Wood choice for lincoln logs
Thomas Mitchell
logs use. I can't tell by the grain of the wood. A google search turned
up nothing and the friend at work which has succeeded 100% of the time
in determining a type of wood wasn't able to match it.
He suggested aspen or maybe a birch. In any case I'll most likely use
poplar since I have a lot of it on hand and want to clear it out.
Ernie Jurick
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The originals were redwood, according to this site:
http://www.drtoy.org/drtoy/knex_2001c.htm
-- Ernie
Thomas Mitchell
least not the one I have currently in my hand. It's a knock off brand
though.
Wolf Lahti
> I'm trying to find out what type of wood the manufacturers of lincoln
> logs use.
>
> In any case I'll most likely use
> poplar since I have a lot of it on hand and want to clear it out.
>
I don't know what the manufacturer uses, but in making my own, I'd use
Western Red Cedar.
It's stable, non-splintery, and easily machined.
Poplar should work fine, too.
Fred the Red Shirt
Poplar would be less toxic too. Western Red Cedar is associated with
contact dermatitis and nasal and esophogeal cancer. The latter would
be a problem for the turner who might breathe the dust when sanding,
not the kid. BUt the kid will be handling them so the dermatitis risk
might be an issue.
The set of Lincoln Logs I had as a kid, which were probably bought
for my brother, were square in cross-section, not round. The later
ones were round and didn't stack nearly as well. The later ones
were also a lot softer too.
I'd recomend poplar.
--
FF
Thomas Mitchell
placed an order for a router bit which will round the two sides but leave
the top and bottom untouched. It's the bit Rockler offers. I'll try the
bit to add some detail to the logs, but am wondering how I'll route the
small logs. Seems as though the diameter on the bit will be over 1".
Likely have to make a jig for safety.
I read here in the group that you can tan poplar to get the green out of
the week which I'll likely try in order to get the wood all one color.
Not sure I'll put a finish on the logs or not.
Jim Stuyck
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>
> The set of Lincoln Logs I had as a kid, which were probably bought
> for my brother, were square in cross-section, not round. The later
> ones were round and didn't stack nearly as well. The later ones
> were also a lot softer too.
I got a set in the late 1940's. The logs were round. I don't think
I've ever seen square Lincoln Logs. If I recall correctly, in addition
to round logs, brown, of various lengths (and some with additional
notches, not just on the ends) and green slats for roofs, there were
red gable pieces so that your roof had a low pitch. Also had an
erector set!
Jim Stuyck
Jim Stuyck
Fred the Red Shirt
> I've seen a few pics on the web that show the logs being square. I just
> placed an order for a router bit which will round the two sides but leave
> the top and bottom untouched. It's the bit Rockler offers. I'll try the
> bit to add some detail to the logs, but am wondering how I'll route the
> small logs. Seems as though the diameter on the bit will be over 1".
> Likely have to make a jig for safety.
>
>
I suggest you do all your milling on long pieces and then chop them
into the short ones. Just allow for the width of the cross-cuts when
you lay them out.
--
FF
Lee Michaels
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> > I've seen a few pics on the web that show the logs being square. I just
> > placed an order for a router bit which will round the two sides but
leave
> > the top and bottom untouched. It's the bit Rockler offers. I'll try the
> > bit to add some detail to the logs, but am wondering how I'll route the
> > small logs. Seems as though the diameter on the bit will be over 1".
> > Likely have to make a jig for safety.
> >
> >
Long time ago in my youth, I made some lincolin logs in a shop class in
school. Since I had access to some old growth cedar, that is what I used. I
often incorporated this cedar into art and wood projects. It was a useful
wood on the farm and we often would carve parts from it to fit into our old
barn and other places on the farm. I used to split these cedar strips and
assemble then into very poplar hanging flowerpots.
So I was a fairly accomplished carver. I just used a short camping knife and
a couple chisels.
