Fwd: Community park land 1 - Park being used as cricket ground and football stadium - becoming nuisance

[Capt.Prawal Bais]

FYI....

Kind Regards
Capt Prabal Bais
Spa 1- 001,Spa Court

Jaypee Greens,Greater Noida

"As you sow , so shall you reap " - गहनः कर्मणो गतिः  

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From: Capt.Prawal Bais <capt.pr...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:14 AM
Subject: Community park land 1 - Park being used as cricket ground and football stadium - becoming nuisance
To: "help.desk" <help...@jaypeegreens.com>, "nandit...@jaypeegreens.com" <nandit...@jaypeegreens.com>

K/A - Col Govil  /Helpdesk

Pls note the community park of land 1 is regularly being used for playing cricket and football by not just by kids but servants and college students from outside as well.The residents of Spa court are facing problems as under:

1.The glass windows are liable to be broken.FYI 2 nos glass windows of vacant corner vila has been already been broken.

   On confronting the cricket players, there reply was that they would make the payment for glass replacements!!! But I am sure    they will all run away if  the glasses are broken.

2.The plants and flowers are damaged in plenty.

3.The huge noise and ruckus is everyday story.

4.It might have been allowed earlier by Jaypee when Spa court was not constructed , but now its time to stop this nuisance  by posting a guard for at least a month to break the old habit.

5.When the cricket/football play is going on in the park , our kids and families cannot go in the park due to risk of injury and disturbing their play.

6.We didnot buy our apartments in a cricket or football stadium and hope management realises their responsibility in curbing this nuisance ASAP.

Jaypee has made nice sports complex in the society and it would be better if people use that rather than making their neighbourhood as cricket stadium. This practice is to be curbed now which is being going on for last two years or so.In no residential society RWA allows their parks or neighbourhood turning into cricket/football fields.

Tomorrow they will play in nature reserve park or other parks as well and so we need to have policy as well as guards posted for its enforcement in the initial stage.

Thanks in advance 

Kind Regards
Capt Prabal Bais
Spa 1- 001,Spa Court

Jaypee Greens,Greater Noida

"As you sow , so shall you reap " - गहनः कर्मणो गतिः  

[Ashok Khanna]

Dear Sir,

 

I appreciate your concern and your note regarding the cricket balls and football, which must be played, but in areas where they do not cause damage or adequate steps should be taken to ensure the same.

 

Similarly, I have been asking Jaypee greens for over three years now since my Villa at E-116 was ready and so far I have had 5 windows broken.  The 5^th one was day before yesterday!  On the 4 windows earlier broken, I had put wire mesh and they have been safe.  Day before yesterday a different window was hit.

 

We have discussed with Jaypee greens authorities that there should be some kind of high net at the turning point from the 3^rd hole where chances of a slice off are possible which sometimes lets the ball into adjoining house of my brother E-117 and at other time it flies off their garden and on to the window of my Villa at E-116.

 

There is an urgent need of some kind of netting at a strategic point for atleast about 30’ to 40’ length along the course to prevent these balls from hitting these Villas.

 

Regards,

 

Ashok Khanna Vice Chairman

222, Okhla Industrial Estate, Phase III, New Delhi 110 020 India

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[Manju Sharma]

I don't agree with what you are saying. The Community park is meant for kids to play. We also bought the house next to the park so that kids can play there safely. We were told by Jaypee at the time that the community park is for the neighbourhood kids only and that they were welcome to play there. Your apartment building was not even planned at the time it was promised to us. 

Kids from all apartment buildings come and play here and that I believe is a good thing. You must be happy that the kids are playing and not getting into bad habits. Kids are surely more important than flowers and plants in the park. No RWA or any such organisation should even try to stop kids from playing.

If some people have concerns about their windows then they must put some protection rather than stopping kids. Also some people have come and shouted on the kids and snatched their kits in some instance. Obviously we don't want to set such examples, of shoddy behaviour, for our kids.

