How do you say KILN?

[John Minor]

Just thought I'd do a little survey to find out how others say the word
KILN...with or without the -N-. Websters prefers it without, but gives
a close second to pronouncing it with the N...

"Just wonderin" : )

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[Lungstrum Richard]

kiln with /l/, with /n/
elm with /l/, no schwa
almond with /l/
salmon no /l/

[which one doesn't have to do with wood or trees?]

RWLungstrum

[Howard Chandler]

In article <19940809093955....@jcleve.larc.nasa.gov>,
j.i.clev...@larc.nasa.gov (Jeff I. Cleveland II) wrote:

> In Article <326sre$2...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> "jmi...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu

(John Minor)" says:
> > Just thought I'd do a little survey to find out how others say the word
> > KILN...with or without the -N-. Websters prefers it without, but gives
> > a close second to pronouncing it with the N...

Near where I work on the Mississippi gulf coast is the tiny town of kiln
(pronounced "kill"). It's near Bay St. Louis. Just North of Pass Christian.

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[Jeff I. Cleveland II]

I live in development named Kiln Creek. The creek was named for a brick
kiln that was established in the 1600s. Most everyone pronounces the kiln
with an 'n'. I think it sounds better.
Jeff --------

In Article <326sre$2...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> "jmi...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (John Minor)" says:

[Chris Windsor]

In article <326sre$2...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, jmi...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (John

Minor) wrote:
>
> Just thought I'd do a little survey to find out how others say the word
> KILN...with or without the -N-. Websters prefers it without, but gives
> a close second to pronouncing it with the N...
>
> "Just wonderin" : )

around here (Texas), it is "kil"

[J Edward Bell]

In Illinois, where I grew up, it was "kill". In Ohio, where I live now, it is
also. And a native backwoods Kentucky woodworker that I talked with in May
says it that way too.

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[Lungstrum Richard]

This is looking a little like a yankee/dixie divide. For the life of
me, I can't remember how people said this word when we lived in
central Virginia.
RWLungstrum

[Kay McCampbell]

I have 4 ceramic ones and a temporary wood one and I pronounce it with the N.
Around here a kill is a small creek. A kiln is an oven.

Thanx! Kay
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[Ken Farrar]

In Message Tue, 9 Aug 1994 19:46:16 GMT,
Lungstrum Richard <lung...@SPOT.COLORADO.EDU> writes:

In SW Virginia at the Forestry School at Virginia Tech, we pronounce it with
the "n" ... just as it is spelled.

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[Richard L. Wexelblat]

Well, in the Philadelphia area, I learned to pronounce the n -- as in
Lime KilN Turnpike
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[Jay Keller]

In article <326sre$2...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, John Minor wrote:

>Just thought I'd do a little survey to find out how others say the word
>KILN...with or without the -N-. Websters prefers it without, but gives
>a close second to pronouncing it with the N...
>
>"Just wonderin" : )

Must be a slow night, I find this question to be the most interesting
one for today.

I said kill for many years. My high-school ceramics teacher would kill
you if you dared to pronounce the final consonant in kiln. But over the years
it killed me the way people would look at me as if I was crazy so gradually
I re-trained myself to add the n and say it wrong like everyone else. But the
dictionary says it's OK, so who cares anyway? I'll say kill if you want me
to.

I got in trouble in scrabble by claiming that it's a ball PEIN hammer,
they all want to make it a ball PEEN hammer these days. Go figure.

--
Jay Keller

"Kill my Landlord, Kill my Landlord, C-I-L my Land Lord" -Eddie Murphy

[Kathy Williams]

Jay Keller (bad...@netcom.com) wrote:

: In article <326sre$2...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, John Minor wrote:

: >Just thought I'd do a little survey to find out how others say the word
: >KILN...with or without the -N-. Websters prefers it without, but gives
: >a close second to pronouncing it with the N...

: >

Here in Virginia, many natives (I am not) leave the 's' off the word
'cents.' Such as "The total comes to ninety-nine cent."

Mispronunciation is not correct just because a lot of people do it.

(PS: My Websters prefers to use the 'n' on kiln, although it is a 60's
model.)

My 2 cents.

Glenn Ponder

[John Darlington]

In a previous article, jmi...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (John Minor) says:

>Just thought I'd do a little survey to find out how others say the word
>KILN...with or without the -N-. Websters prefers it without, but gives
>a close second to pronouncing it with the N...
>
>"Just wonderin" : )

My mother learned "ceramics" when we were stationed at Wright-Patterson AFB
in Dayton,OH from '56-'60 and then taught for about 15 years when we moved
back to Canada and she always pronounced it with the "N".

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[Tony Poyner]

I have always pronounced the "n" in kiln, but then, I pronounce
the "l" in solder, too....

