Additional Fund Collection - Update

[anand jayanthi]

Team,

Please provide your inputs. This mail will be sent to the group and also to all owners(individually) who have paid Rs 5000.

 

Dear Owners,

 

This is to provide you an update on Additional Fund collected during the July -Sep 2013 Qtr, based on a resolution passed in AGM.

The basic reason for collecting this amount as mentioned earlier was because we started our committee with insufficient funds to clear the pending bills handed over by ex-MC and the July -Sep 2013 Maintenance Collection amount was not sufficient to manage the expenses for the quarter. 

Though this money  was expected to be paid on an emergency  basis to clear the payments for our essential services, we did not receive this fund from majority of owners on time.

As of October 2013, we have received funds from 105 owners. 

It is once again not fair if the association manages its operation using the funds from the owners who promply  pay  the maintenance dues and emergency  funds.

Therefore, we propose the following options to the owners who have paid this Additional Fund. Our decision will be based on the proposal opted by  majority of owners who have paid this fund.

 

A. Adjust the Additional Fund based on expenses in the July- Sep 2013 qtr. Include the adjusted amount in the Jan-Mar 14 maintenance bill.

B. Refund Rs 5000 to all owners who have paid Additional Fund. Refund the amount by  end of October 2013.

C. Deposit the additional fund collected as Fixed Deposit. This amount can be used by  an MC for any new proposal or initiative only  after an approval in AGM.

 

Kindly  respond by  25th Oct 2013.

 

Regards,

Outgoing MC

 

[manivannan arathi]

agree with option 1 & 2, pls delete 3 bcoz those who have not paid will opt for this option only, better to delete.

[anand jayanthi]

Mani,

 

Please see this statement. Our decision will be based on the proposal opted by  majority of owners who have paid this fund.

So we will not consider the option of members who have not paid.

 

May be you can try modifying the statement so that the amount is locked and all members pay the amount.

 

After all it is our property, it will be difficult to once again collect money for painting etc.

 

 

Regards,

Jayanthi KP

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[manivannan arathi]

I am not saying no to your proposal, i have following doubts:

 

1. What is the guarantee all will pay??

2. If not paid what is the action.??

3. what is the guarantee that new team will not misuse this fund, pls remember this does not have the same status as " sinking fund".

4. Why the association has to keep the fund idle by putting it in low return FD, as a owner i can use my money better than MC keeping it in bank FD. And chance of misuse is very high. ALWAYS MORE MONEY MORE PROBLEM.

5. If need arises let the MC call for the meeting and seek the addl fund.

[anand jayanthi]

Sorry...I did not think so much.

But I agree to your point.  My worry is...what if nobody is willing to manage the show?

okay...will remove third point.

[manivannan arathi]

ayyo, for this society  which has comedians and story/screeplay writers, need to think all sides with -ve mind only.

 

thanks for your understanding.

[anand jayanthi]

Hi,

 

This is the final mail that will be sent to the group.

 

Dear Owners,

 

This is to provide you an update on Additional Fund collected during the July -Sep 2013 Qtr, based on a resolution passed in AGM.

The basic reason for collecting this amount as mentioned earlier was because we started our committee with insufficient funds to clear the pending bills handed over by ex-MC and the July -Sep 2013 Maintenance Collection amount was not sufficient to manage the expenses for the quarter. 

Though this money  was expected to be paid on an emergency  basis to clear the payments for our essential services, we did not receive this fund from majority of owners on time.

Inspite of sending individual notifications/reminders to owners, we have received funds from only 105 owners as of October 2013. 

It is once again not fair if the association manages its operation using the funds from the owners who promply  pay  the maintenance dues and emergency  funds.

 

Therefore, we propose the following options to the owners who have paid this Additional Fund.  

A. Adjust the Additional Fund based on expenses in the July- Sep 2013 qtr. Include the adjusted amount in the Jan-Mar 14 maintenance bill.

B. Refund Rs 5000 to all owners who have paid Additional Fund. Refund the amount by  end of October 2013.

 

 

Please specify your option by responding to this email by  25th Oct 2013.

Our decision will be based on the proposal opted by  majority of owners who have paid this fund.

 

Regards,

Outgoing MC

[Subhash Gowda]

I don't agree with the strategy at all unless you want people to throw real mud at our faces. Please explain the implications of refunding Rs 5,000/- and the real strategy behind it. Thanks!

With Regards,
Subhash

[anand jayanthi]

Subhash, please read through the whole e-mail chain to understand the strategy.

People have already thrown mud, dirt, waste and a lot more at our faces. I feel that is the only implication of refunding Rs 5000.

 

Now, please answer to the point. Why do you feel that we should not refund Rs 5000?

