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Just drawing everyone's attention to a discussion at Talk:Marc Gen#Origin concerning the nationality of Marc Gen and Pedro de la Rosa. It bears strong similarities to the long debate about nationality of British drivers, so maybe people would like to have a say on this too. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:53, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Romain Grosjean nationality question - with this young driver more than likely to be replacing Nelson Piquet Jr in the Renault for the rest of the season I thought I would bring up this question/matter. He is evidently Swiss as he was born in Geneva but his flag/nationality is down as being French as he has a French drivers licence(?). Surely he should be identified as being from Switzerland. Perhaps it would be beneficial to wait until he enters a race to see which nationality is given by the tv coverage before changing anything though. Alistair 84 (talk) 14:43, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
This is fun isn't it? I've got a comment at the FAC of 2008 Monaco Grand Prix about the use of flags in the classification sections (next to the drivers) breaching multiple MoS guidelines. It is incredibly tempting to just dump the flags, as they have been nothing but trouble, but I don't really want to do this without doing that to all our other race reports. Is there a consensus to keep them despite the MoS, or should we just get rid of them (and all other flags, forgetting this whole thing ever happened)? Do our own guidelines at WP:F1 overrule the MoS? I haven't really been following the flag debate... Apterygial 08:52, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
"With flags, it was okay to show some additional information about the driver.": The flag served for informing readers (who of course know which country's flag it is) which country the driver belongs to; the same information you are now writing so as to inform every reader in general. But giving this a separate column puts in undue weight on something that doesn't deserve it. LeaveSleaves 11:06, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
When a flag icon is used for the first time in a list or table, it needs to appear adjacent to its respective country (or province, etc.) name, as not all readers are familiar with all flags. Use of flag templates without country names is also an accessibility issue, as it can render information difficult for color blind readers to understand. In addition, flags can be hard to distinguish when reduced to icon size.
Obviously as a project we should be consistent really. The table itself in the Monaco article looks horrible and in itself raises a lot of questions. Although flags maybe seen as decoration, in tables it can be informative whereas words cannot describe it - i.e. the first four drivers may all be German or something; words wouldn't describe it without the user getting confusing. For instance, I can quickly see here that there are three British drivers in the top five whereas it'd be hard and possibly trivial to put a fact like that in prose unless put in a quote. It's simplistic to have it like that. No harm. There's the saying "Don't fix something which isn't broke" - so I find it totally unnecessary to remove flags altogether from the table. There's also the argument "too many words conveyed into such short space" I guess.
The article Grand Prix World Championship has been revised alot lately. As I haven't seen a name attached to the new GP championship for next season, is it actually correct to dump information about the break into this article? I think that's verging on OR, unless someone can cite an RS to say that GPWC is the new name. 70.29.212.226 (talk) 06:33, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
I see that Third driver has been merged into Test driver (specifically into Test driver#Formula One). However, I'm not sure that the merged article now covers the full scope of F1 test driver activities. What do others think? DH85868993 (talk) 10:01, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
I'd thought I would let you know that F1 2010 (video game) has been protected for three days from editing. The problem is that source three and source four state different seasons the game will be based on. I have been persistently reverting anonymous users changing "2009" to "2010", thinking that ref four was just a forum post. On a second look, however, it looks more official than I thought; although the bottom note which says "The views expressed in this message are in no way the official views of Codemasters and are of a personal nature" seems to dispell that. Ref three is hardly official though, is it? So, my question is, which one do we believe? Darth Newdar (talk) 11:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Quick question, why on earth in the results table for this grand prix is ford replaced with cosworth? I just came across it today and just wanted confirmation that it is meant to be written as ford and not cosworth. Ste900R (talk) 07:22, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
For reference: [4], [5]. Here's a Cosworth in the back of Fabrizio Barbazza's F3000 Leyton House [6]. Although on the other hand we also have [7] and [8], and Clark is seen here with a Ford [9]. Forix use the term "Ford Cosworth", so maybe we can do something like that. It just seems daft to link to Ford Motor Company when we have better suited articles like Cosworth or Cosworth DFV for DFV cases. Bretonbanquet (talk) 10:25, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
This has been briefly discussed on this page before, but it would seem to me that the current situation of representing it could be improved upon. Looking at the old Autocourse annuals, it appears to be the case that Gachot's registered Super License nationality in Formula One was Belgian from 1989 to 1991, and then French in 1992 and 1994 to 1995. In the current season articles and race reports, his flag is always Belgian. I would favour changing it to the French flag in the 1992, 1994 and 1995 articles, in addition to mentioning the issue in Gachot's own article (and tweaking relevant categories etc.). However, this does have the potential to be confusing, so I thought I should raise the issue here first (especially after the recent flag debates!).