Thanks you

Manju Sharma

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[Capt.Prawal Bais]

Dear Khanna Saab,

I couldn't agree more on your appended mail and share the disappointment at the poor response of jaypee team in solving the issue.Though we understand that jaypee is going through a very tough phase ( with its debt burden of rs 80,000/- crores) , but these are issues which require no funds or very little investment from huge maintenance money taken in advance from us !!!. But alas! , the intention and will to sort out these minor issues are missing. Its shows their " neeyat mein Khot" attitude which is more disheartening.

On top of it, there is no replies or even meeting by estate manager on the issues.He simply is not available to meet residents on the issues which can be sorted out with mutual discussion. Jaypee bosses seems to be too busy with their other businesses or probably too power drunk but these estate managers seems to be even more power drunk and arrogant taking full advantage of jaypee's non involvment towards maintenance of this complex.

Regarding the protection from flying golf balls, jaypee can put the netting which they have already installed near suncourt or going to install near castille.Similarly, regarding community park misuse ,they just have to shift a guard with necessary instructions.And many such issues require very little application of resources .This is despite the fact that we are paying highest maintenance charges probably in the entire country not just in NCR.

I think its time , the residents join hands in a forum to save this society and further deterioration of our property and life. This job cannot be left to these ill efficient ,disinterested estate managers or jaypee builder for whom maintaining the society is a foreign issue!!

Kind Regards
Capt Prabal Bais
Spa 1- 001,Spa Court

Jaypee Greens,Greater Noida

"As you sow , so shall you reap " - गहनः कर्मणो गतिः  

[Capt.Prawal Bais]

Manju ji

I agree with you 100% that every kid has a right to play and community park is meant for that purpose but must they play cricket and football which pose danger to life and property in the neighbourhood is to be debated. And we only requested the players to play on the left side of fountain area instead of right. That would make it more safer for us .But unfortunately you have made it an ego issue to play at the same place .

It is sad that such a minor issue is creating bad blood among the neighbours/ residents of the society. I am sure we can sort out this issue amicably. My request is to look into flwg points before making firm point of view:

1.The other day an elderly lady from seacourt was hit by moving ball and she went away cursing the boys. Tomorrow somebody may get hurt badly, as many time they are playing with leather ball . The ball has landed close to my head twice and many times in balcony.

2. On your suggestion I will request the jaypee to put the protection on windows but hope you are not suggesting to move around with helmets all the time !! 

3. Its not just the kids who play, but the housekeepers, maid servants, tutors and even tutors friends from outside has been playing too.Even a Ranji team probable has been playing .The college students with friends from outside has also been regularly playing cricket and football with loud music system at top of its volume.

If that is not nuisance to a neighbour than what would be??

I think main culprit is  jaypee for failing to issue clear guidelines for park usage.And if cricket/football with loud music is allowed to be played in these ,then it was a mistake on my behalf to take sports club membership for the same.

We have  to keep in mind that soon there would be couple of teams who would end up fighting for space in community park or probably 2-3 teams playing at  the same time. Or even football and cricket match going on at the same time!! Are we ready for such a chaos!!

Mam, You would agree that if instead of sorting out issues by mutual discussion we resort to fighting , the society would soon go to dogs. So lets try to sort out the issue amicably.

Kind Regards
Capt Prabal Bais
Spa 1- 001,Spa Court

Jaypee Greens,Greater Noida

"As you sow , so shall you reap " - गहनः कर्मणो गतिः  

[Usha et Swadesh Ahuja]

Myself and my wife joins me to say that:

 COMMUNITY PARK IS THE BEST PLACE FOR GROWING UP OF CHILDERN AND BLOSSOMING OF THE FLOWERS.

PLEASE ALLOW THE TWO TO BE TOGETHER.

With love and blessings,

Dr. Swadesh Ahuja,

Villa 4/2 Land One.

