[refresh-edinburgh] How much do you charge for work?
ewengcameron
Just wondering how much you all charge for hourly maintenance work on
client sites? We are currently charging £60/hour for any non-quoted
work & I was hoping to find out if thats too high/low/about right.
Any pointers would be much appreciated!
Cheers
Ewen
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Dan Frydman
£60-£80/hr
We're also experimenting with the notion of emergency response for new
work though most clients back off when you suggest 50% increase on a
piece of work if they've broken something and let us schedule it in.
Dan
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ewengcameron
Cheers for the prompt reply. We charge an emergency rate for things
out of our control etc.
Ewen
On May 4, 12:13 pm, Dan Frydman <d...@inigo.net> wrote:
> Depends on seniority of designer / developer and the kind of work. So
> £60-£80/hr
>
> We're also experimenting with the notion of emergency response for new
> work though most clients back off when you suggest 50% increase on a
> piece of work if they've broken something and let us schedule it in.
>
> Dan
>
> On 4 May 2010, at 10:06, ewengcameron wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi all,
>
> > Just wondering how much you all charge for hourly maintenance work on
> > client sites? We are currently charging £60/hour for any non-quoted
> > work & I was hoping to find out if thats too high/low/about right.
>
> > Any pointers would be much appreciated!
>
> > Cheers
>
> > Ewen
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DarkSnow
I'm new to this list and just starting out at Freelancing. Has this
question been answered? I take it the sixty to eighty figure is about
par for the course.
I've just started signing up to some of those freelancing websites so
would really appreciate what amount to tell them. I'm pretty confident
that I can do the work, but charging and subsequently asking for
money, is something I'm unsure about coming from a full time
commercial background where I just get paid at the end of the month.
Thanks.
Martin Fraser.
Dan Frydman
£60-80/hr is pretty high for a freelancer, unless you are amazing at
what you do. If you've established a reputation as a freelancer and
worked with agencies on high profile jobs, then certainly go for that
rate. It may be easier to put it in a day rate though.
I think Ewen was talking about maintenance from a company
perspective. Freelance is usually a lot less as you've got far fewer
overheads and if you get run over by bus, there's no backup...
Dan
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skype: inigo-md
Address: 3 John's Place, Leith, EH6 7EL
Company Number SC 212011 | VAT No. 761 7555 10
ewengcameron
As Dan says, the overheads for a company are much higher. If I do
freelance, its usually around the £30/hour mark.
That said, if your skills are in more obscure areas etc, you can
pretty much dictate the rates.
Ewen
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Dan Frydman
£65/hr rate which is really high, but he's pretty amazing and works
with agencies on FTSE 100 company sites that get in .net magazine,
etc. Not done anything with him yet, but time will tell - I hope so.
Dan
Martin Fraser
I'm not a kid out of Uni or anything, so I've got experience, but
nothing public or relevant, so can't really dictate what to charge. Im
also not sure what the going rate is so I guess the thirty quid mark, as
suggested, is where I'll start and I'll see where it goes from there.
Cheers,
Martin...
Jonathan Barrett
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n russell
I thought about going freelance earlier in the year (but never did)
and was going to ask you all this very question. I reckon it's the
kind of thing folk might be more comfortable answering anonymously. So
at the time I created this Google Docs form but never sent it out as I
never started out on my own:
http://is.gd/coxVK-
https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=en&formkey=dDVZRG9hb3V5eThiQ1Z0bzlwOFBWYnc6MA#gid=0
Feel free to use it. I can share the results if it gets a decent
enough (i.e. any) response. ;-)
Rgds,
Neill
Cole Henley
Hope you don't mind - have tweeted this out to see if can cast the net
wider for responses.
Cole
n russell
"Am I charging too little/too much? " is question many freelancers
must ask themselves. When I considered it I felt I was gonna have to
just guess my rate at first. Let's hope we don't start a price war
though!
n.
Andy Bright
either you are working from home and decide the price for the project
and simply derive the number of days/hours bases on that, or you are
working on contract full-time in your clients office.
