OT Rant
Leon
many levels and continues to be.
My utmost respect goes out to the armed forces and my deepest sympathies to
the victims and their families.
It was tragic that so many were injured and killed.
It is tragic that the shooter is only being identified as a suspect rather
than "the shooter". Damn it, when there is a room full of eye witnesses
there is no suspect, there is only the one that committed the crime, the
witnesses and the victims, Plain and simple.
It is tragic that when the truth and facts are so blatantly clear that there
will still be days and days of investigations long before there is a trial.
It is tragic that the trial will last for months, maybe years.
It is tragic in this case that there will be a need for a trial.
It is tragic that our country has been steered to believe that one does not
have to fulfill his obligations or have any accountability.
It is tragic that justice is seldom truly served.
It is tragic that our country is filled with so many spineless and corrupt
politicians that truly rely on the ignorant, which are so easily deceived,
to vote them into office.
It is tragic that those politicians are committed to insuring that their
ignorant constituency becomes even more ignorant with each passing
generation. Think Public Education.
It is tragic that out politicians have appointed themselves as "our
keepers".
It is tragic that there is no longer any honor in winning. Think trophies
for every body and no longer keeping score so that there are no winners.
I am truly grateful that I recognize all of this and know that not so deep
down, evil is fueling all of the tragedies.
Gordon Shumway
wrote:
I couldn't agree with you more. Too many seek to blame "society" or
are too afraid of offending some whiney S.O.B. That's just plain Bull
Shit.
Damn you Leon, now you got me all fired up.
Gordon Shumway
What color do Smurfs become when they hold their breath?
evodawg
Well lets not forget the State Run Media making excuses for this lunatic or
terrorist. Making statements like our policies in Iraq and Afghanistan
caused him to go over the edge. What a bunch of Bull Shit. The guy never
saw any active duty and went to Med School on our dime to the tune of
500,000.00............
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Swingman
> Well lets not forget the State Run Media making excuses for this lunatic or
> terrorist. Making statements like our policies in Iraq and Afghanistan
> caused him to go over the edge. What a bunch of Bull Shit. The guy never
> saw any active duty and went to Med School on our dime to the tune of
> 500,000.00............
This was as much an act of islamic terrorism as 9/11/2001.
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Robatoy
I think it is Revelations that speaks of demons being cast to the
Earth towards the end times. They seem to be landing.....
Mark & Juanita
> evodawg wrote:
>
>> Well lets not forget the State Run Media making excuses for this lunatic
>> or terrorist. Making statements like our policies in Iraq and Afghanistan
>> caused him to go over the edge. What a bunch of Bull Shit. The guy never
>> saw any active duty and went to Med School on our dime to the tune of
>> 500,000.00............
>
> This was as much an act of islamic terrorism as 9/11/2001.
>
Ah, but we wouldn't want to jump to any conclusions until all the facts
are in, would we?
Could we at least say that Hassan "acted stupidly"?
/This PC crap is going to get us all killed
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Leon
"Mark & Juanita" <nos...@hadenough.com> wrote in message
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> Swingman wrote:
>> This was as much an act of islamic terrorism as 9/11/2001.
>>
>
> Ah, but we wouldn't want to jump to any conclusions until all the facts
> are in, would we?
Oh noooooooooooo we surely would not. We cannot trust anyones recount of
what they actually witnessed during the slauder.
We woul surely need to see a video tape form several angles to verify all of
the statements. and if there was no video tape, well, who knows if all of
the witnesses just made all of this up.
> Could we at least say that Hassan "acted stupidly"?
Absolutely. He acted stupidly for joining the armed forces when he had no
intention of fulfilling his obligation. He was very stupid.
A very stupid man. Still he has no excuse for murdering all of those
soldiers.
>
> /This PC crap is going to get us all killed
Politicaly Correct in it self translates to stupidity. Yes it is going to
turn future generations in to the sheep that follow the political figures to
the slauter house.
evodawg
>> /This PC crap is going to get us all killed
>
> Politicaly Correct in it self translates to stupidity. Yes it is going to
> turn future generations in to the sheep that follow the political figures
> to the slauter house.
Think it already has. Did we not all see a year ago the sheep following the
Messiah to the voting booths. I also remember some fainting by just being
in his presence. I have zero confidence in the direction of this country.
J. Clarke
> Leon wrote:
>
>>> /This PC crap is going to get us all killed
>>
>> Politicaly Correct in it self translates to stupidity. Yes it is
>> going to turn future generations in to the sheep that follow the
>> political figures to the slauter house.
>
> Think it already has. Did we not all see a year ago the sheep
> following the Messiah to the voting booths. I also remember some
> fainting by just being in his presence. I have zero confidence in the
> direction of this country.
I wish Obama well, but I think he's going to go down in history as another
Jimmy Carter--a decent man without a clue.
Han
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I ully agree with the above!!
I have never been and hope not ever to be in the position of a
psychiatrist who has been treating PTSD in so many people. I thougth
there was something like a rule that psychiatrists needed to be under the
care of a psychiatrist.
Whether this guy was a muslim, an agnost or right wing christian has
nothing to do with his apparent mental disease.
Just my opinion, YMMV and probably does
--
Best regards
Han
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ups...@teksavvy.com
wrote:
>Think it already has. Did we not all see a year ago the sheep following the
>Messiah to the voting booths. I also remember some fainting by just being
>in his presence. I have zero confidence in the direction of this country.
Despite your insulting rhetoric, there's a huge difference between
people hoping and people turning into sheep as though hypnotized.
Your "Messiah" as you choose to call him offered and does still offer
hope. Sheep as you call them are people without the knowledge to
realize that they're not going down the right path.
Should your Messiah end up bringing your country out of dark chapter
into a profitable world, what will you say?
Of course you'd say that it would have happened anyway. Your arrogance
just wouldn't allow for any other conclusion. Sounds like you're the
sheep to me.
Scott Lurndal
>The shooting that every one has heard about in Fort Hood was tragic on so
>many levels and continues to be.
Is it any more tragic than the fellow in cleveland who murdered 11 women?
Why aren't you ranting about him?
Gordon Shumway
>Sheep as you call them are people without the knowledge to
>realize that they're not going down the right path.
That is exactly what happened. The fact that you don't understand
that point only enforces his "insulting rhetoric."
Leon
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I absolutely totally believe that the economy has run it's course regardless
of who did what, had they done any thing or not. I blame the people for
panicking and bailing out of the stock market and I blame the media and the
Mad Dog guy that you seldom see any more for the panic. The media is
unmatched in the ability of building a mountian out of a mole hill.
Swine flu is still the raging topic. Swine flu has killed 1000 Americans
since Spring. What they don't tell you is that the "Regular" flu has
continued to kill 35,000 Americans since the Spring. I believe that the
comon cold is going to cause more problems that the Swine flu will
discounting the panic that the media has caused.
Leon
"Scott Lurndal" <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote in message
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What is his name?
Markem
He ain't Jimmy. The is a man with a clue and an iron fist under
velvet. How he is going to get everyone to think that he fufilled
they're dream they thought his election promised them will be
interesting to watch. But then the world will end in 2012 so who gives
a damn.
Live and enjoy life
Mark
Leon
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His hardest problem will be getting a lot of people off of the government
checks and have them start working.
We all hope he does well but we have seen this play out before. Eventually
every one has to get a job for a country to prosper, not every one wants a
job.
ups...@teksavvy.com
<Rho...@Planet.Melmac> wrote:
>On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:25:42 -0500, ups...@teksavvy.com wrote:
>
>>Sheep as you call them are people without the knowledge to
>>realize that they're not going down the right path.
>
>That is exactly what happened. The fact that you don't understand
>that point only enforces his "insulting rhetoric."
Possibly so, but whether you want to admit it or not, he also offers
hope and that's pretty powerful. And maybe, just maybe, he'll fulfill
some of that hope. All those running against him were offering was
same old, same old bullshit without promise of anything new or
different.
ups...@teksavvy.com
wrote:
>Swine flu is still the raging topic. Swine flu has killed 1000 Americans
>since Spring. What they don't tell you is that the "Regular" flu has
>continued to kill 35,000 Americans since the Spring. I believe that the
>comon cold is going to cause more problems that the Swine flu will
>discounting the panic that the media has caused.
I agree with you entirely. With the Canadian government making all
sorts of claims and promises without being truly ready and the press
whipping the public into a frenzy of worry, it's no wonder the whole
thing is a monster clusterf**k. And yeah, you're right, the regular
flu kills many more people than the swine flu, only regular flu deaths
haven't been publicized nearly as much. I'll bet that changes now too.
LDosser
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So far all we've seen is same old, same old and an empty suit waving in the
wind ...
Or as someone put it - Bush Light.
ups...@teksavvy.com
wrote:
>So far all we've seen is same old, same old and an empty suit waving in the
>wind ...
"So far" as you label it has been a relatively short time. Considering
the mountain of grief that the US financial industry is in, it always
surprises me when people still expect instant results and instant
gratification. A whole lot of people are going to get a sudden
education course in reality and eye opening as time marches on.