[CJ Singh]

Dear All,

With the email from the facility management regarding kids playing in the community park, I would like to highlight some points on this issue:

1. This is not the first time such an issue - whether kids should play in the parks or not, has turned into a controversy. This issue has cropped pan India with various organisations and RWAs and kids.  In some cases, the kids have approached the honourable courts directly for the resolution. See some articles below from some newpapers on this issue. You can google for more:

1. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/noida/As-colony-parks-turn-into-gardens-play-space-shrinks-for-kids/articleshow/12888398.cms
2. http://m.hindustantimes.com/chandigarh/children-can-play-in-parks-in-p-kula-residential-area-court/article1-1310478.aspx
3. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/noida/As-colony-parks-turn-into-gardens-play-space-shrinks-for-kids/articleshow/12888398.cms

2. The courts have categorically ruled that kids be allowed to play in the parks. See one of the judgements of Delhi High Court attached. There is also a cite from a Supreme Court judgement in the matter. Hence, legally too, the kids cannot be refrained from playing in the community parks.

3. Everyone will agree that kids' playing is indeed an important step in their overall development and health. However, I agree that brash use of such can indeed cause nuisance to those who would like to use the park for other purposes. We should therefore look for an amicable resolution on the matter so that while the kids can rightfully play, but is also not causing annoyance to the others. Some suggestions:

    a. The outsiders not be allowed to play in the community park of Jaypee Greens. It should be only the resident's kids that be allowed.
    b. Also the home helps and security guards also not be allowed. It is a common site on street 3 to see security guards getting together to play across the street which indeed is a nuisance.
    c. Kids should play with soft balls and not hard balls. I do not think soft balls really pose any danger to anyone or a property.
    d. The play should be friendly plays and not really proper matches.

In a community, we all should learn to be more tolerant and respect each others needs as well.

This is my personal viewpoint on the subject.

Best regards

CJ Singh

 

[Capt.Prawal Bais]

Dear CJ singh ji

Appreciate your viewpoint but I beg to differ on the same due to flwg reasons:

1. The issue is not whether kids can play in the park or not.Of course they can and they must but the actual issue is what kind of sports .You would agree that certain sports like cricket,football,hammer throw , jabellin , equestrian etc and many such sports would pose danger to life and property and all parks are not designed for such activities.Otherwise Jaypee would not have constructed spa court and villas surrounding the park. Also they would not have planted so many trees and flowers in the park which are damaged by such activities .

2. Every park does not mean all sports activities allowed.CITY PARK in greater noida just behind ymca does not allow cricket or football or even badminton!! They have separately constructed stadium for that purpose.Similarly jaypee has constructed sports complex for the same.Even Jaypee have suggested alternative area for playing cricket or football in Gazebo park. 

3. And even soft tennis ball has broken glasses of the corner villa.The football has damaged the gazebo( hut) on the left side completely.See the attached photographs of broken glasses and damaged hut.The cricket pitch has damaged the grass permanently.Also a fast moving football or tennis ball can also cause severe injury to persons.This is in addition to huge noise being created compounded by the load music player which is played during the play regularly.

4. It may not be disturbance to other residents who does not live around park but those living around park especially spa court residents regularly face risk to property and life in addition to huge noise disturbance on regular basis. So I request all residents to kindly view the issue more humanely rather than making it an ego issue.

As far as legality of the issue, I am sure Jaypee team would have deliberated enough before issuing circular on the issue.

Kind Regards
Capt Prabal Bais
Spa 1- 001,Spa Court

Jaypee Greens,Greater Noida

"As you sow , so shall you reap " - गहनः कर्मणो गतिः  

[Capt.Prawal Bais]

Dear CJ singh ji

Appreciate your viewpoint but I beg to differ on the same due to flwg reasons:

1. The issue is not whether kids can play in the park or not.Of course they can and they must but the actual issue is what kind of sports .You would agree that certain sports like cricket,football,hammer throw , jabellin , equestrian etc and many such sports would pose danger to life and property and all parks are not designed for such activities.Otherwise Jaypee would not have constructed spa court and villas surrounding the park. Also they would not have planted so many trees and flowers in the park which are damaged by such activities .

