Quiet, lightweight upholstery electric staple gun
Robert Montgomery
powerful enough to penetrate pine?
I'm an artist and I need to stretch cotton canvas over pine stretcher bars.
I considered buying a quiet Duo-Fast E1C 3118A electric staple gun, but
it's too heavy. I have to hold the stretcher bar frame vertically so I
have one hand to pull the canvas tightly around the bars with canvas
pliers, so my other hand and arm have to be up in the air to fire the
staple gun, so that gun would be too heavy. It weighs 4.2 pounds.
I'm considering a Maestri C7 or #8 electric gun, which are lighter.
Upholster.com says they're powerful enough to shoot staples into most
hardwoods. But I don't know how loud they are. Does anyone know how loud
they are compared to the Duo Fast gun?
I tried the Arrow electric lithium-ion battery cordless electric, but
it's very loud and the staples didn't penetrate the wood all the way.
Thanks.
Robert
SonomaProducts.com
On Mar 25, 10:30 am, Robert Montgomery <info-bl...@northern-data-
Sonny
Excellent air stapler and it uses a variety of staple brands (Senco C,
FASCO 7C, BEA 71, and others).
Sonny
Chris Friesen
> I would go with air power and get a Senco, p-tink.
I hope it's quieter than the medium crown stapler I used to put down
underlayment. It was more like "BLAM!". :)
Chris
notbob
> I hope it's quieter than the medium crown stapler I used to put down
> underlayment. It was more like "BLAM!". :)
Less power, more quiet. More power, less quiet. A simple inverse
relationship that will not change until some company stupidly comes up
with a environmentally audio friendly design that will make the
product even more costly. I suggest foam earplugs:
These EAR earplugs are the best. From high power firing ranges to
NHRA fuel dragsters, this is the one that will save yer ears. Screw
tapered and round-end foam plugs. These are the ones and worth every
freakin' cent!
nb
Robert Montgomery
Which Senco?
And which compressor? I'm concerned about the noise from the
compressors, because I'm in a rental apartment building and I'm
surrounded by other tenants that I'm concerned about disturbing. That's
why I'm leaning toward an electric.
Robert
Robert Montgomery
I'm working in my rental apartment suite, so it's not practical to ask
my neighbours to wear earplugs.
Robert
SonomaProducts.com
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> - Show quoted text -
The ones I use are the blam type but of all the small nail guns and
staple guns I've been around the senco's are the quietest, the porter
cables the loudest. I would say the smallest model that shoots staples
big enough for your task.
I would suppose what they call a pancake compressor would be plenty.
You can often find combo packs.
I just did a google search on "amazon senco stapler and compressor"
and the first hot is an upholstery bundle.
http://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0973-Upholstery-Compressor-Kit/dp/B0002PS87U
FrozenNorth
Someone else may have some other ideas, but if you at least put the
compressor on top of a couple layers or scrap carpet, it will help
nullify some of the vibration going through the floor, when it is
running, not so much for the noise though. Maybe putting the compressor
on a balcony (assuming you have one) will help as well, after all just
the hose & gun have to come inside.
--
Froz...
The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
Sonny
> I just did a google search on "amazon senco stapler and compressor"
>
That bundle looks great. Several upholstery students have similar set-
ups and they are excellent. That compressor won't run too long,
either, for a noise concern, especially if you pad the floor, as
suggested.
If you have a canvas to attach, now, some small tacks should work just
fine. Tacks are still often used in upholstery today, in tight places
the stapler can't reach properly. I wouldn't recommend using aluminum
tacks.
Sonny
Robert Montgomery
>> I just did a google search on "amazon senco stapler and compressor"
>> and the first hot is an upholstery bundle.http://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0973-Upholstery-Compressor-Kit/dp/B0002...- Hide quoted text -
>>
> If you have a canvas to attach, now, some small tacks should work just
> fine. Tacks are still often used in upholstery today, in tight places
> the stapler can't reach properly. I wouldn't recommend using aluminum
> tacks.
>
> Sonny
Thanks, Sonny.
I tried pushpins that I had at home to get an idea if tacks would work,
but the wood is so hard that the prongs hardly penetrated the wood when
I use my fingers, so hammering them in would be a lot of work.
So I returned the package of unopened tacks that I had bought recently
to the hardware store.
Robert
notbob
> Thanks, Chris.
Chris?
Heh... what the Hell, at least it's not bob. ;)
nb
Max
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>I just did a google search on "amazon senco stapler and compressor"
>and the first hot is an upholstery bundle.
>http://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0973-Upholstery-Compressor-Kit/dp/B0002PS87U
I have that compressor and it's not as loud as a vacuum cleaner.
Max
Robert Bonomi
notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
>On 2010-03-25, Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote:
>> Thanks, Chris.
>
>Chris?
he lost an attibution -- your post was to a reply by a Chris.
And I _am_ a "Bob", but I *insist* that people spell it with only one 'o'!
<grin>
Sonny
pressure (regulator) no more than the limit recommended for the staple
gun... or any other air tool you may use with the compressor.
Recommended pressure for a tool should be noted in a tool's manual.
Upholstery students have been known to ruin their staplers by not
paying attention to pressure limits.
Sonny
Larry Jaques
<info-...@northern-data-tech.net> scrawled the following:
>What's a fairly quiet, lightweight upholstery electric staple gun that's
>powerful enough to penetrate pine?
>
>I'm an artist and I need to stretch cotton canvas over pine stretcher bars.
Repeat after me: Electric staple guns don't work reliably.
Get a little compressor, an extra 5 gallon tank, and a $30 Harbor
Freight 1/2" crown stapler (I love mine) and you're in business.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=97572
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=65594
>I considered buying a quiet Duo-Fast E1C 3118A electric staple gun, but
>it's too heavy. I have to hold the stretcher bar frame vertically so I
>have one hand to pull the canvas tightly around the bars with canvas
>pliers, so my other hand and arm have to be up in the air to fire the
>staple gun, so that gun would be too heavy. It weighs 4.2 pounds.
Oh, the HF gun weighs about 2 pounds but feels closer to 1 pound. I
use a lightweight 1/4" air line for the tank. It's even lighter than a
copper cord for a corded tool like my drill.
I've also used my HF 1/4" crown stapler for upholstery to good effect.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=97524
My 3/4HP Ingersoll Rand airless compressor will fill up the tank to
100psi. I can then take the tank and hose anywhere and run about 100
staples from the gun before needing a refill. It stops working well at
roughly 50psi.
Something as small as this might be enough compressor for you.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=90168
These items go on sale at HF all the time and you can often find them
for half price.
--
Challenges are gifts that force us to search for a new center of gravity.
Don't fight them. Just find a different way to stand.
-- Oprah Winfrey
Larry Jaques
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>Thanks, Sonoma.
>
>Which Senco?
>
>And which compressor? I'm concerned about the noise from the
>compressors, because I'm in a rental apartment building and I'm
>surrounded by other tenants that I'm concerned about disturbing. That's
>why I'm leaning toward an electric.
Go with air and build a sonic box to put around the compressor.
Use the stapler to tack carpet inside a plywood box. Fill up the tank
once and use that for hours.
HeyBub
> Thanks, Sonoma.
>
> Which Senco?
>
> And which compressor? I'm concerned about the noise from the
> compressors, because I'm in a rental apartment building and I'm
> surrounded by other tenants that I'm concerned about disturbing.
> That's why I'm leaning toward an electric.
>
Leave the compressor outside and fill a portable air tank (I use a converted
Freon bottle).
basilisk
"Larry Jaques" <lja...@diversify.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:58:48 GMT, the infamous Robert Montgomery
> <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> scrawled the following:
>
>>Thanks, Sonoma.
>>
>>Which Senco?