So it was from this background I did this project. I ripped the cedar to the
size I wanted. They were a little wider than tall. I cut the notches in then
and cut everything to length. Then I just took the whole thing home and sat
arond and carved thee two edges into a reasonable copy of a log. The knife
strokes looked just like axe marks and the logs looked very natural.
I then took flat shingles to make the roof. I cut out many small shingles by
hand and glued then to the other flat shingle. Then I assembled some framing
for the roof. Made joints for them and put a small nail (and glue) in them
to hold them together.
That was almost 40 years ago. I would like to think that set of lincolin
logs is still in use someplace today. I bet it would be worth some bucks
too. Not many folks do that kind of work anymore.
Lee Michaels.
William E. Prisavage
Don't forget the red chimney,and yes they were round in my day.
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Mike Reed
> placed an order for a router bit which will round the two sides but leave
> the top and bottom untouched. It's the bit Rockler offers. I'll try the
> bit to add some detail to the logs, but am wondering how I'll route the
> small logs. Seems as though the diameter on the bit will be over 1".
> Likely have to make a jig for safety.
I would recommend that you mill long stock before cutting to length,
then you're routing a managable piece of wood.
You can then make a jig to rout the notches (I figure if you're gonna
jig a cut, make it the shorter cuts rather than the longer ones). You
could make a jig for each length of log, so you cut the first notch on
the end of your long stock, then that notch positions the log in the
jig for the second notch.
-Mike
John Schreiber
Christmas from Santa Clause and I noticed that the red plastic gable
pieces were imprinted made in the USA (or something).
I had been pretty sure that the North Pole bit was fake, but that
confirmed it. I never told my parents, and I still get gifts from
Santa even though I just turned 40.
Thanks John Schreiber
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Jim Stuyck
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> You also need two 1/2 strips for the starter pieces.
Right! Forgot those.
> Don't forget the red chimney,and yes they were round in my day.
Right, again!
Someone mentioned "plastic." No "plastic" in that late 1940's set
of mine, that's for sure. ;-)
Jim Stuyck
Jack-of-all-trades - JOAT
(Thomas Mitchell)
I posted this awhile back.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=JOAT+LINCOLN+LOGS+group:rec.woodworking&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=25252-3AF5AE02-128%40storefull-285.iap.bryant.webtv.net&rnum=1
The link there is bad, this is a good one.
http://www.woodcentral.com/bparticles/lincoln_logs.shtml
I've seen where someone says they were redwood. The ones I had
were not redwood, definitely not redwood. Possibly no known wood today.
They looked like they were hewn by hand, by a tiny little man, about 6
inches tall, with a dull adze. But, what the Hell, wouldn't have been
any more fun if they were pink ivory. I did have green roof things, and
I am pretty sure I recall they were long wooden slats, you laid
sideways, sorta lapstrake style. The roof ends had notches to hold them
in place. And red, wooden, chimneys. I had something with that anyway.
About certain no plastic. And not even anywhere close to enough of
them. I figure 5 or 6 55 gallon drums full might have been barely
adequate.
Make them out of any wood you want.
By the way, there is a site out there somewhere (I'm pretty sure I
posted it it), with dimensions, illustrations, etc., for making this
type of thing.
JOAT
Let's just take it for granted you don't know what the Hell you're
talking about.
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Thomas Mitchell
would be taking into account the width of the blade, ect. For the
routing process, it would likely be safer, at least for the small
segments, to mill 5 or 6 as once piece and then cut the segments on the
mitre saw. Wouldn't hurt to try that way once.
Thomas Mitchell
wonderfence attachment for the TSIII system I have on the TS. I'm
counting on the repeatability that the system markets. Take the easy way
out first and not make a jig. Plus the two end notches are the same
distance so that's a simple turning the board around and voila. Haven't
made up my mind of using a router but or stacked dado though.
Thomas Mitchell
like axe marks. Unfortunately, I have no artistic ability and have to
rely on blades and bits. I like your ideas regarding the shingles and
framing for the roof. Mind if I use it?
