[Rhodes22-list] GPS Choice

[butterchurn]

I'm looking at getting a GPS for Ozone. I was wondering about your
recommendations. I will be needing it on the Great Lakes for the most part.

What do you think about Garmin 76 vs 78 vs 431?

Thanks for the advice ahead of time.
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[Mary Lou Troy]

There was just a recent discussion on the TSBB about this.
http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/trailersailor/index.cgi/read/818328

We recently bought a Garmin 78 sc. We still have our old (12 years
maybe?) Garmin - non-mapping. We basically decided that seeing as how
we hold on to these things a long time, we would get the newer
technology. Also liked the display a bit better. We haven't played
with it enough to know if we like it.

Mary Lou
1991 R22 Fretless
Rock Hall, MD

[Leland]

Might find something in the archives around late October:

Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:52 AM
To: rhodes...@rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] GPS

David,

Here's a picture of my Garmin handheld:

http://old.nabble.com/file/p32724526/At%2BEase%2Bin%2BMarch%2B021.jpg
At+Ease+in+March+021.jpg

I only use it for speed but it works great because the display is large
enough to read from the helm. Unfortunately Garmin doesn't make it anymore
and the closest replacements are the 152, 620 and 640 which run from $300 to
$800.

https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=147
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=147

Good luck!

Lee
1986 Rhodes22 AT EASE
Kent Island, MD

Greetings,

A friend of my wife is now a widow. Her husband had a boat, amazing what
little she knows about it. Anyway she gave us several things. One being a
Lowrance iFinder GO2 handheld GPS.
With fresh batteries it seems to work but cannot seem to locate any
satellites. It is made around 2006 and I found the manual online. no
troubleshooting guide that I could find. Is there a subscription required
to get this to work?

I hate to toss it or pass it on. It is marginally useful with technology
today, but the price is right.......

What handhelds are Rhodies using now?

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David B. Craft
Greensboro, NC

butterchurn wrote:
>
> I'm looking at getting a GPS for Ozone. I was wondering about your
> recommendations. I will be needing it on the Great Lakes for the most
> part.
>
> What do you think about Garmin 76 vs 78 vs 431?
>
> Thanks for the advice ahead of time.
>

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[Rick]

One thing nice about Garmin is if you have one for your car, the computer
hook up and software are all the same for their marine models.

Rick

[Geoff Farrell]

I use my IPad Touch for GPS and instruments. The Touch doesn't have a GPS
receiver, but, there are products available that act as a "sleeve" for the
Touch that have receivers. This allows the Touch to run GPS dependent apps
just like the Iphone. I think I spent about $100 for my GPS sleeve and
another $49.99 for the software- I use INavX. The sleeve also lets me use
other software with my Touch, such as navigation for the car. $49.99 may
seem like a lot for an app, but, when you see the power of this app you
appreciate the reason for the price. I believe all NOAA US maps are free
with the app. InavX supports tracking, waypoints, and myriad other
functions. I love it. Yes, the screen is small. Some day I'm hoping to get
an Ipad to fix that situation. But for now, my Touch is always aboard. Geoff

[cowie]

I researched various options in 2008 and concluded the Garmin 545s with a
surface mounted transducer mounted in the lazaret would work best for my
needs. The display can withstand rain and provides speed, depth, chart,
location, trip planing etc... works fine for me. I also like the idea of
ipad and iphone technology as it is easy to update and get additional
information. I have a $4.99 app for my iphone that provides AIS information
for large tugs and tankers traveling out on the Chesapeake Bay. The iphone
display is small and I worry about an ipad out in the elements.

My model is several years old but here is a similar model at west marine. I
will also enclosed a pdf file with a couple of photos of my unit
installation.

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=436298&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&storeId=11151&storeNum=50157&subdeptNum=50164&classNum=50165

http://old.nabble.com/file/p33204487/gps.pdf gps.pdf

butterchurn wrote:
>
> I'm looking at getting a GPS for Ozone. I was wondering about your
> recommendations. I will be needing it on the Great Lakes for the most
> part.
>
> What do you think about Garmin 76 vs 78 vs 431?
>
> Thanks for the advice ahead of time.
>

http://old.nabble.com/file/p33204487/gps.pdf gps.pdf
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[Ellner Rod]

Have you considered a fish locator/GPS combination. I like to fish and I drag a line behind the boat a lot. Great Lakes..I see Salmon, Coho, Lake Trout, Walleye..... It would also serve as a depth finder and give you your speed. An added chip can be added and it will show you topographic map. Navionics is the chip manufacturer. Lowrance, Humminbird, for the GPS/ fish locator.

