this will be more useful and usable than Ripplepay for
most people. If it proves useful, I intend to merge Villages and
Ripplepay accounts onto a common backend server, so Villages accounts
would be accessible through Ripplepay as well. Right now, though I
want to see if Villages can grow given enough attention.
Please check it out and sign up if you'd like to create a profile.
You must be endorsed by an existing user to join, but I will endorse
anyone I recognize from this list who fills out the sign-up form.
Most likely there won't be any users in your area yet, so I'm counting
on you to invite some! The goal is to enable face-to-face
transactions, not just interaction over the internet.
Let me know what you think. Thanks.
Ryan
Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis
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Miles Thompson
Miles
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Thomas Sherlock
Hopefully you will recognize my name when I send an invite, despite my minimal participation here.
I will also forward your note to the Skype chat, the Open Collective for Open Money and Alternative and Complementary Currencies.
You may know it.
Regards,
Tom
dwilliams
requested one for dwil...@gmail.com, oops)
Andrew Miller
planned to start us off?
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that requested them.
Note that by far the best way to get more people on is to invite them
yourself on the system rather than just sharing the link. Because if
people just come to the site and request an invitation, they're asking
me personally for an endorsement. (One feature I'd like to add is
crowd-sourcing the endorsement of invitation requests to bring people
into the system, so there would be a section where you'd see people
who want on the system and be able to endorse them into the network if
you thought they'd fit in.)
Thanks for the support. I'd love to hear more feedback once you get a
chance to play around.
Ryan
Ryan Fugger
> I don't see anything in the market place. Do you have anything fun
> planned to start us off?
>
No, as I mentioned before, it's just starting, so there's probably no
one in your area yet. Try viewing posts "anywhere" instead of within
5 km.
I did get a suggestion that I should put a couple of spoof posts in
there for fun just so there's something when new people arrive and
it's empty. Maybe I should just tweak it to show all posts when you
arrive the first time?
Ryan
Jorge Timón
The "only hours as units" decision to simplify is probably going to
help in making it easy to explain and nothing more is really needed
(users can agree that ann hour is equivalent to 6€, $10 or whatever if
they want).
The focus on local trade is good too. I don't know why many LETS
advocates see Ripple as non local, but hopefully this helps them to
reconsider their opinion on Ripple.
As a little suggestion, if the system could interact with facebook,
google+, diaspora and other social networks, it could be more viral.
Inviting people on your mail address list (import from gmail, hotmail,
etc like some social networks do) would be a nice feature too.
Thank you, Ryan.
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> As a little suggestion, if the system could interact with facebook,
> google+, diaspora and other social networks, it could be more viral.
> Inviting people on your mail address list (import from gmail, hotmail,
> etc like some social networks do) would be a nice feature too.
>
Yes, I can see that helping get more people on, but for now, I'm
focusing on quality over quantity -- getting people on who really
believe in the project and are willing to help work to make it
succeed. For that, I think considering each person individually makes
sense. When you know someone personally and can give them a
testimonial, that helps.
Also, I've built in a limitation for new users: You can only give out
5 hearts for every endorsement you receive. This is so new users
don't get entangled into a web of acknowledgements/IOUs without
realizing what it means to be a Ripple intermediary or how this can
come about if they endorse a bunch of people and give them high credit
limits. This also means that you won't be able to invite everyone you
know right away -- you'll have to think of a handful who might really
be interested.
Ryan
Jorge Timón
By the way, if you want to translate the web to spanish you can count on me.
I can also translate it to portuguese too, but that will take more
work and I can't assure that all the translations will be accurate.
Most of the people I know don't read much English.
2011/11/8, Ryan Fugger <a...@ryanfugger.com>:
Ryan Fugger
> That probably makes sense for starting.
> By the way, if you want to translate the web to spanish you can count on me.
> I can also translate it to portuguese too, but that will take more
> work and I can't assure that all the translations will be accurate.
> Most of the people I know don't read much English.
>
Thanks. Maintaining a translation of a developing site is quite a bit
of work. My plan was to wait until the wording on the site settled
down a bit before getting translations done, but I agree it would be
nice to have some translations soon, even partial ones.
Ryan
Jorge Timón
messages are changed.
When you think is appropriate, send me the internationalization file
or whatever contains the messages.
Miles Thompson
Thanks for this Ryan. Sorry for sending out general purpose links. So excited about this!