There's just too many people who are 'have nots' to allow the money
mongerers to continue as they have. Your most hated term 'socialism'
is going to come home to roost in one form or another.
Consider what's about to come as the US equivalent of the French
Revolution.
Mark & Juanita
Yeah, he offers hope if we will only surrender our remaining liberties to
him. He will then take care of all of us. His version of "hope" has never
turned out well for those who have taken that path. His version of
solutions is to offer more of the same government intervention and
interference and meddling that got our country into the financial mess it
now faces.
No thanks, that's not hope, that's a velvet glove encasing an iron fist.
The glove will wear thin shortly after enough power has been assumed by the
government, then we will get to see the real re-distributionist policies
pushed in earnest. We're already seeing that with Pelosi-care -- $250k
fine and 5 years in jail for not purchasing the government mandated health
insurance or paying the 2.5% of income fine.
ups...@teksavvy.com
<nos...@hadenough.com> wrote:
> Yeah, he offers hope if we will only surrender our remaining liberties to
>him. He will then take care of all of us. His version of "hope" has never
>turned out well for those who have taken that path. His version of
>solutions is to offer more of the same government intervention and
>interference and meddling that got our country into the financial mess it
>now faces.
Hmmmm? Nice attempt to blow smoke but it just doesn't fly when you
consider all the other countries around the world that *have* taken
that path and done quite well. Take Canada for example. Despite it's
problems, (all countries have them you know) we have a distinctly more
stable banking system than you do. It's better now and history has
proven it more efficient in the past.
How do you explain this? Next you'll be telling me that our success is
a direct result of the great and wonderful US of A coddling it's
largest trading partner and next door neighbour.
Go ahead, I know you're itching to say it so you might as well get it
off your chest before you explode. And then of course, I'll respond
with the fact that the citizens of the USA are the most arrogant in
the world and then we'll see the sparks fly. :)
Robatoy
Don't waste your time. Our friend Mark is still hiding behind this
belt-buckle:
http://worldwarrelics.blogspot.com/2009/02/gott-mit-uns-belt-buckle.html
After all, anything goes with God in your back pocket.
LDosser
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It'll go the other way if it comes to socialism and revolution.
LDosser
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> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:35:15 -0700, Mark & Juanita
> <nos...@hadenough.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Yeah, he offers hope if we will only surrender our remaining liberties
>> to
>>him. He will then take care of all of us. His version of "hope" has never
>>turned out well for those who have taken that path. His version of
>>solutions is to offer more of the same government intervention and
>>interference and meddling that got our country into the financial mess it
>>now faces.
>
> Hmmmm? Nice attempt to blow smoke but it just doesn't fly when you
> consider all the other countries around the world that *have* taken
> that path and done quite well. Take Canada
We just might ...
ups...@teksavvy.com
<counte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Don't waste your time. Our friend Mark is still hiding behind this
>belt-buckle:
>http://worldwarrelics.blogspot.com/2009/02/gott-mit-uns-belt-buckle.html
>After all, anything goes with God in your back pocket.
Really? I thought it might be our old buddy Daneliuk trying to sneak
in under the TIMBO radar. That acronym of course stands for
"Thought I might blockbuster opera".
ups...@teksavvy.com
wrote:
>It'll go the other way if it comes to socialism and revolution.
What's that? The government using US military might to quell all local
uprising? Terrifying thought if that's what you mean.
ups...@teksavvy.com
wrote:
>> Hmmmm? Nice attempt to blow smoke but it just doesn't fly when you
>> consider all the other countries around the world that *have* taken
>> that path and done quite well. Take Canada
>
>We just might ...
Yup, but it would have to happen very subtly. All Canadian born
citizens have considered that possibility at one time or another and
I'm sure there are a number of catalysts (water, oil, etc) to cause
exactly that to happen. However, despite the US being the world's only
existing superpower, I wonder how well it would eventually fare if the
rest of the world was arrayed against it.
Morris Dovey
>> Hmmmm? Nice attempt to blow smoke but it just doesn't fly when you
>> consider all the other countries around the world that *have* taken
>> that path and done quite well. Take Canada
>
> We just might ...
(Why did the line "Bring me a shrubbery" come to mind?)
If we took Greenland first, we'd have 'em surrounded...
...sorta. :-))
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Mark & Juanita
> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:35:15 -0700, Mark & Juanita
> <nos...@hadenough.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Yeah, he offers hope if we will only surrender our remaining liberties
>> to
>>him. He will then take care of all of us. His version of "hope" has never
>>turned out well for those who have taken that path. His version of
>>solutions is to offer more of the same government intervention and
>>interference and meddling that got our country into the financial mess it
>>now faces.
>
> Hmmmm? Nice attempt to blow smoke but it just doesn't fly when you
> consider all the other countries around the world that *have* taken
> that path and done quite well. Take Canada for example. Despite it's
> problems, (all countries have them you know) we have a distinctly more
> stable banking system than you do. It's better now and history has
> proven it more efficient in the past.
>
So your country has regulations that dictate banks must make home loans to
people with no chance of paying them back and providing a federal backing
for those loans? You have already adopted policies to destroy any industry
you have through cap and trade policies?
> How do you explain this? Next you'll be telling me that our success is
> a direct result of the great and wonderful US of A coddling it's
> largest trading partner and next door neighbour.
>
> Go ahead, I know you're itching to say it so you might as well get it
> off your chest before you explode. And then of course, I'll respond
> with the fact that the citizens of the USA are the most arrogant in
> the world and then we'll see the sparks fly. :)
You sir, are an ass. The above is not even worthy of comment. ... and
you say *we* are arrogant.
Ed Pawlowski
<ups...@teksavvy.com> wrote in message
>
> Possibly so, but whether you want to admit it or not, he also offers
> hope and that's pretty powerful. And maybe, just maybe, he'll fulfill
> some of that hope. All those running against him were offering was
> same old, same old bullshit without promise of anything new or
> different.
He's done nothing different so far. Secret meeting with coal execs, cronies
in the White House, and on and on.
Wait, he did something different. He planted a vegetable garden.
Mark & Juanita
It's always amusing and almost a truism that people from your political
persuasion cannot carry on political debate without resorting to ad hominem
attacks. You can't back up with facts, so you attack personality.
I'm done with this. Go ahead and have your last shot where you say I
couldn't stand up to the heat of your strong intellectual and rhetorical
attack and have therefore withdrawn.
Robatoy
> You can't back up with facts, so you attack personality.
>
If you had one.
ups...@teksavvy.com
wrote:
>If we took Greenland first, we'd have 'em surrounded...
>
>...sorta. :-))
Yeah, but if you took Greenland we'd know right away because
importation of those reindeer steaks would stop. And, once we knew,
we'd stop shipping you back bacon and the rest of your population
would rebel at being cut off and the invasion would stop dead in its
tracks.
:)
Larry Jaques
scrawled the following:
>On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:10:22 -0800, evodawg <evo...@nospam.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Think it already has. Did we not all see a year ago the sheep following the
>>Messiah to the voting booths. I also remember some fainting by just being
>>in his presence. I have zero confidence in the direction of this country.
>
>Despite your insulting rhetoric, there's a huge difference between
>people hoping and people turning into sheep as though hypnotized.
>Your "Messiah" as you choose to call him offered and does still offer
>hope. Sheep as you call them are people without the knowledge to
>realize that they're not going down the right path.
>
>Should your Messiah end up bringing your country out of dark chapter
>into a profitable world, what will you say?
I'd likely say "It probably wasn't him who did it." We cannot spend
our way out of a bloody economic hole, foo.
>Of course you'd say that it would have happened anyway. Your arrogance
>just wouldn't allow for any other conclusion. Sounds like you're the
>sheep to me.
Um, how are your "hope and change" working for you, Uppy?
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The Wise Person learns from the mistakes of others.
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ups...@teksavvy.com
>> the world and then we'll see the sparks fly. :)
> You sir, are an ass. The above is not even worthy of comment. ... and
>you say *we* are arrogant.
Well! I'm insulted! Thought we were having a slightly serious, comedic
discussion and you had to go and ruin it by throwing down some serious
insults.
The truth hurts doesn't it? Either that or you're belying your
reputation for arrogance with a bout of seriously fragile ego. If the
ego part is your problem, then your arrogance reputation isn't going
to do you much good.
I can call my best friend an asshole on occasion and he'll respond by
punishing me properly. I call some vaguely nameless online person like
you as being arrogant and you have a hissy fit. Guess we'll never
reach the friendly stage.
ups...@teksavvy.com
wrote:
>He's done nothing different so far. Secret meeting with coal execs, cronies
>in the White House, and on and on.
>Wait, he did something different. He planted a vegetable garden.
Ok, but you've got to admit, in the political spectrum, especially as
president, those things are a mandatory job requirement for survival.
Even in our penny ante Canadian political environment, things like
that are part and parcel of the job. Not saying it's right, just that
it's the way it is.
ups...@teksavvy.com
<nos...@hadenough.com> wrote:
> It's always amusing and almost a truism that people from your political
>persuasion cannot carry on political debate without resorting to ad hominem
>attacks. You can't back up with facts, so you attack personality.