2. Every park does not mean all sports activities allowed.CITY PARK in greater noida just behind ymca does not allow cricket or football or even badminton!! They have separately constructed stadium for that purpose.Similarly jaypee has constructed sports complex for the same.Even Jaypee have suggested alternative area for playing cricket or football in Gazebo park. 

3. And even soft tennis ball has broken glasses of the corner villa.The football has damaged the gazebo( hut) on the left side completely.See the attached photographs of broken glasses and damaged hut.The cricket pitch has damaged the grass permanently.Also a fast moving football or tennis ball can also cause severe injury to persons.This is in addition to huge noise being created compounded by the load music player which is played during the play regularly.

4. It may not be disturbance to other residents who does not live around park but those living around park especially spa court residents regularly face risk to property and life in addition to huge noise disturbance on regular basis. So I request all residents to kindly view the issue more humanely rather than making it an ego issue.

Kind Regards
Capt Prabal Bais
Spa 1- 001,Spa Court

Jaypee Greens,Greater Noida

"As you sow , so shall you reap " - गहनः कर्मणो गतिः  

On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:54 AM, CJ Singh <cjs...@gscglass.com> wrote:

[CJ Singh]

Dear Capt. Bais,

I am glad to note that you agree that the kids should be allowed to play in the community park.  The question remains what and how, so that this is not a nuisance to others. I am sure together we can find an amicable answer to the simple question. Let us all meet Sunday morning in the park itself to find a solution together.

I agree with you that we should respect each others' need to live peacefully in this community and that this should not be made an ego issue.

Best regards

CJ Singh

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[jasmin arethna]

There is a brave lady (a resident) who starts doing yoga right right in the middle where the children are playing football, during their game.

We Request the lady to refrain from such acts of bravery.

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>> *Capt Prabal Bais*Spa 1- 001,Spa Court

>> Jaypee Greens,Greater Noida
>>
>> "As you sow , so shall you reap " - गहनः कर्मणो गतिः
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:54 AM, CJ Singh <cjs...@gscglass.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Dear All,
>> >
>> > With the email from the facility management regarding kids playing in the
>> > community park, I would like to highlight some points on this issue:
>> >
>> > 1. This is not the first time such an issue - whether kids should play in
>> > the parks or not, has turned into a controversy. This issue has cropped pan
>> > India with various organisations and RWAs and kids. In some cases, the
>> > kids have approached the honourable courts directly for the resolution. See
>> > some articles below from some newpapers on this issue. You can google for
>> > more:
>> >

>> > 1.
>> > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/noida/As-colony-parks-turn-into-gardens-play-space-shrinks-for-kids/articleshow/12888398.cms
>> > 2.
>> > http://m.hindustantimes.com/chandigarh/children-can-play-in-parks-in-p-kula-residential-area-court/article1-1310478.aspx
>> > 3.

>> > *Capt Prabal Bais *Spa 1- 001,Spa Court

>> >> *Capt Prabal Bais *Spa 1- 001,Spa Court

>> >> *Capt Prabal Bais *Spa 1- 001,Spa Court

[Capt.Prawal Bais]

Dear Singh saab,

I am more than willing to meet and discuss the issue. So,lets meet up between 9-10AM this sunday in community park 

We have to keep in mind that a  wrong practice once started, is very difficult to stop later on. See for example, Art 370 a special privilege given to Kashmir 70 years back  , cannot be revoked now. Similarly, reservation in jobs on caste basis cannot be annulled even after 70 years of independence though as per constitution it was meant for 10years only.Ideally reservation should have been for all poor people instead of caste basis... etc . Even in our offices/factories when we try to change a wrong practice or habit of staff , there is so much resentment.

So doing the things right ,first time and every time, is the right policy.And our aim should be discourage any activity which after some years becomes difficult to stop howsoever wrong it may be!!