 

From: Subhash Gowda <rsu...@gmail.com>
To: anand jayanthi <jayanth...@yahoo.com>
Cc: manivannan arathi <mshre...@yahoo.com>; Rosegarden Group 2013-14 <rgmc-2...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 22 October 2013, 23:20
Subject: Re: [rgmc-2013-14:1361] Re: Additional Fund Collection - Update

I don&apos;t agree with the strategy at all unless you want people to throw real mud at our faces. Please explain the implications of refunding Rs 5,000/- and the real strategy behind it. Thanks!

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Subhash

[Subhash Gowda]

Even though you don't want to answer to my question in a straight forward manner, I would still like to explain why we should not do that...

We have collected Rs 5,000/- as emergency fund not to refund fully at some point but to cover the deficits. The balance for e.g. Rs 2,000/- or some amount will be adjusted in the Jan - Mar 2014 quarter. If someone has not paid, then it should go as arrears in their quarterly. Where is the question of refunding full amount?

If you return full amount, then you will need to be able to meet basic needs of the apartment. Is this what you are expecting to happen? If so, then please state accordingly in your mail to owners.

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[anand jayanthi]

Subhash,

 

I would have answered to your question ina striaght forward manner, if you had asked the question in a similar way.

Emails are circulated among MC members to get their opionions, suggestions and guidance.

So please avoid using sarcastic language and tone when you respond to such emails.

 

 

From your response, I understand that you would prefer to adjust the amount rather than refunding.

I have still not received response from other team members. I will either modify the content or take the decision on Additional Fund Refund or Adjustment based the opinion of majority of team  members.

 

Thanks,

Jayanthi KP

 

 

From: Subhash Gowda <rsu...@gmail.com>
To: anand jayanthi <jayanth...@yahoo.com>
Cc: manivannan arathi <mshre...@yahoo.com>; Rosegarden Group 2013-14 <rgmc-2...@googlegroups.com>

Sent: Tuesday, 22 October 2013, 23:47
Subject: Re: [rgmc-2013-14:1364] Re: Additional Fund Collection - Update

Even though you don&apos;t want to answer to my question in a straight forward manner, I would still like to explain why we should not do that...

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[Manivannan]

As i understand this is only a proposal there is no need to provide any rationale. 

secondly there is also no need to provide a rationale for this proposal separately it is already inbuilt in the proposal it is upto the persons who reads it, if i want to wrongly read then there is no rationale, that is it.

It is also not based only one person or only MC view in this matter, further in this matter decision will be based on the members views. so let us not jump the gun. Current admitted position basis my talking to few owners they prefer refund as they feel some are enjoying at the cost of others. For this i do not think any one will have straight forward answer, except we can say they are defaulters which is not a acceptable reply, rather that is an excuse.

It is well thought proposal needs only views from us, but this needs to be put before the members for their views ( collective views becomes the decision) for them choose within a stipulated time.

regards

Mani
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[Subhash Gowda]

It looks like there has been a lot of deliberations outside of this mail thread. This mail thread only talks about execution of the strategy. You can go ahead and post as you have embarked on your strategy. I am only here as a MC member for name sake. So, I will reply as an owner about my views going forward since there is no point in any discussions here.

Note: I am going to unsubscribe from this email group as it does not make any sense to me any more.

Thanks all for time and space that you provided here.

Regards,
Subhash

[Stuti Jain]

Dear Subhash and Team,

I can see all of the above emails marked to our google groups.... also even there have been deliberations email has not yet been sent... let us share our thoughts like sane people and come to a common conclusion post which the email will be sent.... so whats the need to unsubscribe.... 

Please lets not get into a fight unnecessarily among us... let us be friends as we are anyways no longer MC members... so then why fight.... remeber we are rose garden buddies :-)

common team... share your thoughts ASAP.

My thoughts:

I personally do not think we should refund Rs 5000..... We should provide an excel sheet or explanation on the utilization of the collected amount. people who have not paid, it will show as arrears in their maintenance receipts and we can suggest what can be done with the balance amount yet to be received.....

see we r refunding already excess of maintenance amount collected and taking as per 1.2..... also we will refund Rs 5000.... there will not be the right amount of cash balance for any committee to run..... 

Regards,

Stuti

Stuti Jain
Sr. Manager Branding
BGS Global Hospitals
Kengeri, Bangalore
Mob: 9886087659

www.globalhospitalsindia.com

[manivannan arathi]

Attitude of my view is not accepted than it is bad , than what kind of an approach is it _____. And blindly putting blame there is pre-concluded discussion looks very cheap thinking and attitude. And of all giving threat that i will put my views in the group mail, that is another cheap threat. 