>
> Go ahead and have your last shot
Ok, since you insist. Fact is that I have backed up my comments with
just as many valid and provable facts as you have. Obviously my tongue
in cheek comments have worn you down to the point that you can't
continue. Not at all surprising considering how weak your discussion
ability is when you are directly challenged by someone not afraid of
your bravado and bullshit.
You have a good night now. Sometime in the future I'll be sure to
irritate you this much again. It's sad though, that I'm having some
fun with all of this and you're ending it with a temper tantrum. C'est
la vie.
Robatoy
> <upsc...@teksavvy.com> wrote in message
We are 20 times the size of Iraq. You'll never find any of us...LOL
Besides, you'll ruin yourselves from within long before that happens.
Also... The Meek shall inherit the earth...the meek.. that's us.
Ed Pawlowski
<ups...@teksavvy.com> wrote in message
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Sadly, that may be so, but don't hammer the opposing party for doing exactly
what you do. Our political system is in serious need of overhaul, but it
will never happen.
ups...@teksavvy.com
>I'd likely say "It probably wasn't him who did it." We cannot spend
>our way out of a bloody economic hole, foo.
Probably true, but only up to a point. I say the spending lessens the
sudden pain to a point where it might be considered tolerable. The
downside that I see is that it lengthen the climb out the hole, but I
believe it leaves a number of important things intact to be rebuilt at
the end of the process. Things that might not exist if a sudden
termination of government support actually did happen.
>Um, how are your "hope and change" working for you, Uppy?
Hope is working reasonably well for me thank you. It does what it's
supposed to do and allows one to survive another day with mind intact
And please take my word for it, my hope as been challenged very
severely on occasion. Maybe it's my imagination instead that allows me
to survive, but hope and imagination are pretty interchangeable as far
as thinking about my challenges goes. And yes, I'm arrogant enough to
say that I've been challenge more than most.
As for change, it never comes fast enough in those areas that it's
really needed.
LDosser
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The rest of the world wouldn't care.
LDosser
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You're confusing yourself with the French and Italians. :)
LDosser
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That was the wife ...
LDosser
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IOW, same old, same old ...
J. Clarke
It will eventually. It happened in Rome courtesy of the Visigoths.
Happened in Byzantium courtesy of the Turks.
ups...@teksavvy.com
wrote:
>> existing superpower, I wonder how well it would eventually fare if the
>> rest of the world was arrayed against it.
>The rest of the world wouldn't care.
Tradewise most countries would rebel. And even if forced to agree to
commerce and despite worrying about the same thing happening to them,
there would still be a lot of underground resistance and withholding
of compliancy.
Militarily, most countries couldn't do very much when it comes to
resistance. But even if military world domination was accomplished,
regional US governors with troops to maintain the status quo would
spread the US military extremely thin. It's just not a very realistic
scenario for the USA to survive comfortably. That's the way I see it
with my limited knowledge.
Yeah, yeah, I know. That should be extremely limited knowledge or
maybe even complete lack of knowledge.
Ed Pawlowski
"J. Clarke" <jclarke...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>
>> Sadly, that may be so, but don't hammer the opposing party for doing
>> exactly what you do. Our political system is in serious need of
>> overhaul, but it will never happen.
>
> It will eventually. It happened in Rome courtesy of the Visigoths.
> Happened in Byzantium courtesy of the Turks.
>
I guess never is too strong of a word. Perhaps "not in our lifetime" would
be better. Our grandchildren should learn to speak Mandarin
diggerop
Our Prime Minister has done exactly that. Is he setting an example for the
nation? .....hmmmm...
LDosser
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> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 19:45:11 -0800, "LDosser" <L...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>> existing superpower, I wonder how well it would eventually fare if the
>>> rest of the world was arrayed against it.
>
>>The rest of the world wouldn't care.
>
> Tradewise most countries would rebel. And even if forced to agree to
> commerce and despite worrying about the same thing happening to them,
> there would still be a lot of underground resistance and withholding
> of compliancy.
>
> Militarily, most countries couldn't do very much when it comes to
> resistance. But even if military world domination was accomplished,
> regional US governors with troops to maintain the status quo would
> spread the US military extremely thin. It's just not a very realistic
> scenario for the USA to survive comfortably. That's the way I see it
> with my limited knowledge.
Take a look at the scenarios proffered by IPCC, there's some humdingers
there.
LDosser
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I thought he did that Before he was elected. OT**2, I see that someone threw
a shoe at Howard last week.
Lew Hodgett
"Leon" asked::
Google "anthony sowell" or go straight to Cleveland Plain Dealer for
details of this sexual predator and his trail of bodies.
Lew
diggerop
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Of course. I somehow doubt he'd have spare time to learn it as PM : )
>OT**2, I see that someone threw a shoe at Howard last week.
At Cambridge University. I enjoyed his retort, reported as ""It was a
pathetic throw, he would never be on my team."
diggerop
Lew Hodgett
"Leon" wrote:
> The shooting that every one has heard about in Fort Hood was tragic
> on so many levels and continues to be.
>
> My utmost respect goes out to the armed forces and my deepest
> sympathies to the victims and their families.
>
> It was tragic that so many were injured and killed.
>
> It is tragic that the shooter is only being identified as a suspect
> rather than "the shooter". Damn it, when there is a room full of
> eye witnesses there is no suspect, there is only the one that
> committed the crime, the witnesses and the victims, Plain and
> simple.
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The emotions of the moment, while allowing someone to vent the spleen,
are seldom reliable.
Eye witness accounts are often later found to be in error.
Under the US system of justice, a person is assumed to be innocent
until proven beyond a shadow of a doubt in a court of law.
So until a conviction has been rendered, "Suspect" is the label of
choice of our system of justice.
The shooting rampage raises many questions, starting with "WHY".
"Why" was he promoted to Major just after receiving a less than
favorable review at Walter Reed.
"Why" wasn't a red flag raised about his recent behavior changes which
included giving away his possesions as well as dressing in Middle
Eastern garb and passing out copies of the Koran?
"Why" didn't his attempt to seek legal counsel to avoid being sent
into a war zone raise questions?
"Why" didn't the suicide of one of his patients at Walter Reed raise a
flag that maybe he needed help.
Where was the physiotherapist to provide a means to unload his
thoughts and provide help.
Thought that was a requirement of his position.
Does this unfortunate event some how point to an overall larger
problem with our present military system?
Is the US trying to fight two (2) wars on the cheap without enough
troops to get the job done?
Those are some very difficult questions; however, they need to be
addressed by the military along with the FBI and others doing the
investigation(s).
What can't be allowed is a rush to judgment that results in a "White
Wash" of the tragic event.
Strange as it may seem to some, the fact that the suspect survived can
be considered as a positive thing.
At least he is able to answer questions as long as he is alive.
Lew
Greg G.
>...
>The shooting rampage raises many questions, starting with "WHY".
I've been reticent to join this fray until the smoke cleared.
But that truly is THE question of the day.
Why did they miss all of the classic warning signs, instead choosing
to plow ahead with plans that this guy obviously had issues with?
I'm not in the least defending the act, only the ignorance of his
superiors and co-workers who ignored or dismissed fairly blatant
behavior that would be clear to any 1st year psychology student.
Having dealt with a few over the years, I'm fairly convinced that
those who enter the fields of psychology/psychiatry did so due to
their own internal strife. Most grow and learn to deal with conflict,
this dude obviously didn't.
Greg G.
HeyBub
>
> I wish Obama well, but I think he's going to go down in history as
> another Jimmy Carter--a decent man without a clue.
I heard Lawrence J. Peter (the discoverer of "The Peter Principle") say: "I
have been studying governments, man and boy, for over forty years. I have
yet to determine whether we are being led by well-meaning fools or by really
intelligent people who are just putting us on."
HeyBub
> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:10:22 -0800, evodawg <evo...@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Think it already has. Did we not all see a year ago the sheep
>> following the Messiah to the voting booths. I also remember some
>> fainting by just being in his presence. I have zero confidence in
>> the direction of this country.
>
> Despite your insulting rhetoric, there's a huge difference between
> people hoping and people turning into sheep as though hypnotized.
> Your "Messiah" as you choose to call him offered and does still offer
> hope. Sheep as you call them are people without the knowledge to
> realize that they're not going down the right path.
>
> Should your Messiah end up bringing your country out of dark chapter
> into a profitable world, what will you say?
>
> just wouldn't allow for any other conclusion. Sounds like you're the
> sheep to me.
"Hope" is not a strategy; "Change" is not a tactic.
Both are similar to the matron's advice to the young bride regarding her
wedding night: "Just lie back and think of England."
HeyBub
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 17:14:05 -0800, "LDosser" <L...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>> consider all the other countries around the world that *have* taken
>>> that path and done quite well. Take Canada
>>
>> We just might ...
>
> citizens have considered that possibility at one time or another and
> I'm sure there are a number of catalysts (water, oil, etc) to cause
> exactly that to happen. However, despite the US being the world's only
> rest of the world was arrayed against it.
Quite well. The United States Coast Guard is larger, in ships and manpower,
that all of the rest of the world's navies. Combined.