Guess it would be good to have a per-person customizable link that you can send on twitter so at least if new people sign up as a result of that they are going to ask *you* for permission to join. Or something.
In other news I kinda ran out of hearts to give out with only 2 people invited.
I'm happy to wait but for what its worth I feel that I personally understand the problems I might get into vis-a-vis having to make good on those hours I've put on the line - and I'd like to put more out there. I have more people in my own local community I'd like to get on board. Please sir can i have more ? ;-)
Miles
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Ryan Fugger
> Thanks for this Ryan. Sorry for sending out general purpose links. So
> excited about this!
>
> Guess it would be good to have a per-person customizable link that you can
> send on twitter so at least if new people sign up as a result of that they
> are going to ask *you* for permission to join. Or something.
>
Yeah, that's a good idea. I've been mulling about how best to do
this. I'll give it some more thought. For now, it's not too big a
deal for me to get all the invitation requests and route them manually
but eventually I'll need something more automated.
> In other news I kinda ran out of hearts to give out with only 2 people
> invited.
>
> I'm happy to wait but for what its worth I feel that I personally understand
> the problems I might get into vis-a-vis having to make good on those hours
> I've put on the line - and I'd like to put more out there. I have more
> people in my own local community I'd like to get on board. Please sir can i
> have more ? ;-)
>
Good feedback. I pulled the number 5 hearts per endorsement out of
thin air, and maybe 10 is better? I've set you to have unlimited
hearts, since I trust you know what you're doing, and it's not always
clear to others that they should endorse you back. (I'll have to
think on how to encourage that more too.)
Ryan
Jorge Timón
For example, I would have given you more hearts, but I didn't want to
waste invitations.
And if say 10 of my friends get registered by inviting themselves
between them I will want to endorse them all.
2011/11/8, Ryan Fugger <a...@ryanfugger.com>:
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Jorge Timón
What if you could filter only the offers you can actually pay?
Or for asks, only the ones from the people you can receive hours from.
When the number of users gets big, the market place will be annoying,
with a lot of offers that don't really interest you.
2011/11/8, Jeffrey Cliff <jeffre...@gmail.com>:
Jorge Timón
2011/11/9, Jorge Timón <timon....@gmail.com>:
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Evgeni Pandurski
I could not find how can I give hearths to someone that I have found in
the list of people. Is currently a way to give hearts without inviting
the person (because he/she is already in)?
Evgeni
Jorge Timón
you click "endorse".
2011/11/9, Evgeni Pandurski <epand...@gmail.com>:
Ryan Fugger
> A suggestion.
> What if you could filter only the offers you can actually pay?
> Or for asks, only the ones from the people you can receive hours from.
> When the number of users gets big, the market place will be annoying,
> with a lot of offers that don't really interest you.
>
Yes, good suggestion. This is a planned feature.
Ryan
Ryan Fugger
> Maybe only invitations should be limited and not the hearts themselves.
> For example, I would have given you more hearts, but I didn't want to
> waste invitations.
> And if say 10 of my friends get registered by inviting themselves
> between them I will want to endorse them all.
>
Yes, this is a tricky one. Part of limiting the hearts themselves is
limiting the credit limits people can set initially, so they don't end
up owing a lot without realizing that can even happen to them as
intermediaries.
If anyone here wants unlimited hearts to give out, let me know
privately and I'll set you up, because I trust you all know what
you're doing.
Ryan
Ryan Fugger
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 2:11 AM, Miles Thompson <utu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Guess it would be good to have a per-person customizable link that you can
>> send on twitter so at least if new people sign up as a result of that they
>> are going to ask *you* for permission to join. Or something.
>>
>
> Yeah, that's a good idea. I've been mulling about how best to do
> this. I'll give it some more thought. For now, it's not too big a
> deal for me to get all the invitation requests and route them manually
> but eventually I'll need something more automated.
>
I've added a "Share" page (bottom right sidebar) that gives you a link
to share so that you will receive the invitation requests. I've also
added facebook and twitter buttons. If someone is a twitter user,
could they test that button and let me know if it works OK for them --
I'm not a twitter user. (No need to post the tweet, just see if the
suggested tweet is OK.) Thanks.