Working from from home you may decide that £4000 is fair for the
project and say that'll be 10 days at £400/day, although the work may
only actually take you 3 days - you know you've got nothing else
coming up so need to bump up the rate. While in a full-time contract
setting you may be looking to drop that day rate to make yourself
competitive, safe in the knowledge that you'll get X months of steady
work in the bag.
FYI I'm a middleweight IA, with good references and a portfolio of
multinational clients - and am currently on a 6 month contract at £300/
day.
Best,
Dan Frydman
I hope you're not suggesting you could charge £4k for 3 days of work!
Dan
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Peter Braden
Andy Bright
easily be out of work for a few months at the end of the year. Add to
that the fact that I let the company take care of my tax, and they're
billing me at 40% - so if I am out of work at the end of the year I
won't get my rebate for quite a few months.
4k for three days is perhaps a bit extreme, but let's say you've got a
month long project but it's only really 2-3 days a week of work and
2-3 days waiting for feedback. you can't start anything new in that
downtime (I've tried and failed at that) so you need to factor that
standby time into the cost, I.e you bill 4 days a week although your
only putting in 2-3 days effort. Plus you're building in some
contingency funds.
In the end, in the smaller markets you charge based on percieved value
if the work. In others, usually bigger ones, you're at the whim of
supply and demand, which is why I'm making more at my grade in Glasgow
than I have in London and why the unix guys that take care of our
mainframes are ponytailed millionaires.
best,
On May 26, 7:48 pm, "Dan Frydman" <d...@inigo.net> wrote:
> Alright for some... £36k project over 6 months is nice work if you can get it ;)
>
> I hope you're not suggesting you could charge £4k for 3 days of work!
>
> Dan
>
> ___________________
>
> Dan Frydman
> Inigo Media Ltd
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> t.08456 444 685
> d...@inigo.nethttp://www.inigo.net
> > > >> Company Number SC 212011 | VAT No.761 7555 10
> > > Company Number SC 212011 | VAT No.761 7555 10
Dan Frydman
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n russell
Thought I'd give you an update.
Refresh Freelance Rates Survey Summary
22 replies to date
Avg. Freelance £37.50 (based on 16)
Avg. Company £57.50 (based on 6)
Rates vary from £20/hr to £75/hr for freelancers (with one exception
of £200/hr which is highlighted by the submitter as a high rate,
normal rate being £60/hr)
...and from £30 to £80 for companies
Remember, of course, rates will differ as everyone offers different
skills, services, experience etc etc. With such as broad range of
rates I think the answer is no doubt to charge as much as you think
you can and how much you think you're worth. As people have mentioned,
sometimes a freelancer will need to consider workflow, downtime, and
the fact that you can always lower a high rate because it's much more
difficult to raise them.
Not really sure what to do with this data now I/we've got it. It's not
a large set of data. I'll let it run for a bit. If anyone wants
anything more than the above type of summary let me know.
BTW I'm thinking of growing one of those money making ponytails.
Rgds,
Neill
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> office: +44 (0)131 555 1147
>
> http://www.inigo.net
> http://twitter.com/danfrydman
> skype: inigo-md
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Cole Henley
Tam Denholm
checking the results, because they're publically viewable.
Tam
n russell
growing a ponytail ;-)
n russell
I don't see any rain. does anyone have a prob with that being public?
It doesn't really identify anyone.
If I pass the data on to anyone I might remove the skills & location
fields or move them to another dataset. It's a small world and I bet
some people could be identified from that if someone really wanted to
try but that's all.
Rgds,
Neill
Colin Gray
conversation. I've always struggled with rates as I really just do web work
part-time alongside a nearly full time job (online education specialist,
just incase anyone needs advice/consultancy on that in the future!) so don't
quite have the extensive portfolio or list of contacts to back up the higher
rates.
I've always tended to compensate for this slightly by overquoting for time
as other people have mentioned earlier. It works as a contingency for me as
well as, only working 1 or 2 days a week on web work, some lesser used
skills become a bit rusty and I have to spend time re-learning, or some
Javascript/CSS problem will get me that I haven't come across before. I feel
a lot less bad doing that now though since I charge a fair bit less per hour
than a lot of the people on the survey!