Lenny
I used 3/4 pine. Start with wide boards of reasonable length and cut
the dadoes first. Rip into 3/4 x 3/4 strips, then round over the edges
while still in long strips. Finally cut to length. I used 3/4 pine.
Careful layout of your dadoes is key. Can't remember exactly what the
dimensions were, but I can check if you want....?
HTH
Lenny
Thomas Mitchell
I have the dimensions. Your process sounds like what I plan on doing
except for starting with boards with width equal to the length of the
logs. The shortest logs I will try to make 4-5 and cut to length at the
end. For your dado, did you use a TS or router set up?
Lee Michaels
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> I bet the set looked incredible, especially with the knife marks looking
> like axe marks. Unfortunately, I have no artistic ability and have to
> rely on blades and bits. I like your ideas regarding the shingles and
> framing for the roof. Mind if I use it?
>
No problem, go for it. It's not like I own a patent on it or anything. I was
young and poor. But raised on a farm in the woods with lots of natural
materials and some tools. So we made stuff. Wasn't considered all that
unusual at the time.
All I had was a short, thick camping sheath knife with a short blade. It was
three inches at the most. Which was considered a very small knife at that
time. It doesn't take any artistic ability. The artistry is in the courage,
design and putting the prices together. I did this specifically because I
had no artistic ability. Clever use of materials got me good grades when I
couldn't draw a picture to save my life.
Just get your self a comfortable knife. Try it with a pocket knife at first
if you don't want to buy anything bigger. Take that wood out and start
carving. Think of a spoke shave. You could do all this with a ssplke shave
or a draw knife. Except that the lincolin logs may be a little small. Just
subsitute the knife for the spokeshave or drawknife. Or use some other
tools.
The only thing you are doing is removing some wood from the edge of the
square wood. You could even use a plane. Just round the edge over. That is
all there is too it. The thing about knife cuts though is that you leave
little knicks in the wood that greatly add to the authentic look. These
knicks stain darker than the surrounding wood. It just looks like a genuine
log.
As far as the shingles go, I imagine that there are probably quick ways to
do this. I know that the folks who build those fancy doll houses use little
shakes for their roofs.
If I were to do it again, I would probably use something like veneer or very
thin stock. And I would cut them out with a knife. Probably an exacto knife.
Feel free to experiment. The way I always felt was that you are making
something that is genuine and crafted from materials of the earth. Any
solution that preserves this authenticity is valid and good. Remember, in a
plastic world, fewer and fewer children get to espereince genuine
craftmanship. Actually play with something created with genuine sweat,
materials and craftsmanship.
These time honored skills and products don't belong to anybody. Just use
them to create and give joy to those who will appreciate it.
Now get a knife and start carvin'. We wanna see pictures when you get it
done!
Lee Michaels
*******************************************
John Grossbohlin
My early 60's vintage Lincoln Logs were square in cross-section and are
redwood. I made 100s of additional logs for my kids using the old ones as a
model. I simply grabbed up eastern white pine that was laying around the
shop and cut away.
The kids have done a lot of damage to both the old and new ones... I'm still
a bit annoyed that MINE survived 40 years only to be pretty well destroyed
by my kids in a matter of months!
John
Fred the Red Shirt
> like axe marks. Unfortunately, I have no artistic ability and have to
> rely on blades and bits. I like your ideas regarding the shingles and
> framing for the roof. Mind if I use it?
The square lincoln logs I had as a kid also had scalloped pieces on the
side that made them look like hand-hewn timbers. I suppose they had
a special cutter head for doing that. Or maybe I inherited Lee's set...
--
FF
Fred the Red Shirt
>
> I did have green roof things, and
> I am pretty sure I recall they were long wooden slats, you laid
> sideways, sorta lapstrake style. The roof ends had notches to hold them
> in place.