Ryan
Jeffrey Cliff
Otherwise, i like it so far, good work ryan
Ryan Fugger
> There needs to be a 'help' for every screen, or at the very least a screen
> from every screen back to the main screen - kind of like ripplepay is
> lacking. Otherwise people are going to have *no idea*
Thanks Jeff. I agree, the user experience needs to be as intuitive as
possible, but there should always be a link to more explanation when
people are confused. Right now that link is the "About" link at the
top, mainly the "How it works" section. I'll keep developing more
helpful copy as I work on the site. If you have any specific
suggestions, please send them to me.
Ryan
Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis
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some will have more than that. It would be nice to support that somehow,
if it can be done without adding too much complexity.
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I was thinking about asking Ryan for one more value in the distance
selector, but your proposals are more generic.
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your profile, and then a session location, which you can set to
something other than your home location by unchecking "Save as Home
Location" on the locator page. Right now, posts can only come from
your home location, but I think they should rather come from your
session location, so you post from wherever you currently are.
Right now, posts maintain their location when you change yours, but it
might be nice to have the option to have a post follow you.
For people with multiple locations, it would be nice to have a
dropdown to select from them when posting, and when updating your home
or session location. I'll have to think about how best to do this.
Maybe a "My Locations" page to manage multiple locations? Ideas?
Ryan
2011/11/11 Jorge Timón <timon....@gmail.com>:
Ryan Fugger
<xeko...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think it would be better if you could choose the radius of maximum
> distance that a service is offered.
> It makes more sense if the center of the circle is in the person offering
> the service as is done in ebay etc.
>
Hmmm... To me it seems like the person doing the searching is more
likely the one who is going to decide how far away they want to look.
I can't imagine blocking a post from someone 11 km away just because
the poster decided that the post radius ought to be 10 km.
On ebay, the seller decides where they can/will ship to, but the buyer
decides the geographic scope of their search.
On the other hand, I do see how it might be nice to be able to
differentiate between posts that required face-to-face interaction
(location matters), and posts for transactions that can be
accomplished remotely (location doesn't matter). My initial idea was
to let the searcher decide based on what they were searching for. I
don't think I'd want to add more options on post and search unless
this really doesn't work for some reason.
Ryan
Kevin
them to follow me around. But I could see the other case as well. It
seems like having a flag in the post to go one way or the other would be
helpful.
Or...posts could always have a "permanent" location, but then you could
have a batch "move" of multiple posts to a different location. It
depends on how often people would change locations and want to bring
their posts with them.
A "virtual/no location" flag for posts also seems useful.
A "My Locations" page sounds good. Any search should allow you to pick
your location, as should any post (as you said). Hopefully for the 90+%
of people who have only one location, all of that can be unobtrusive.
Kevin
Jorge Timón
list for searching would be enough for now.
My concrete needs:
1) Be able to post separately for two different cities.
2) Be able to search in both cities (they're 100 km from one another)
I also like the "no location" idea for some offers.
Maybe a list of locations for some offers too?
2011/11/12, Kevin <kev...@peakhope.com>:
Jeffrey Cliff
Ryan Fugger
> 1) Just a low-priority suggestion but would it be possible to eventually get
> a map of your local 50Km/100Km and all the ripple users therein, give or
> take?
I've considered this, but I'm not sure about it, for privacy reasons.
I want users to feel safe putting in their actual home address without
worrying that someone will be able to stalk them. (Technically it's
possible to triangulate someone's exact location by varying one's
location and search radius, but that would take a bit of doing.)
I also personally don't get a lot out of seeing users located on maps,
but I appreciate knowing if others do, and what it is that they like
about it.
> 2) it might be time to put it in the ccdb
> http://www.complementarycurrency.org/ccDatabase/
Done, thanks.
Ryan
Alessio Stalla
> 2011/11/8 Jorge Timón <timon.elvi...@gmail.com>:
> > That probably makes sense for starting.
> > work and I can't assure that all the translations will be accurate.
> > Most of the people I know don't read much English.
>
> down a bit before getting translations done, but I agree it would be
> nice to have some translations soon, even partial ones.
Italian. I think it's very important for Villages' focus about local
communities that there are as many translations as possible, even if
they're not 100% accurate or up to date.
Keep up the good work!
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Jorge Timón
Why everybody needs an endorsement to join the web?
A group of people totally disconnected with us could join and endorse
themselves.
2011/11/15, Alessio Stalla <alessi...@gmail.com>:
Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis
Sincerely yours,
Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis
Jorge Timón
of the users.
Why do we need to be all connected within the site?
Doesn't seem very pro-local to me.