Rod
Toy Blew

[Jim Connolly]

I make do with a handheld Garmin Colorado. It has a nice color display, if
not overly large. The version I bought comes with nautical charts, and I
added a topo map I can switch to for hiking & geocaching. It is waterproof.
It was a fantastic upgrade from its predecessor, a Garmin 48. I bought the
Colorado instead of the more popular touch-screen alternative, because I
thought that sunscreen and touch screens might pose a problem.

Jim Connolly
Inisheer

[Bob and Kathy Quinn]

I have an "old" Garmin 176 that works well.  I mount it on the Pop-Top bar for easy viewing.   The 640 is tempting if you have the $.  They go on sale periodically for $200 off.   Think that Garmin is discontinuing this model.  It will be interesting to see if they replace it.

Bob in Florida

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Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 11:53 AM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] GPS Choice

[peter klappert]

[I've already written most of this message before, but my PC decided to install an update and restart while I was doing so. This version will be more hasty.]

When choosing electronics for Aeolia I followed Practical Sailor's ratings as closely as I could, along with recommendations from the List. Of course newer models succeed the PS-rated models in no time.

I chose the Garmin 541s rather than the 545s, because when I checked them out in a West Marine store the enhanced resolution of the latter didn't seem to justify the enhanced cost. It's mounted on the starboard bulkhead in the cockpit with an Airmar Model P79 transducer mounted in the laarret. (I think the sounder was chosen by Stan--I'd have to check my invoices.) I always remove the 541s when the boat is not in use.

I also got the Garmin 76Cx handheld, which I use a great deal because I find I can't see the 541s well from the tiller. I plan to add a (removable) fixed tiller extension, because it's hard to stay on course when using the hiking stick at the front of the cockpit. Too much wiggle. (I probably need cataract surgery but I doubt that will make the 541s much easier to use, what with glare, reflections, fingerprints on the screen, etc.) The real solution would be either a much larger and more expensive screen or finding a way to mount the 541s closer to the tiller.

With either of the 541 or 76Cx you'll want (need) to buy the G2 Vision Cards, but there have been a lot of promotions offering the cards free or offering rebates. That may mean Garmin is about to release new models.

Two other points: (1) Initially I couldn't seem to configure the 541s to give me the info I wanted, particularly aids to navigation. Turns out you only get most of these is you choose "maximum detail." Other elements of set up strike me as counter-intuitive &/or are not well explained in the owner's manual, but that's not unusual with hi-tech electronics. The people who write these manuals should be condemned to using them. (2) I'm not real happy with the sonar graphics, which are not very precise, particularly when using the split navigation/sonar screen.

P

BTW: The vhf recommended by Practical Sailor is no longer made by Standard Horizon. I sent an email to Darrell Nicholson (PS editor), explaining that I was having an R22 built & following PS's ratings--did he have an opinion on the best vhf for a pocket cruiser now? His reply started "Great choice of boat!"

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[peter klappert]

One not-so-nice thing about the Garmin 541s is that, unlike the 76Cx or automobile gps units, it has no internal battery. (No AC power adapter either.) I'd imagined sitting in the sunroom (looking at Aeolia) while using the "simulation" mode to learn about operation. Nope. Your classroom choices are cockpit or cabin.

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[butterchurn]

Thanks everyone for you replies. This gives me something to think about.
Thanks!
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[Chris Geankoplis]

I Love it when some can talk tecno! I'm condemned to sail the seas with me
spyglass, leadline and cutlass. ARRRgh.

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[R Orkin]

They all work, but for my money if you want a mapping GPS.. Get the largest
screen you can feel comfortable with. Saves a lot of scroling and zooming.

R

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Tilghman, Md
2000 Recycled Rhodes 22
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[Rick]

I was on a 70' Lake Erie cruise boat and the captain was using a Garmin
Colorado, so I got one for myself. It has all the chart detail you would
ever want, plus every other feature you could ever think of.

Rick

[Bob Keller]

I tend to agree. I use a Garmin GPSMap 478 because it is a portable (not handheld) chartplotter that has all the maps for NA. Portable works for me because I use it on both my powerboat and R-22. But as a chartplotter, the 4" screen is really too small to actually plot routes and plan trips. So instead I use Mapsource software on my laptop and transfer the points and routes to the portable unit. If you don't want to do that then get a large chartplotter. See pic attached.BK
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[Geoff Farrell]

Is anybody using an Ipad for navigation?

[Chris Cowie]

Practical Sailor has a good review of ipad options.

http://www.practical-sailor.com/issues/37_14/features/ipad_nav_apps_10715-1.html

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[Geoff Farrell]

Thanks, great article. I second their opinion on INavX. I use it on my Ipod
Touch. I really want an Ipad but they are so darn expensive. I'd have to
cut in to my liquor budget to afford it and I'm not willing to do that.