>>
>>And which compressor? I'm concerned about the noise from the
>>compressors, because I'm in a rental apartment building and I'm
>>surrounded by other tenants that I'm concerned about disturbing. That's
>>why I'm leaning toward an electric.
>
> Go with air and build a sonic box to put around the compressor.
>
> Use the stapler to tack carpet inside a plywood box. Fill up the tank
> once and use that for hours.
What about one of the CO2 tanks to supply the stapler, it sounds
like the OP needs would be fairly minimal and depending
on how sensitive/mean the neighbors are it might be a good
option.
basilisk
Chasgroh
...as a package that looks like a decent deal...after reading the
review I dunno...I have a Porter Cable US58T2 air-stapler that shoots
#7 staples (as opposed to 22 guage crown staples) and it is the bomb.
I bought it because I wasn't happy with a couple of electric units
(probably didn't spend enough money on 'em?). Anyway, I've used it
for light upholstering and even some indoor-outdoor applied to the
deck of my truck...nice tool and great results.
cg
Robert Montgomery
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:30:47 GMT, the infamous Robert Montgomery
> <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> scrawled the following:
>
>> What's a fairly quiet, lightweight upholstery electric staple gun that's
>> powerful enough to penetrate pine?
>>
>> I'm an artist and I need to stretch cotton canvas over pine stretcher bars.
>
> Repeat after me: Electric staple guns don't work reliably.
>
> Get a little compressor, an extra 5 gallon tank, and a $30 Harbor
> Freight 1/2" crown stapler (I love mine) and you're in business.
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=97572
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=65594
>
>
>
>> I considered buying a quiet Duo-Fast E1C 3118A electric staple gun, but
>> it's too heavy. I have to hold the stretcher bar frame vertically so I
>> have one hand to pull the canvas tightly around the bars with canvas
>> pliers, so my other hand and arm have to be up in the air to fire the
>> staple gun, so that gun would be too heavy. It weighs 4.2 pounds.
>
> Oh, the HF gun weighs about 2 pounds but feels closer to 1 pound. I
> use a lightweight 1/4" air line for the tank. It's even lighter than a
> copper cord for a corded tool like my drill.
>
> I've also used my HF 1/4" crown stapler for upholstery to good effect.
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=97524
Thanks, Larry.
That stapler takes minimum 3/4-inch staples, which is at least twice as
long as the longest staples I would use. I want short staples so that I
can extract them easily if they don't seat properly.
>
> My 3/4HP Ingersoll Rand airless compressor will fill up the tank to
> 100psi. I can then take the tank and hose anywhere and run about 100
> staples from the gun before needing a refill. It stops working well at
> roughly 50psi.
How would the extra tank work with the compressor? How much noise do
they make?
> --
> Challenges are gifts that force us to search for a new center of gravity.
> Don't fight them. Just find a different way to stand.
-- Oprah Winfrey
I hate challenges, because they make life very difficult.
--Robert Montgomery
Robert
Robert Montgomery
How often does it have to be noisy when you're stapling? I understand
that the compressor would be noisy only when it's filling with air.
How noisy is it when it's running but not filling with air?
Robert
SonomaProducts.com
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> Max wrote:
> > "SonomaProducts.com" <bwx...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:cf00bc35-f292-49a2-851a-
>
> >> I just did a google search on "amazon senco stapler and compressor"
> >> and the first hot is an upholstery bundle.
>
> > I have that compressor and it's not as loud as a vacuum cleaner.
>
> > Max
>
> How often does it have to be noisy when you're stapling? I understand
> that the compressor would be noisy only when it's filling with air.
>
> How noisy is it when it's running but not filling with air?
>
> Robert
only noisy while pumping full of air. then it shuts off and waits
until drainrd down far enough to need to pump again
Mike Marlow
> Max wrote:
>> "SonomaProducts.com" <bwx...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:cf00bc35-f292-49a2-851a-
>>
>>
>> Max
>
> How often does it have to be noisy when you're stapling? I understand
> that the compressor would be noisy only when it's filling with air.
>
> How noisy is it when it's running but not filling with air?
>
A compressor does not run unless it's to fill air.
--
-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
Max
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> Max wrote:
>> "SonomaProducts.com" <bwx...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:cf00bc35-f292-49a2-851a-
>>
>>
>>
>>> I just did a google search on "amazon senco stapler and compressor"
>>> and the first hot is an upholstery bundle.
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0973-Upholstery-Compressor-Kit/dp/B0002PS87U
>>
>> I have that compressor and it's not as loud as a vacuum cleaner.
>>
>> Max
>
> How often does it have to be noisy when you're stapling? I understand that
> the compressor would be noisy only when it's filling with air.
Correct.
> How noisy is it when it's running but not filling with air?
Once it's filled with air, it's quits running.
> Robert
>
Hmm. It shuts off when the little tank fills. If you're concerned about it
running for a "long" time, get a spare tank to fill as well.
How often the compressor cycles on and off is going to depend on how "fast"
you drive staples.
Max
Larry Jaques
<basi...@invalid.org> scrawled the following:
Yeah, that's one option, depending on the cost of rentals in his area.
But what's he going to do when he finds out he wants to blow toast
crumbs out his baby oven, clean the vacuum, dry his bbq grille, blow
out the garage, and all the other good stuff compressors are for? He'd
go through a whole tank in an hour. ;)
(Yeah, on the porch/balcony, of course.)
Robert Montgomery
Thanks.
So I guess there isn't even one model of electric staple gun on the
whole world that would be suitable for stretching artists' canvas?
If only there were a suitable electric, I could avoid all the hassles of
iimporting from the U.S. to Canada, plus the noise, clutter and lugging
around a heavy compressor in my crowed apartment, building a box with
soundpoofing and maybe even dealing with an extra tank in my crowded
apartment and having the risk of being unhappy with the equipment, in
which case I'd to return it to the store in the U.S. and pay a 20
percent restocking fee.
Robert
Lee Michaels
"Robert Montgomery" wrote
>
> How noisy is it when it's running but not filling with air?
>
you were only going to do this some of the time, why don't you just go to
those air filling stations for the tires. You can then bring the tank home
and staple with that.
You are not building houses or cabinets. Your needs are very modest. That is
what some of the guys who air brush do, they just fill a tank and use that.
I had a friend who had a volkswagon and he got tired of people ignoring him.
So he went to the junk yard and got an air horn from a big Mack truck. He
then installed it in the car and put an air tank in there. The tank drove
the air horn. Let a little air out and the horn made a BIG noise. When he
went by the gas station, he would fill up the air tank. It would last him
for months since the horn wasn't used that much.
And when he used it, it almost caused a panic! People kept looking around
for a big truck! It definitely attracted attention. He was no longer
ignored.
Same thing here. It doesn't take that much air to drive a staple. Unless you
are going into commercial production, a little air will go a long way.
(Kinda like off topic threads on the wreck)
Lee Michaels
your stapler.
I have seen roofers and other tradesmans using tanks for small jobs. It is
quicker and handier than setting up a compressor on site. And I saw one guy
who put an inverter on his pickup and drove a compressor to fill his air
tanks. Again, this is only for small jobs.
And if you are just going to build some frames from time to time, there are
a lot of businesses in your neighborhood who have compressors. See if you
can find somebody who will fill up a tank for five bucks or so. If you
could find such an arrangement, it would be chaeper than buying a compressor
for a couple years or so.
Again, everything depends on your actual air usage. The hardness of the
wood, the length of the staple, the sharpness (quality) of the staple, etc.,
etc. How many frames will you build at one time, etc.
And hey, as an artist, you can paint your tank up to look like some kinda
space age accessory! All the kids will think you are cool.
Robert Montgomery
> "Robert Montgomery" wrote
>> How noisy is it when it's running but not filling with air?
