[Rhodes22-list] IMF

[David Craft]

Greetings,

My 89 Rhodes was recycled in about 2007 or 08. The prior owner had IMF
added as well as the furling jib.

I have the manual on the furling jib but not the IMF. Any idea of the
manufacturer so I can look it up?

I do not think the sails have been removed in last 4 fours and I am debating
removing them this winter, hence the need for the manuals.

Thoughts on removing the sails for winter are appreciated although I hope I
can get out as late as December and as early as March......

David Craft

Greensboro, NC

Boat in Southport, NC
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[Rick]

Dave,

The IMF mast is by General Boats; I.e., Stan.

[R22Rum...@aol.com]

David,
The IMF is a General Boats design and build. Removing the sail is an easy
operation once the mast is down.
Perhaps there is a generous owner in your neighborhood that would be
willing to help, otherwise we can give you a written set of directions.

Rummy


In a message dated 10/9/2011 9:01:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

[Melvyn Rothbard]

Rummy:
 
 
It would be really advantageous if you could put out the information for removing the main sail from the IMF.  I have been thinking about doing that task but was concerned with messing it up.   Thanks
 
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[Chris Geankoplis]

I will be removing my main from the mast at the end of October. I will take
a series of photographs and write up the steps. This sort of chore is
usually not time sensitive as the sail repair/restore companies aren't very
busy until late winter early spring.
Chris Geankoplis
SV Enosis
Medford, OR

[Jay Friedland]

Mel,
Just ask. Rob & I replaced his with new sails from Stan this year. I had my luff recovered on the main as it deteriorated from UV 2 years ago, after 14 years. So it's feasible for all 3 of us to screw up replacing your main.

Anyway, we need to catch up. My boat's the first to snap the bow chainplate 3 weeks ago according to Stan. My son, Justin was out night sailing, when it broke. he was able to secure it to a bow eye, but when he tied the gennie off, he only secured the center section, and a storm a week after the hurricane we survived, tore the gennie up. I was able to the full UV cover and Eisenglas window replaced in a few days at Moorhouse. I was heading to Stan to get my new trailer so got pieces to fix a dozen small projects, along with the chainplate. Luckily, with the jib down, we noticed the replacement adjuster we added a little of a year ago had cracks at the clevis pin, and avoided a second potential failing of the forestay. We were back sailing within a week and a half.

Saw Stan & Elton at the Annapolis show. Stan's doing fine, Elton;s hurting and slowing down a bit more. Stan's mind on the other hand is working overtime-tryng to increase mainsail size, shift COE on boat a bit aft to minimize lee helm, etc. He's already started with a newly designed masthead, shift the backstays aft about 8-10". Other things he's addressing as well.

We need a final sail for the season in the next few weeks, maybe the ocean again.

Jay

[Rick]

jay,

Shift the back stays back? How would that work? A crane at the mast head?

Rick

[Jay Friedland]

The 3 show boats all had them at the masthead, with the split backstays pushed back at least 8". Initially, Stan said that was to prevent the boom from getting caught in the backstays from an uncontrolled gybe. That seems an odd justification, as it seems to be an abnormal occurrence with a significant amount of engineering & possible stress.

[Rick]

When I tighten my back stay, a gybe often catches the boom. I like the
idea. But, what are 'themat the masthead'?

[Leland]

Jay,

Sorry I missed you at the show.

As for the boom catching on the backstay, it happens to me in high wind with
an uncontrolled gybe with the boom in the up position. So in high wind I
either sail with the boom down or control the gybe with the mainsheet so the
end of the boom doesn't raise up. Actually I normally tack instead of gybe.
Not sure if a backstay modification is worth it but Stan probably heard
enough complaints to engineer a change.

As for moving the Center of Effort aft to prevent lee helm, I'm not sure if
I understand the big deal with lee and weather helm. On a beam reach if you
have too much Genoa out you'll get lee helm and vice versa to get weather
helm. As you progress on a close reach you'll eventually have just the
opposite effect and get weather helm if you have too much Genoa. A bigger
impact on the helm is the amount of heel. The more you heel the more
weather helm you get. Doesn't it seem like you should balance your sails
with your point-of-sail and heel to get the desired amount of helm? If you
have a boat with "perfect" helm won't it still be affected by sail balance
and heel?

Just wondering.

Lee
1986 Rhodes22 AT EASE
Kent Island, MD

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[Jay Friedland]

The masthead casting puts the clevis pin about 8"+ further back from
the mast. What other purposes it serves will probably reveal itself
over time, but it seems there's more to come.