Colin
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From: "n russell" <neill....@gmail.com>
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To: <refresh-...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [refresh-edinburgh] Re: How much do you charge for work?
> Ta Tam,
>
> I don't see any rain. does anyone have a prob with that being public?
> It doesn't really identify anyone.
>
> If I pass the data on to anyone I might remove the skills & location
> fields or move them to another dataset. It's a small world and I bet
> some people could be identified from that if someone really wanted to
> try but that's all.
>
> Rgds,
>
> Neill
>
> On 27 May 2010 11:00, Tam Denholm <drea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I dont want to rain on your parade or anything but i've been regularly
>> checking the results, because they're publically viewable.
>>
>> http://bit.ly/90eTiC <--
>>
>> Tam
>>
>> On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:57 AM, n russell <neill....@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Thought I'd give you an update.
>>>
>>> Refresh Freelance Rates Survey Summary
>>>
>>> http://goo.gl/QC6G
>>>
>>> 22 replies to date
>>>
>>> Avg. Freelance �ｿｽ37.50 (based on 16)
>>> Avg. Company �ｿｽ57.50 (based on 6)
>>>
>>> Rates vary from �ｿｽ20/hr to �ｿｽ75/hr for freelancers (with one exception
>>> of �ｿｽ200/hr which is highlighted by the submitter as a high rate,
>>> normal rate being �ｿｽ60/hr)
>>>
>>> ...and from �ｿｽ30 to �ｿｽ80 for companies
>>>>>> Alright for some... �ｿｽ36k project over 6 months is nice work if you
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> get it ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope you're not suggesting you could charge �ｿｽ4k for 3 days of work!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ___________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dan Frydman
>>>>>> Inigo Media Ltd
>>>>>>
>>>>>> t.08456 444 685
>>>>>> d...@inigo.nethttp://www.inigo.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3 John's Place, Leith, EH6 7EL
>>>>>> co. no. sc212011
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Andy Bright [mailto:andybri...@gmail.com]
>>>>>> To: refresh-edinburgh [mailto:refresh-...@googlegroups.com]
>>>>>> Subject: [refresh-edinburgh] Re: How much do you charge for work?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's important to make a differentiation on how you are working.
>>>>>>> i.e.
>>>>>>> either you are working from home and decide the price for the
>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>> and simply derive the number of days/hours bases on that, or you are
>>>>>>> working on contract full-time in your clients office.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Working from from home you may decide that �ｿｽ4000 is fair for the
>>>>>>> project and say that'll be 10 days at �ｿｽ400/day, although the work
>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>> only actually take you 3 days - you know you've got nothing else
>>>>>>> coming up so need to bump up the rate. While in a full-time contract
>>>>>>> setting you may be looking to drop that day rate to make yourself
>>>>>>> competitive, safe in the knowledge that you'll get X months of
>>>>>>> steady
>>>>>>> work in the bag.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FYI I'm a middleweight IA, with good references and a portfolio of
>>>>>>> multinational clients - and am currently on a 6 month contract at
>>>>>>> �ｿｽ300/
>>>>>>> day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 25, 12:19 pm, Dan Frydman <d...@inigo.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've been chatting to a freelance designer / developer who's at the
>>>>>>>> �ｿｽ65/hr rate which is really high, but he's pretty amazing and works
>>>>>>>> with agencies on FTSE 100 company sites that get in .net magazine,
>>>>>>>> etc. Not done anything with him yet, but time will tell - I hope
>>>>>>>> so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 25 May 2010, at 12:08, ewengcameron wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As Dan says, the overheads for a company are much higher. If I do
>>>>>>>>> freelance, its usually around the �ｿｽ30/hour mark.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That said, if your skills are in more obscure areas etc, you can
>>>>>>>>> pretty much dictate the rates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ewen
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 12:00 pm, Dan Frydman <d...@inigo.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Martin,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> �ｿｽ60-80/hr is pretty high for a freelancer, unless you are amazing
>>>>>>>>>>>> client sites? We are currently charging �ｿｽ60/hour for any
Dan Frydman
If you're a designer or designer / developer looking for work and you
answered on the £200-£250/day scale, do email me (not back to the
group) if you're interested in working with another client.