>>
> There is no noise associated with the spare tank. Only with the stapler. If
> you were only going to do this some of the time, why don't you just go to
> those air filling stations for the tires. You can then bring the tank home
> and staple with that.
>
> You are not building houses or cabinets. Your needs are very modest. That is
> what some of the guys who air brush do, they just fill a tank and use that.
>
> Same thing here. It doesn't take that much air to drive a staple. Unless you
> are going into commercial production, a little air will go a long way.
How much do spare tanks weigh? I don't have a car so I'd have to carry
the tank four blocks to the nearest gas station and then back home. I
have a bad back. Just today I had a chiropractic adjustment. I was in a
car accident 15 years ago, which has necessitated 200 medical
appointments and my back has been in constant pain for the last 15 years.
How does the whole thing work? You carry the tank to a gas station, fill
the tank there, bring it home and hook up the gun to the tank and
bypass the compressor? So I wouldn't need a compressor?
I might stretch a canvas every couple of days if they sell well. Some of
them could be as long as six feet and as wide as a foot and-a-half. A
40-inch-long by 18-inch-high canvas requires about a hundred staples, so
that would mean firing 300 or 400 staples per week.
Robert
Robert Montgomery
> Same thing here. It doesn't take that much air to drive a staple. Unless you
> are going into commercial production, a little air will go a long way.
I think I'd need up to 100 p.s.i to run a staple gun.
Robert
Ed Pawlowski
"Robert Montgomery" <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote
> How much do spare tanks weigh? I don't have a car so I'd have to carry the
> tank four blocks to the nearest gas station and then back home. I have a
> bad back. Just today I had a chiropractic adjustment. I was in a car
> accident 15 years ago, which has necessitated 200 medical appointments and
> my back has been in constant pain for the last 15 years.
>
> How does the whole thing work? You carry the tank to a gas station, fill
> the tank there, bring it home and hook up the gun to the tank and bypass
> the compressor? So I wouldn't need a compressor?
>
> I might stretch a canvas every couple of days if they sell well. Some of
> them could be as long as six feet and as wide as a foot and-a-half. A
> 40-inch-long by 18-inch-high canvas requires about a hundred staples, so
> that would mean firing 300 or 400 staples per week.
>
> Robert
It will weigh about 12 pounds or so for a 5 gallon tank. Cost about $60.
Rather than carry it that distance, I'd buy a small compressor and let the
tank fill during the day when your neighbors would not be bothered by it.
Two solutions. Buy a pancake compressor with a large enough tank to hold
you, or buy a smaller compressor and an auxiliary tank to use
http://www.amazon.com/Campbell-Hausfeld-FP2028-Compressor-Accessory/dp/B000BOCBAM/ref=pd_cp_hi_3
Lee Michaels
"Robert Montgomery" wrote
>
> How much do spare tanks weigh?
weigh about 15 - 20 lbs. I have seen them on sale for $20 or so. I would
guess about $30 - $40 usd.
> I don't have a car so I'd have to carry the tank four blocks to the
> nearest gas station and then back home. I have a bad back.
Then get a cart ot hand truck of some kind. Strap it in with some kind of
web strapping. Take your little baby for a walk. Get it filled up. Bring it
home and burp it. Make some art. Life is good.
>
> How does the whole thing work? You carry the tank to a gas station, fill
> the tank there, bring it home and hook up the gun to the tank and bypass
> the compressor? So I wouldn't need a compressor?
>
Right. The air tool uses air. It doesn't care where it gets its air. From a
compressor or a tank. The compressor actually does not drive the gun. The
compressor just fills the tank which drives the gun.
That is why when you have a small compressor and use a tool that uses a lot
of air, the compressor runs all the time or can not keep up. Conversely, if
you use a tool that does not use much air, the compressor comes on rarely.
That is why a tank may work for you. A stapler does not use that much air.
> I might stretch a canvas every couple of days if they sell well. Some of
> them could be as long as six feet and as wide as a foot and-a-half. A
> 40-inch-long by 18-inch-high canvas requires about a hundred staples, so
> that would mean firing 300 or 400 staples per week.
>
Again, since I have no direct experience in running staplers off of an air
tank, you will just need to try it out. If you get a tank from a place that
will take it back, you can always buy a tank and try it out. If it doesn't
work, just bring it back.
But it is a tank or a compressor. With one, you have to build a special box
for it. With the other, you have to go on air runs. Each has it problems.
You have to decide what is best for you.
Lee Michaels
compressor to run the gun.
Personally, what I would do is to approach your neighbors and tell them that
you will be making some noise once or twice a week for a few minutes. Then
schedule it around those times. Make sure you have enough frames on hand to
not have to do this any other time than the agreed to times.
Just buy a baby (pancake) compressor, not screw around with the tanks and
just make a little noise now and then. And if it is still too lound, build a
soudproof box to keep it in. As an artist, you can make the box look any way
you want. For that matter, you can paint the compressor and stapler too!
Hey, you know that life is complicated for an artist! There would no art if
there were no such stresses and complications in life.
Be an artist. Suck it up. Get it done. Be a macho sumbitch. ;-)
Robert Montgomery
> Just buy a baby (pancake) compressor,
Are pancakes better than hotdogs?
Frozen North here recommended the Senco PC0973 Upholstery Compressor
Combo Kit, which comes with a one-gallon, one-half horsepower, hotdog
compressor
(http://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0973-Upholstery-Compressor-Kit/dp/B0002PS87U).
How does that hotdog compare to the Campbell Hausfeld FP2028 1-Gallon
Oil-Free Pancake Air Compressor With Accessory kit that Ed recommended
(http://www.amazon.com/Campbell-Hausfeld-FP2028-Compressor-Accessory/dp/B000BOCBAM/ref=pd_cp_hi_3
)?
Robert
Larry Jaques
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I shoot half inchers it mine all the time. <shrug> For canvas, I
think I'd prefer the (97572) 1/2" crown stapler. That's what I use for
most upholstery work, like the barstool seatcovers and my dining set
chairs. It's a nice little stapler, and is quieter than the others.
>> My 3/4HP Ingersoll Rand airless compressor will fill up the tank to
>> 100psi. I can then take the tank and hose anywhere and run about 100
>> staples from the gun before needing a refill. It stops working well at
>> roughly 50psi.
>
>How would the extra tank work with the compressor? How much noise do
>they make?
Ingy is noisy, as most airlesses are. I hook the tank up to the
compressor and fill it, then turn the compressor off and use the tank
wherever.
I keep saying I'm going to build the sonic box for my big HF
compressor but I never get around to it. I step over the carpet for
it all the time. <sigh> It's essentially a pair of open-ended, open-
bottomed boxes, one larger than the other by 4" in width and 4" in
height. The openings let air in (for cooling the compressor and
providing the compressed air) and the carpeted innards take out about
9DB of noise, so the compressor is one eighth as noisy.
I should do that this weekend. I need to move that plywood anyway.
<g>
>> --
>> Challenges are gifts that force us to search for a new center of gravity.
>> Don't fight them. Just find a different way to stand.
> -- Oprah Winfrey
>
>I hate challenges, because they make life very difficult.
> --Robert Montgomery
Wuss. ;)
--
"Not always right, but never uncertain." --Heinlein
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Larry Jaques
<info-...@northern-data-tech.net> scrawled the following:
>Lee Michaels wrote:
Ingy runs up to 100psi. The staplers want up to 90psi, but I pump 100
through them with the little tank filled from Ingy.
I used the stapler/nailer today with 1-1/4" nails, trimming out a
6'x23' deck on one tank. Half-round around the bottoms of the posts
and along the house and door threshold. I still had 72psi left after
shooting, hmm, maybe 60 nails. It takes about 5 minutes to fill,
getting noisier as the pump works harder at the top psi.
