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JoAnne O'Connor
Aug 30, 2014, 10:30:31 AM8/30/14
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Hi there,
I have wanted to reply to this post since I first received in while on holidays. Didn't want to do i from my phone and then got caught up in the post holiday whirlwind.
I took the first steps on the road to independence or autonomy from the HCH when I realized that new policies put in place by Patty and Rudi no longer resonated with what felt right for me. This was slightly before the CIHA came into being. Four or five years earlier, a group of us also felt the need to have a forum free of control. We set up HKpract so we could discuss not only cases, but any new concepts which may not fit neatly into the known Heilkunst framework, but we were curious to explore, see if they might fit and if so according to what principals. (That was the initial intent. I am a bit saddened to see that it is now mostly used to ask for help on cases). Perhaps those were the first steps to autonomy. Or maybe it is a bit like being life. As soon as you are born, you begin to die. As soon as the principles and teachings began to sink in, we were all being liberated little by little… Like Ati often says, this is turning out to be a longer reply than I intended, as I was philosophical here :-)
So, dear Heidi, I recognize and resonate with the need to be free of indoctrination. I find it is a constant vigil. I am not offended that you no longer identify with the group of Heilkunstlers. I am curious though, why would you think I might be ?
Love to you all, who were featured in a dream I had last night, where we were attending a conference in India or Thailand ! (and tell Harvey he was there too !!)
Jo
> Dear Brat Sensei,
>
> I was triggered by the language Jeff chose to use. And was subtly asking why this was a meer stumbling upon.
>
> I have decided that I no longer identify with he group that calls themselves Heilkunstlers.
> Jo you may find that offensive. I find it offensive that this author is belittled, albeit without the intention of doing so. I am currently examining areas of life where we indoctrinate ourselves. Whether that be food, thought, or exercise, sex etc...
> I am repelled by anything that admonishes another's brilliance/genius, even with a single word. I am perhaps over sensitised to this feeling. I too love how his group just is. Free. I would gladly participate in any construct that is free of the need for control.
>
> So yes, this was timely. And this podcast was a great exploration of that notion. And I definitely wasn't suggesting you, dear Susie, were the stumbler.
>
> Head Brat out!
I have wanted to reply to this post since I first received in while on holidays. Didn't want to do i from my phone and then got caught up in the post holiday whirlwind.
I took the first steps on the road to independence or autonomy from the HCH when I realized that new policies put in place by Patty and Rudi no longer resonated with what felt right for me. This was slightly before the CIHA came into being. Four or five years earlier, a group of us also felt the need to have a forum free of control. We set up HKpract so we could discuss not only cases, but any new concepts which may not fit neatly into the known Heilkunst framework, but we were curious to explore, see if they might fit and if so according to what principals. (That was the initial intent. I am a bit saddened to see that it is now mostly used to ask for help on cases). Perhaps those were the first steps to autonomy. Or maybe it is a bit like being life. As soon as you are born, you begin to die. As soon as the principles and teachings began to sink in, we were all being liberated little by little… Like Ati often says, this is turning out to be a longer reply than I intended, as I was philosophical here :-)
So, dear Heidi, I recognize and resonate with the need to be free of indoctrination. I find it is a constant vigil. I am not offended that you no longer identify with the group of Heilkunstlers. I am curious though, why would you think I might be ?
Love to you all, who were featured in a dream I had last night, where we were attending a conference in India or Thailand ! (and tell Harvey he was there too !!)
Jo
> Dear Brat Sensei,
>
> I was triggered by the language Jeff chose to use. And was subtly asking why this was a meer stumbling upon.
>
> I have decided that I no longer identify with he group that calls themselves Heilkunstlers.
> Jo you may find that offensive. I find it offensive that this author is belittled, albeit without the intention of doing so. I am currently examining areas of life where we indoctrinate ourselves. Whether that be food, thought, or exercise, sex etc...
> I am repelled by anything that admonishes another's brilliance/genius, even with a single word. I am perhaps over sensitised to this feeling. I too love how his group just is. Free. I would gladly participate in any construct that is free of the need for control.
>
> So yes, this was timely. And this podcast was a great exploration of that notion. And I definitely wasn't suggesting you, dear Susie, were the stumbler.
>
> Head Brat out!
JoAnne O'Connor
Aug 30, 2014, 12:48:55 PM8/30/14
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Hhhmmm. I wish I had re-read my post before hitting send instead of now that it is in my inbox. I can see that the second paragraph sounds defensive. In truth, the first and last paragraphs are the ones I would like to have sent.
Re-cap: Yes to autonomy !
Love,
Jo
On 2014-08-30, at 10:30 AM, JoAnne O'Connor wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I have wanted to reply to this post since I first received in while on holidays. Didn't want to do i from my phone and then got caught up in the post holiday whirlwind.