Kind Regards
Capt Prabal Bais
Spa 1- 001,Spa Court

Jaypee Greens,Greater Noida

"As you sow , so shall you reap " - गहनः कर्मणो गतिः  

[Capt.Prawal Bais]

Ms Jasmin

When football or cricket is going on, one cannot do yoga or walk anywhere in park, not even in a corner. Which means park is hijacked by 10-20 people , while others have to wait till they finish their game!!!  So any such sports has to be stopped which makes park inaccessible to majority of residents , even if you want to do yoga at one corner of the park , additional to posing danger to life and property. Also the toddlers/small kids cannot go in the park when big guys are playing . 

So its not bravery, its the frustration at the continuation of a wrong practice for a long time, which must have forced the lady to continue doing yoga while football or cricket match is going on in community park, which is meant for community activities rather than serving as a sports stadium!! .Some one has to bell the cat!!!

Hope you understand the situation keeping yourself in her place rather than being sarcastic about it .

Kind Regards
Capt Prabal Bais

Spa 1- 001,Spa Court

Jaypee Greens,Greater Noida

"As you sow , so shall you reap " - गहनः कर्मणो गतिः  

[CJ Singh]

Dear Capt. Bais,

10AM would be good.

May I also request all to please do not send more mails on the subject. This would help finding an amicable solution to the issue.

Thanks.

Best regards

CJ Singh

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[Capt.Prawal Bais]

Dear Singh saab

I think we should have somebody from the jaypee management to discuss the issue and suggest alternative places for cricket and football.Without jaypee involvement, our efforts will be all in vain.So lets try to get somebody from jaypee mngmt for tommorows discussion or we can seek a meeting time from them and meet accordingly.

In the meantime you can call me on my cell no - 9818120658 to discuss anything if reqd.

Kind Regards
Capt Prabal Bais
Spa 1- 001,Spa Court

Jaypee Greens,Greater Noida

"As you sow , so shall you reap " - गहनः कर्मणो गतिः  

[CJ Singh]

Dear Capt. Bais,

I suggest that we meet first, as planned. If we can find a solution together, I do not think Jaypee management will have any issues. Whatever the outcome, we can meet Jaypee later. Request not to change the program the last minute.

Best regards

CJ Singh

[Capt.Prawal Bais]

Dear Singh saab

I really cannot suggest any alternative place for cricket and football other than those suggested by jaypee. So jaypee's involvement is must for the same.

The solution has to come from Jaypee and not from me or you or from any resident on this issue.

The jaypee has designed and constructed this society and it is for them to designate a cricket and football field.We can meet 100 times everyday, but still cannot find a solution without jaypee's involvement. So what's the point in meeting!!! 

Kind Regards
Capt Prabal Bais
Spa 1- 001,Spa Court

Jaypee Greens,Greater Noida

"As you sow , so shall you reap " - गहनः कर्मणो गतिः  

[Raveen Jain]

Hi

 

Comparing our issue to Art. 370 JJJ

Is our issue this BIG?

We are taking about our kids & the community and not political setups & industrial labour.

 

Have a heart  – it’s about our children.

Were you not a KID ?

Did you not play in the parks ?

Did you never annoy your neighbours by your play & pranks?

 

Let them enjoy the freedom we had cherished. Every smile, every laughter echoes the blooming of flowers in the garden.

 

Let’s meet up and sort it out.

 

Best regards

Raveen

[Capt.Prawal Bais]

Hi 

I think you missed the point completely .....which is to start a wrong practise at the first place!!.It was not about comparing Article 370 or reservation or kids play.

Here I would like to point to a very apt message sent by a respectable resident :-

///  Quote ///

" Indeed kids need to play but as a general rule sports like cricket and football should be played on designated ground in the sports complex joining the particular sports academy ..  It's a social courtesy that we care about safety of fellow residents .. Not only breaking the windows but ball can really hit someone and cause an injury ...

We must care and respect each other's concerns. Our leisure and pleasure should not be the cause of disturbance to any body."

 /// Unquote ///

Actual issue is  for identifying cricket and football fields in addition to existing 3 options (gazebo park, integrated sports complex and greater noida stadium ).

