iPhone NDA Problems
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Jeff
Jul 16, 2008, 10:33:17 PM7/16/08
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For the second month in a row we're planning to cover an iPhone
development topic. We cancelled last month's meeting since Apple's NDA
was not lifted as we had expected following WWDC. We then thought for
sure that it would be lifted after the 3G iPhone was released. It
appears that it has not so I'm looking for some opinions on what we
should do.
We could request that all people coming to the meeting at least agree
to the iPhone SDK license before coming or we could change the topic
entirely. Would anyone be willing to put forth a new topic and
presentation? Alternatively, we could skip a formal presentation and
just meet to talk and perhaps share code samples and get help from one
another on whatever we're working on.
What do you all think?
development topic. We cancelled last month's meeting since Apple's NDA
was not lifted as we had expected following WWDC. We then thought for
sure that it would be lifted after the 3G iPhone was released. It
appears that it has not so I'm looking for some opinions on what we
should do.
We could request that all people coming to the meeting at least agree
to the iPhone SDK license before coming or we could change the topic
entirely. Would anyone be willing to put forth a new topic and
presentation? Alternatively, we could skip a formal presentation and
just meet to talk and perhaps share code samples and get help from one
another on whatever we're working on.
What do you all think?
Sean Mountcastle
Jul 17, 2008, 9:39:27 AM7/17/08
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Jeff,
According to this thread (http://www.cocoabuilder.com/archive/message/
xcode/2008/7/2/22840) it looks like the iPhone NDA expired on July
11th. I'm trying to confirm this, but the poster (Chris Espinosa)
works for Apple.
Sean
According to this thread (http://www.cocoabuilder.com/archive/message/
xcode/2008/7/2/22840) it looks like the iPhone NDA expired on July
11th. I'm trying to confirm this, but the poster (Chris Espinosa)
works for Apple.
Sean
Bryan Hughes
Jul 17, 2008, 3:05:18 PM7/17/08
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Is this Apple's version of Fight Club?
"The first rule of iPhone SDK is, you do not talk about iPhone SDK."
Jokes aside, make it known that anyone attending an iPhone session
must have downloaded the SDK and agreed to the NDA. That should cover
all of the legal bases.
For what it's worth, I sent a quick note to Aaron Hillegass as well.
Considering Big Nerd Ranch has iPhone Developer classes scheduled for
September, I'm sure Aaron & co. would know what's going on with the
NDA.
"The first rule of iPhone SDK is, you do not talk about iPhone SDK."
Jokes aside, make it known that anyone attending an iPhone session
must have downloaded the SDK and agreed to the NDA. That should cover
all of the legal bases.
For what it's worth, I sent a quick note to Aaron Hillegass as well.
Considering Big Nerd Ranch has iPhone Developer classes scheduled for
September, I'm sure Aaron & co. would know what's going on with the
NDA.
Sean Mountcastle
Jul 17, 2008, 4:44:34 PM7/17/08
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Actually, that thread might be wrong as this blog posting states that
the Pragmatic Programmers were notified that the NDA has _not_ been
lifted: http://www.subfurther.com/blog/?p=193
So confusing.
I've sent an email to Apple Developer Relations in the hopes that they
can clear it up.
Sean
the Pragmatic Programmers were notified that the NDA has _not_ been
lifted: http://www.subfurther.com/blog/?p=193
So confusing.
I've sent an email to Apple Developer Relations in the hopes that they
can clear it up.
Sean
Patrick Reagan
Jul 18, 2008, 1:43:32 PM7/18/08
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And Dave's "call for help" as it were:
http://pragdave.blogs.pragprog.com/pragdave/2008/07/if-you-work-for.html
--
Patrick Reagan
<reag...@gmail.com>
Jeff
Jul 23, 2008, 8:26:27 PM7/23/08
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What do you guys think about doing an iPhone development overview
focusing on the end to end process of downloading the SDK to
submitting it to Apple. I could walk through the whole iTunes
Development Portal and the iTunes Connect interface talking about all
the non-development hoops you need to jump through to get something on
the App Store. Do you guys think skipping the coding examples and SDK
demos and sticking to the more procedural aspects would still violate
the NDA?
> <reaga...@gmail.com>
focusing on the end to end process of downloading the SDK to
submitting it to Apple. I could walk through the whole iTunes
Development Portal and the iTunes Connect interface talking about all
the non-development hoops you need to jump through to get something on
the App Store. Do you guys think skipping the coding examples and SDK
demos and sticking to the more procedural aspects would still violate
the NDA?
Bryan Hughes
Jul 24, 2008, 10:30:59 AM7/24/08
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Bryan Hughes
Aug 6, 2008, 5:12:28 PM8/6/08
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Just a heads up...it looks like websites are starting to challenge
Apple's enforcement of the NDA:
http://theappleblog.com/2008/08/04/tutorial-build-a-simple-rss-reader-for-iphone
http://furbo.org/2008/08/06/beta-testing-on-iphone-20/
Apple's enforcement of the NDA:
http://theappleblog.com/2008/08/04/tutorial-build-a-simple-rss-reader-for-iphone
http://furbo.org/2008/08/06/beta-testing-on-iphone-20/
Sean Mountcastle
Aug 12, 2008, 12:55:30 PM8/12/08
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Jeff,
> What do you guys think about doing an iPhone development overview
> focusing on the end to end process of downloading the SDK to
> submitting it to Apple. I could walk through the whole iTunes
> Development Portal and the iTunes Connect interface talking about all
> the non-development hoops you need to jump through to get something on
> the App Store. Do you guys think skipping the coding examples and SDK
> demos and sticking to the more procedural aspects would still violate
> the NDA?
It looks like the talks have been changed to avoid the iPhone NDA. At
a future meeting, if we can verify each attendee has agreed to the NDA
(by having them log into the iPhone Dev Center), do you think we'll be
able to discuss iPhone development?
Thanks,
Sean
> What do you guys think about doing an iPhone development overview
> focusing on the end to end process of downloading the SDK to
> submitting it to Apple. I could walk through the whole iTunes
> Development Portal and the iTunes Connect interface talking about all
> the non-development hoops you need to jump through to get something on
> the App Store. Do you guys think skipping the coding examples and SDK
> demos and sticking to the more procedural aspects would still violate
> the NDA?
a future meeting, if we can verify each attendee has agreed to the NDA
(by having them log into the iPhone Dev Center), do you think we'll be
able to discuss iPhone development?
Thanks,
Sean
Jeff
Aug 13, 2008, 6:32:14 AM8/13/08
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That's a great question. I'd have to reread the NDA. The agreement is
between you and Apple. I don't know that it would include sharing info
among two or more people that have also agreed to the NDA.
between you and Apple. I don't know that it would include sharing info
among two or more people that have also agreed to the NDA.
Jeff
Oct 3, 2008, 9:00:42 PM10/3/08
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I assume by now that you've all heard about the demise of the iPhone
NDA (it's about time). If not, check out http://developer.apple.com/iphone/program/
NDA (it's about time). If not, check out http://developer.apple.com/iphone/program/
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