In my set the roof slats were groove and groove, like tongue
and groove but with grooves on both edges. They could be fitted
together in a sort of half lap (really 1/3 lap) fashion. The
wooden gable pieces only had the nothes on the longest ones which
overhung the sides of the building creating soffits. So if you
made your building narrower, the roof slid off. There was also
a sort of triangular ridge piece that was tongue and tongue on
the two lower corners to go at the top.
The gable pieces were the same color and material as the regular
logs. They were just like the regular logs on the bottom but
beveled at each end at the top so that you built the gables by
putting a smaller size on top of each until you reached the peak.
Later sets eliminated the grooves on the roof slats and relied on
steps in the tapered gable pieces.
My chimneys were red painted wood too.
Don't get me started on tinkertoys...
--
FF
cdg
spam*@comcast.net says...
> Feel free to experiment. The way I always felt was that you are making
> something that is genuine and crafted from materials of the earth. Any
> solution that preserves this authenticity is valid and good. Remember, in a
> plastic world, fewer and fewer children get to espereince genuine
> craftmanship. Actually play with something created with genuine sweat,
> materials and craftsmanship.
>
Definitely!
I was in HF a while back and waiting in line I saw some little wooden
airplane kits for $1. I grabbed one for my 2yr old (to ply with, not to
build) I modified it to hopefully make it sturdier -- went from a WWI
biplane to WWII-esque single wing. He fell in love with it, but broke it
several times, which I fixed, until the last time when he fell on it and
totally crushed it.
Of course, being a toddler, he through a fit, but since we were at my
parent's house at the time, I used my mom's scrollsaw to quickly carve
out and glue up an airplane-like object out of some scrap. He liked it
just as well, and still plays with it a year later! :-)
OT-Parenting-I really don't like all the new toys that are sold now.
They all flash lights, blare sounds, and basically do all the playing
for the child. The child only has to push a button, then it does it's
work. Boring! Besides, they're so loud that I worry about hearing
damage. Especially in infant toys. Very few of them have a volume, but
even then, the lowest is still too loud, IMHO.
Fortunately, my son's favorite toy is his wooden train set (from Target,
but I'm working out how to add more track to it), so I think he agrees
with me.
Thomas Mitchell
son's hearing and our sanity. I agree with you about the toys.
Our son's favorite toy is also his wooden train set. I started building
wooden train cars for him or working on building them a few months ago.
The design is pretty basic, but I have several different cars based on
the same blank which I haven't found time to build yet. I looked into
making the track and other than straight track and maybe some buffers, I
doubt that I'll make much of it. The curves look too in depth and I'd
rather pay for them and use my time making engines and cars.
Here's a site I found which I thought showed the process really well.
http://www.bscandm.com/trains/track.htm
I'd love to send your son a couple cars once I have a couple different
designs built if you don't mind.
Jack-of-all-trades - JOAT
(Jack-of-all-trades - JOAT) said:
<snip> By the way, there is a site out there somewhere (I'm pretty
sure I posted it it), with dimensions, illustrations, etc., for making
this type of thing.
Been waiting to see if anyone would come up with it. The
impression I am getting is, no one is even bothering to look.
Charlie Self
> Been waiting to see if anyone would come up with it. The
>impression I am getting is, no one is even bothering to look.
Here's a start, at
least....http://www.woodcentral.com/bparticles/lincoln_logs.shtml
Charlie Self
We thought, because we had power, we had wisdom.
Stephen Vincent Benet
cdg
thomasM...@askmeforit.com says...
> We used scotch tape over the speaker area to mute the sound for our
> son's hearing and our sanity. I agree with you about the toys.
>
> Our son's favorite toy is also his wooden train set. I started building
> wooden train cars for him or working on building them a few months ago.
> The design is pretty basic, but I have several different cars based on
> the same blank which I haven't found time to build yet. I looked into
> making the track and other than straight track and maybe some buffers, I
> doubt that I'll make much of it. The curves look too in depth and I'd
> rather pay for them and use my time making engines and cars.
>
> Here's a site I found which I thought showed the process really well.
>
> http://www.bscandm.com/trains/track.htm
>
> I'd love to send your son a couple cars once I have a couple different
> designs built if you don't mind.