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[Lungstrum Richard]

Ah! so [parts of] the Old Dominion have the /n/, too. The /n/-less
version then looks to be current in the gulf states [excluding the
"learned" pronunciation of one discussant's ceramics teacher]. How about
the lower Ohio valley, and the Tennessee valley--anybody out there to
help fill in the map? Upper Mississippi [like MN]?
RWL

[George Huffman]

How curious....my cousin who dabbles in pottery) and hails from right on the
Ohio river between Louisville and Evansville pronounces the pottery version of
kiln as "kiln" with the "n" but pronounces the woodworking version as "kill".
It has even infected me that way.

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[to...@merlin.cobb.ziff.com]

I never heard of such a thing. In Louisville and Lexington, KY, its a
"kiln".

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[Dave Kennedy]

lung...@spot.Colorado.EDU (Lungstrum Richard) writes:

I grew up just outside of Richmond, VA. We say it with the N. In GA
(where I now live), we also say it with the N. In fact, I never knew
there was a different way of pronouncing it until this thread.
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[lha...@unm.edu]

While I was growing up in central Pa, the places where farmers
'burnt' limestone to get lime were called lime kills (no n) I was
probably in my twenties before I knew there was an n in the word.

[Tom Perigrin]

In article <1994Aug11...@merlin.cobb.ziff.com>,
to...@merlin.cobb.ziff.com wrote:

> I never heard of such a thing. In Louisville and Lexington, KY, its a
> "kiln".

In Arizona it's pronounced "back yard"

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[Andy Vesper]

>In Article <326sre$2...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>
"jmi...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (John Minor)" says:

>> Just thought I'd do a little survey to find out how others say the word
>> KILN...with or without the -N-. Websters prefers it without, but gives
>> a close second to pronouncing it with the N...

I apologize if I got the wrong attribution on this quote.

My dictionaries usually give no preference to differing pronunciations.
Here is a quote from the American Heritage Dictionary, copyright 1980,
page X:

All pronunciations given are acceptable in all circumstances.
When more than one is given, the first is assumed to be the
most common, but the difference in frequency may be insignificant.

However, my Oxford American Dictionary, also copyright 1980, has the comment
(page ix):

Only one pronunciation is generally given. When two pronunciations
are equally common, the preferred one is given first: [example omitted]

I don't like the Oxford American. (I have other reasons in addition.)

With regard to the subject of the pronunciation of Kiln -- I prefer KILL
but will add the -N- if someone looks confused. When you add a word after
kiln, it sounds strange if you pronounce the 'n' -- for example, kiln-dry,
Fish Kiln Road.

Andy V

[MKepke]

In article <94223.162...@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> ,
RSA...@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com writes:
> For those of us growing up in that old Dutch section of New York
state,
>i.e. along the Hudson river up as far as say Half Moon, "kill" is a
creek,
>as in Postenkill, Wynantskill, Battenkill, Fishkill, etc..... That must
>be why I say "kil_n_" and not "kil" when talking about an oven.
>
>Matt Cairns (ex-New Yorker, Massachusettsite, Utahn and current
Pennsylvanian)

You're not alone with the 'n'. The earlier Fish-Kil[n] Road
example makes me think of "Dead-Horse Pass".

-Mark
(who has never lived in the US and has been south of the
Mason-Dixon line exactly once.)

[RSA...@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com]

[MarvinQ32]

In article <1994Aug11...@merlin.cobb.ziff.com>,
to...@merlin.cobb.ziff.com writes:

I've heard it both ways. In college in ceramics class it was called a
KILL (without the n). Others have called it a kiln (with the n)

[Tim Holt]

Andy Vesper (ves...@lgi2.mlo.dec.com) wrote:

: >In Article <326sre$2...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>
: "jmi...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (John Minor)" says:

: With regard to the subject of the pronunciation of Kiln -- I prefer KILL

: but will add the -N- if someone looks confused. When you add a word after
: kiln, it sounds strange if you pronounce the 'n' -- for example, kiln-dry,
: Fish Kiln Road.

I have NEVER IN MY LIFE heard it pronounced "kill". Fish Kill Road sounds
like the name of a famous massacre or something....

Tim H.

[Rick Levine]

In article <3302r8$4...@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>,

Tim Holt <ho...@lubber.oce.orst.edu> wrote:
>
>I have NEVER IN MY LIFE heard it pronounced "kill". Fish Kill Road sounds
>like the name of a famous massacre or something....
>
>Tim H.

Where I grew up (NE Pennsylvania) Fishkill was spelled "kill,"
probably because lots of fish died there. Lime Kiln Road, though
was named for the Lime Kilns that used to be there. We pronounced
kiln as "kill." My dad's a ceramist, and the things that made all the
heat and roaring noises (little ones, big ones, really scary really
big gas ones) were all pronounced "kills."

If it really bothers you, you could always try "oven" or "lehr," eh?

Maybe there's a regional preference here? Any potters from the
ceramics school at Alfred around on this list to give us a definitive
answer?

rick

[Rick Haver]

In article <32p580$b...@search01.news.aol.com>, marv...@aol.com
(MarvinQ32) wrote:

I have heard it pronounced KILL in the south and KILN in the north.