Larry Jaques
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>Max wrote:
>> "SonomaProducts.com" <bwx...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:cf00bc35-f292-49a2-851a-
>>
>>
>>
>>> I just did a google search on "amazon senco stapler and compressor"
>>> and the first hot is an upholstery bundle.
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0973-Upholstery-Compressor-Kit/dp/B0002PS87U
>>>
>>
>> I have that compressor and it's not as loud as a vacuum cleaner.
>>
>> Max
>
>Thanks.
>
>So I guess there isn't even one model of electric staple gun on the
>whole world that would be suitable for stretching artists' canvas?
>
>If only there were a suitable electric, I could avoid all the hassles of
Well, for 3/8" x 3/8" staples into softwood, you might be OK with an
electric, but as you said, they're heavier. You really shouldn't need
400 staples for a 6-foot frame, though.
>iimporting from the U.S. to Canada, plus the noise, clutter and lugging
Canuckistani, are ya? Go to www.PrincessAuto.com for these things.
Hmm, limited supply. Know any friends at the border? Find a nearby
Harbor Freight store.
>around a heavy compressor in my crowed apartment, building a box with
>soundpoofing and maybe even dealing with an extra tank in my crowded
>apartment and having the risk of being unhappy with the equipment, in
>which case I'd to return it to the store in the U.S. and pay a 20
>percent restocking fee.
Build a little cart for the compressor and sonic box so they're on
casters for easy movement.
Puckdropper at dot
>
> How much do spare tanks weigh? I don't have a car so I'd have to carry
> the tank four blocks to the nearest gas station and then back home. I
> have a bad back. Just today I had a chiropractic adjustment. I was in
> a car accident 15 years ago, which has necessitated 200 medical
> appointments and my back has been in constant pain for the last 15
> years.
Shipping weight on this one is 18 lbs:
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200319119_200319119
Take a pound or two off for packaging, and it's probably pretty close.
(It happened to be the first one I found.)
> How does the whole thing work? You carry the tank to a gas station,
> fill
> the tank there, bring it home and hook up the gun to the tank and
> bypass the compressor? So I wouldn't need a compressor?
Exactly. The gas station is providing the compressor. Just make sure
the tank has a tire-style valve on it.
> I might stretch a canvas every couple of days if they sell well. Some
> of them could be as long as six feet and as wide as a foot and-a-half.
> A 40-inch-long by 18-inch-high canvas requires about a hundred
> staples, so that would mean firing 300 or 400 staples per week.
>
> Robert
At 300-400 staples a week, I'd definately look in to getting a small
compressor. The small ones often don't make much noise (no worse than a
vacuum) and will run just about any air nailer you care to throw at it.
(The size you're likely to use will probably shoot 20-30 staples before
cycling.)
I have a 5 gallon tank I use for my air brush. It lets me have several
minutes of run time before I have to take it back over to the compressor
and fill it up. It can be a hassle to take it to a gas station and fill
it if you have to every day.
If you start with the tank and find you need more air reserve, you can
hook the tank to the compressor and have more standby air. (More time
between cycles, but longer cycles.)
Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
Mike Marlow
>
> So I guess there isn't even one model of electric staple gun on the
> whole world that would be suitable for stretching artists' canvas?
>
> If only there were a suitable electric, I could avoid all the hassles
> of iimporting from the U.S. to Canada, plus the noise, clutter and
> lugging around a heavy compressor in my crowed apartment, building a
> box with soundpoofing and maybe even dealing with an extra tank in my
> crowded apartment and having the risk of being unhappy with the
> equipment, in which case I'd to return it to the store in the U.S.
> and pay a 20 percent restocking fee.
>
Yeahbut look at the cool stuff you'd have! I do agree with you though. For
what you need, I'd be looking at an electric stapler too. I don't use them
so I really can't offer you any advice on brand/model, but your application
should really not pose any great challenge to a decent stapler.
Take a piece of wood that you use for your frames, a bit of canvas, and head
to your nearest Home Depot. Tell the associate in the Hardware department
that you want to try a stapler or two. He'll probably recommend a model or
two from the line up that will work best for your needs, and you can compare
them. Take the one you like the best up to the cash registers, and consider
that a job well done.
--
-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
Ed Pawlowski
Senco has a very good reputation.
The differences are in output. The Senco is a bit higher, about .75 cfm as
opposed to the .39 of the CH model. More money = more capacity. The
higher the output, the shorter the run time to build air pressure. I don't
know the corresponding noise levels though. Either one will suit your
needs, the more expensive on will do so a little faster.
Max
Hmm. You're beginning to sound as if you've made up your mind.
You're probably right , Robert.
Ain't no way you're going to find the ideal solution.
Electric staplers aren't strong enough.
Air staplers are too expensive.
Compressors are too noisy.
Air tanks are too heavy and a nuisance to take to get filled.
You should just give up and go to work at MacDonalds.
Max
Robert Montgomery
>
> I have a 5 gallon tank I use for my air brush. It lets me have several
> minutes of run time before I have to take it back over to the compressor
> and fill it up.
Thanks, Puckdropper.
I'm curious to know why your compressor alone wouldn't have enough air
to power your airbrush. I airbrushed about 20 years ago, using a little
Badger compressor and there was no cycling; I was able to work
uninterrupted because there was no loss of air pressure from the
compressor. There was a constant, quiet purr from the motor as long as
the compressor was plugged into an outlet. Maybe you're using a big,
more powerful airbrush that requires more air?
It can be a hassle to take it to a gas station and fill
> it if you have to every day.
I agree. I think I'd rather buy a compressor and try to get a box made
for it, cover the inside with carpet scraps as suggested and station the
boxed compressor my balcony. (As long as the hose would be at least 15
feet long, because that's how far the hose would have to stretch to
reach my stapling workstation.)
Robert
FrozenNorth
slinky type
hoses, I know mine did. FWIW mine is a 6.5 gallon Bostitch kit that
came with a brad
nailer & staple gun. Used that POS hose once, replaced it with a 25`
Paslode hose
and have never looked back.
--
Froz...
The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
Robert Montgomery
I haven't made up my mind. I'm looking at all possibilities. That's also
called brainstorming. Brainstorming means being open to all
possibilities It's also known as "thinking outside the box".
I'll give you an example. When I was researching mounting art prints on
a board, most people I consulted insisted that drymounting is the only
way to go. Drymounting was not a good solution for me because it
requires a large, expensive vaccuum table which I don't have enough
space for, and contracting out the drymounting would not be a good
option because I'd have to rely on an off-site sub-contractor and
frequent trips off-site.
By researching thoroughly and keeping my options open, I found a
suitable alternative: gluing the art prints to Gatorboard (that I
custom-cut form four-by-eight foot Gatorboard sheets) using an art
knife, and gluing the art prints to the board with an archival,
museum-grade acrylic co-polymer adhesive and ordering custom picture
frame from a wholesale picture framer.
Also, I have to research carefully because often people's
recommendations are bad. I went with people's recommendations and so far
they've all been unsuitable. Recommended to me were manual Stanley
Sharpshooter staplers, manual Sears Craftsman Easy-Fire staplers, manual
Arrow JT-21 staplers and Arrow electric lithium-ion. I tried them all
and none of them turned out to be good solutions and I ended up
returning three out of those four staplers. (I'm still using the Arrow
JT-21 manual.)
Being a picky perfectionist has helped me to become a successful artist.
And why should I give up and work at McDonald's? About a million dollars
worth of my art and associated picture framing have sold. Ain't no way
I'm giving up to work at McDonald's! (I will occasionally eat McDonald's
food, though, when I feel like pigging out. :-))
Robert
Puckdropper at dot
> Puckdropper wrote:
>
>>
>> I have a 5 gallon tank I use for my air brush. It lets me have
>> several minutes of run time before I have to take it back over to the
>> compressor and fill it up.
