Re: Like Jeremiah

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Sisters,

Forgive me for jumping into your discussion here.  But as moderator of the Google group I see your messages as they are posted.

There is much grievous sin in the world.  From abortion to homosexuality.  The church and consequently the nation is running headlong into darkness.  And that against the backdrop of the darkness of the whole planet.  But this was prophesied by Jesus and his apostles.  In the end times sin, lawlessness, and wickedness will increase.

But we have been given a message.  That message has a commission.  We are called to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to a lost world.  The gospel is the power of salvation for all who believe.  To the Jew first, then to the non Jew.  The gospel message was summarized by Paul when he reminded the Eph. elders what he taught.  That men should repent and turn to God and have faith in our Lord Jesus.

The issues of sin stem from an evil heart that is given over to wickedness.  The answer to the wicked heart is the gospel if Jesus Christ.

I commend you to Lisa Miller's testimony as recounted by Ken Miller's letter to Judge Sessions.  This letter can be found on millercase.org. This is the testimony of how God delivered a lesbian from the darkness of that lifestyle to the glorious light of Christ.  This is the story of a transforming life encounter with Jesus Christ.

So if God can convert a lesbian.  He can certainly convert the vilest of sinners.  For he surely converted me.  The gospel has to be the answer to a wicked world.  Jesus Christ must be the answer.

In Jesus,

Blaine






 

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From: "Betty" <bbaker...@gmail.com>
To: <revival...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Like Jeremiah
Date: Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:40 AM

Dear Sister, it is hard to make sense of what you are saying here. No offense intended. I just find it hard to grasp what you are really getting at.

I do see despair. If is as if grasping our responsibility for the children, would overwhelm you. So, you cannot accept it. You argue, but your arguments are not firm or clear. You appear to want to overlook the issue, insisting on mercy, but not seeking the forgiveness that brings mercy. Truly, we cannot continue in sin and expect mercy for our stubbornness. It is repentance that brings relief and peace.

You talk about abortion being too big an issue; therefore, not your responsibility. Yet, no problem is too big for God. 

You speak like we should not fear God, but the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. 

You discount Jeremiah, but hold onto the Scriptures relating to mercy. Yet, we are behaving just like the elect of Jeremiah's day. They did not see mercy. We do see some mercy, by God's grace, but judgment also. If we do not repent, even what mercy we have will end.

You ask, "Is God's hand of judgment at the door of those who love and obey Him? If obedient, no. The problem is that most do not realize they harbor disobedience. Ignoring what concerns God is disobedience.

You asked, "How can we tell we have gone too far?" Is it not pure foolishness to test our boundaries? Is that not a disregard of His sacrifice in itself?

You asked, "What is the unforgivable sin?" Resisting His call. If we do not respond to the call to be saved, we are eternally lost. Again, that salvation is proven out in our lives.

You talk a lot about fear. Fear is meant to motivate us first to repent and, then, to obey. Yes, we love Him, but fear is -- generally -- what motivates us to the action of obedience.

You seem to want to lay the responsibility totally at the feet of the called in that area. Yet, prolife witnesses are not regarded as legitimate missionaries by most. Which is one of the reasons leading prolife groups expend more energy establishing credit and fighting for control; rather than, actually working to save the children. Unlike other missionaries, they rarely experience even prayer support from "true believers", let alone financial. Further, I AM a called prolife witness. What I have shared with you is what the Lord showed me when He called me. He is the One who told me to share what He showed me. Yet, you still discount it. Again, how are we to hear and be convicted if we reject the message?

You are right. I can wipe the dust off my feet and move on. In many cases I have already done just that.

On Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:53:56 AM UTC-5, Awaken wrote:

Hi

 

True but the word is not just about Jeremiah.  There is Gods judgement and also his mercy a balance.  I am sure many Christians are not ignorant to the fact that if they disobey God they will suffer but also yes some have taken on a false message of ease... but at the end of the day its about trusting in God not self..  They went away from God because they did not trust him .. they didn't not have patience.. they did not believe.  So when we believe we will do what Jesus did.. help others stand for Gods truth is this day.. Many are.. not all.  Only a few will be saved..