>
I had forgotten about the tape trick. Apparently as a toddler I had put
clear tape on the earpiece of my grandmother's phone. She thought it was
broken and called a repairman. He looked at it for a second, then asked,
"Do you have grandchildren?" ;-)
Thanks for the offer of cars. He (and I) would really appreciate them,
but don't go to too much trouble. If you can send me plans on your
design, that would be great! What are you using for wheels and magnets?
Christian Groth
cgrot...@yahoo.com
Lenny
old issue of "Hands On" which was published by Shopsmith.
See them here...
http://members2.clubphoto.com/lenny191637/807632/owner-38f6.phtml
Let me know if you have trouble reading the measurements.
Lenny
Lenny
(lengths) possible until the final step of cutting individual pieces
to length.
I used a radial saw with a dado blade. Then ripped them on the TS. I
think I used about six foot lengths and layed out several different
lengths.
I've posted the text and drawings I used from an old issue of Hands On
magazine here...
http://members2.clubphoto.com/lenny191637/807632/guest.phtml
It explains it better then I can. =0 )
Lenny
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:02:15 -0400, Thomas Mitchell <as...@for.it.com>
wrote:
Jack-of-all-trades - JOAT
says:
Well, it's saved looks like, rather than searched for, but it's the
same info I was thinking about. Shopsmith has it on their site, if
anyone wants to look.
John Grossbohlin
"Fred the Red Shirt" <fredf...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> > I bet the set looked incredible, especially with the knife marks looking
> > like axe marks. Unfortunately, I have no artistic ability and have to
> > rely on blades and bits. I like your ideas regarding the shingles and
> > framing for the roof. Mind if I use it?
>
>
> The square lincoln logs I had as a kid also had scalloped pieces on the
> side that made them look like hand-hewn timbers. I suppose they had
> a special cutter head for doing that. Or maybe I inherited Lee's set...
>
My red wood logs had the same effect... I have the impression that they were
run through a set of embossing rollers rather than some kind of cutter.
John
RWatson767
> lincoln logs (plans posted)
Shopsmith has it on their site, if
anyone wants to look.
I looked but did not find. Any clues?
Bob AZ
Jack-of-all-trades - JOAT
Joat
Damn, I got this by e-mail and answered it. If you guys are gonna
post, don't e-mail me. And, if you're gonna e-mail me, don't post.
But, since I already answered this, I suppose I can answer it for the
google challenged.
http://www.shopsmithhandson.com/archives/july_aug_01/default.htm Now
don't bother me again until the start of the Century of the Fruit Bat.
Robert Bonomi
"Shoulda toined left at Albuquerque", probably. <grin>
Jerry Gilreath
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Jack-of-all-trades - JOAT
(Jerry Gilreath) babbles:
Fruit bat? Any relation to the fruit fly? Or the fruits of.....
nevermind
That's Bat, Bee Aee Tee, Bat, as in Fruit Bat. You probably think
I make this crap up, don't you? Ah, you're probably young, and know
everything, wait until you're old, and stupid, then you'll know
something. Go here, scroll down to "Century of".
http://www.epinions.com/content_2825363588
JOAT
Let's just take it for granted you don't know what the Hell you're
talking about.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
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knowledgeable as my dad was, or you I'm sure, but I'm on my way. Good
reading, but never did really get it.
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Thomas Mitchell
milling issue, but the process worked well enough to make about 15 pine
and 5 maple cars. Have been practicing on the pine before hitting the
maple.
The plans I have are cad files. Not sure if I can convert them to
another format with the freeware cad utility I have. If you have a
utility that will read cad files I'd be happy to send them to you.