Which only jaypee can suggest .They have already suggested one in their circular but due to ego problems , people simply wont accept it.

How many societies in greater noida or even NCR has cricket or football stadiums.We have one inside the complex as well as one just outside kaveri gate i.e Greater noida stadium!! .

But alas, people have become so insensitive that they want to convert single community park available for kids into a cricket or football stadium!!.Despite already having 3 designated stadiums at stones throw distance inside the complex.

When you were kid, were you had such world class stadiums at so close proximity? And playing cricket and football is not same as playing pranks with neighbours.

Of course its our children and that's why we live in a society where there is designated places for sports like cricket, football, golf etc. Tomorrow you may justify playing cricket in nature park opposite temple where even cycling is not allowed by jaypee!! 

And if justifing a wrong practise is called having a heart then I am better off without it!!!

Kind Regards
Capt Prabal Bais
Spa 1- 001,Spa Court

Jaypee Greens,Greater Noida

"As you sow , so shall you reap " - गहनः कर्मणो गतिः  

[CJ Singh]

Capt Bais,

While you agree that kids should play, you are not wanting them to play. Any amicable solution is not acceptable to you.

In fact your are missing the point. This difference of opinions is nothing new. Some will feel they should be allowed and some will say they should not. This difference of opinions is laid to rest by rulings by various courts. It is a legal right of kids to play in the community parks, which no one can deny.

Unfortunately, it appears that you do wish to resolve this, as this is as much an ego issue for you.

God bless the kids and God bless the neighbourhood.

Best regards

CJ Singh

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[Manju Sharma]

Get well soon mr bias 

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[CJ Singh]

Some Corrections in my answer. Apologies for the typo.

On Saturday 11 April 2015 03:21 PM, CJ Singh wrote:

Capt Bais,

While you agree that kids should play, you are not wanting them to play. Any amicable solution is not acceptable to you.

In fact you *r are missing the point. This difference of opinions is nothing new. Some will feel they should be allowed and some will say they should not. This difference of opinions is laid to rest by rulings by various courts. It is a legal right of kids to play in the community parks, which no one can deny.

Unfortunately, it appears that you do *not wish to resolve this, as this is as much an ego issue for you.

[Capt.Prawal Bais]

Dear Singh saab,

All I am saying is, without Jaypee's involvement, it will be impossible to find another cricket/football field.Its their property and only they can designate a place for particular usage . Its not within our rights to do so. 

Any discussion of ours on this issue without Jaypee's involvement will be a futile exercise.And since we are sticking to our viewpoints , its better we discuss the same with jaypee .

I am sure , regarding legality of not converting community parks into cricket or football stadiums, jaypee must have consulted their lawyers before issuing circular on the issue.

Kind Regards
Capt Prabal Bais
Spa 1- 001,Spa Court

Jaypee Greens,Greater Noida

"As you sow , so shall you reap " - गहनः कर्मणो गतिः  

Kind Regards
Capt Prabal Bais
Spa 1- 001,Spa Court

Jaypee Greens,Greater Noida

"As you sow , so shall you reap " - गहनः कर्मणो गतिः  

[CJ Singh]

Dear All,

Me and Raveen went and met the Jaypee top management this morning and have discussed this issue. It clear that Jaypee does not wish to stop the kids from playing in the community park - land 1. On the contrary, their contention is that the community park was made for this purpose also.

However, they do not want, and neither do we all, I believe, that:

1. Kids play with hard balls as these can hurt someone.
2. Domestic helps and outsiders should play.
3. Play in a way which is a nuisance to walkers around and those living around. They should respect the other users of the community park too.

So this is good news. Kids can play. However, I would request, with folded hands, to all residents whose kids play, to tell the kids to follow the above instructions strictly.

I personally would also request the kids to keep shifting the playing place so that the grass and other greenery around is not damaged. They should take care to protect the beauty of this beautiful place.

So let us put behind all the egos clashes and live and co-exist peacefully with each other.

This matter stands resolved and therefore closed.

Cheers to all.

CJ Singh