>
> Thanks, Puckdropper.
>
> I'm curious to know why your compressor alone wouldn't have enough air
> to power your airbrush. I airbrushed about 20 years ago, using a
> little Badger compressor and there was no cycling; I was able to work
> uninterrupted because there was no loss of air pressure from the
> compressor. There was a constant, quiet purr from the motor as long as
> the compressor was plugged into an outlet. Maybe you're using a big,
> more powerful airbrush that requires more air?
>
The air compressor does a fine job running the air brush, but it's
usually in the garage close to the nailers rather than out in the back
building near the air brush.
>> It can be a hassle to take it to a gas station and fill
>> it if you have to every day.
>
> I agree. I think I'd rather buy a compressor and try to get a box made
> for it, cover the inside with carpet scraps as suggested and station
> the boxed compressor my balcony. (As long as the hose would be at
> least 15 feet long, because that's how far the hose would have to
> stretch to reach my stapling workstation.)
>
> Robert
A 25' coil hose costs about $10 [US] from Lowes, so even if your
compressor comes with a short hose you can simply purchase the one you
want. Almost everything uses the 1/4" connectors (except the really big
stuff), so there's a good chance if you buy something it'll fit.
FrozenNorth
I always felt it was pulling back on me, so just went with a 25 foot
straight hose, I coil it up and put it on a hook in my shop with the
extension cords at the end of the day.
Puckdropper at dot
@news.eternal-september.org:
> You actually like those coil houses (what I called a slinky above).
>
> I always felt it was pulling back on me, so just went with a 25 foot
> straight hose, I coil it up and put it on a hook in my shop with the
> extension cords at the end of the day.
>
The original one on the compressor would go back to it's 3' length. It
would be the one that pulled back on you. The new one from Lowes has
stretched to about 10' and doesn't pull back very hard at all.
From what little experience I've had with hoses and much more with
extension cords, it seems the coil hose works better for my usage style.
The air compressor stays in one place and the hose is pulled where it's
needed and then the end is returned back to the air compressor. The rest
of the hose follows naturally.
FrozenNorth
work of course.
I like to be able to put the nail gun down, expect it to stay there, so
I can come back with the next piece, pick it up and carry on. In the
case of upholstery, which is what started this thread, I can see the
advantage in that as well since you can put the tool down, pull/adjust
the fabric and the tool is still there.
Not trying to argue (enough of that in here lately), just different
stokes, different folks.
Robert Montgomery
> "Robert Montgomery" <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote in message
> news:Pzfrn.187$z%6.139@edtnps83...
>> Lee Michaels wrote:
>>> "Robert Montgomery" wrote
>>>> How noisy is it when it's running but not filling with air?
>>
>
> Hmm. You're beginning to sound as if you've made up your mind.
If I had made up my mind, I wouldn't continue to ask questions.
Robert
Bill
> Max wrote:
>> "Robert Montgomery" <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote in message
>> news:Pzfrn.187$z%6.139@edtnps83...
>>> Lee Michaels wrote:
>>>> "Robert Montgomery" wrote
>>>>> How noisy is it when it's running but not filling with air?
>>>
>>> How much do spare tanks weigh? Robert
>
>>
>> Hmm. You're beginning to sound as if you've made up your mind.
>
> If I had made up my mind, I wouldn't continue to ask questions.
>
> Robert
If you would like an unbiased opinion: based on what I read, I'd try the
compressor--
maybe with an extra tank. Good luck!
Larry Jaques
<info-...@northern-data-tech.net> scrawled the following:
>Max wrote:
Robert, if you're a millionaire, why the hell are you renting, and
why quibble over this? Just Do It!
Robert Montgomery
> On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 16:14:11 GMT, the infamous Robert Montgomery
> <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> scrawled the following:
>
>>>> Robert
> -=-=-
I didn't even vaguely imply that I'm a millionaire. Quite the opposite;
I'm broke because of the Great Recession, as I've dubbed it, and my
industry has been particularly hard-hit worldwide because I produce
luxury items. That's especially why I need to be careful with purchasing
decisions.
Only people who are naive about running a business would assume that a
farmer, real estate agent, musician, artist - or whatever occupation -
who has been responsible for the sales and spin-off sales (picture
framing in my case) of a million dollars worth of their products is a
millionaire.
You're confusing gross sales with net profit.
And even if I had personally gotten the million dollars – which I didn't
– you're assuming that I still have all of the money I earned, which I
don't.
I also wrote that part of the million dollars was for "associated
picture framing". I didn't get any of that money, and it accounts for
about $750,000 of the million. But the fact the picture framers and
retail art buyers were willing to pay $750,000 for the framing of my art
shows that I created and published shows that I generally know what I'm
doing and that it's an insult to be told that I should give up my career
to work at McDonald's – simply because I'm pointing out drawbacks of
various options and resaearching carefully before deciding what
equipment to buy.
> "Not always right, but never uncertain." --Heinlein
That attitude implies that there are only blacks and whites, whereas in
fact most issues are various shades of gray. It's a simplistic viewpoint.
Your gross misinterpretation in assuming that I'm a millionaire because
I wrote a million dollars worth of my art – and the picture framing that
went with it - has sold, clearly shows why the attitude "Not always
right, but never uncertain" is foolish, because you haven't considered
all of the various, possible gray areas that can apply to my statement
that a million dollars worth of my products and associated products have
sold.
Robert
ChairMan
Robert Montgomery <info-...@northern-data-tech.net>spewed forth:
Robert,
Check the pawn shops, you can find some good deals there.
What part of the country are you in? I'll send ya a staple gun.
If your only doing a few frames a week, do them during the day when most
people are at work and you shouldn't have to worry about the noise.
It shouldn't take more than an hour or so to stretch several many frames.
Do you need a wide crown
http://www.itwindfast.com/fasteners/index.cfm/fastenerseriesID/1/Staples/Heavy-Wire/1700-Series/
or medium/fine wire?
http://www.itwindfast.com/fasteners/index.cfm/subTypeID/3/Staples/Fine-Wire/
Bill
>
> And even if I had personally gotten the million dollars – which I didn't –
> you're assuming that I still have all of the money I earned, which I
> don't.
You've convinced me even, before I read all this, that you are someone
who will get their money's worth from a compressor. Indeed, it sounds
like you can't afford not to own one (unless you know where you can borrow
one). FWIW, I would get an "oil-free" model. Good luck!
Bill
Larry Jaques
<info-...@northern-data-tech.net> scrawled the following:
Robert, haven't you heard of Robert Heinlein, the famous science
fiction author? That's his humorous wit. Don't you like it?
OK, you said nothing about selling real estate <g> but when you said
"my art" I figured it was -your- artistry on top of -your- framing so
-you- were the majority shareholder in its sale. Shame on you for
misleading me, eh? I doubt I was the only one here which was misled.
Ciao!
--
"Not always right, but never uncertain." --Heinlein
-=-=-
Robert Montgomery
> Do you need a wide crown
> http://www.itwindfast.com/fasteners/index.cfm/fastenerseriesID/1/Staples/Heavy-Wire/1700-Series/
> or medium/fine wire?
> http://www.itwindfast.com/fasteners/index.cfm/subTypeID/3/Staples/Fine-Wire/
Thanks, Chairman.
I don't know if I need a wide or medium crown for artist's canvas
stretching. This is one of the things that's been troubling me.
I read somewhere that the wide crowns hold the fabric better.
Sometimes in humid weather the cotton canvas will loosen, requiring the
canvas to be removed from the stretcher bars and re-stretched, but I
don't know if having wide crowns would hold the fabric tightly enough to
reduce the loosening of the canvas.