I guess a page to find users that are already registered but not
connected to you would be necessary if that's allowed.
2011/11/16, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis <xeko...@gmail.com>:
Ryan Fugger
> I've been thinking...
> Why everybody needs an endorsement to join the web?
> A group of people totally disconnected with us could join and endorse
> themselves.
>
The idea was to try to get people who are really committed to the
concept initially, and who won't be put off by the fact that there's
not much there yet. You're right, there's no technical reason why
everyone needs to be connected. There could easily be separate
groups.
I have been thinking about removing the requirement to be invited
sooner rather than later...
Ryan
Jorge Timón
from communities that I want to invite because I think they may be
interested in experimenting or using the site as a tool for their
local trade.
Say people who already use local currencies, time banking or barter
clubs; permaculturists, squatting social communities, etc.
They may even prefer not being connected with us initially.
2011/11/16, Ryan Fugger <a...@ryanfugger.com>:
Ryan Fugger
1-heart/hour endorsement, which is a pretty small trust level. But I
suppose I needn't worry too much about keeping the quality of the
initial userbase high if it's getting in the way of getting people on
the site...
2011/11/16 Jorge Timón <timon....@gmail.com>:
Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis
Sincerely yours,
Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis
Jorge Timón
That way he can make sure that the site is not misused at an early
stage, which could be bad.
I just want to put the link everywhere I think there's people that may
be interested but I fear two things:
1) My friends thinking this is facebook and following me in endorsing
lots of people I can't trust without risks I'm willing to take just
because of my faith in the project and they should not take.
2) Outsourcing all those risks to Ryan and having him welcoming
heterogeneous people from all the spectrum of "monetary reformists"
and "localists" that I find to spam.
What's the best thing to do for my case?
If you think I should wait to look for people I don't trust but have a
strong incentive or a good "trust infrastructure" to start to using
village, I can do it.
I just want to know I will be able to do it.
2011/11/17, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis <xeko...@gmail.com>:
Ryan Fugger
> You may be right.
> That way he can make sure that the site is not misused at an early
> stage, which could be bad.
> I just want to put the link everywhere I think there's people that may
> be interested but I fear two things:
>
> 1) My friends thinking this is facebook and following me in endorsing
> lots of people I can't trust without risks I'm willing to take just
> because of my faith in the project and they should not take.
>
> 2) Outsourcing all those risks to Ryan and having him welcoming
> heterogeneous people from all the spectrum of "monetary reformists"
> and "localists" that I find to spam.
>
> What's the best thing to do for my case?
Just go to this page:
and distribute the link you find there to wherever you wish. Use your
own judgement on the invitation requests you receive.
Ryan
Jorge Timón
I guess a page for searching registered friends would be necessary
before letting people resgister without endorsement.
Of course, this isn't necessary nor urgent. But It's the way I think
the site should end up working.
2011/11/18, Ryan Fugger <a...@ryanfugger.com>:
Ryan Fugger
> Yes, that's what I'm doing now.
> I guess a page for searching registered friends would be necessary
> before letting people resgister without endorsement.
> Of course, this isn't necessary nor urgent. But It's the way I think
> the site should end up working.
>
Do you mean importing contacts from other sites like gmail, facebook,
etc. and seeing if any of them are registered users?
Ryan
Jorge Timón
If one can register without endorsements, that would be important to
search for friends to endorse and ask endorsements from.
But that would be nice too.
2011/11/18, Ryan Fugger <a...@ryanfugger.com>:
Jorge Timón
Ryan Fugger
> No, I mean a "member" page or the like with a textbox to search.
> If one can register without endorsements, that would be important to
> search for friends to endorse and ask endorsements from.
>
Yes, this is how the "people" section of the feed works. You can see
everyone, not just those in your network.
Ryan
Jorge Timón
Then there's no technical reason to not allow registrations without
endoresements.
2011/11/19, Ryan Fugger <a...@ryanfugger.com>:
Ryan Fugger
> Oh, great.
> Then there's no technical reason to not allow registrations without
> endoresements.
>
Correct. I've actually just opened up the site to registrations
without invitation. I've also added a setting on the Account Settings
page to give yourself unlimited hearts if you know what you're doing.
As well, you'll now receive emails when someone accepts your
invitation or registers through your shared link.
Ryan
Jorge Timón
not connected in any sense to us.