>
> I took the first steps on the road to independence or autonomy from the HCH when I realized that new policies put in place by Patty and Rudi no longer resonated with what felt right for me. This was slightly before the CIHA came into being. Four or five years earlier, a group of us also felt the need to have a forum free of control. We set up HKpract so we could discuss not only cases, but any new concepts which may not fit neatly into the known Heilkunst framework, but we were curious to explore, see if they might fit and if so according to what principals. (That was the initial intent. I am a bit saddened to see that it is now mostly used to ask for help on cases). Perhaps those were the first steps to autonomy. Or maybe it is a bit like being life. As soon as you are born, you begin to die. As soon as the principles and teachings began to sink in, we were all being liberated little by little... Like Ati often says, this is turning out to be a longer reply than I intended, as I was philosophical here :-)
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Re-cap: Yes to autonomy !
Love,
Jo
On 2014-08-30, at 10:30 AM, JoAnne O'Connor wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I have wanted to reply to this post since I first received in while on holidays. Didn't want to do i from my phone and then got caught up in the post holiday whirlwind.
>
>
> So, dear Heidi, I recognize and resonate with the need to be free of indoctrination. I find it is a constant vigil. I am not offended that you no longer identify with the group of Heilkunstlers. I am curious though, why would you think I might be ?
>
> Love to you all, who were featured in a dream I had last night, where we were attending a conference in India or Thailand ! (and tell Harvey he was there too !!)
>
> Jo
>
>> Dear Brat Sensei,
>>
>> I was triggered by the language Jeff chose to use. And was subtly asking why this was a meer stumbling upon.
>>
>> I have decided that I no longer identify with he group that calls themselves Heilkunstlers.
>> Jo you may find that offensive. I find it offensive that this author is belittled, albeit without the intention of doing so. I am currently examining areas of life where we indoctrinate ourselves. Whether that be food, thought, or exercise, sex etc...
>> I am repelled by anything that admonishes another's brilliance/genius, even with a single word. I am perhaps over sensitised to this feeling. I too love how his group just is. Free. I would gladly participate in any construct that is free of the need for control.
>>
>> So yes, this was timely. And this podcast was a great exploration of that notion. And I definitely wasn't suggesting you, dear Susie, were the stumbler.
>>
>> Head Brat out!
>
> --
> So, dear Heidi, I recognize and resonate with the need to be free of indoctrination. I find it is a constant vigil. I am not offended that you no longer identify with the group of Heilkunstlers. I am curious though, why would you think I might be ?
>
> Love to you all, who were featured in a dream I had last night, where we were attending a conference in India or Thailand ! (and tell Harvey he was there too !!)
>
> Jo
>
>> Dear Brat Sensei,
>>
>> I was triggered by the language Jeff chose to use. And was subtly asking why this was a meer stumbling upon.
>>
>> I have decided that I no longer identify with he group that calls themselves Heilkunstlers.
>> Jo you may find that offensive. I find it offensive that this author is belittled, albeit without the intention of doing so. I am currently examining areas of life where we indoctrinate ourselves. Whether that be food, thought, or exercise, sex etc...
>> I am repelled by anything that admonishes another's brilliance/genius, even with a single word. I am perhaps over sensitised to this feeling. I too love how his group just is. Free. I would gladly participate in any construct that is free of the need for control.
>>
>> So yes, this was timely. And this podcast was a great exploration of that notion. And I definitely wasn't suggesting you, dear Susie, were the stumbler.
>>
>> Head Brat out!
>
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Marion Elliot
Aug 30, 2014, 1:54:05 PM8/30/14
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Hi, Ladies
I fell like a bit of an idiot - I don’t know what this is referring to.
I must have missed the original post - what group was it on?
And who are the people involved.?
And why is the response among these ladies?
Has someone left our group? Heidi?
I know Jo, Heidi and Jeff (Korentayer, I am assuming) are all luscious creatures, and hope you are all well and thriving, without being belittled.
And I know you live that the universe is rigged in your favour, and will thrive through this.
How can we support you both?
Marion
On Aug 30, 2014, at 10:30 AM, JoAnne O'Connor <jkoc...@mac.com> wrote:
Hi there,
I have wanted to reply to this post since I first received in while on holidays. Didn't want to do i from my phone and then got caught up in the post holiday whirlwind.