Robert
Robert Montgomery
> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:14:03 GMT, the infamous Robert Montgomery
> <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> scrawled the following:
>
>
> Robert, haven't you heard of Robert Heinlein, the famous science
> fiction author? That's his humorous wit. Don't you like it?
>>
>> --
>> "Not always right, but never uncertain." --Heinlein
>> -=-=-
I see. You didn't put a smiley after the joke, so I didn't know it was a
joke.
I read some of his books when I was young, actually.
Robert M.
Robert Montgomery
> ChairMan wrote:
>
>> Do you need a wide crown
>> http://www.itwindfast.com/fasteners/index.cfm/fastenerseriesID/1/Staples/Heavy-Wire/1700-Series/
>>
>> or medium/fine wire?
>> http://www.itwindfast.com/fasteners/index.cfm/subTypeID/3/Staples/Fine-Wire/
>
>
> Thanks, Chairman.
>
> I don't know if I need a wide or medium crown for artist's canvas
> stretching. This is one of the things that's been troubling me.
>
I heard of a picture framer who prefers one-quarter-inch-long tines so
that he can pull the staples out of the wood if they're not seated
properly, but most of the pneumatics I've been recommended have as their
minimum tine-length 3/8ths of an inch.
And somebody in this thread even recommended a gun that shoots staples
that have tines that are a minimum of 3/4ths of an inch, which is at
least double the length that they have to be to shoot staples into
artists' stretcher bars.
Robert
Max
He's baaack!!
scritch
> I had a friend who had a volkswagon and he got tired of people ignoring him.
> So he went to the junk yard and got an air horn from a big Mack truck.
>
>
My brother brought home an electric truck horn once. He was afraid to
hook it up so I touched the wires to the battery of my dad's Traveall.
Just about peed my pants it was so loud. Dropped the dang thing and
both of us just stared at each other.
Robert Montgomery
I thought that sounded like a good idea, so I called the nearest Home
Depot and asked if I could test some the staple guns with a compressor
while in the store. The salesman told me the closest one they have to
what I need is a Paslode 3/8ths inch, 22 gauge model that weighs three
pounds.
He said he doesn't think they have anything lighter. Three pounds is too
heavy for me to hold up in the air and shoot horizontally. (I can't
rest the gun on the wood and shoot down, so I want a lighter one.)
Maybe I'll import the Senco combo package instead. They don't have any
locally.
Robert
Larry Jaques
<thesam...@sbcglobal.net> scrawled the following:
I can see now that it's a true million dollar troll, can't you? <sigh>
Now engaging th' twit filter, Cap'n!
--
Everything I did in my life that was worthwhile I caught hell for.
-- Earl Warren
Robert Montgomery
FWIW, I would get an "oil-free" model. Good luck!
>
>
> Bill
Why oil-free? Someone wrote that oil-free models tend to be louder than
oil models, and I want to get one that's a s quiet as possible.
Robert
Robert Montgomery
I'm trying to learn and make the best choices.
Why are you and Max ridiculing me and calling me an impostor?
I haven't written anything to imply that I'm an impostor.
Why should I not delve deeply, when I get stupid advice like that I
should use a stapler whose minimum staple length is three-quarters of an
inch long? I got that advice in this thread I've never heard of anyone
shooting such long staples into artists' canvas. They would be almost
impossible to extract from the wood.
AResearch takes time. It takes time especially when people make stupid
assumptions, such as assuming that someone with a million dollars wroth
of sales is a millionaire. Of course, people who make stupid assumptions
like that are going to make stupid assumptions about staple guns, air
compressors and air tanks as well, so I'm just being careful to try to
communicate clearly and make the right choices. There's nothing wrong
with that.
I've followed the advice of many other people in other newsgroups, as
well and much of it turned out to be wrong, and as always happens, much
of the advice is conflicting (i.e. buy a tank and compressor, or buy a
compressor only). So the adage applies here: "Once bitten, twice shy"
and "Look before you leap". I get the impression that these concepts are
foreign to you and Max; you just blindly leap without knowing what the
hell you're getting into. Problem is, that usually ends up with bad
results.
Since you don't have the patience for in-depth analysis involving a
beginner, it's better simply to not read the thread, instead of reading
it, becoming angry at me and insulting me and making the absurd insult
that I'm a mischief-maker.
I've noticed this bizarre, tiresome phenomenon on other newsgroups too;
every time I delve deeply into a topic, some folks lose patience and
make the crazy assumption that my purpose in writing is to make
mischief. It can take a lot of patience to train beginners. Clearly you
and Max lack that patience. So simply stop reading, and then you won't
get angry and make your silly, paranoid impostor insults! No one's
forcing you to read my letters here.
I already wrote in this thread that I bought four stapler on the
recommendations of other people, and that they all turned out to be bad
choices, yet that message apparently didn't get through to you and Max;
you want me to just buy another one with scant information at hand, and
then have to return that one to the store as well, so that my
frustration is increased and my search continues.
Instead of being a mischief-maker, I'm simply someone who's trying to
research so I can make the best choice. To accuse me of being a
mischief-maker is superficial thinking and implies paranoia as well.
Robert
Bill
I wasn't aware of the volume difference. I was trying to direct you towards
one which is low in maintenance--the oil models need need to be maintained
much like as an appliance such as a lawnmower. However, I believe the oil
models are less expensive. Hope you'll mention what you end up choosing and
how it works out!
Best,
Bill
Bill
"Bill" <Bill_...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hovtk...@news2.newsguy.com...
Suggestion: Buy a compressor first, then it you decide you want one, buy a
tank later.
Robert Montgomery
>>> He's baaack!!
>>
>> I can see now that it's a true million dollar troll, can't you? <sigh>
>> Now engaging th' twit filter, Cap'n!
>>
>> --
>
> I'm trying to learn and make the best choices.
>
> Why are you and Max ridiculing me and calling me an impostor?
>
> I haven't written anything to imply that I'm an impostor.
>
>
> Why should I not delve deeply, when I get stupid advice like that I
> should use a stapler whose minimum staple length is three-quarters of an
> inch long? I got that advice in this thread I've never heard of anyone
> shooting such long staples into artists' canvas. They would be almost
> impossible to extract from the wood.
You also made the careless mistake of writing a joke – that wasn't
clearly a joke – in your sig line, without putting a smiley behind it,
thus leaving it open to misinterpretation. "Not always right, but never
uncertain." That example of carelessness also demonstrates why I have to
be careful in the decisions that I make, based on the recommendations of
others. Since you are careless with your signature line, you can be
careless with your advice regarding my equipment and supplies needs as well.
The snide insults I got from you and Max remind me of the immature
bullying of elementary and high school bullies. You've shown impatience,
rudeness and immaturity in dismissing me as a prankster. Grow up!
Robert
dpb
...
> I wasn't aware of the volume difference. I was trying to direct you towards
> one which is low in maintenance--the oil models need need to be maintained
> much like as an appliance such as a lawnmower. However, I believe the oil
> models are less expensive. ...
I'd agree that an oilless will be significantly noisier than a
comparably-sized oiler compressor.
I'd not put much stock on the amount of routine maintenance an oil
compressor will have--it's certainly not using oil in the same way as a
combustion engine and rarely needs any attention.
Cost will depend more on capacity than oil/no-oil I think altho oilless
compressors are smaller and hence less expensive as a general comparison
of types/styles overall.
If noise is an issue, any compressor will make some and there's probably
not a lot of actual difference in level. I think oilless tend to be
more annoying in the noise they do make, however, as well as being loud.
The 5-hp upright (oil, of course) isn't nearly as annoying as the
little 2HP or so Lowe's-special Campbell-Hausfield oilless.