Many Christians I know have lack.. they don't want wealth.. they want God..  some as we know do have a bless me mentality but not all.   Is Gods hand of judgement at the door of those who love him and obey him?  Am I to do things for God through fear or because I love him?   While we were yet sinners God sent his son.   The world is a mess and evil but one person cannot take on the whole world. We have to do that which God has called us to do wherever we are.  Go forth and help others even in secret, even small things that mean a lot.. cook a meal for someone.. spend time.. bring Good news about Jesus.. breathe life.. Gods judgement is already on the Nations.. that is true..  We must all bring a word that God has given us to bring.. which maybe a warning or encouragement..  but in all things God is love and it is to bring all back to God.  If they do not listen just wipe the dust off your feet.    Punishment comes when we do not listen.. God gives many warnings before he brings judgement.. he always sends a word before.. but with that word of pending doom.. there is a word of hope and life.   I thought the Lord was a hard taskmaster for some time.. but he bought  a word to me.. from the bible.. saying he is not a hard taskmaster.. I was seeing him as such  so how could I ever see his goodness towards me.  I got to the stage of listening to such speakers of doom and judgement.. got into trying to be good.. looking at sin.. grieving over it.. seeing it was hopeless and that I may aswell give up. I was so weak.  But the Lord shone his light into my life and showed me how wrong I was.. the devil wanted me to feel that way.. hopeless.  I mean at what stage does God give up on us?   How can we tell when we have gone too far?   What is the unforgiveable sin?   I am not God and I cannot right the wrongs of this world only God can do that. I can play my small part allotted to me... some have a bigger calling than others.. or a harder walk.  Nowhere in the word do I see a God that gives no hope.. he calls us out of hopelessness.. he saves us from his judgement.. if we see him as he is...  Does it all depend on me and my performance as to his love towards me?   If I love him I will obey his call.   When Jesus came what did he preach?    and what did he do?   The word says that we will be known by the Love we have. Gods love shed abroad in our heart... he said go preach the good news.. feed the poor, heal the sick...  and snatch some out of the fire.. etc...  He calls some as prophets to warn.. some to teach.. etc.. we are all part of the body... but to have just judgement with no hope.. is just a message of death.   I used to bring a word of doom myself... it hardened me.. I was judgemental... and I thank God I fell because of it.. who do I think I am...  By truth and mercy iniquity is purged and by the fear of the Lord men depart from evil... But what is that fear?  Is it a cringing fear or something else?        God could have wiped us off the earth and still could but he doesn't.. because while we were yet sinners he sent his son.. because he loves us...   He died for us and we must die to self and let Christ dwell in us.. in him we live and breathe and have our being.   Praise God!    The message to the Nations must be repent and be saved.. that Gods hand is already judging the Nations.. not all will listen..  but as his sons and daughters we must be living epistles of the word.. having his love shed abroad in our hearts.. and the joy of Lord..  The word says.. that those who know God will do mighty exploits.. the world will be fearful but they will see the peace we have through the storms... that's good news.   I must see the whole picture of Gods plan not just a small part.. the hands feet eyes etc.. all have a part to play.   I have not arrived I am a work still in progress.     God Bless

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From: Betty
Sent: 17 March 2013 10:55
To: revival...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Like Jeremiah

 

When the Lord called me, He told me to read Jeremiah. He said I would be like him. So, I read it and still do read it from time to time. It wasn’t a book I had read before. So, I knew little about it when this began.

Jeremiah was called to speak to a people who would not listen. They considered themselves God’s chosen people and did not believe God would come against them. So, Jeremiah’s warnings fell on deaf ears until it was too late. They would not allow his correct message to penetrate their perceived standing before God.

God was very angry with them, but they could not see it. He caused them to be under siege until they became cannibals, starving to death within the city walls. Then He allowed them to be overcome. Many died horrible deaths. Those that lived were taken into captivity. Most were forced to a foreign land.

Here’s the thing. The Israelites of Jeremiah’s day worshiped other Gods, sacrificed their children to Molech, and perverted God’s word to suit them. The church was openly involved with all these issues, with the church leaders assuring the flock that God was not going to punish them for these infractions. Again, they believed this because they considered themselves God’s chosen people.

We love our wealth so much that we have put it ahead of God in our concerns. We vote our wallet. Moral issues are trampled on the path of prosperity. Abortion has taken our children. And we pervert the Scriptures by denying its intent.

The overall purpose of Scripture is to draw us back to God. It is meant to convict us of our sin, open our eyes to His will, and turn our hearts to Him. When we deny what it tells us, we pervert it. The Scriptures are very clear on the shedding of innocent blood. Even if we do not personally take life, we are considered guilty if we do not take action. We have looked away while the children were killed under our very noses. Therefore, we are guilty. Whether we feel guilty or not is irrelevant. We are because He says we are.

God does not change. He punished His chosen people, ancient Israel, even though they did not recognize their sins as sin. Do not be deceived. He will punish us, too. Even now the back of His hand is at our door. Therefore, let us not stand on perception, but entreat Him to open our eyes and hearts that we might see and repent.

I pray His mercy cause this word to produce fruit to His glory.