I took the first steps on the road to independence or autonomy from the HCH when I realized that new policies put in place by Patty and Rudi no longer resonated with what felt right for me. This was slightly before the CIHA came into being. Four or five years earlier, a group of us also felt the need to have a forum free of control. We set up HKpract so we could discuss not only cases, but any new concepts which may not fit neatly into the known Heilkunst framework, but we were curious to explore, see if they might fit and if so according to what principals. (That was the initial intent. I am a bit saddened to see that it is now mostly used to ask for help on cases). Perhaps those were the first steps to autonomy. Or maybe it is a bit like being life. As soon as you are born, you begin to die. As soon as the principles and teachings began to sink in, we were all being liberated little by little... Like Ati often says, this is turning out to be a longer reply than I intended, as I was philosophical here :-)
So, dear Heidi, I recognize and resonate with the need to be free of indoctrination. I find it is a constant vigil. I am not offended that you no longer identify with the group of Heilkunstlers. I am curious though, why would you think I might be ?
Love to you all, who were featured in a dream I had last night, where we were attending a conference in India or Thailand ! (and tell Harvey he was there too !!)
Jo
> Dear Brat Sensei,
>
> I was triggered by the language Jeff chose to use. And was subtly asking why this was a meer stumbling upon.
>
> I have decided that I no longer identify with he group that calls themselves Heilkunstlers.
> Jo you may find that offensive. I find it offensive that this author is belittled, albeit without the intention of doing so. I am currently examining areas of life where we indoctrinate ourselves. Whether that be food, thought, or exercise, sex etc...
> I am repelled by anything that admonishes another's brilliance/genius, even with a single word. I am perhaps over sensitised to this feeling. I too love how his group just is. Free. I would gladly participate in any construct that is free of the need for control.
>
> So yes, this was timely. And this podcast was a great exploration of that notion. And I definitely wasn't suggesting you, dear Susie, were the stumbler.
>
> Head Brat out!
I fell like a bit of an idiot - I don’t know what this is referring to.
I must have missed the original post - what group was it on?
And who are the people involved.?
And why is the response among these ladies?
Has someone left our group? Heidi?
I know Jo, Heidi and Jeff (Korentayer, I am assuming) are all luscious creatures, and hope you are all well and thriving, without being belittled.
And I know you live that the universe is rigged in your favour, and will thrive through this.
How can we support you both?
Marion
On Aug 30, 2014, at 10:30 AM, JoAnne O'Connor <jkoc...@mac.com> wrote:
Hi there,
I have wanted to reply to this post since I first received in while on holidays. Didn't want to do i from my phone and then got caught up in the post holiday whirlwind.
So, dear Heidi, I recognize and resonate with the need to be free of indoctrination. I find it is a constant vigil. I am not offended that you no longer identify with the group of Heilkunstlers. I am curious though, why would you think I might be ?
Love to you all, who were featured in a dream I had last night, where we were attending a conference in India or Thailand ! (and tell Harvey he was there too !!)
Jo
> Dear Brat Sensei,
>
> I was triggered by the language Jeff chose to use. And was subtly asking why this was a meer stumbling upon.
>
> I have decided that I no longer identify with he group that calls themselves Heilkunstlers.
> Jo you may find that offensive. I find it offensive that this author is belittled, albeit without the intention of doing so. I am currently examining areas of life where we indoctrinate ourselves. Whether that be food, thought, or exercise, sex etc...
> I am repelled by anything that admonishes another's brilliance/genius, even with a single word. I am perhaps over sensitised to this feeling. I too love how his group just is. Free. I would gladly participate in any construct that is free of the need for control.
>
> So yes, this was timely. And this podcast was a great exploration of that notion. And I definitely wasn't suggesting you, dear Susie, were the stumbler.
>
> Head Brat out!
JoAnne O'Connor
Aug 30, 2014, 4:09:31 PM8/30/14
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Hello Marion,
I think we're ok ?! We will see what Heidi has to say. If you go to Susan and Heidi's posts, you will find Jeff's original post on HKPract. No one has left the group, just airing our thoughts in the safety of this haven we six have created. I appreciate your encouragement and offer of support, Marion. You are a treasure.
Love,
Jo
I think we're ok ?! We will see what Heidi has to say. If you go to Susan and Heidi's posts, you will find Jeff's original post on HKPract. No one has left the group, just airing our thoughts in the safety of this haven we six have created. I appreciate your encouragement and offer of support, Marion. You are a treasure.
Love,
Jo
Heidi Short (Personal)
Aug 30, 2014, 4:48:04 PM8/30/14
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Hi Jo!... I have now just read your reply....
I think it would be great to maybe post what you wrote re the original intent to the HKPract group. It has grown and naturally perhaps the focus has changed to what the group needs & is ready for. I rarely get a reply to any questions I post so perhaps that is my indicator.
Our little group is perhaps closer to that realm of exploration and willingness to challenge each other. Although in the past year we've been more quiet, which may I think is a contraction while we all are working on new things so our next expansion should be interesting!!!
I wrote that I didn't want to offend you because I know how close you are to Abigayle & Steven in particular. Me writing that I no longer identify with the group of Heilkunstlers by extension means I do not resonate with their teachings or approach, neither in theory or how they practice (well Steven doesn't practice, and that is my point). So that is where is was being sensitive.