I've not had one of the pancakes of anybody's so can't really compare there.
--
Larry Jaques
<info-...@northern-data-tech.net> scrawled the following:
>Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:48:59 -0600, the infamous "Max"
>> <thesam...@sbcglobal.net> scrawled the following:
>>
>>> "Robert Montgomery" <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> wrote in message
>>> news:N%qsn.557$Z6.226@edtnps82...
>>>> ChairMan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do you need a wide crown
>>>>> http://www.itwindfast.com/fasteners/index.cfm/fastenerseriesID/1/Staples/Heavy-Wire/1700-Series/
>>>>> or medium/fine wire?
>>>>> http://www.itwindfast.com/fasteners/index.cfm/subTypeID/3/Staples/Fine-Wire/
>>>> Thanks, Chairman.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if I need a wide or medium crown for artist's canvas
>>>> stretching. This is one of the things that's been troubling me.
>>>>
>>>> I read somewhere that the wide crowns hold the fabric better.
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes in humid weather the cotton canvas will loosen, requiring the
>>>> canvas to be removed from the stretcher bars and re-stretched, but I don't
>>>> know if having wide crowns would hold the fabric tightly enough to reduce
>>>> the loosening of the canvas.
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>> He's baaack!!
>>
>> I can see now that it's a true million dollar troll, can't you? <sigh>
>> Now engaging th' twit filter, Cap'n!
>
>I'm trying to learn and make the best choices.
>
>Why are you and Max ridiculing me and calling me an impostor?
>
>I haven't written anything to imply that I'm an impostor.
Didn't you imply that you'd had a million dollars worth of sales? And
now you're admitting that you didn't stretch the canvas tightly enough
in the first place to keep it from drooping when there's a bit of
humidity in the air? Sheesh!
>Why should I not delve deeply, when I get stupid advice like that I
>should use a stapler whose minimum staple length is three-quarters of an
>inch long? I got that advice in this thread I've never heard of anyone
>shooting such long staples into artists' canvas. They would be almost
>impossible to extract from the wood.
I said that stapler _could_ work and that I'd used 1/2" staples in
that model, despite what you read. If you don't want to try it, don't.
But don't just sit there and repeatedly whine about it, Robert.
<shrug>
>AResearch takes time. It takes time especially when people make stupid
>assumptions, such as assuming that someone with a million dollars wroth
>of sales is a millionaire. Of course, people who make stupid assumptions
>like that are going to make stupid assumptions about staple guns, air
>compressors and air tanks as well, so I'm just being careful to try to
>communicate clearly and make the right choices. There's nothing wrong
>with that.
>
>I've followed the advice of many other people in other newsgroups, as
>well and much of it turned out to be wrong, and as always happens, much
>of the advice is conflicting (i.e. buy a tank and compressor, or buy a
>compressor only).
Yeah, different people need different tools for their own situations.
But it sounds like you need to do ALL your research first, before
buying any more tools. Have you called any compressor manufacturers
yet?
>So the adage applies here: "Once bitten, twice shy"
>and "Look before you leap". I get the impression that these concepts are
>foreign to you and Max; you just blindly leap without knowing what the
>hell you're getting into. Problem is, that usually ends up with bad
>results.
Hell, no. I research the -spit- out of most things before investing
money into them. My mama din't raise no foo.
Might I suggest one last thing? Talk to other art framers and see
what they've tried and didn't like, what they use, and why they use
their current tools. I won't post on this subject again.
>Since you don't have the patience for in-depth analysis involving a
>beginner, it's better simply to not read the thread, instead of reading
>it, becoming angry at me and insulting me and making the absurd insult
>that I'm a mischief-maker.
A million dollars worth of framing sold and you're still a beginner?
Who could have guessed?
>I've noticed this bizarre, tiresome phenomenon on other newsgroups too;
>every time I delve deeply into a topic, some folks lose patience and
>make the crazy assumption that my purpose in writing is to make
>mischief. It can take a lot of patience to train beginners. Clearly you
>and Max lack that patience. So simply stop reading, and then you won't
>get angry and make your silly, paranoid impostor insults! No one's
>forcing you to read my letters here.
That's true. When people add to their list of requirements -after-
requesting info, it gets a bit tedious. And the only reason I'm
seeing this is that I forgot to twit filter you like I was going to.
But you've got to remember that you are requesting favors of people
and, especially if you cop an attitude, their patience may not last
through an extended learning curve (such as I'm seeing with you.)
>I already wrote in this thread that I bought four stapler on the
>recommendations of other people, and that they all turned out to be bad
>choices, yet that message apparently didn't get through to you and Max;
>you want me to just buy another one with scant information at hand, and
>then have to return that one to the store as well, so that my
>frustration is increased and my search continues.
Oh, come on. I made several suggestions and you blew 'em off. That's
fine. Do as you like, but don't whine.
>Instead of being a mischief-maker, I'm simply someone who's trying to
>research so I can make the best choice. To accuse me of being a
>mischief-maker is superficial thinking and implies paranoia as well.
Buh bye! I'm off to superficially think paranoid thoughts of other
people. ;)
P.S: Are you limping yet? <wink>
--
May those who love us, love us;
And may those that don't love us,
May God turn their hearts;
And if he doesn't turn their hearts,
may he turn their ankles,
So we'll know them by their limping.
--old Gaelic blessing
Bill
> Bill wrote:
> ....
jpb, Thank you for taking the time to explain some of these things.
Much of my opinion was based on reading a few dozen reviews at Amazon,
Sears, and other places. I would value "less annoying noise" and am
glad to learn it is an option! : )
Bill
Robert Montgomery
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:25:51 GMT, the infamous Robert Montgomery
> <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> scrawled the following:
>
>>>>>
>>>>> stretching. This is one of the things that's been troubling me.
>>>>>
>>>>> I read somewhere that the wide crowns hold the fabric better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sometimes in humid weather the cotton canvas will loosen, requiring the
>>>>> canvas to be removed from the stretcher bars and re-stretched, but I don't
>>>>> know if having wide crowns would hold the fabric tightly enough to reduce
>>>>> the loosening of the canvas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>> He's baaack!!
>>> I can see now that it's a true million dollar troll, can't you? <sigh>
>>> Now engaging th' twit filter, Cap'n!
>> I'm trying to learn and make the best choices.
>>
>> Why are you and Max ridiculing me and calling me an impostor?
>>
>> I haven't written anything to imply that I'm an impostor.
>
> Didn't you imply that you'd had a million dollars worth of sales? And
> now you're admitting that you didn't stretch the canvas tightly enough
> in the first place to keep it from drooping when there's a bit of
> humidity in the air? Sheesh!
You're just made two more, superficial, false assumptions by not reading
carefully and not thinking carefully. I DID write above that "Sometimes
in humid weather the cotton canvas will loosen, requiring the canvas to
be removed from the stretcher bars and re-stretched," However, I DID NOT
write that any of those canvasses were mine.
Another false assumption you made: I DID NOT write that any of the
million dollars worth of retail sales of art and framing were for
stretched canvasses of mine. So far, the retail value of the stretched
canvasses of mine that have sold, including framing, accounts for only
about $750 of that $1,000,000.
>> Why should I not delve deeply, when I get stupid advice like that I
>> should use a stapler whose minimum staple length is three-quarters of an
>> inch long? I got that advice in this thread I've never heard of anyone
>> shooting such long staples into artists' canvas. They would be almost
>> impossible to extract from the wood.
>
> I said that stapler _could_ work and that I'd used 1/2" staples in
> that model, despite what you read. If you don't want to try it, don't.
> But don't just sit there and repeatedly whine about it, Robert.
> <shrug>
One-half-inch staples is still too long. I read that one picture framer
prefers one-quarter-inch-long staples in case they don't seat properly,
so he can remove them more easily.