Cheers
Dan
>>>> Avg. Freelance Ł37.50 (based on 16)
>>>> Avg. Company Ł57.50 (based on 6)
>>>>
>>>> Rates vary from Ł20/hr to Ł75/hr for freelancers (with one
>>>> exception
>>>> of Ł200/hr which is highlighted by the submitter as a high rate,
>>>> normal rate being Ł60/hr)
>>>>
>>>> ...and from Ł30 to Ł80 for companies
>>>>>>> Alright for some... Ł36k project over 6 months is nice work if
>>>>>>> you can
>>>>>>> get it ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope you're not suggesting you could charge Ł4k for 3 days
>>>>>>> of work!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ___________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dan Frydman
>>>>>>> Inigo Media Ltd
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> t.08456 444 685
>>>>>>> d...@inigo.nethttp://www.inigo.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3 John's Place, Leith, EH6 7EL
>>>>>>> co. no. sc212011
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Andy Bright [mailto:andybri...@gmail.com]
>>>>>>> To: refresh-edinburgh [mailto:refresh-
>>>>>>> edin...@googlegroups.com]
>>>>>>> Subject: [refresh-edinburgh] Re: How much do you charge for
>>>>>>> work?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's important to make a differentiation on how you are
>>>>>>>> working. i.e.
>>>>>>>> either you are working from home and decide the price for the
>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>> and simply derive the number of days/hours bases on that, or
>>>>>>>> you are
>>>>>>>> working on contract full-time in your clients office.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Working from from home you may decide that Ł4000 is fair for
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> project and say that'll be 10 days at Ł400/day, although the
>>>>>>>> work may
>>>>>>>> only actually take you 3 days - you know you've got nothing
>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>> coming up so need to bump up the rate. While in a full-time
>>>>>>>> contract
>>>>>>>> setting you may be looking to drop that day rate to make
>>>>>>>> yourself
>>>>>>>> competitive, safe in the knowledge that you'll get X months
>>>>>>>> of steady
>>>>>>>> work in the bag.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FYI I'm a middleweight IA, with good references and a
>>>>>>>> portfolio of
>>>>>>>> multinational clients - and am currently on a 6 month
>>>>>>>> contract at Ł300/
>>>>>>>> day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 25, 12:19 pm, Dan Frydman <d...@inigo.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've been chatting to a freelance designer / developer who's
>>>>>>>>> at the
>>>>>>>>> Ł65/hr rate which is really high, but he's pretty amazing
>>>>>>>>> and works
>>>>>>>>> with agencies on FTSE 100 company sites that get in .net
>>>>>>>>> magazine,
>>>>>>>>> etc. Not done anything with him yet, but time will tell - I
>>>>>>>>> hope so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 25 May 2010, at 12:08, ewengcameron wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As Dan says, the overheads for a company are much higher.
>>>>>>>>>> If I do
>>>>>>>>>> freelance, its usually around the Ł30/hour mark.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That said, if your skills are in more obscure areas etc,
>>>>>>>>>> you can
>>>>>>>>>> pretty much dictate the rates.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ewen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 12:00 pm, Dan Frydman <d...@inigo.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Martin,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ł60-80/hr is pretty high for a freelancer, unless you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> client sites? We are currently charging Ł60/hour for any
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>>>>> _______________________________________________________
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>>>>> Dan Frydman
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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conclusion that if it's to be worthwhile it needs to be very well
publicised and broad enough to appeal to a broad cross section of
digital peeps. I.e. You'd want devs emailing it to account managers
and them emailing it to designers, etc. In essence it would need to
have strong virility.
If you want that you need a brand, a propsition, press and some nice
visual identity around the whole thing.
My initial idea last year was 'the big Scottish digital survey' and
the proposition was 'how much should you be making'?.
Anyway...
One thing I should mention re freelancing, is that if you haven't
already, get a umbrella company service to take care of your tax and
other legal stuff. The biggest guys are brookson and parasol. I use
brookson because they do free chaps payments, text you when they make
payments and have an iPhone app for doing your timesheets.
Andy.