[Stuti Jain]

but if we refund then what if the new mc has to collect again... people will take it as a joke....

stuti

On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:52 AM, manivannan arathi <mshre...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Correct Stuti

 

But the proposal has given the options of adjustment as well as refund. If you see my reply below raising 5 doubts (yesterday 15.31 P M) we need to give all prudent options and it is the view of all members, which will get translated into a decision. Please understand defaulters should not enjoy at the cost of others, NO SUBSIDY, NO WHIMS AND FANCIES (Royston mail).

 

Stuti Jain
Sr. Manager Branding
BGS Global Hospitals
Kengeri, Bangalore
Mob: 9886087659

www.globalhospitalsindia.com

[Stuti Jain]

Then I think we can go ahead with email with option 1 & 2.... but i know we are not going to get any response and solution even if we write an email... nobody wants to take onus or reply to emails or take responsibility.... 

Jayanthi please share the final email once by composing a new email.. lets share among us one last time before we send to owners.

Thx and regards,

Stuti

On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 11:01 AM, manivannan arathi <mshre...@yahoo.com> wrote:

the very same people has created the current ongoing joke, no emotions while taking decisions..

From: Stuti Jain <jain....@gmail.com>

To: manivannan arathi <mshre...@yahoo.com>; Subhash Gowda <rsu...@gmail.com>

Cc: Rosegarden MC Group 2013-14 <rgmc-2...@googlegroups.com>; MC members <jayanth...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:23 AM

[anand jayanthi]

Dear all,

 

If we conclude that the owners who have paid this amount should take the decision, then this email with the below options will be sent.

If we conclude that we will go ahead and adjust with the expenses as we have stated earlier, then this email will not be sent. Instead, owners will be informed with the adjusted amount and the balance will be refunded to the owners before we settle the accounts to the new MC.

 

Note: we initially stated that the amount will be adjsted in Jan-Mar 2014, with an assumption that we will be the Managing Committee. Now, that the committee is dissolved we need to close this as part of handover process.

 

Regards,

Jayanthi KP

 

From: manivannan arathi <mshre...@yahoo.com>
To: Stuti Jain <jain....@gmail.com>
Cc: Rosegarden MC Group 2013-14 <rgmc-2...@googlegroups.com>; MC members <jayanth...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 23 October 2013, 11:01
Subject: Re: [rgmc-2013-14:1367] Re: Additional Fund Collection - Update

the very same people has created the current ongoing joke, no emotions while taking decisions..

From: Stuti Jain <jain....@gmail.com>
To: manivannan arathi <mshre...@yahoo.com>; Subhash Gowda <rsu...@gmail.com>

[Stuti Jain]

Party to what... atleast explain which emails have been circulated without yours and my knowledge... and what am i party to.... i am unable to understand the problem..... see u moving out from the google groups is a different issue... as i have said earlier i cannot stop u from doing that... all i am asking is what is the problem... as i am unable to understand that....

Team: i think we should meet before we send any emails on Rs 5000.... let us hold on till new mc is formed...or atleast till the deadline we have given for new MC to be formed... there is no hurry regarding 5000 clarification right now.

Stuti

regards,

stuti

On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Subhash Gowda <rsu...@gmail.com> wrote:

Stuti,

I don't think there is any option other than to agree if you want to be a party. Hence, I have decided to unsubscribe so that I can concentrate on my Job. Fyi, I will be the last person to have resentment with anyone not only here but anywhere i.e. even outside of RGA.

I am a tiny speck in this Universe not even visible as a dust when some wants to see my greatness from 10,000 ft above the ground. Imagining the vastness of this Universe and space it provides, it makes me humble enough to be grounded and control my ego.

So, I would like always and pray God to be a friend to every one and do good in whatever way that I can.

Thanks & Regards,

Subhash

[anand jayanthi]

Stui,

 

We cannot wait to take a decision on this until the new MC is formed. Kindly understand that our signatories are valid only upto 6th Nov 2013.

Hence it is our responsibility to close the accounts before that.

Whether refunding all owners Rs 5000 or refunding only the adjusted amount to all owners involves lot of effort from my side as I need to process the transactions.

So please let me know the decsion.

 

Regards,

Jayanthi KP

 

 

 

From: Stuti Jain <jain....@gmail.com>
To: Subhash Gowda <rsu...@gmail.com>
Cc: manivannan arathi <mshre...@yahoo.com>; Rosegarden MC Group 2013-14 <rgmc-2...@googlegroups.com>; MC members <jayanth...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 23 October 2013, 11:56
Subject: Re: [rgmc-2013-14:1374] Re: Additional Fund Collection - Update

Party to what... atleast explain which emails have been circulated without yours and my knowledge... and what am i party to.... i am unable to understand the problem..... see u moving out from the google groups is a different issue... as i have said earlier i cannot stop u from doing that... all i am asking is what is the problem... as i am unable to understand that....

Team: i think we should meet before we send any emails on Rs 5000.... let us hold on till new mc is formed...or atleast till the deadline we have given for new MC to be formed... there is no hurry regarding 5000 clarification right now.

