class rules

[Mark Dicks]

Hi, Dear RG65 Skipper!

IRSA's effort to impose their conceptions on the  RG65-Class go ahead.
In this regard I want to recall that:

1. We are just reacting to facts that will affect our activities as an
established International Class. 

2. RG65-ICA ***never*** approached NOR requested IRSA to go into this
matter nor asked them for any opinion about the goals and procedures
of RG65-ICA.

3. IRSA took that initive without any consultation or information to
RG65-ICA. 

4. We (RG65-ICA) knew about this going on due to rumors collected by a
few RG65 Sailors. You can read the related complete mail exchange at
"RG65+IRSA": 
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/l15mzq4vf08fomh/AACqs0Ea2X5PI7FSt0N2LmA4a?dl=0

5. Investigating I found Patricio Montero "having some ideas about was
going on", and compromised him to get Gerhard Mentges introducing
himself to me. 

6. From Gerd Mentges we got a copy of the draft being worked at IRSA,
with comments from GM, and afterwards re-commented by myself. This
Draft was attached to mail sent to you on April 17, 2016.

7. Now they produce sort of reply, this time with comments by Graham
Bantock, and an additional comment by him on May 25, 2016, stating
literally:

  "IRSA would not want to use the RG65 name and logo if the class
   objected - some alternative name e.g. International 665 Class would
   be used instead. On the other hand, if the RG65 class is happy then
   the IRSA class could be the International RG65 Class"

I remark that "if the class objected - some alternative name e.g.
International 665 Class would be used instead".

This implies that if we do not agree to their intentions they just
would go ahead without consideration to our feelings.

And I also remind some of the situations lived in the past:
On Februay 07, 2016, GM got the following words mailed by me:

  "We had more then one sour afair with ISAF.
   E.g.: in the 90's we intended to affiliate the Class to ISAF, but
   it worked out that the yearly dues resulted practically unpayable.
   Our boats where considered as "Yachts", and they claimed us to pay
   accordingly ...

   And not long ago, while we where organizing our first World
   Championship, we got a menacing (SIC) letter from an ISAF lawyer
   stating that "World Championships can ONLY be organized by and
   through ISAF".

Situation like theese produce unfavourable feelings ...


8. All this still without having received an answer to two very basic
questions to GM asked on Sun, 7 Feb 2016 (original in german):

   "Fact is: which are the benefits of such a recognition?
    What are the restrictions?
    How much must be payed for it?
    You know: At the end everything goes through the checkout ...
    :-)
   "

9. This being the present status in this matter, it URGES to define
if we would like to be REGULATED by ISAF/IRSA or if we rather prefer
to stay independent as until now, following our own uses, procedures
and Rules.

Our Rules you all know, the Rules proposed by IRSA were sent time ago
to you.

YOUR VOTE (and optional opinion) IS ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED.

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Vote Options:

[1] Accept WS/IRSA tutelage by becoming an IRSA International Class.
    IRSA has not explained or proposed to us what powers they would
    exercise. It is possible that they will assert full power to define our
    Rules and procedures, and that only IRSA affiliates will be able to
    participate in non local events.

[2] Reject IRSA's pretention and stay to our own Rules (with due
    updating when due), continue with our own Activities Schedule, and
    act according to our established uses and procedures.

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Please have a discussion with your Skippers, take decission, and
VOTE!

DEADLINE:   June 26, 2016  <------------- DEADLINE!

Your vote will NOT be disclosed, but hopefully will enable to take a
consensual decission. You will get a communication BEFORE we formally
approach IRSA.


Vote to be mailed to:

Fredo Vollmer

RG65-ICA
RG65-Spain                         
mailto:fredo....@gmail.com
Móvil y SMS:  +34 660 28 7194
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ALL ORIGINAL MAILINGS of this thread can be downloaded from:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/l15mzq4vf08fomh/AACqs0Ea2X5PI7FSt0N2LmA4a?dl=0

[RG65 UK NCA]

Please go to this thread for more information and ballot details https://sites.google.com/site/rg65uk/forum?place=msg%2Frg-65-uk%2FXdlYKSzdTDQ%2FuV0UNHy5AQAJ