2011/11/22, Ryan Fugger <a...@ryanfugger.com>:
Sepp
I registered on villages but have a complaint to make ;)
The messages/choices/explanations I got when going through the sign-up
process did not really tell me what this is all about and how to use
it. Actually, they left me kind of dazed, although I have been close
to Ripple for quite some time. Someone should go through those
messages/choices with the viewpoint of a new person arriving, who has
not heard of Ripple before.
Then there is the user interface on the page, which you see once
you're registered. It isn't really intuitive.
I know I may not be of much help here, but an overhaul of the
interface design - I believe - would be in order.
Kind regards
Sepp
Ryan Fugger
> Ryan,
> I registered on villages but have a complaint to make ;)
> The messages/choices/explanations I got when going through the sign-up
> process did not really tell me what this is all about and how to use
> it. Actually, they left me kind of dazed, although I have been close
> to Ripple for quite some time. Someone should go through those
> messages/choices with the viewpoint of a new person arriving, who has
> not heard of Ripple before.
Thanks for the feedback Sepp. I'll keep working on making the purpose
of the site and the whole sign up process more clear.
> Then there is the user interface on the page, which you see once
> you're registered. It isn't really intuitive.
> I know I may not be of much help here, but an overhaul of the
> interface design - I believe - would be in order.
I've actually received a lot of feedback that people are finding the
interface quite intuitive, but your opinion is definitely noted.
Ryan
> Kind regards
> Sepp
>
>
> On Nov 22, 11:35 pm, Ryan Fugger <a...@ryanfugger.com> wrote:
> I've actually just opened up the site to registrations
>> without invitation. I've also added a setting on the Account Settings
>> page to give yourself unlimited hearts if you know what you're doing.
>> As well, you'll now receive emails when someone accepts your
>> invitation or registers through your shared link.
>>
>> Ryan
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Jorge Timón
for posts.
Maybe offers and wants posts should be in different pages first, but
that's another question.
One of the first labels that will be required are language labels.
Show me the posts written in...english, spanish, italian, whatever...
Other labels/categories could be "agriculture", "childs", "computers",
"graphic design and photography", "books", etc.
What do you think?
Should the language of the posts be implemented as one more label or
through a separate field?
Is it better a selector with fixed categories or just user defined labels?
2011/11/24, Ryan Fugger <a...@ryanfugger.com>:
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Jaro Larnos
to supercede Ripplepay.com, and what kind of future plans do you have
for it? Can payments made on Ripplepay.com eventually become obsolete?
I just joined Villages.cc through Jeff's invitation. What now? :)
2011/11/8 Ryan Fugger <a...@ryanfugger.com>:
> Hi everyone. I recently launched Villages.cc as a Ripple system that
> has a marketplace and discoverable user profiles:
>
> http://villages.cc
>
> It's basically a social barter network with Ripple as the accounting
> system. To simplify things, since Ripple is already complicated
> enough the first time most people encounter it, the only units are
> hours, and credit limits are set by users giving each other "hearts"
> as endorsements, which is useful by itself as a reputation metric
> separate from any Ripple accounting.
>
> I'm hoping that this will be more useful and usable than Ripplepay for
> most people. If it proves useful, I intend to merge Villages and
> Ripplepay accounts onto a common backend server, so Villages accounts
> would be accessible through Ripplepay as well. Right now, though I
> want to see if Villages can grow given enough attention.
>
> Please check it out and sign up if you'd like to create a profile.
> You must be endorsed by an existing user to join, but I will endorse
> anyone I recognize from this list who fills out the sign-up form.
> Most likely there won't be any users in your area yet, so I'm counting
> on you to invite some! The goal is to enable face-to-face
> transactions, not just interaction over the internet.
>
> Let me know what you think. Thanks.
Jaro Larnos
Sorry about that. I assumed Ripplepay might end up unused and all.
Well it seems everything is fine.
I do find it a bit disheartening though, that when I was making a
public invite in Diaspora*, one of the people following my notices
replied he's not going to be using it because the Google integration.
I guess he meant the usage of Google Maps on Villages. I've noticed
the Diaspora* people in general are what you would call privacy
conscious and there's not much trust towards the big players like
Google & Co. So it made me wonder if it were possible to use something
like OSM (http://www.openstreetmap.org/) instead of Google Maps for
showing the locations of the users?
2011/12/7 Jaro Larnos <dignifi...@googlemail.com>:
Melvin Carvalho
> Oh, my... I seem to have read the initial announcement kind of badly.