I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than
ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks.
HeyBub
Nah, they're optional. I think the last president to have a vegetable garden
on the White House grounds was FDR.
HeyBub
> Lew Hodgett said:
>
>> ...
>> The shooting rampage raises many questions, starting with "WHY".
>
> I've been reticent to join this fray until the smoke cleared.
> But that truly is THE question of the day.
>
Yep, but should it be?
Carl Jung postulated that humans are evolutionarily compelled to ask (and
discover) the "why" of something. When confronted with an effect, we MUST
find out the "cause." It's in our genes!
That makes sense. If you don't want to get hit by another rock, you'd best
find the caveman who threw the first one! Those who don't care whether
they've been hit by a rock die off rather quickly.
Unfortunately, this compulsion sometimes generates silliness. In our quest
to answer "why," bizarre constructs are often promoted as the "one true
cause." Examples include untold hours of speculation in UFOs, JFK
assassination conspiracy theories, global warming, the pyramids built by
space aliens, and so on.
The trick is to discriminate between effects that can lead to provident
causes (contraction of the space-time continuum at near-light velocities)
and those that lead to merely useless speculation (Major Hassan's rampage).
In the latter case, it's simply better to deal with the effect (kill the
fucker, his family, his dog, and everybody he ever knew, verily, unto the
third generation) and move on.
Ed Pawlowski
"HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
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IMO, the big takeover to come will not be a military action, rather an
economic one. What if a dictator in China suddenly declared "no exports to
the US". They could take over Wal Mart and control a big chunk of the US
economy.
diggerop
news:44ydnSHUVd8sJWvX...@earthlink.com...
>
> Quite well. The United States Coast Guard is larger, in ships and
> manpower, that all of the rest of the world's navies. Combined.
>
You think so?
The US coast guard, the smallest of the five US armed services, lists itself
at around 47,000 strong.
The Chinese navy alone has more personnel than that (250,000 and growing.)
It has twice as many submarines as the US navy and predicted by some to
outstrip the size of the US navy in total by 2015.
Robert Gates has expressed concerns that the US is in danger of being
outstripped by China as a naval force in the Pacific in the near future.
In 1803, Napoleon supposedly said "Let China Sleep, for when the Dragon
awakes, she will shake the world." I believe we are going to find out he
was right.
diggerop
Larry Jaques
<e...@snet.net> scrawled the following:
>
><ups...@teksavvy.com> wrote in message
>>
>> Possibly so, but whether you want to admit it or not, he also offers
>> hope and that's pretty powerful. And maybe, just maybe, he'll fulfill
>> some of that hope. All those running against him were offering was
>> same old, same old bullshit without promise of anything new or
>> different.
>
>He's done nothing different so far. Secret meeting with coal execs, cronies
>in the White House, and on and on.
>Wait, he did something different. He planted a vegetable garden.
He had a swingset put up on the Whitehouse grounds.
He's logged lebenty gazillion miles in Air Force One already.
Between his and Algore's energy waste, OPEC is smiling from the nice,
brisk sales.
He tried to shake the Queen's hand but kissed an Arab king's hand.
He's spent more money in <1 year than the last President wasted in 8
full years.
He's calling for mandatory health insurance I can't afford, but he'll
happily fine me AND put me in jail if I don't buy it from him.
He's stomping the Constitution in other ways, too, and even more
easily than Shrub did.
He's installing Czars who don't know anything about the projects
they're supposed to be heading. [Holdren worked with a freaky author
(Paul Ehrlich) whose every work has been proven entirely wrong. Read
the reviews for "Ecoscience" and tell me that you don't get a very bad
feelling about the guy. Methinks all the titles and honors this guy
holds are honorary or politically-based. I couldn't believe the wiki
on it.]
Yeah, he's full of change. But do we want -any- of it?
Dayam, I never thought I'd miss the Shrub...
--
The Smart Person learns from his mistakes.
The Wise Person learns from the mistakes of others.
And then there are all the rest of us...
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Greg G.
>Greg G. wrote:
>> Lew Hodgett said:
>>> ...
>>> The shooting rampage raises many questions, starting with "WHY".
>>
>> I've been reticent to join this fray until the smoke cleared.
>> But that truly is THE question of the day.
>>
>
>Yep, but should it be?
>
>Carl Jung postulated that humans are evolutionarily compelled to ask (and
>discover) the "why" of something. When confronted with an effect, we MUST
>find out the "cause." It's in our genes!
You conveniently snipped the relevant portion. My question was why did
they miss clear cut signs of trouble, not why did he do it. I'll not
argue with Jung, who certainly makes far more sense than Freud, as
relates to machinery and such - finding out the why is a requisite for
future troubleshooting and avoidance purposes.
As for humans, I gave up figuring them out years ago and don't care
why they choose to do the f'ed up things they do anymore. I do make it
a point to avoid them when I see signs of danger, and lock and load
when I can't. ;-)
>In the latter case, it's simply better to deal with the effect (kill the
>fucker, his family, his dog, and everybody he ever knew, verily, unto the
>third generation) and move on.
Umm... a bit reactionary, after all, he knew quite a few enlisted men.
I certainly don't want to be blamed for the actions of my friends and
relatives. It's bad enough to have taken the brunt of punishment for
the local politicians and their idiot kids, much less some extremist
nut job. (Yeah, I know, an attempt at sensationalist humor...)
Greg G.
Larry Jaques
<jclarke...@cox.net> scrawled the following:
TAR 2, coming to a neighborhood near you, real soon now if "they" are
not more honorable and don't change their ways.
(TAR 2 = The American Revolution v2.0)
Larry Jaques
scrawled the following:
>On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:31:26 -0800, Larry Jaques >
>>I'd likely say "It probably wasn't him who did it." We cannot spend
>>our way out of a bloody economic hole, foo.
>
>Probably true, but only up to a point. I say the spending lessens the
>sudden pain to a point where it might be considered tolerable. The
>downside that I see is that it lengthen the climb out the hole, but I
>believe it leaves a number of important things intact to be rebuilt at
>the end of the process. Things that might not exist if a sudden
>termination of government support actually did happen.
I won't get into this argument with you very deeply, but it's sad that
the gov't didn't head things off instead of giving all that money to
the wrong people after millions had been de-housed and de-jobbed. And
forcing money on banks who said they didn't need it, resulting in
bonuses for their management was just too much. What has happened here
is just as bad as the missing billions in Iraq.
I still can't believe that the CONgresscritters and others in D.C.
have all sworn this solemn oath of office:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the
Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and
domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that
I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or
purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the
duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."
>>Um, how are your "hope and change" working for you, Uppy?
>
>Hope is working reasonably well for me thank you. It does what it's
>supposed to do and allows one to survive another day with mind intact
>And please take my word for it, my hope as been challenged very
>severely on occasion. Maybe it's my imagination instead that allows me
>to survive, but hope and imagination are pretty interchangeable as far
>as thinking about my challenges goes. And yes, I'm arrogant enough to
>say that I've been challenge more than most.
>
>As for change, it never comes fast enough in those areas that it's
>really needed.
Good answer.
Larry Jaques
<counte...@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
>On Nov 7, 8:14�pm, "LDosser" <L...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> <upsc...@teksavvy.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:4t4cf5te9u9ql572u...@4ax.com...
>>
>> > On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:35:15 -0700, Mark & Juanita
>> > <nos...@hadenough.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> �Yeah, he offers hope if we will only surrender our remaining liberties
>> >> to
>> >>him. He will then take care of all of us. �His version of "hope" has never
>> >>turned out well for those who have taken that path. �His version of
>> >>solutions is to offer more of the same government intervention and
>> >>interference and meddling that got our country into the financial mess it
>> >>now faces.
>>
>> > Hmmmm? Nice attempt to blow smoke but it just doesn't fly when you
>> > consider all the other countries around the world that *have* taken
>> > that path and done quite well. Take Canada
>>
>> We just might ...
>
>We are 20 times the size of Iraq. You'll never find any of us...LOL
>Besides, you'll ruin yourselves from within long before that happens.
>
>Also... The Meek shall inherit the earth...the meek.. that's us.
So buy the tee to go with it! <shameless plug>
Larry Jaques
<L...@invalid.invalid> scrawled the following:
>"Robatoy" <counte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>Also... The Meek shall inherit the earth...the meek.. that's us.
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>You're confusing yourself with the French and Italians. :)
He said "meek", not "wimp", suh.
Larry Jaques
G.<gr...@nospam.com> scrawled the following:
The "why" is clear to me from his behavior: He flipped into fanatical
Muslim mode. Y'know, "crazier" than normal, but totally premeditated
mass murder and an act of terrorism, pure and simple.
As to why his superiors didn't notice, have you ever met a
psychologist or psychiatrist? I think it's mandatory that you are
broken to become a shrink. Every one I've known is downright odd,
including my half-sister with her Stanford degree. When folks avoid
you because you're weird, they hardly notice your changes. If he'd
talked to his neighbors and let them know he was torn over being sent
to the ME, they might have overlooked any extra oddness, don't you
think?