As with many things the school has grown in a direction that I cannot follow and that is specific to me not the school. I often feel isolated here at the edge of the globe and ao my musings fall upon you all!
A gorgeous sunny day here... the lambs are just starting to be born & the daffodils are blooming, the most delightful combination!
Love you all
The Brat
Sent from my phone on the smartphonetwork.
Heidi Short (Personal)
Aug 30, 2014, 5:02:39 PM8/30/14
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I didn't take it as defensive, more a clarification of your own evolution...
♥ H
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Date: 31/08/2014 4:48 AM (GMT+12:00)
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Subject: Re: Jeff's post
Hhhmmm. I wish I had re-read my post before hitting send instead of now that it is in my inbox. I can see that the second paragraph sounds defensive. In truth, the first and last paragraphs are the ones I would like to have sent.
Re-cap: Yes to autonomy !
To: resonant-rese...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Jeff's post
Hhhmmm. I wish I had re-read my post before hitting send instead of now that it is in my inbox. I can see that the second paragraph sounds defensive. In truth, the first and last paragraphs are the ones I would like to have sent.
Re-cap: Yes to autonomy !
Love,
Jo
Jo
Heidi Short (Personal)
Aug 30, 2014, 5:07:28 PM8/30/14
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Hi Marion, no leaving here or belittling... on anyone's part.
Susan had shared a post that cam from the school group email. I had asked a cheeky question in reference to Jeff's statement in said mail to which Susan and I had a cheeky to & fro also... would you like me to post to you privately?
You're pretty luscious yourself!
♥ H
Sent from my phone on the smartphonetwork.
-------- Original message --------
From: JoAnne O'Connor <jkoc...@mac.com>
Date: 31/08/2014 8:09 AM (GMT+12:00)
To: resonant-rese...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Jeff's post
Hello Marion,
I think we're ok ?! We will see what Heidi has to say. If you go to Susan and Heidi's posts, you will find Jeff's original post on HKPract. No one has left the group, just airing our thoughts in the safety of this haven we six have created. I appreciate your encouragement and offer of support, Marion. You are a treasure.
I think we're ok ?! We will see what Heidi has to say. If you go to Susan and Heidi's posts, you will find Jeff's original post on HKPract. No one has left the group, just airing our thoughts in the safety of this haven we six have created. I appreciate your encouragement and offer of support, Marion. You are a treasure.
Love,
Jo
Jo
On 2014-08-30, at 1:53 PM, Marion Elliot wrote:
> Hi, Ladies
>
> I fell like a bit of an idiot - I don't know what this is referring to.
> I must have missed the original post - what group was it on?
> And who are the people involved.?
> And why is the response among these ladies?
> Has someone left our group? Heidi?
>
> I know Jo, Heidi and Jeff (Korentayer, I am assuming) are all luscious creatures, and hope you are all well and thriving, without being belittled.
> And I know you live that the universe is rigged in your favour, and will thrive through this.
>
> How can we support you both?
>
> Marion
>
>
>
>
JoAnne O'Connor
Aug 30, 2014, 5:07:46 PM8/30/14
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Hello again,
Ah…yes, I am close to Abigayle and Steven, and I do get a lot out of my sessions with Abigayle. I appreciate your sensitivity Heidi. Is it odd that I don't usually associate them with Heilkunst per se ? Maybe because I don't have much to do with the HCH anymore and my relationship with them has a different tone. I hear how you feel isolated out there, even with the internet and various forums to stay connected. Ultimately, it is about resonance and our individual paths of learning and loving. And I can understand that neither the HCH, S and A, nor Heilkunstlers in general resonate with you anymore.
Every now and then, I think about posting my thoughts on HKpract and then I remember that it has a life of it's own and this is the course things have taken. Taking things into my own (our own) hands and once more looking for like minded souls to share this leg of the journey with, this has lead to my participation in our group. More intimate, able to withstand expansion and contraction, resonant, as our name implies.
Still feels odd to hear of lambs and daffodils when the geese are gathering once more and yes, a few leaves are turning red already.
Time to fire up the BBQ and enjoy another meal on the deck….while we still can !
Love,
Jo
Marion Elliot
Aug 30, 2014, 7:40:44 PM8/30/14
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Got it!
I finally went back and found the original post, and everything fell into place.
i think there is a lot of truth in the principle - even the conversation between Gudula and me in the car the other day was so stimulating and affirming, and there are always truths that emerge full-blown when we share ideas with a like-minded (or like intentioned) colleague.
Ditto to Heidi’s sentiments - we are perhaps in a period of contraction preparatory to a new emergence and expansion. Its exciting!
love, love,
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