> Sorry about that. I assumed Ripplepay might end up unused and all.
> Well it seems everything is fine.
>
> I do find it a bit disheartening though, that when I was making a
> public invite in Diaspora*, one of the people following my notices
> replied he's not going to be using it because the Google integration.
> I guess he meant the usage of Google Maps on Villages. I've noticed
> the Diaspora* people in general are what you would call privacy
> conscious and there's not much trust towards the big players like
> Google & Co. So it made me wonder if it were possible to use something
> like OSM (http://www.openstreetmap.org/) instead of Google Maps for
> showing the locations of the users?
Diaspora folks are far from security conscious, as evidenced by their
abandonment of end to end encryption pretty early on.
Retroshare does however have end to end encryption
http://retroshare.sourceforge.net/
The good news is that the lead dev or retroshare wants to implement
ripple when they get some developer resource, which would be kind of
*awesome*
Jaro Larnos
> Diaspora folks are far from security conscious, as evidenced by their
> abandonment of end to end encryption pretty early on.
You mean the end-to-end encryption of public posts as opposed to
private posts? Well, the definition of public is that it's public, so
it's pretty much nonsensical to encrypt it. I'm not too sure where
they are presently with the implementation of server-side data
encryption though. But it is still alpha so I am not complaining, yet.
> Retroshare does however have end to end encryption
> http://retroshare.sourceforge.net/
>
> The good news is that the lead dev or retroshare wants to implement
> ripple when they get some developer resource, which would be kind of
> *awesome*
Retroshare is an interesting project, and I will be keeping my eyes on
it, but I suppose I'm really looking something that I can install on a
plug server and "forget", in a similar way as I could a Diaspora pod,
or maybe in the not too far future, a FreedomBox. That way I wouldn't
need to carry my PC everywhere I go. As I understood, Retroshare is
only a p2p client of sorts, that needs to be installed on whatever
computer you want to use it on. It will use the resources on the
computer, and while it works when my computer is turned on, it ceases
to work as soon as I'm off-line. With a plug server I can go off-line
and my "shared" stuff doesn't disappear in the process, unless
Retroshare is actually more like Freenet where everything is uploaded
to a "cloud" of peers. And even that is not very reliable when
disconnecting while in the process of uploading.
Interesting nevertheless.
Melvin Carvalho
> 2011/12/7 Melvin Carvalho <melvinc...@gmail.com>:
>> Diaspora folks are far from security conscious, as evidenced by their
>> abandonment of end to end encryption pretty early on.
>
> You mean the end-to-end encryption of public posts as opposed to
> private posts? Well, the definition of public is that it's public, so
> it's pretty much nonsensical to encrypt it. I'm not too sure where
> they are presently with the implementation of server-side data
> encryption though. But it is still alpha so I am not complaining, yet.
Diaspora are good at promotion, not so brilliant at tech, imho. My
great hope for them is that they spread the idea of distributed social
nets.
>
>> Retroshare does however have end to end encryption
>> http://retroshare.sourceforge.net/
>>
>> The good news is that the lead dev or retroshare wants to implement
>> ripple when they get some developer resource, which would be kind of
>> *awesome*
>
> Retroshare is an interesting project, and I will be keeping my eyes on
> it, but I suppose I'm really looking something that I can install on a
> plug server and "forget", in a similar way as I could a Diaspora pod,
> or maybe in the not too far future, a FreedomBox. That way I wouldn't
> need to carry my PC everywhere I go. As I understood, Retroshare is
> only a p2p client of sorts, that needs to be installed on whatever
> computer you want to use it on. It will use the resources on the
> computer, and while it works when my computer is turned on, it ceases
> to work as soon as I'm off-line. With a plug server I can go off-line
> and my "shared" stuff doesn't disappear in the process, unless
> Retroshare is actually more like Freenet where everything is uploaded
> to a "cloud" of peers. And even that is not very reliable when
> disconnecting while in the process of uploading.
Yes, if you turn your machine/plug server off, retroshare will will
turn off too
>
> Interesting nevertheless.
Freedombox and retroshare are a marriage made in heaven, since both
use GPG, it's on their todo list to evaluate.
If it includes ripple it could be that much better, since it already
has a front end for a web of trust.
Ripple is on the roadmap, but not yet resourced, If anyone wants to
build a ripple module for RS, get in touch!
