Google Groups

[Pierre Chapuis]

So Google is shutting down Google Reader. I wouldn't bet on Groups' chances of survival.

Moreover the UI of Groups is really annoying IMO, so it's not much more than a mailing list.

Does anybody else here think it's time to migrate this community to another platform?

What would be the best format in your opinion? Mailing list, forums, a mix of both like it is currently?

Discourse (http://www.discourse.org/) looks interesting, moreover they have Salvatore's head on the front page ;) Also, it's Open Source. Maybe it's the way to go.

What do you think?

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Pierre Chapuis

[Charlie Orford]

Quite a few other OS projects I subscribe to use librelist.com and that
would get my vote. It's sort of like the Redis of mailing list
providers: straight forward, free, compact, easy to use and excellent at
what it does :D

No web interface beyond archives though (which doesn't bother me but I
guess might be a negative for some people).

Charlie

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[Pierre Chapuis]

Le jeudi 14 mars 2013 12:07:13 UTC+1, Charlie Orford a écrit :

Quite a few other OS projects I subscribe to use librelist.com and that
would get my vote. It's sort of like the Redis of mailing list
providers: straight forward, free, compact, easy to use and excellent at
what it does :D

No web interface beyond archives though (which doesn't bother me but I
guess might be a negative for some people).

I have created a list at librelist myself. I like the service but it has

a few issues:

1) You cannot see who subscribed to the list unless they post.

2) There is no administrator. You cannot ban someone.

3) It has been very unstable lately.

Other than that I like it a lot too. The archives have issues that can be

solved by subscribing the list to gmane. 

[Charlie Orford]

Hi Pierre,

Good feedback. I've only ever interacted with it as a user not a list admin so wasn't aware of any of those issues. It's a shame because from the user side it's always worked really well for me.

Looking forward to whatever the solution ends up being as I'm not google groups' biggest fan :)

Charlie

[Alexander Gladysh]

Forums (as web-only UIs) suck, mailing lists rule! :-)

LuaJIT ML is hosted on freelists.org. Have you checked it out?

My 2c,
Alexander.

[Jesús Gabriel y Galán]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Alexander Gladysh <agla...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Forums (as web-only UIs) suck, mailing lists rule! :-)

Yes, please, don't remove the mailing list.

Jesus.

[Pierre Chapuis]

Le jeudi 14 mars 2013 12:41:47 UTC+1, Alexander Gladysh a écrit :

Forums (as web-only UIs) suck, mailing lists rule! :-) 

LuaJIT ML is hosted on freelists.org. Have you checked it out?

Freelists looks nice, I thought Mike was self-hosting.

I agree that a mailing list is better, I just wasn't sure that was the

opinion of everyone here but apparently it is :)

The only problem with mailing lists is that you cannot join the

mailing list and reply to a thread (you must have received an

email to reply correctly).

[Salvatore Sanfilippo]

Hey! Thanks for raising this issue, better to have some plan already.

My idea is that we are better served by a mailing list and not a
forum, and in 15 years of open source software I learned one thing:
after some time you are on your own, so I would replace Google Groups
only with something that I understand very very well and I can
install, manage, with low costs. I'm not sure rails applications
qualify.

Also I'm sure Google will provide some prior notice, so when this
happens I'll setup a mailing list server, or even pay for a ML service
that provides a decent level of support, but doing it now sounds like
a premature optimization :-)

Cheers,
Salvatore

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[Pierpaolo Bernardi]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Pierre Chapuis
<catwell...@catwell.info> wrote:

> So Google is shutting down Google Reader. I wouldn't bet on Groups' chances
> of survival.
> Moreover the UI of Groups is really annoying IMO, so it's not much more than
> a mailing list.

What's the connection between the termination of Google Reader and
this mailing list?
(I see none)

> Does anybody else here think it's time to migrate this community to another
> platform?

Why?

Are you mixing Google Reader with Google Groups?

Cheers
P.

[Pierre Chapuis]

Le jeudi 14 mars 2013 15:31:07 UTC+1, Pierpaolo BERNARDI a écrit :

Are you mixing Google Reader with Google Groups?

You are right, Google is not killing Groups... yet.

However Google's strategy is to kill all of their non-profitable

products. Groups is probably part of the next batch.

Also, I don't like Google Groups. The Web UI is awful

and they force you to have a Google account to subscribe.

Moreover they did something stupid related to Google Branded

(another feature they killed...) that forces me to use the Web UI

to post to the group (not going to expand on this, I doubt many

people have that problem).

That being said I can understand Antirez's answer so I don't

really think it's worth discussing this anymore.

[Matt Palmer]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 03:31:07PM +0100, Pierpaolo Bernardi wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Pierre Chapuis
> <catwell...@catwell.info> wrote:
> > So Google is shutting down Google Reader. I wouldn't bet on Groups' chances
> > of survival.
> > Moreover the UI of Groups is really annoying IMO, so it's not much more than
> > a mailing list.
>
> What's the connection between the termination of Google Reader and
> this mailing list?
> (I see none)

Google have now had two rounds of shutting down services that don't make them
money. Groups doesn't make them much (or any) money. It's not too much of
a leap of faith to suggest that Groups may be on a future list of services
that get shut down.

As an aside, nearly everything about Google Groups gives me the shits. But
this is neither the time nor the place for that.

- Matt

[Josiah Carlson]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Matt Palmer <mpa...@hezmatt.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 03:31:07PM +0100, Pierpaolo Bernardi wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Pierre Chapuis
>> <catwell...@catwell.info> wrote:
>> > So Google is shutting down Google Reader. I wouldn't bet on Groups' chances
>> > of survival.
>> > Moreover the UI of Groups is really annoying IMO, so it's not much more than
>> > a mailing list.
>>
>> What's the connection between the termination of Google Reader and
>> this mailing list?
>> (I see none)
>
> Google have now had two rounds of shutting down services that don't make them
> money. Groups doesn't make them much (or any) money. It's not too much of
> a leap of faith to suggest that Groups may be on a future list of services
> that get shut down.

We all can speculate one way or another about this, trying to guess
what Google's going to do, or even trying to imagine what use there is
for hosting mailing lists for millions of people to a large company.
But speculating about Google shutting down any particular service they
are offering without *any* proof is strictly FUD.

More to the point, discussions about moving away from Google Groups
for *fear* of potential future shutdown is way beyond putting the cart
before the horse; it's buying the cart and letting it sit in the yard
*years* before the horse has even been considered for purchase. Which
is to say: pointless.

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- Josiah the curmudgeon