In Him,

Betty

 

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[Betty]

Dear Brother Blaine,

I have no problem with you or anyone else joining this discussion. Certainly, some of it has been carried on off the site -- just between to two of us, but the general topic deals with the body of Christ. So, it is not as personal as it sounds and I will respond to you, if you please.

We may be in the end times, but our obligation is not negated by our position on the timeline. Some are so caught up in the end time teaching that they have ceased to function and are just waiting for Him to appear. Others are so convinced that evil should abound that they are not standing against it. Yet, if our obligation is to Him, we will continue to be obligated until He returns or we are taken home to be with Him. So, we should be laboring focused on Him; rather than the times.

You seem to be saying that sharing the gospel is our only duty. If that is true, why do we seek revival? Do not the members of this group already consider themselves saved?

You know as well as I that revival comes from drawing nearer to God or returning to a nearness to God. Much of the time our distance from God is due to unrecognized or unrepentant sin. Sometimes what wakes us to the presence of such sin is a word from God.

I have been hearing quite clearly from God regarding the body of Christ since he called me to witness in 2001. It is a word rejected by the body, at large, because they do not consider it applicable. God has assured and continues to reassure me that it is. When I grow silent, He makes it quite clear that He is displeased with me. When I speak, the body finds the word offensive.

I tell you the truth even some who have accepted the word given to me have argued that the gospel took precedence. They said one must be saved to understand such. That the church was far more important that any effort to save the children. I argued that one had to first be alive to be saved and that pews are not filled by dead bodies -- physically dead, that is. We see here that the word is not even acceptable among the saved. So, the children are left to depend on whom? No one, it appears, should take up their case.

Today's argument seems to be that salvation, sanctification, and justification relieve one of one's duty regarding what God is concerned with. I argue that the truly saved have regard for what God is concerned with. There are a great many scriptures that deal with His concern for the shedding of innocent blood, but the body seems to have little regard.

The discussion is viable and pertinent, because if we are guilty -- as I've been assured -- then we will not see revival until we repent. Personally, I find it quite disturbing that even with such evidence of the Spirit in the call on my life, that the body is still arguing their innocence. I don't know whether to think they don't recognize the evidence for what it is, choose to ignore it because of the issue itself or discount it because of some failing of my own. To me it is a giant, flashing neon sign and I shudder to think what God will say to those who ignore it.

Any perceived animosity here is unintended. I believe these discussions are as necessary to the revival effort as the calls themselves, if not more. For how can we correct our path if we do not even realize that we have gone astray.

In Him,

Betty

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Then Betty let me ask you.  What are you doing to take up the cause if the unborn?  What are you doing to save the children?  

I assume you are praying.  But are you working in a Christian crisis pregnancy center counseling women to not get an abortion?  Are you encouraging women to put their children up fir adoption?  Are you speaking to there women about their need for Jesus?

Aside from our passion for Jesus we are given concerns and burdens.  Mine is the persecuted church.  I moderate a prayer call 3,nights a week where we pray for the persecuted and their persecutors. We are the only con call that does this in the nation.  And that by God's grace.

I am simply saying sister if you  have a burden from the Lord.  Then seek him in how to walk it out.  And I do believe that preaching the gospel is a calling all of us have.  And that is occupying til he returns.

Must run dear sister.  Blessings be on you.

Blaine




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[Dawn Eden]

Hi Betty

 

I am afraid yes you are assuming my thoughts and are incorrect in your assumptions and also in your saying abortion not being my responsibility, I actually took a counselling course at a church next to marie stopes clinic in London where women could come for advise on pro life and also met the brother who represents pro life in the Government lobbies.  But that's okay I don't mind.  I believe in balance.  I was trying to point out that God is also merciful.  The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom indeed.  Not I but Christ should always be seen, my own works are as filthy rags.  The best place to be is at Jesus feet first and from the outworking of that time with him we are to go forth in his power in love, we are to do all things in love and sometimes truth does touch a raw part but it is to bring reconciliation to God and repentance.  We are to go out in genuine love for others not just to prove a point  or treat others as a project to earn Gods favour its not about us at all its about Jesus. Not I but Christ in me.  So sorry Betty but you have taken me totally in the wrong light. Of course everyone should repentant and be sorry for sin and turn around but as Paul said when he said he did things he didn't want to do.. wretched man that I am.. but thank God for Jesus.     My works will not save me knowing God and trusting in the finished work of Christ and him finishing the work he began in me will because as I spend time to get to know him he will lead me into his plan for my life.  Not what I think it is which I have done many times.   Peace and the Love of God to you dear sister.  And sorry to Blaine if my words have come across in a wrong way and not in love.  I was trying to encourage, to look up and to know Gods love even when we fail he comes to the lost sheep and brings the one home.   God bless.