Jorge Timón
I've corrected "Is" for "It's" in an endorsement and I feel like I'm
bumping it or something.
In other cases it may be useful but maybe the edits should just leave
the messages where they are.
What do you think?
2011/12/7, Melvin Carvalho <melvinc...@gmail.com>:
--
Jorge Timón
Ryan Fugger
Ryan
Jorge Timón
> I think it's OK for now, especially since there's not a ton of activity.
> Eventually it may not be useful though, you're right...
I've noticed you have already changed it, thank you.
Another thing I would like to have is an additional option for the
distance select like 100 km, to be reach Cáceres (the city we're I've
lived most of my life and which I visit very often) from Badajoz (the
city where I live now). A perfect option for me would be to have
values like "Extremadura" (the "Autonomous community" of both cities),
"Spain", "Portugal" (It's really close). But that would be much harder
and I guess it wouldn't add much to most people.
Of course, I'm still impatient about the translation of the web and
I've increased the bounty:
https://villages.cc/posts/88/
Rational System
This booklet is designed to be used by groups of all kinds to promote community development by use of a cooperative business structure and cc. It especially focuses on use by council. The system can be used even in the most impoverished areas and is of course adoptable by any group using either a local currency or the cooperative business model.
Robert
andrewed
First, thanks for your great job with Ripple and Villages. My interest is in getting my whole network onto a good currency system. I've been intensely examining currency systems for a month (http://bit.ly/wbccsl). I find Ripple extremely compelling because your genius solution to the LETS accountability problem. This makes it newby friendly and stable long-term. It accurately models how people use credit in groups. This familiar feeling is its great strength. I just can't overstate how impressive and sensible I find this. My only hesitation with using it was the asocial vibe of Ripplepay.
So I'm very glad to find Villages.cc, which takes a huge leap forward from Ripplepay. Awesome. It is one of three systems I have found that meets Thomas Greco's standard for a viable web-based credit clearing system, which must have:
1. a marketplace
2. a social network
3. a means of payment
4. a measure of value or pricing unit
Villages's social network is deep, too, like the highly cool/social acknowledgement function.
That said, Ripplepay has some things going for it that I wish were also in Villages. The main thing is the terminology. It's all familiar. So it is not a stumbling block. Pay, receive, offer, and credit are all instantly understandable terms.
In contrast, I find endorse and acknowledge unclear. Acknowledge could even have been used in place of endorse. I figured it out in principle, but still have to wrap my head around it from scratch everytime I see it. Request credit and accept request for credit would work for acknowedgment. Reputation is partly clear, actually. It means total credit.
Time-based currencies have no legal issues. I wish we could just the regular, clear, short words we are used to. The good feeling you are trying to evoke with the words will come from simply using such a fair, sane system. Plenty of alternative currencies have nice words but feel terrible.
It is also not clear what the currency is called. Heart would be fine. Hour is actually not good. Charging x "hours" per hour for labor is confusing.
I wish the currency were based on the minute or at least could display as minutes. An hour is very big and clumsy. It's equivalent to having no fives, ones, quarters, or dimes. A percentage of an hour is, again, unfamiliar. In contrast, a minute is universally and easily measured. Its passing can actually be felt. And it corrolates well to the smallest usable denomination in many currencies. I learned this living in US and Greece—where pennies are loathed and nickels are bothersome—then in Guatemala and Sweden, where the currencies are worth 12-15 US cents. In Guatemala, use of centavos is infrequent, and in Sweden, amounts are officially rounded. I would also like to be able to offer credit in amounts less than one hour.
This is my main feedback.
Small suggestion:
Ratio in Mayan number system (1, 5, 20) is very efficient for denomination. Maybe use it for:
- number of posts to show in feed (10, 50, 200),
- search radius: (1km, 5, 20, 100, 500, 1000, any)?
- if Ripple ever goes paper
Ok, thanks again.
Andrew Durham
independent investigator in philosophy, health, & design
http://andrewdurham.com — the darkness conjecture
541.210.8470 vm
andrewed
Andrew
andrewed
It's cool how the number changes in relation to each trading partner.
I love how Ripple's paths of credit eliminate tons of arbitrary
administrative work and control necessary in LETS, which proves quite
dictatorial or burueacratic. People determine their own debt exposure
on a case-by-case basis, just like we do in real life. And then tons
of useful data could be mined from these basic numbers. It's like the
simple rules of a fractal.