I think it's sad that he survived. Now it will cost millions of
dollars to try him and every one of the victims' families will be left
with feelings of disgust, moreso than if he'd been killed, no matter
what the outcome of the trial. And the perp'll be forced to house the
guilt for the rest of his life, too. Sitrep: Lose/Lose.
evodawg
We're already seeing that with Pelosi-care -- $250k
> fine and 5 years in jail for not purchasing the government mandated health
> insurance or paying the 2.5% of income fine.
Isn't it ironic, a US citizen put in jail but Illegal Aliens allowed to
flood this country and no jail time. The sooner this rank amateur is gone
the better off this country will be.
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586
Website Address http://rentmyhusband.biz/
evodawg
> <ups...@teksavvy.com> wrote in message
> news:4t4cf5te9u9ql572u...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:35:15 -0700, Mark & Juanita
>> <nos...@hadenough.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Yeah, he offers hope if we will only surrender our remaining liberties
>>> to
>>>him. He will then take care of all of us. His version of "hope" has
>>>never
>>>turned out well for those who have taken that path. His version of
>>>solutions is to offer more of the same government intervention and
>>>interference and meddling that got our country into the financial mess it
>>>now faces.
>>
>> Hmmmm? Nice attempt to blow smoke but it just doesn't fly when you
>> consider all the other countries around the world that *have* taken
>> that path and done quite well. Take Canada
>
> We just might ...
How many Hockey Teams have we taken?
Leon
"Lew Hodgett" <lewho...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
If the justice system worked, I believe that we would not have to be asking
some of the questions that you mentioned above. The killers have learned to
work the system. If they knew that being seen doing the act would speed
them to their punishment rather than become make them a celebrity of sorts
they would think twice about trying to pull a stunt such as this. Or
perhaps convey their message in a more civilized way, maybe. Anyway, swift
justice in no longer a result.
Jack Stein
> In the latter case, it's simply better to deal with the effect (kill the
> fucker, his family, his dog, and everybody he ever knew, verily, unto the
> third generation) and move on.
Yeah, innocent people and dogs get killed all the time, at least this
way, there is a method to the madness.
--
Jack
People who never get carried away should be.
http://jbstein.com
Jack Stein
> In 1803, Napoleon supposedly said "Let China Sleep, for when the Dragon
> awakes, she will shake the world." I believe we are going to find out
> he was right.
When Obama and his socialist buddies are done, it won't be a shake,
barely a nudge....
--
Jack
Got Change: The Individual =====> The Collective!
http://jbstein.com
Leon
"Greg G." <gr...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Lew Hodgett said:
>
>>...
>>The shooting rampage raises many questions, starting with "WHY".
>
> I've been reticent to join this fray until the smoke cleared.
> But that truly is THE question of the day.
>
> Why did they miss all of the classic warning signs, instead choosing
> to plow ahead with plans that this guy obviously had issues with?
From what I understand, none of the warning signs were missed. They gave
him bad reviews and moved him around. They did not miss the signs, they
simply had to be PC. PC does not allow you to assume or treat differently
a person that produces substandard results. You have to treat all people
as you might treat your children. You can no longer treat fellow workers as
adults, you might hurt thier feelings.
>
> I'm not in the least defending the act, only the ignorance of his
> superiors and co-workers who ignored or dismissed fairly blatant
> behavior that would be clear to any 1st year psychology student.
See above. You have to have proof that they will kill. Until they kill you
don't have proof. You are not allowed to take precautions, that might hurt
someones feelings.
>
> Having dealt with a few over the years, I'm fairly convinced that
> those who enter the fields of psychology/psychiatry did so due to
> their own internal strife. Most grow and learn to deal with conflict,
> this dude obviously didn't.
You are probably absolutely correct , but, you should not say that because
some one might get their feelings hurt. ;~)
J. Clarke
> ups...@teksavvy.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 17:14:05 -0800, "LDosser" <L...@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Hmmmm? Nice attempt to blow smoke but it just doesn't fly when you
>>>> consider all the other countries around the world that *have* taken
>>>> that path and done quite well. Take Canada
>>>
>>> We just might ...
>>
>> Yup, but it would have to happen very subtly. All Canadian born
>> citizens have considered that possibility at one time or another and
>> I'm sure there are a number of catalysts (water, oil, etc) to cause
>> exactly that to happen. However, despite the US being the world's
>> only existing superpower, I wonder how well it would eventually fare
>> if the rest of the world was arrayed against it.
>
> Quite well. The United States Coast Guard is larger, in ships and
> manpower, that all of the rest of the world's navies. Combined.
The kind of number that idiot civilians like to throw around. Coast Guard
ships have neither the speed nor the armament to deal with purpose-made
warships. They can't run away, they can't close the range, and their
weapons are outranged, so all they can do is sit there and take hits. And
that's the ones that _have_ weapons. More than half of that number is buoy
tenders and tugs and other classes that were never intended to get in a
fight.
The Coast Guard is superb at what they do, but what they do is not fight
wars.
> I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. But I do say no more
> than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks.
Well, now, let's see, after those navies have wiped out New York, Los
Angeles, Chicago, Houston, Philadelphia and Phoenix they're at your 20
million, and they still have over 1400 warheads to use up, that they can put
_anywhere_ in the US.
Oh, and between them the British, German, and French navies have the Coast
Guard nicely outnumbered, and that's just counting British, German, and
French combatant warships against _everything_ that the Coast Guard has
that's longer than 65 feet.
Really, you're coming across as a clueless jingoist here.
Leon
snip
> You conveniently snipped the relevant portion. My question was why did
> they miss clear cut signs of trouble, not why did he do it. I'll not
> argue with Jung, who certainly makes far more sense than Freud, as
> relates to machinery and such - finding out the why is a requisite for
> future troubleshooting and avoidance purposes.
I still believe the signs were simply passed over. Why? Some people still
believe that because no WMD's were found in Iraq, after giving them 6 months
to dismantle, ship out, ot hide them, they simply did not exist.
This same type of reasoning has disabled the use of profiling. You see a
person acting a bit unusual you ignore it because acting unusual is not a
crime and if you say they need help because they are acting unusual they
accuse you of profiling. I am sorry to say that profiling is the only true
way to help prevent things from getting out of hand. But the use of
profiling has been disabled by a swift and "Broad" brush.
>
> As for humans, I gave up figuring them out years ago and don't care
> why they choose to do the f'ed up things they do anymore. I do make it
> a point to avoid them when I see signs of danger, and lock and load
> when I can't. ;-)
Ahh a profiller, a smart one.
>
>>In the latter case, it's simply better to deal with the effect (kill the
>>fucker, his family, his dog, and everybody he ever knew, verily, unto the
>>third generation) and move on.
Your really don't have to do that althought it seems the best way at times.
You simply deliver equal to the crime justice, quickly and with out fan
fare.
Leon
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766545/ns/us_news-washington_post/
HeyBub
>
> You conveniently snipped the relevant portion. My question was why did
> they miss clear cut signs of trouble, not why did he do it. I'll not
> argue with Jung, who certainly makes far more sense than Freud, as
> relates to machinery and such - finding out the why is a requisite for
> future troubleshooting and avoidance purposes.
His betters did not miss the signs. The AP is reporting today that
interviews with several of Hassan's fellow officers and superiors declined
to raise his unfitness due to fears of Muslim and Muslim-apologist
recrimination. In other words, it wasn't politically correct.
>
>> In the latter case, it's simply better to deal with the effect (kill
>> the fucker, his family, his dog, and everybody he ever knew, verily,
>> unto the third generation) and move on.
>
> Umm... a bit reactionary, after all, he knew quite a few enlisted men.
> I certainly don't want to be blamed for the actions of my friends and
> relatives. It's bad enough to have taken the brunt of punishment for
> the local politicians and their idiot kids, much less some extremist
> nut job. (Yeah, I know, an attempt at sensationalist humor...)
>
It's called cordon sanitiare. Or fire break. Take no chances.
Luigi Zanasi
> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:25:42 -0500, the infamous upsc...@teksavvy.com
> scrawled the following:
>
> >Should your Messiah end up bringing your country out of dark chapter
> >into a profitable world, what will you say?
>
> our way out of a bloody economic hole, foo.
Yes we can. (Sorry, couldn't resist) Speaking as an economist, the
only way out is to increase aggregate demand and there's only three
things that can do that: increase exports, increase private investment
in capital goods, or increase government spending. The alternative to
government spending is to pray that Chinese demand increases enough so
they start importing from the rest of us. Private spending on
investment goods ain't gonna happen until things are profitable again.
Government spending increases is how we got out of the 1930s
depression. Economies remained stagnant throughout the 1930s until
government spending was massively increased starting with Germany from
1934-1938 (autobahns, public works and infrastructure, rearmament),
Canada and the UK did did it from 1939-45, US did in 1941-45.
Luigi
Tim Daneliuk
Government spending is how the 1930s Depression was lengthened beyond
its natural lifecycle.
Economics is called the "Dismal Science" for a reason - economists never
allow reality to intrude on their cute littler theories (as witnessed above).
