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Todd Newman

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Mar 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/6/99
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Has anybody made pocket holes without buying one of those jigs. I tried
using my drill press and a Forstner bit, but the chuck interfered with the
wood. (It is at a pretty steep angle.) I am thinking about running a 3/8"
straight cut bit in my router and building a ramp to run the router on. I
haven't thought this one through too much. I know I can get a jig for not
too much money, but if I wanted easy, I wouldn't be building this thing
anyway. Thanks.

scott

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Mar 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/6/99
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Todd Newman wrote in message ...

How bout a using a horizontal boring machine with a wedge jig underneath
your stock?

Dean

Hank Metz

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Mar 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/6/99
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FWW showed a method using a router table and straight bit. The work rode up
a ramp on the outfeed side, so the plunge was cut first, then it tapered out
of the cut as the stock was advanced.

Hank Metz,
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Frank K.

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Mar 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/6/99
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Pocket holes are normally 15 degrees.

I made a jig that is very effective. I have never used anything else.

I took a piece of straight 2 by 4 about the length of the drill press table
and ripped a 15 degree kerf down the length with the 1 1/2 inch side on the
saw. Cut a shelf into the 3 1/2 inch side. When finished, it should look
like the letter "L" leaning backwards 15 degrees.

I mounted the jig to a board that I clamp to the drill press table.

I use a 3/8" Forstner bit running at least 2000 RPM. The speed helps keep
the wood from moving. I set the quill stop to control the depth. After
drilling all the holes with the Forstner bit, I drill the clearance holes
with a straight bit using the same jig.

As far as the chuck hitting the wood, I chuck the bit with only about 1/2"
in the chuck. Longer bits are available if you still have a problem. There
is also a 3/8" by 6" drill bit extension available that would get your chuck
a little higher.

If this is hard to understand, e-mail me and I will send you a drawing.

Frank
E-mail: fra...@dmv.com
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Tom Antrim

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I recently purchased a jig to cut pockets, soon after broke the bit. I
ordered another one and damned if I didn't break that one too. I was real
cafeful. Well I found one that has a pilot bit separate from the 3/8 bit
locked in with a set screw. I didn't pay much for the jig. I haven't broken
any since I bought the last bit.

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John Milton

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Mar 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/7/99
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Todd Newman (newm...@email.msn.com) wrote:
: Has anybody made pocket holes without buying one of those jigs. I tried

: using my drill press and a Forstner bit, but the chuck interfered with the
: wood. (It is at a pretty steep angle.) I am thinking about running a 3/8"
: straight cut bit in my router and building a ramp to run the router on. I
: haven't thought this one through too much. I know I can get a jig for not
: too much money, but if I wanted easy, I wouldn't be building this thing
: anyway. Thanks.

I have seen the router ramp jig done. It worked fine. You also need to
make a jig for the drill press to drill the clearence hole for the screw
(you drill from the face that is "inside" the joint when assembled so the
chuck is not in the way.)

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Frank Mcvey

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Mar 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/7/99
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Todd,

If you're using the pocket holes to fasten down a table top, I would
sidestep the issue entirely. Run a groove along the rails and use buttons
instead. Pocket screwing might be ok for ply or other manmade tops, but
buttons are better practice for solid timber, since they allow for expansion
and contraction. I also think they're neater and much easier to implement.
Finally, if you've ever tried to recycle an old table, you'll know that
pocket holes ruin the rails for future use!
Just my tuppence worth :-)

Regards

Frank

fis...@ccpl.carr.lib.md.us

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Mar 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/8/99
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In article <ewF5a6Ba#GA....@upnetnews02.moswest.msn.net>,

"Todd Newman" <newm...@email.msn.com> wrote:
> Has anybody made pocket holes without buying one of those jigs. I tried
> using my drill press and a Forstner bit, but the chuck interfered with the
> wood. (It is at a pretty steep angle.) I am thinking about running a 3/8"
> straight cut bit in my router and building a ramp to run the router on. I
> haven't thought this one through too much. I know I can get a jig for not
> too much money, but if I wanted easy, I wouldn't be building this thing
> anyway. Thanks.
>
>
Todd,
Thought I had posted this the other day but since it hasn't showed up in the
thread I guess I hit the wrong key.
Patrick Spielman show a drawing for a pocket hole ramp on page 149 of "The New
Router Handbook" which may serve your purpose.

EdF

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mrt...@netzero.net

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Mar 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/8/99
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In article <7bskn8$irr$2...@mohawk.hwcn.org>,
aa...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (John Milton) wrote:

> Todd Newman (newm...@email.msn.com) wrote:
> : Has anybody made pocket holes without buying one of those jigs. I tried
> : using my drill press and a Forstner bit, but the chuck interfered with the
> : wood. (It is at a pretty steep angle.) I am thinking about running a 3/8"
> : straight cut bit in my router and building a ramp to run the router on. I
> : haven't thought this one through too much. I know I can get a jig for not
> : too much money, but if I wanted easy, I wouldn't be building this thing
> : anyway. Thanks.
>
> I have seen the router ramp jig done. It worked fine. You also need to
> make a jig for the drill press to drill the clearence hole for the screw
> (you drill from the face that is "inside" the joint when assembled so the
> chuck is not in the way.)
>
> --

I'm kicking around the idea of using my router for pocket also. I've got to
ask, why the ramp? I know all the commertial jigs do it that way, but what
does it really add to the joint? My first attempt will be an L shaped jig
with a slot for my router guide bushing on top and a drill bushing on the
side. Hook it over the edge I want to pocket and go to town. I'll let you
know in a few weeks if it works.

Tony

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