[Chris Cowie]

I am in the same boat, R22 and can't spring for an ipad.

I have several navigation apps on my iphone.

Navimatics Charts & Tides Version 4.3 US East Coast. This program includes an Active Captain overlay that is fun to see other user ratings of various places. The iphone is too small for this app to function as a meaningful navigation tool but it's fun to play with and didn't cost too much. I am sure the ipad would be a much better platform to use this type of app for navigation and would also provide a number of other useful tools such as weather and ais.

Other apps on my iphone include:

Navionics East: I purchased this one first and then bought the Navimatics to get the Active Captain overlay. This app is not currently working on my iphone, not sure what the problem is?

Ship Finder by Pinkfroot: This is a cool AIS ship locator. Shows current boat position and AIS ships within range of the screen view. I use this to see what large ships might be headed my way on the Chesapeake Bay. The cost is less than $10 for the iphone and its fun to use. The ipad would provide a better screen view.

Weatherbug: I like the current conditions, forecast and active radar map this program provides. This is pretty easy to use on the iphone.

wunderground: available through my safari browser has a nice link to wind, wave, small craft warnings etc...

http://www.wunderground.com/MAR/AN/534.html

[Geoff Farrell]

Yes, when I read the PS article they had a link to Active Captain that I
went to and tried (on my computer). Pretty cool site.

[Bob Keller]

My brother-in-law (who sails a J109 out of Annapolis) uses his Ipad and it is pretty good, but only as a secondary unit. One problem is that you can't integrate it with you autopilot and other instruments. That's why I prefer the GPSMap 478.BK
> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 09:29:55 -0600
> From: geoffrey...@gmail.com

[Bob Keller]

My brother-in-law (who sails a J109 out of Annapolis) uses his Ipad and it is pretty good, but only as a secondary unit. One problem is that you can't integrate it with you autopilot and other instruments. That's why I prefer the GPSMap 478.BK
> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 09:29:55 -0600
> From: geoffrey...@gmail.com

[Lisa Lias]

We ended up with the Lowrance with a fishfinder. We like it. Fish, however, are smarter then they look.

Lisa and Ron
Naughtisaurus

Sent from my iPhone

[Ellner Rod]

We have a Humminbird GPS/ fishlocator
Rod

[Cover-Man]

iPad is an excellent gps platform. It is also the best choice for movies, music, and on and on. A recent cnet article reported that most users do not access 70% of their downloaded apps - in my case very true, although the other 30% are really valuable.

Art

Have a nice day!

On Feb 2, 2012, at 8:09 PM, Bob Keller <r22yanke...@hotmail.com> wrote:

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[Cover-Man]

If you go for it, Chris, you will never regret. I opted for 32k for video space, although now not necessary with excellent devices available for streaming like the Seagate GoFlex Satellite, with 500g of reliable streaming. While the Fire and Nook look like reasonably and more budget-wise substitutes to the iPad, they fall way short on things you will want to use.

Art

Have a nice day!

[R22Rum...@aol.com]

Art,
How much moisture will the iPad tolerate? I'm not so sure it is suitable
for a marine environment????????

Rummy


In a message dated 2/3/2012 9:03:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cove...@comcast.net writes:

iPad is an excellent gps platform. It is also the best choice for movies,
music, and on and on. A recent cnet article reported that most users do
not access 70% of their downloaded apps - in my case very true, although the
other 30% are really valuable.

Art

Have a nice day!

On Feb 2, 2012, at 8:09 PM, Bob Keller <r22yanke...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
> My brother-in-law (who sails a J109 out of Annapolis) uses his Ipad and
it is pretty good, but only as a secondary unit. One problem is that you
can't integrate it with you autopilot and other instruments. That's why I
prefer the GPSMap 478.BK
>> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 09:29:55 -0600
>> From: geoffrey...@gmail.com
>> To: rhodes...@rhodes22.org
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] GPS Choice
>>
>> Thanks, great article. I second their opinion on INavX. I use it on my
Ipod
>> Touch. I really want an Ipad but they are so darn expensive. I'd have to
>> cut in to my liquor budget to afford it and I'm not willing to do that.
>>

>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Chris Cowie
<cco...@cowieassociates.com>wrote:
>>

>>> Practical Sailor has a good review of ipad options.
>>>
>>>
>>>
http://www.practical-sailor.com/issues/37_14/features/ipad_nav_apps_10715-1.html
>>>

>>> Christopher P. Cowie
>>>
>>>
>>> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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>>> From: rhodes22-l...@rhodes22.org [mailto:

>>> rhodes22-l...@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Geoff Farrell
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:33 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] GPS Choice
>>>
>>> Is anybody using an Ipad for navigation?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Bob Keller
<r22yanke...@hotmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I tend to agree. I use a Garmin GPSMap 478 because it is a portable
(not
>>>> handheld) chartplotter that has all the maps for NA. Portable works
for
>>> me
>>>> because I use it on both my powerboat and R-22. But as a
chartplotter,

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[Geoff Farrell]

I believe you can get water resistant cases for the Ipad. Additionally, I
see people using their Ereaders (specifically Kindles) outside and at the
beach all the time. I think with reasonable care you will be fine.
Certainly, people use their laptops on board all the time and I would
suspect an Ipad would be much more water resistant than a laptop.