The wheels that I have been using are wood. I bought a bunch of them
from Howee's, an online wholesale craft type supplier. I'm using a dowel
rod for the axle and it works, almost as well as the purchased trains,
but I'd like to find another solution. To me I should be able to spin
the wheel it watch it slowly coast to a stop, but that's not the way the
cars I build or the cars I buy work. :(
For magnets I bought them from Cherry Tree I think. They are the same
magnets as listed on http://www.bscandm.com/trains/track.htm with the
same nails as well. I found the magnets weak compared to the purchased
cars, but they work well enough.
If anyone knows of a source of plastic wheels suitable for train cars
that run on brio track, I'd love to know about them. I've looked off and
on since March and haven't found anything online.
DA
>
> I'm trying to find out what type of wood the manufacturers of lincoln
> logs use. I can't tell by the grain of the wood. A google search turned
> up nothing and the friend at work which has succeeded 100% of the time
> in determining a type of wood wasn't able to match it.
> He suggested aspen or maybe a birch. In any case I'll most likely use
> poplar since I have a lot of it on hand and want to clear it out.
the lincoln log as well as what type of wood was originally used
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hub...@ccanoemail.com
>>> I'm trying to find out what type of wood the manufacturers of lincoln
>>> logs use. I can't tell by the grain of the wood. A google search
>>> turned up nothing and the friend at work which has succeeded 100% of
>>> the time in determining a type of wood wasn't able to match it.
>>> He suggested aspen or maybe a birch. In any case I'll most likely use
>>> poplar since I have a lot of it on hand and want to clear it out.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Logs gives you a short history of
>> the lincoln log as well as what type of wood was originally used
>>
>What kind of trees grow in China? That would be most likely the present
>wood used.
this kit in the 1930s. "
J. Clarke
says...
place with a wide variety of trees.
However the manufacturer moved production back to the US recently, so
they may be back to redwood. Although the Chinese ones could well be
redwood--Chinese redwood is a fast-growing big tree--haven't heard of it
being used commercially but one never knows.
J. Clarke
hub...@ccanoemail.com says...
krw
cl...@snyder.on.ca
2014, so new ones will be made of american woods. Those made in China
could be made of anything, as China imports all kinds of woods from
all over the world - legally or illegally cut and harvested .
-MIKE-
China for manufacturing goods that come back here. Still cheaper to do
that and build stuff using their cheap labor and manufacturing.
I was watching a documentary on the emerging "capitalization" of some
areas of China and the middle class that emerging as a result. One
status symbol of these "newly rich" Chinese is to have furniture that is
made in the USA, because even they know how low the quality is of the
goods made by their own people in their own country.
The documentary went on to show the hilarious irony of how the raw wood
for their "made in the USA" furniture was shipped from the USA and
Canada to China where all the components, pieces, and parts to make the
furniture were actually manufactured, then all shipped back to the US
where the parts were then "assembled" and glued together into the final
product, then shipped back to China where this new middle class buys it
so they can brag about the high quality of their expensive furniture
that is "made in the USA." :-)
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Unquestionably Confused
> hub...@ccanoemail.com wrote:
>
>> These ones are pine ...
>>
>
> "These ones"?... Do people with a high school education really say that?
posting on some listserve and the normal rules of grammar, etc. simply
do not apply.
Never mind that we only get one chance at making a first impression and
that it's likely the ONLY impression any of us will have of some of
these folks is what we read here. No big deal. If somebody wishes to
be viewed as the village idiot's retarded cousin, that's their business. <g>
J. Clarke
puzz...@ameritech.net says...
is by the way a quote from a fairly well respected novel) Mike blows his
chance at a good first impression.
Mike Marlow
Electric Comet
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> I'm trying to find out what type of wood the manufacturers of
> lincoln logs use. I can't tell by the grain of the wood. A google
> search turned up nothing and the friend at work which has succeeded
> 100% of the time in determining a type of wood wasn't able to match
> it. He suggested aspen or maybe a birch. In any case I'll most
> likely use poplar since I have a lot of it on hand and want to
> clear it out.
this is a case where buying a set would be a big time saver
krw
that matter. Why are you here again?
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Mike Marlow
the world. He's amusing....
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mmarlo...@windstream.net