Another question for everyone; why in the latter half of the 1951 Formula One season are all the official names of the races in capital letters and are different from what it says on chicanef1? Take for example the 1951 Belgian Grand Prix, in the article it says the official name is "XIII GROTE PRIJS VAN BELGIE", but yet on chicanef1 it is listed as "XIII Grand Prix de Belgique". I don't know about you guys, but I'm inclined to change it to what chicanef1 says. Ste900R (talk) 11:15, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
There are many Formula One car stub articles that do not seem to meet general notability guidelines, Like this one. I propose merging those articles into Formula_One_car, but I am not sure if this is the best approach. Your thoughts? --John Kronenwetter (talk) 20:10, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Looking at the article for Sebastien Bourdais I realised that some of our articles describe the subject driver as "a Formula One driver". I don't feel that this description is accurate or allows for flexibility of description and means we will have to change the intro to every driver when they change series. Some of the articles read ...is a racing driver who currently drives in (their current formula). I think this is better. Thoughts? Britmax (talk) 09:42, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
I can't figure out how to remove Alguersuqari from the table of drivers without messing up the table. It has not been officially announced that he will drive for Toro Rosso yet, although there is plenty of speculation that he will. I did ask on the talk page for the info not to be added until it was official. Can someone sort this please? Mjroots (talk) 21:08, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Are we all happy with the reliability of the sources avalible for de la Rosa and Bruno Senna as Campos drivers in 2010 Formula One season, particularly the Senna reference (which isn't English)? Potentially misleading if this is not actually true. The usual ultra-reliable sources like autosport.com have yet to mention it. MotorsportPete93 (talk) 23:24, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone else think that the one we use for F1 results is getting too long? I think Template:F1 driver results legend 2 could do with a bit of pruning. Falcadore objected to the addition of a "SUS" code for suspended drivers and teams, and although I added it, I'm happy to remove it again if people will just leave the boxes blank instead. We also discussed the removal of the non-result "Inj" - this has nothing to do with a results table, and it can always be replaced by another, more accurate code. I also removed the "cancelled event" code because there has never been a cancelled F1 race that shows on these tables. Another user re-added it saying it was important. If other series need codes that F1 doesn't need, I suggest those other series use Template:F1 driver results legend, with F1 sticking to the #2 legend. Any thoughts? Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:11, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Just to confuse things a little further, I've just come across the case of Rick Mears, who was apparently entered to drive a third Brabham at the 1980 United States Grand Prix West, but refused by FISA as the entry had not been made two months in advance, as required by new regulations on the subject of supplementary entries introduced that year. Is a refused entry even covered by the current codes?--Midgrid(talk) 19:29, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Since we're talking about multiple codes here, it might be helpful if we could indicate by means of a table which codes we think should be kept and which should go. (N.B. does white (#FFFFFF) actually produce a different colour to leaving the cell blank, or are my eyes playing tricks on me?) --Midgrid(talk) 19:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
To return to this, Template:F1 driver results legend has been moved to Template:Motorsport driver results legend by someone or other, which I think is a good move. It's more descriptive and makes the template more suitable for adaptation which would enable it to cover as many series and formulae as possible. If the other Template:F1 driver results legend 2 is to be used solely for F1, perhaps we can start to decide what to do with it. Maybe we can start with the aspects we've so far agreed on, like ditching the godforsaken "Inj".
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