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Tim Daneliuk
> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:56:22 -0600, Gordon Shumway
> <Rho...@Planet.Melmac> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:25:42 -0500, ups...@teksavvy.com wrote:
>>
>>> Sheep as you call them are people without the knowledge to
>>> realize that they're not going down the right path.
>> that point only enforces his "insulting rhetoric."
>
> Possibly so, but whether you want to admit it or not, he also offers
> hope and that's pretty powerful. And maybe, just maybe, he'll fulfill
> some of that hope. All those running against him were offering was
> same old, same old bullshit without promise of anything new or
> different.
He offers oppression, slavery, and economic ruin that appeals to
the shiftless, indolent, lazy, and mooching classes.
Tim Daneliuk
> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:10:22 -0800, evodawg <evo...@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Think it already has. Did we not all see a year ago the sheep following the
>> Messiah to the voting booths. I also remember some fainting by just being
>> in his presence. I have zero confidence in the direction of this country.
>
> Despite your insulting rhetoric, there's a huge difference between
> people hoping and people turning into sheep as though hypnotized.
> Your "Messiah" as you choose to call him offered and does still offer
> hope. Sheep as you call them are people without the knowledge to
To fools and children (and moochers)...
me.
Greg G.
>Greg G. wrote:
>>
>> You conveniently snipped the relevant portion. My question was why did
>> they miss clear cut signs of trouble, not why did he do it. I'll not
>> argue with Jung, who certainly makes far more sense than Freud, as
>> relates to machinery and such - finding out the why is a requisite for
>> future troubleshooting and avoidance purposes.
>
>His betters did not miss the signs. The AP is reporting today that
>interviews with several of Hassan's fellow officers and superiors declined
>to raise his unfitness due to fears of Muslim and Muslim-apologist
>recrimination. In other words, it wasn't politically correct.
I read that earlier today. He sounds like a very conflicted individual
that was somewhat ostracized by American society - guilty as hell, but
conflicted. Yet incidences like these are not restricted to any given
region or religion, and each perpetrator reasons his own justification
for such acts. Overcompensating by ignoring warning signs is callow,
however, and this should have been caught. We're new to this, and will
eventually catch on. It takes time; humans are notoriously slow to
change and adapt...
>>> In the latter case, it's simply better to deal with the effect (kill
>>> the fucker, his family, his dog, and everybody he ever knew, verily,
>>> unto the third generation) and move on.
>>
>> Umm... a bit reactionary, after all, he knew quite a few enlisted men.
>> I certainly don't want to be blamed for the actions of my friends and
>> relatives. It's bad enough to have taken the brunt of punishment for
>> the local politicians and their idiot kids, much less some extremist
>> nut job. (Yeah, I know, an attempt at sensationalist humor...)
>>
>
>It's called cordon sanitiare. Or fire break. Take no chances.
McCarthy would be proud. ;-)
History records much reactionary behavior - Japanese Americans and
Jewish Europeans during WWII, etc. Surely we have grown beyond that
mindset - regardless of how profitable or emotionally self-serving it
is to vilify those who are not just like "us." Hell, we have produced
quite a few mass-murdering gunman right here at home, and I don't
believe there is a need to recite them all here.
I fear is that this incident is going to further promote a blanket
anti-Muslim sentiment, and therefore anti-American sentiment in
response, that has become so prolific in the TV media since 9-11.
Extremists represent a minority of Muslims, just as Christian
extremists constitute a minority within their religion. Call me a
Pollyanna, but I refuse to paint every Muslim with the same broad
strokes. Most are loving, peaceful, people who want the same things in
life everyone does. But as with most ideologies, there are some who
agitate and seek prominent stature through inflammatory hate speech
and behavior; and some people, being acutely authoritarian in nature,
are swept right along... Hate is an easy sell when mired in misery -
which much of the ME has been for a thousand years.
And before anyone retorts, No, I'm not a Muslim.
Greg G.
Greg G.
>"Greg G." <gr...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:l6kdf5538ihg6mflu...@4ax.com...
>
>snip
>
>> You conveniently snipped the relevant portion. My question was why did
>> they miss clear cut signs of trouble, not why did he do it. I'll not
>> argue with Jung, who certainly makes far more sense than Freud, as
>> relates to machinery and such - finding out the why is a requisite for
>> future troubleshooting and avoidance purposes.
>
>I still believe the signs were simply passed over. Why? Some people still
>believe that because no WMD's were found in Iraq, after giving them 6 months
>to dismantle, ship out, ot hide them, they simply did not exist.
Sorry, but I still don't believe it. Saddam was our best buddy while
fighting Iran, but when "certain interests" desired unfettered access
to oil reserves, he became our pariah even though having absolutely
nothing to do with 9-11. Iraq was not a hotbed of extremist activity
because he ruled with an iron fist and killed them lest they gain a
foothold. We upset the balance of power in Iraq by dismantling both
him and his military. A murdering asshole, yes - 9-11 and a threat to
the US, no.
The US has a nasty habit of cozing up to malicious dictators around
the world as long as it suits us. The PNAC had well documented and
long standing plans to war with Iraq, and this was simply the impetus
they needed to do so. They botched it with insufficient troops and an
exceedingly simplistic view of the region. The locals and extremists
aren't stupid and saw this for what it was - yet another invading
imperialist force. Moderates fled while the crazies moved in to fill
the perceived power vacuum.
>This same type of reasoning has disabled the use of profiling. You see a
>person acting a bit unusual you ignore it because acting unusual is not a
>crime and if you say they need help because they are acting unusual they
>accuse you of profiling. I am sorry to say that profiling is the only true
>way to help prevent things from getting out of hand. But the use of
>profiling has been disabled by a swift and "Broad" brush.
Non sequitur. But yes, the lack of profiling is a bit retarded.
Gray headed old ladies from Santa Barbara are unlikely terrorists, yet
woe be upon them if they have a metal clip on their bra...
>> As for humans, I gave up figuring them out years ago and don't care
>> why they choose to do the f'ed up things they do anymore. I do make it
>> a point to avoid them when I see signs of danger, and lock and load
>> when I can't. ;-)
>
>Ahh a profiller, a smart one.
Bitter experience learned from exposure to crazed lawyers and crooked
politicians. I've traveled the compassionate road and it continues to
bite me in the ass.
>>>In the latter case, it's simply better to deal with the effect (kill the
>>>fucker, his family, his dog, and everybody he ever knew, verily, unto the
>>>third generation) and move on.
>
>Your really don't have to do that althought it seems the best way at times.
>You simply deliver equal to the crime justice, quickly and with out fan
>fare.
Please note that this is not my quote, but HeyBub's. I would prefer
not to have that statement attributed to me, thanks. ;-)
But it is unfortunate that the civilian cop didn't aim a bit more
carefully - if he survives it will cost taxpayers plenty and be yet
another protracted dog and pony show in the media.
Greg G.
Greg G.
>HeyBub wrote:
>
>> In the latter case, it's simply better to deal with the effect (kill the
>> fucker, his family, his dog, and everybody he ever knew, verily, unto the
>> third generation) and move on.
>
>Yeah, innocent people and dogs get killed all the time, at least this
>way, there is a method to the madness.
Surely you jest, kind sir... I'd prefer to be a bit more accurate in
targeting people for extermination.
Greg G.
Greg G.
>"Greg G." <gr...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:oe2df5habvq49u7cb...@4ax.com...
>> Lew Hodgett said:
>>
>>>...
>>>The shooting rampage raises many questions, starting with "WHY".
>>
>> I've been reticent to join this fray until the smoke cleared.
>> But that truly is THE question of the day.
>>
>> Why did they miss all of the classic warning signs, instead choosing
>> to plow ahead with plans that this guy obviously had issues with?
>
>From what I understand, none of the warning signs were missed. They gave
>him bad reviews and moved him around. They did not miss the signs, they
>simply had to be PC. PC does not allow you to assume or treat differently
>a person that produces substandard results. You have to treat all people
>as you might treat your children. You can no longer treat fellow workers as
>adults, you might hurt thier feelings.
Shit, they will Baker Act you in a heartbeat around here. You just
have to scare the right people, or find the right people who have
something to hide at your expense. In my ignorant youth I told some
Kelly Bundy type she was a diamond in the rough and ended up in jail
for arson, so anything is possible in this place - but I wasn't a
Muslim...
>> I'm not in the least defending the act, only the ignorance of his
>> superiors and co-workers who ignored or dismissed fairly blatant
>> behavior that would be clear to any 1st year psychology student.
>
>See above. You have to have proof that they will kill. Until they kill you
>don't have proof. You are not allowed to take precautions, that might hurt
>someones feelings.
There is a good chance that some kind of intervention, a candid
conversation or a friend, could have stopped this. Based on what I've
read, I don't think the guy set out to commit this crime - it was the
pathology of rejection, fear and loneliness that set him off. There
are plenty of sick, desperate people in the world.
>> Having dealt with a few over the years, I'm fairly convinced that
>> those who enter the fields of psychology/psychiatry did so due to
>> their own internal strife. Most grow and learn to deal with conflict,
>> this dude obviously didn't.
>
>You are probably absolutely correct , but, you should not say that because
>some one might get their feelings hurt. ;~)
Oh, shucks.