[R22Rum...@aol.com]

Mel,
It's been a while since I've removed the sail from the mast. I will try to
remember all the steps and post later today.

Rummy


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Rummy:

Mel
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chs...@gmail.com writes:

Greetings,

My 89 Rhodes was recycled in about 2007 or 08. The prior owner had IMF
added as well as the furling jib.

I have the manual on the furling jib but not the IMF. Any idea of the
manufacturer so I can look it up?

I do not think the sails have been removed in last 4 fours and I am
debating
removing them this winter, hence the need for the manuals.

Thoughts on removing the sails for winter are appreciated although I hope
I
can get out as late as December and as early as March......

David Craft

Greensboro, NC

Boat in Southport, NC

[Charles Nieman]

Let me see if I can do this, everyone, please feel free to
amplify or edit. I don’t think I have ever seen a step by step and I am going
by memory.

After the mast is down;

1.
Remove the pop-top car from the mast

2.
Remove the boom attachment from the furling
assembly. This should involve a couple screws, plus pulling the furling line
out of the boom and the out haul from the boom and main sail.

3.
Slide the furling tube and main out of the mast
(best to have two sets of hands as the tube gets pretty long and heavy if you
try to hold from one end)

4.
Remove the bottom bearing and the bottom donut
from the furling tube.

5.
Remove the furling line from the furling tube
(this is usually attached by inserting through a hole in the tube and a knot
tied on the inside of the tube).

6.
Remove the remaining bottom donut (the donut at
the top of the furling tube should not need to be removed).

7.
Unroll the main sail.

8.
Some main
sails are attached to the furling tube vie a groove in the furling tube and
others have a sleeve in the luff of the sail and then attached with a screw at
the head and tack. It should be pretty obvious which you have and how to remove
the sail.

9.
To install new main sail, do these steps in reverse.
A special note; don’t forget to reinstall the pop top car (in the correct
orientation) prior to raising the mast. This is easy to forget, don’t ask me
how I know. Charles98 Rhodes 22 /)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[David Craft]

Rummy,

I would love to get a set of instructions for removing the main.

Thanks,

David Craft

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[R22Rum...@aol.com]

Good instructions. I would add that it is important to count the wraps on
the outhaul and furling lines. When reinstalling, be sure to extend the sail
all the way out to make sure you have the wraps correct before raising the
mast. Adding wraps with the mast up is a real PITA.

Rummy


In a message dated 10/12/2011 4:25:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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> Rummy
>
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[Basso]

I got to the point of having the tube out of the mast, but then I got
confused as to why you would remove all the stuff at the base rather than
removing the donut at the top? My attachment is with the screws at the head
and tack. I then decided rather than mess with the stuff at the bottom to
just remove the donut at the top. I have to get the sail repaired (or
hopefully not purchase a new one) before putting humpty dumpty back
together. Am I in for any issues from removing the top donut rather than
the whole attachment at the bottom?

John B in WI.

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[Charles Nieman]

I don't think there would be an issue. I had no choice. The top donut would not come off but the bottom ones were very loose. The only other point I can think of would be to repair or replace the donuts and or bearings at the bottom (which I had to do) or to replace the furling line (it is afterall just a piece of rope and won't last forever) but if all that is in good shape; then I agree to remove from the top.

Any thoughts from the rest of the list??????

> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 09:26:48 -0700
> From: jbro...@amfam.com

[Chris Geankoplis]

Regarding the IMF:
One word of caution on the upper donut I had one of the set screws work
loose and it would jamb if the boat wasn't on exactly even keel, a real pain
in the ass. When you reset the screw, put a drop of silicone seal to keep
it from backing out. It actually is not a bad idea on all the screws in the
system. The advantage of this system is that all the parts can be
fabricated at home using a few tools and readily available materials,
especially if you do not have access to Stan.

Chris G.

[Bob and Kathy Quinn]

As Chris indicated the top doughnut can be a pain; but not an insurmountable issue with a little creative work.   I've always had better luck sliding the sail off at the bottom (Note:  that was on our '86).  I did have to replace the top doughnut at one point but Stan was nice enough to provide one. 

No issues at this point with our 2010 other than to say she is sweet!

Bob in FL on the "NoKaOi 3"

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[Ronald Lipton]

I also was wondering about the top donut. The last time I pulled the mass it was pretty severely degraded by the sun. Does anyone have the inner and outer diameters and thicknesses of the of the piece so I can make one before the next time I pull the mast?

Ron

[Rod ELLNER]

Where are you in WI? We are in Hudson. Tell me about your boat.

If I remember correctly the top plate is pop riveted to the mast.

Rod
1987/2008

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