Stuti

regards,

stuti

On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Subhash Gowda <rsu...@gmail.com> wrote:

Stuti,

I don&apos;t think there is any option other than to agree if you want to be a party. Hence, I have decided to unsubscribe so that I can concentrate on my Job. Fyi, I will be the last person to have resentment with anyone not only here but anywhere i.e. even outside of RGA.

[manivannan arathi]

whether it is joke or otherwise let the members decide, why we are getting into decision making mode.

 

Are you going to do the adjustment or are you going to do the refund, both the activity will be by the new team. Why we are pushing our decision to the members or new team, do we have the locus to take such a stand.

 

Please think thru and respond.

 

From: Stuti Jain <jain....@gmail.com>
To: manivannan arathi <mshre...@yahoo.com>; Subhash Gowda <rsu...@gmail.com>

[manivannan arathi]

Correct Stuti

 

But the proposal has given the options of adjustment as well as refund. If you see my reply below raising 5 doubts (yesterday 15.31 P M) we need to give all prudent options and it is the view of all members, which will get translated into a decision. Please understand defaulters should not enjoy at the cost of others, NO SUBSIDY, NO WHIMS AND FANCIES (Royston mail).

 

From: Stuti Jain <jain....@gmail.com>
To: Subhash Gowda <rsu...@gmail.com>
Cc: manivannan arathi <mshre...@yahoo.com>; Rosegarden MC Group 2013-14 <rgmc-2...@googlegroups.com>; MC members <jayanth...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:09 AM

[manivannan arathi]

the very same people has created the current ongoing joke, no emotions while taking decisions..

From: Stuti Jain <jain....@gmail.com>
To: manivannan arathi <mshre...@yahoo.com>; Subhash Gowda <rsu...@gmail.com>

[Subhash Gowda]

Stuti,

The problem is very simple. I foresee a chaotic situation doing that based on my thinking and analysis. With regards to your 1st paragraph question, I should have written as follows

"I don't think there is any option other than to agree unless I am party to it (i.e. strategy) because of me being a minority."

The reason for the above statement is because I am against dissolving the current MC when we are doing good but still have to resign because majority wants to resign. Also, I want to agree on some modifications on few resolutions which makes sense to me but cannot do because my voice is not having majority. Hope you got it and hence I have felt that it is simply wasting everyone's time and hence unsubscribed.

Hope and believe to have provided my side of opinion, suggestion and argument. There is nothing else from my side at this point. So, please treat my vote as "NO" for refunding Rs 5,000/-. I will vote "YES" only if the intended purpose of collection of additional fund is preserved.

So, you can meet, deliberate and vote accordingly. Please don't expect me as I don't have any other opinion or suggestion at this point of time.

Thanks,

Subhash

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With Regards,
Subhash

[manivannan arathi]

No Jayanthi, it is onwers who has to take the decision on the proposal, but again with a target date, bcoz the prompt payers are already penalised for paying it promptly. Again the views of the defaulters needs to be excluded and we cannot wait endlessly for views.

 

As stated by you, adjustment was planned in Jan - Mar qtr but the same is subject to all paying, which is inconclusive. Secondly the defaulters are already enjoying at the cost of others, how long??  One argument, Defaulters will be happy to say there is lot of confusion created why to pay now! 

 

Considering the proposal and time, it is advisable to post in the group for views with a target date. Now what needs to be added if no views or only some views, what will be our decision that has to come out in the proposal.

 

regards

 

Mani

[Subhash Gowda]

Stuti,

I don't think there is any option other than to agree if you want to be a party. Hence, I have decided to unsubscribe so that I can concentrate on my Job. Fyi, I will be the last person to have resentment with anyone not only here but anywhere i.e. even outside of RGA.

I am a tiny speck in this Universe not even visible as a dust when some wants to see my greatness from 10,000 ft above the ground. Imagining the vastness of this Universe and space it provides, it makes me humble enough to be grounded and control my ego.

So, I would like always and pray God to be a friend to every one and do good in whatever way that I can.

Thanks & Regards,

Subhash

On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Stuti Jain <jain....@gmail.com> wrote:

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With Regards,
Subhash

[SUBHRAJIT GUPTA]

As far as I am concerned , i am not  happy with a scenario wherewe end up paying 5000 + maintenace charges @2, while other residents dont pay.

I am all for refunding the 5000.....

Stuti - will call u

 

Regards

[Manivannan]

i am with you subros. 

Rahul/stuti :strongly suggest to discontinue this MC group our discussions are getting leaked to ex-mc guys, let us be careful.

regards

Mani

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[Subhash Gowda]

Even I got the same feeling few weeks back but anyway it is too late to recognize. 

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With Regards,
Subhash