And if you're using 1/2" staples in a gun that's designed for 3/4-inch
staples minimum length, that indicates to me that 1/4 inch MIGHT work
for me, but a red flag goes up in my mind because you're using a product
in a way that the manufacturer didn't intend. To state skepticism isn't
'whining'; it's just common sense, and common sense is based on
information gleaned from experience. Experience has taught me that if
someone else bends the rules, I may – or may not – get away with the
same thing, depending on the circumstances.
>> Research takes time. It takes time especially when people make stupid
>> assumptions, such as assuming that someone with a million dollars wroth
>> of sales is a millionaire. Of course, people who make stupid assumptions
>> like that are going to make stupid assumptions about staple guns, air
>> compressors and air tanks as well, so I'm just being careful to try to
>> communicate clearly and make the right choices. There's nothing wrong
>> with that.
>>
>> I've followed the advice of many other people in other newsgroups, as
>> well and much of it turned out to be wrong, and as always happens, much
>> of the advice is conflicting (i.e. buy a tank and compressor, or buy a
>> compressor only).
>
> Yeah, different people need different tools for their own situations.
> But it sounds like you need to do ALL your research first, before
> buying any more tools. Have you called any compressor manufacturers
> yet?
I emailed Senco about the noise level of the PC0973 combo package and
got the response that the compressor emits 69 decibels.
>> So the adage applies here: "Once bitten, twice shy"
>> and "Look before you leap". I get the impression that these concepts are
>> foreign to you and Max; you just blindly leap without knowing what the
>> hell you're getting into. Problem is, that usually ends up with bad
>> results.
>
> Hell, no. I research the -spit- out of most things before investing
> money into them.
Then why are you criticizing me for doing the same thing? That's hypocrisy.
My mama din't raise no foo.
If that were true, she would have raised you not to be a hypocrite, to
give people the benefit of doubt, and taught you not to jump to
conclusions. She should also have taught you to be polite.
>
> Might I suggest one last thing? Talk to other art framers and see
> what they've tried and didn't like, what they use, and why they use
> their current tools.
I'd already done that. Most of them seem to prefer Porter-Cable
pneumatics, which someone wrote here are the loudest.
>> Since you don't have the patience for in-depth analysis involving a
>> beginner, it's better simply to not read the thread, instead of reading
>> it, becoming angry at me and insulting me and making the absurd insult
>> that I'm a mischief-maker.
>
> A million dollars worth of framing sold and you're still a beginner?
> Who could have guessed?
A beginner at canvas art, yes. There are other forms of art besides
canvas. Who could have guessed that you would think superficially again?
>> I've noticed this bizarre, tiresome phenomenon on other newsgroups too;
>> every time I delve deeply into a topic, some folks lose patience and
>> make the crazy assumption that my purpose in writing is to make
>> mischief. It can take a lot of patience to train beginners. Clearly you
>> and Max lack that patience. So simply stop reading, and then you won't
>> get angry and make your silly, paranoid impostor insults! No one's
>> forcing you to read my letters here.
>
> That's true. When people add to their list of requirements -after-
> requesting info, it gets a bit tedious. And the only reason I'm
> seeing this is that I forgot to twit filter you like I was going to.
> But you've got to remember that you are requesting favors of people
> and, especially if you cop an attitude, their patience may not last
> through an extended learning curve (such as I'm seeing with you.)
As I wrote above, people who lose patience with me can simply stop
reading what I write. That would be better than people continuing to
read, getting angry about my attention to detail and skepticism, and
then insulting me because of their anger.
And something you should realize that others benefit from threads such
as these; Bill expressed gratitude in this thread because he learned
that oil compressors tend to be louder than oilless.
>> I already wrote in this thread that I bought four stapler on the
>> recommendations of other people, and that they all turned out to be bad
>> choices, yet that message apparently didn't get through to you and Max;
>> you want me to just buy another one with scant information at hand, and
>> then have to return that one to the store as well, so that my
>> frustration is increased and my search continues.
>
> Oh, come on. I made several suggestions and you blew 'em off. That's
> fine. Do as you like, but don't whine.
Being a careful shopper isn't whining.
>> Instead of being a mischief-maker, I'm simply someone who's trying to
>> research so I can make the best choice. To accuse me of being a
>> mischief-maker is superficial thinking and implies paranoia as well.
>
> Buh bye! I'm off to superficially think paranoid thoughts of other
> people. ;)
Doesn't surprise me.
> P.S: Are you limping yet? <wink>
And on top of your superficial thinking (a.k.a. stupidity) hyprocrisy,
sarcasem and rudeness, you're cruel as well, by making fun of my
handicap (my back injury). So because you're cruel, I can add "low-life"
and "scumbag" and "asshole" to the adjectives that are appropriate for you.
Robert
Larry Jaques
<info-...@northern-data-tech.net> scrawled the following:
>Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:25:51 GMT, the infamous Robert Montgomery
>> <info-...@northern-data-tech.net> scrawled the following:
>>> Instead of being a mischief-maker, I'm simply someone who's trying to
>>> research so I can make the best choice. To accuse me of being a
>>> mischief-maker is superficial thinking and implies paranoia as well.
>>
>> Buh bye! I'm off to superficially think paranoid thoughts of other
>> people. ;)
>
>Doesn't surprise me.
<g>
>> P.S: Are you limping yet? <wink>
>
>And on top of your superficial thinking (a.k.a. stupidity) hyprocrisy,
>sarcasem and rudeness, you're cruel as well, by making fun of my
>handicap (my back injury). So because you're cruel, I can add "low-life"
>and "scumbag" and "asshole" to the adjectives that are appropriate for you.
Robert, you idiot, I see now more than ever that I should have plonked
you when I mentioned it. People take time out of their day to offer
you their advice and you whine about it, repeatedly.
Note the sig line beneath this message and you MAY discern the humor
in my postscript above. It came right after my PS, so you couldn't
miss the meaning, or so I thought. It was the sig you snipped in order
to write your last paragraph. Whadda maroon. Instead, you took it
personally and out of context. Brilliant.
No reply is necessary as you are now firmly in my killfile. <plonk>
P.S: If you don't thicken your skin on Usenet, you'll continue to be
clueless, continue to distance people, and continue to be unhappy.
Lee Michaels
>>
>>And on top of your superficial thinking (a.k.a. stupidity) hyprocrisy,
>>sarcasem and rudeness, you're cruel as well, by making fun of my
>>handicap (my back injury). So because you're cruel, I can add "low-life"
>>and "scumbag" and "asshole" to the adjectives that are appropriate for
>>you.
>
(And he mispelled sarcasm too.)
Max
Bill
> And something you should realize that others benefit from threads such as
> these; Bill expressed gratitude in this thread because he learned that oil
> compressors tend to be louder than oilless.
I thought I learnt that compressors that use oil may make a "less annoying"
sound
then their oil-less compatriots. Now brethren, I think it's time we bow our
heads in silence
and reflection.
Larry Jaques
<leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> scrawled the following:
I'm a bitch, too. Just ask him. ;)
>(And he mispelled sarcasm too.)
Send him over. I'll staple his dunce hat to his hollow head.
Y'know, to show him how the 1/2" staples actually do fit and work in
the HF 2-in-1 Stapler/Nailer at 100psi. See? I'm not a bad guy.
--
In order that people may be happy in their work, these three things are
needed: They must be fit for it. They must not do too much of it. And
they must have a sense of success in it.
-- John Ruskin, Pre-Raphaelitism, 1850
Stickman
If I may, the earplugs are an easy and obvious fix. I believe we want to know
of more quite compressors for the sake of others. A lot of peoples, including
myself, are earshot near household members, even in apartments....as this is
the modern age of affordability.
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