Greg G.
Greg G.
>Luigi Zanasi wrote:
>> Government spending increases is how we got out of the 1930s
>> depression. Economies remained stagnant throughout the 1930s until
>> government spending was massively increased starting with Germany from
>> 1934-1938 (autobahns, public works and infrastructure, rearmament),
>> Canada and the UK did did it from 1939-45, US did in 1941-45.
>>
>Government spending is how the 1930s Depression was lengthened beyond
>its natural lifecycle.
Oh, please. This is a long discounted canard.
>Economics is called the "Dismal Science" for a reason - economists never
>allow reality to intrude on their cute littler theories (as witnessed above).
No fan of economists here, but our current situation was caused by the
wholesale export of jobs and factories, thieving bankers, K-street,
financial con-men and rocketing energy costs. War profiteers and
energy monopolies coddled by the government haven't helped either.
Greg G.
diggerop
> snip
>
> I fear is that this incident is going to further promote a blanket
> anti-Muslim sentiment, and therefore anti-American sentiment in
> response, that has become so prolific in the TV media since 9-11.
> Extremists represent a minority of Muslims, just as Christian
> extremists constitute a minority within their religion. Call me a
> Pollyanna, but I refuse to paint every Muslim with the same broad
> strokes. Most are loving, peaceful, people who want the same things in
> life everyone does. But as with most ideologies, there are some who
> agitate and seek prominent stature through inflammatory hate speech
> and behavior; and some people, being acutely authoritarian in nature,
> are swept right along... Hate is an easy sell when mired in misery -
> which much of the ME has been for a thousand years.
>
> And before anyone retorts, No, I'm not a Muslim.
>
>
> Greg G.
Well said, Greg.
As I alluded to to in an earlier thread, I lived and worked in the world's
largest Muslim nation, Indonesia, some years back. During my time there, I
was made warmly welcome by all that I came across.
The contrast with my own culture was dramatic. Total strangers in both the
cities and villages, recognising I was not Indonesian, would stop me in the
street and engage me in conversation, often in very poor English, or in my
even poorer Bahasa Indonesia. Every single one of them had a smile on their
face and wanted to make a point of making me feel welcome in their country.
I must confess, I found it a little unnerving at the beginning. ( I come
from stern Protestant stock, - racist, intolerant and highly suspicious of
strangers of any ilk.) I was also invited into the homes of total
strangers. Would not have happened where I grew up.
It was explained to me that it is an important part of both their culture
and religion to welcome and assist others. To do so is seen as a very good
thing. Sadly, I could not say that same universal friendliness and tolerance
would have been reciprocated in my own country. (Then or now.)
Were there some radicals who didn't want strangers like me in their country
and advocated violence as a means of achieving that? Yes. A small minority.
Were there white anglo-saxon protestants in my own country advocating the
same thing? Yes. Again, a small minority. (Around that period, there was one
group going around setting fire to Asian restaurants and trying to stir up
civil unrest on the basis of race. They were caught and jailed.) Would it be
reasonable to label the rest of Australians as being of similar ilk? Of
course not.
Nor would we wish to paint Christians worldwide with the same brush based on
the Catholics and Protestants of Northern Ireland, whose main occupation in
life until recent times, seemed to involve slaughtering each other, based on
religious denomination.
My experiences above are of course, based on one brief period in one Muslim
dominated country. Others may be dramatically different. It did, however,
give me a perspective that I would not have otherwise had and destroyed a
few of my own pre-conceived ideas along the way.
Hopefully, my eyes were opened a little more and just maybe, it may have
made me a slightly better and more tolerant person.
diggerop
Morris Dovey
Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution of the United States:
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War
against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and
Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony
of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but
no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture
except during the Life of the Person attainted."
You're welcome to read my copy at
http://www.iedu.com/Documents/Constitution.html
and if you feel a need to change that provision, it even tells how in
Article V.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Charlie Self
Sure. And if you or yours are among the innocent people killed?
nor...@earthlink.net
> HeyBub said:
>
>> Greg G. wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>> The shooting rampage raises many questions, starting with "WHY".
>>> I've been reticent to join this fray until the smoke cleared.
>>> But that truly is THE question of the day.
>>>
>>
>> Carl Jung postulated that humans are evolutionarily compelled to ask (and
>> discover) the "why" of something. When confronted with an effect, we MUST
>> find out the "cause." It's in our genes!
>
> You conveniently snipped the relevant portion. My question was why did
Easy....his superior officer has a hot job to get done.....PTSD is THE
hot button issue of the day. Firing a psychiatrist, much less one who
is a member of any minority, probably would have gotten him a circular
firing squad. He'll get one anyway, because there is now an extreme
need to identify responsible parties.
> they miss clear cut signs of trouble,
What is THE clear cut sign of trouble? Which argument with my husband
will get me a bullet through my head? (Just asking, we don't argue :o)
not why did he do it. I'll not
> argue with Jung, who certainly makes far more sense than Freud, as
> relates to machinery and such - finding out the why is a requisite for
> future troubleshooting and avoidance purposes.
>
> As for humans, I gave up figuring them out years ago and don't care
> why they choose to do the f'ed up things they do anymore. I do make it
> a point to avoid them when I see signs of danger, and lock and load
> when I can't. ;-)
>
>> In the latter case, it's simply better to deal with the effect (kill the
>> fucker, his family, his dog, and everybody he ever knew, verily, unto the
>> third generation) and move on.
>
> Umm... a bit reactionary, after all, he knew quite a few enlisted men.
> I certainly don't want to be blamed for the actions of my friends and
We were all ready to tell our former friends to f--- off when they
disagreed with our campaign to invade Iraq. France, having the
experience of fighting a 20 year war in Viet Nam before we went in to
prove that such was unwinnable, told us not to go. Saddam was a truly
bad guy whose US-supplied military was bought for him to fight Iran
before the US decided to destroy it. And we wonder why the world hates
our guts?
The shooter is first generation American, from Palestinian parents and
with family still in Palestine.....Americans know it is unfashionable to
express racist sentiment, but blogs are full of it. Right after 9/11,
an acquaintance told me that the US should deport everyone not born in
the US. Unfortunately, that would have included her :o)
Just the constant use of expressions like "Muslim extremists" takes it's
toll. We don't use "Christian child molester" or "Christian child
rapist" .....Suicide bombers and murderers aren't practicing Islamic
beliefs any more than Jim Jones was practicing Christianity when he
dished up the KoolAid.
> relatives. It's bad enough to have taken the brunt of punishment for
> the local politicians and their idiot kids, much less some extremist
> nut job. (Yeah, I know, an attempt at sensationalist humor...)
>
>
> Greg G.
Tim Daneliuk
> Tim Daneliuk said:
>
>> Luigi Zanasi wrote:
>
>>> Government spending increases is how we got out of the 1930s
>>> depression. Economies remained stagnant throughout the 1930s until
>>> government spending was massively increased starting with Germany from
>>> 1934-1938 (autobahns, public works and infrastructure, rearmament),
>>> Canada and the UK did did it from 1939-45, US did in 1941-45.
>>>
>> Government spending is how the 1930s Depression was lengthened beyond
>> its natural lifecycle.
>
> Oh, please. This is a long discounted canard.
Untrue. There is *increasing* sentiment among econs that this is exactly
the case.
>
>> Economics is called the "Dismal Science" for a reason - economists never
>> allow reality to intrude on their cute littler theories (as witnessed above).
>
> No fan of economists here, but our current situation was caused by the
> wholesale export of jobs and factories, thieving bankers, K-street,
> financial con-men and rocketing energy costs. War profiteers and
> energy monopolies coddled by the government haven't helped either.
Oh dear, you've been smoking Hopeium again. "Our current situation" was
initiated by *government* when it:
- Moved to fiat money and gave itself permission to print unlimited amounts
of same.
- Created a regulatory environment so that crack whores could buy homes with
their welfare "income" thereby incentivizing the financial system as a whole
to take stupid risks.
- Short circuited market economics by saving the stupid from themselves with the
various bailouts and payoffs.
krw
>Tim Daneliuk said:
>
>>Luigi Zanasi wrote:
>
>>> Government spending increases is how we got out of the 1930s
>>> depression. Economies remained stagnant throughout the 1930s until
>>> government spending was massively increased starting with Germany from
>>> 1934-1938 (autobahns, public works and infrastructure, rearmament),
>>> Canada and the UK did did it from 1939-45, US did in 1941-45.
>>>
>>Government spending is how the 1930s Depression was lengthened beyond
>>its natural lifecycle.
>
>Oh, please. This is a long discounted canard.
Hardly. How long did it take for the stock market to recover to
pre-'29 levels?
>>Economics is called the "Dismal Science" for a reason - economists never
>>allow reality to intrude on their cute littler theories (as witnessed above).
>
>No fan of economists here, but our current situation was caused by the
>wholesale export of jobs and factories, thieving bankers, K-street,
>financial con-men and rocketing energy costs. War profiteers and
>energy monopolies coddled by the government haven't helped either.
It took you a while, but you finally hit the nail with your last four
words. ...and you want even more.