[Ronald Lipton]

There are a bunch of waterproof ipad and iphone cases available, including
one with a vacuum port. I usually keep my iphone in a pelican box, but I have
to take it out of the case to use it. There are some reviews at:
http://www.ipadaccessories.com/general/waterproof-ipad-cases/

Ron

[Michael D. Weisner]

Ron,

The Pelican cases are only water resistant, not waterproof
(http://www.pelican-case.com/i1015.html)

There are quite a few choices at:
(amazon.com, search electronics for "waterproof iphone case")
http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=waterproof+iphone+case&tag=googhyd
r-20&index=electronics&hvadid=6514447896&ref=pd_sl_87kam9jbh3_e

BTW, why would you want to vacuum seal the case? Wouldn't that cause water
to enter if a leak developed?

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY

[R22Rum...@aol.com]

Occasional use outdoors or at the beach doesn't compare to a marine
environment. Heat, salt and humidity in a marine environment are much more
difficult on electronics. I know of several computers that have crapped out while
being used onboard a sailboat. Marinized electronics have special coatings
on boards and other electrical connections. Personally, I wouldn't rely on
an iPad.
My wife takes her Kindle to the beach all the time. She's had to replace
hers twice (under warranty) after using it on the beach. Stick with products
that have been certified to withstand an occasional splash or at the worst
a complete submersion to a few feet.

Rummy


In a message dated 2/4/2012 10:34:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

[Rick]

IMHO, the Accer is better in sunshine than the iPad.

Rick

[R22MikeW]

Rummy,

I agree that electronics that are not meant to be used near water should not
be exposed to high humidity (or salt air). Those that are safe to use near
water have special coatings and requirements for their PC boards (conformal
coating of board, passivation of conductors, etc.)

That being said, I carry an iPhone at most times for work, even when out
sailing. If I take a call I am working, even if at the helm. So much for
the concept of "being off from work". I just purchased a new protective
case (waterproof to 30 meters) for $21.49 ($16.50 + $4.99 shipping) from
WhyPayMore4PC of Amazon as follows:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0058NXWPY/ref=ox_ya_os_product
"Waterproof Case for Apple Iphone 4, 4s - Also Works with Ipod Touch,
Iphone 3g, 3gs, & Other Smartphones - Ipx8 Certified to 100 Feet"

Be sure to scroll down past the featured merchants (at $23.45) to find
WhyPayMore4PC for the lower price.

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY

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[cove...@comcast.net]

Rick,

I am told that the non-reflective screen protector will remedy what you refer to.  I like the Acer also, although lacking touch screen, somewhat greater bulk, and battery hungry.  Anyone found and used a non-reflective?

Art

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[cove...@comcast.net]

Rummy,

You probably saw my followup to Bob, the cover is excellent, as Mike's is for his iphone.  I can function fully and instant on and off to save the battery.  My ipad is excellent on the battery, and if necessary easily tethered to a usb power source like a cig lighter type plug into 12v socket.

Art

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[Rick]

Art,

Acer lacking touch screen? Never heard of such a thing. Another reason I
have the Acer is my wife's preference for the touch over iPad due to her
arthritis.

Rick

[Cover-Man]

Rick,

I hit the wrong button and erased in error. I use the aspire one, unaware that they have a touch screen. A feature I have sure enjoyed.

Art

Have a nice day!

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[butterchurn]

Well everyone I have been searching and I have these two options for a GPS.
I found a company that is selling factory refurbished with full warrantee
GPSMAP 640 with both the street map card loaded and the g2 maps loaded for
less than $500. The same company sells the 78sc for the mid $400s and a
GPSMap 3205 new for the mid $400s. I'm trying to figure out which to
choose? All thre have advantages and disadvantages.

Which of those would you steer me towards?

Ron

butterchurn wrote:
>
> I'm looking at getting a GPS for Ozone. I was wondering about your
> recommendations. I will be needing it on the Great Lakes for the most
> part.
>
> What do you think about Garmin 76 vs 78 vs 431?
>
> Thanks for the advice ahead of time.
>

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