Ed Pawlowski
"HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
news:6pidnQa31c1MZmvX...@earthlink.com...
> Greg G. wrote:
>>
>> You conveniently snipped the relevant portion. My question was why did
>> they miss clear cut signs of trouble, not why did he do it. I'll not
>> argue with Jung, who certainly makes far more sense than Freud, as
>> relates to machinery and such - finding out the why is a requisite for
>> future troubleshooting and avoidance purposes.
>
> His betters did not miss the signs. The AP is reporting today that
> interviews with several of Hassan's fellow officers and superiors declined
> to raise his unfitness due to fears of Muslim and Muslim-apologist
> recrimination. In other words, it wasn't politically correct.
>
I can't find the link right now, but a new movie is being made. It was on
Yahoo earlier this week. In the movie, they destroy the White House, the
Vatican, many other recognizable buildings, but they skipped the Muslim
building for fear of reprisal from the peace loving people.
Morris Dovey
Forgive me for being dense, Ed - but would you please clarify who "they"
are and the relevance of this fictional work to the real events being
discussed?
Greg G.
>Greg G. wrote:
>
>> Tim Daneliuk said:
>>>
>>> Government spending is how the 1930s Depression was lengthened beyond
>>> its natural lifecycle.
>>
>> Oh, please. This is a long discounted canard.
>
>Untrue. There is *increasing* sentiment among econs that this is exactly
>the case.
Like Ross Perot, I like graphs:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_O60Jg7biNLw/SZEVfPVRT4I/AAAAAAAAAfo/tddRH-I9c7k/s1600-h/Depression_GDP_output_1.gif
Read it and draw your our own conclusions.
A timeline representing the US GDP from the years 1929-1941. In stark
contrast to the historically challenged media talking heads and
right-wing stalwarts of the deep red south, one can clearly see that
much of the New Deal projects were a success in saving much of the
population from lingering or violent deaths from starvation, suicide,
and competition over food, shelter and water.
Projects such as Hoover Dam and the TVA are still in use. They pulled
areas of severe intellectual and economic depression into a bold new
era of...uh... lesser ignorance and poverty.
>>> Economics is called the "Dismal Science" for a reason - economists never
>>> allow reality to intrude on their cute littler theories (as witnessed above).
>>
>> No fan of economists here, but our current situation was caused by the
>> wholesale export of jobs and factories, thieving bankers, K-street,
>> financial con-men and rocketing energy costs. War profiteers and
>> energy monopolies coddled by the government haven't helped either.
>
>Oh dear, you've been smoking Hopeium again. "Our current situation" was
>initiated by *government* when it:
Sorry, I don't smoke Hopeium. I've never claimed Obama to be the Great
Messiah. He's a lawyer for cripes sakes. You must be confusing me with
someone else. At least he can construct a cohesive sentence, however.
Personally, I am glad say goodbye to cowboy diplomacy, robber baron
economics, perverted justice, partisan science and poison food.
>- Moved to fiat money and gave itself permission to print unlimited amounts
> of same.
Inflationary. And nothing Obama had anything to do with. This has
been going on since Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act (a misnomer
created by bankers, BTW) and we shunned the Gold Standard. We have
people whose primary interests involve gaming the monetary system for
profit controlling the money supply. What do you expect from a bill
written by and a president elected by.... Bankers!
Those pink handed money changers you seem so enamored of.
As it is, the public is paying huge amounts of interest on the current
debt. Those individuals who profit most from debt are the bankers who
carve a percentage off as interest and commissions and the shills on
K-Street whom they pay to expound the virtues of such fiscal
irresponsibility. The actual debt holders are the remaining
beneficiaries, generally those with large sums of capitol to extend.
In the year 2008, the US taxpayer spent $451,154,049,950.63 paying
interest alone on a debt of $10,024,724,896,912.49. In 1988 that
figure was $214,145,028,847.73 on a debt of $2,602,337,712,041.16.
That's a lot of numbers so we'll shorten it to:
2008 - 451 billion on a debt of 10 trillion in 2008
1988 - 214 billion on a debt of 2.6 trillion in 1988.
That's quite a jump during a period of alleged "conservative"
ideology.
>- Created a regulatory environment so that crack whores could buy homes with
> their welfare "income" thereby incentivizing the financial system as a whole
> to take stupid risks.
Excuse me, but your racism is showing. These loan officers willingly
and knowingly sold these loans - they sold hope to people who would
have otherwise never qualified for a loan in order to glean their
commissions. They now have their commissions and are long gone. What
is left is the bad paper and an imploding housing market. And who
created the deregulated environment that allowed these loans to be
tendered? Not to put too fine a point on it, the Bush Administration.
In an attempt to shore up an already faltering economy they pushed
housing as the panacea which would save us all from economic
depression. Want to see a harsh indicator of how well that worked out?
Visit S.Florida. I'm not defending the people who received these
loans, other than to point out that apparently some of these folks
couldn't balance a checkbook with a calculator. It is the job of a
realistic loan examiner to weed out these poor risk loans. They did
not, and in fact pushed them, hard, to people who could obviously
never repay them - much less the balloons and ARMs. With no oversight,
they exercised poor judgment in order to profit short term and then
bundle bad paper on the international markets. Are you really
defending modern banking practices? Are you kidding me? Are you
telling me that someone with a family who hopes to own a home, and is
preached to by the Commander and Chief on the TV that everyone should
own a home is required to be more fiscally enlightened than your
loving bankers? Please.
And they aren't crack whores on welfare. You need to tune out of FAUX.
Most are people who were sold a bill of goods and believed what those
in power preached at them. They didn't expect layoffs, inflationary
dollars, exported industries, and falling wages. They just wanted a
piece of the "American Dream" that was waved like a carrot before
them. Callow, yes. "Crack whores on welfare", not so much.
>- Short circuited market economics by saving the stupid from themselves with the
> various bailouts and payoffs.
Like Bankers and Wall Street? And don't forget, Bush doled out the
first volley of bailouts for these avaricious turds. Personally, I
would have done as many European countries did and let them fail, thus
breaking huge monopolistic banks which tend to game the system into
smaller community banks. But that's me. Oh, the humanity...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_O60Jg7biNLw/SY0zKtSZFTI/AAAAAAAAAe4/ibay3w6T8xo/s1600-h/citi_burning2.jpg
I'm not an advocate of laissez-faire capitalism, sorry. Apparently you
object to Keynesian economics. But at least you could put a portion of
blame where it belongs. Avaricious human nature precludes a lack of
government regulation and the recent crop of f'tards proves this out.
They obviously cannot be trusted to do what is in the best interest of
society, but think only of themselves. The middle class, the working
class, has been/is being destroyed.
As for government, it is a necessary evil. Our problem isn't
government, it is BAD government. This we have had in spades since
monied interests usurped the reigns from more level headed stewards.
This is one of our big problems:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_O60Jg7biNLw/SY6wg6DIgdI/AAAAAAAAAfA/CoaGqn99Q_Q/s1600-h/Idiocracy2.jpg
Personally, since I have to live in this menagerie with others, I like
having paved roads, police, fire departments, water supplies,
financial regulation and safety laws to protect the public from
malicious interests. It should be more efficient, more streamlined,
and there needs to be a healthy dose of common sense injected into the
whole mess, but it beats being totally ruled by rampant Robber Barons.
FWIW,
Greg G.
Greg G.
>Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> I can't find the link right now, but a new movie is being made. It was on
>> Yahoo earlier this week. In the movie, they destroy the White House, the
>> Vatican, many other recognizable buildings, but they skipped the Muslim
>> building for fear of reprisal from the peace loving people.
>
>Forgive me for being dense, Ed - but would you please clarify who "they"
>are and the relevance of this fictional work to the real events being
>discussed?
I think he may be referring to the movie 2012 and the director's
decision to avoid furthering already rampant anti-Muslim sentiment.
Good thing it's not about the Crusades... those peace loving military
expeditions which exterminated Muslims in the name of Christianity.
Oy Vey!
Greg G.
Ed Pawlowski
"Morris Dovey" <mrd...@iedu.com> wrote in message
>>> His betters did not miss the signs. The AP is reporting today that
>>> interviews with several of Hassan's fellow officers and superiors
>>> declined to raise his unfitness due to fears of Muslim and
>>> Muslim-apologist recrimination. In other words, it wasn't politically
>>> correct.
>>
>> I can't find the link right now, but a new movie is being made. It was on
>> Yahoo earlier this week. In the movie, they destroy the White House, the
>> Vatican, many other recognizable buildings, but they skipped the Muslim
>> building for fear of reprisal from the peace loving people.
>
> Forgive me for being dense, Ed - but would you please clarify who "they"
> are and the relevance of this fictional work to the real events being
> discussed?
>
The "they" is the movie producers. It has to do with the political
correctness discussed in the Muslim situation. The producers find it OK to
destroy everything the rest of the world holds sacred, but will not touch
the Muslim temple. They fear a fatwa. If we are going to fictionally
destroy everything, Muslims should not be held to a different standard.
The link is from Yahoo and is on my work computer history. I don't see it
here.