Craftsman Radial Arm Saw Recall / Free Upgrade Kit

[kimosabe]

This is old news for some guys. Sears will send you a free upgrade
kit.

Craftsman Radial Arm Saw Recall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7emIOjHC_g



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgjxwvHf9To

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 13:26:43 -0700 (PDT), kimosabe <kimos...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Got mine a couple of months ago. They say it takes up to ten weeks but it was
less than two, IIRC. Still haven't opened the box, though.

[dss]

Got mine last year for a 20-year old saw. Only needed the serial
number and got it in a couple of weeks. Installed it this summer in a
couple of hours. It is of reasonable quality and makes the saw safer
and still very usable. The best part is it comes with a new 1" thick
table top.

Definitely worth doing.

dss

[Twayne]

In news:5h11a75meaj7tm09t...@4ax.com,
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> typed:

They should also be payng for labor.

[James]

I've got a 12" Craftsman. Is this available for it? Thanks, Jim

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[dss]

James,

Here's the link I used.

http://radialarmsawrecall.com/

It doesn't look like the 12-inch are included.

dss

[SonomaProducts.com]

"insert" joke here

[martyn...@gmail.com]

Does anyone know where I can get the upgrade kit from. I've just bought a rash and there stopped doing the kit in Feb apparently. I'm in the UK

[Martin Eastburn]

I say. Do it. You won't look back. Better than before.

Martin

[rebec...@gmail.com]

I called this morning and when they offered the 100$ for sending in the old parts I told them that 100 would not replace the saw and I still needed to use it. The man said that they still had the kits and would send me the kit instead of the 100. You just have to ask when you call the number.

[keith.ric...@googlemail.com]

What was the number you call i recently bought one of these radial armsaws and found out the it need the upgrade guard..

[-MIKE-]

On 1/26/15 11:51 AM, keith.ric...@googlemail.com wrote:
> What was the number you call i recently bought one of these radial armsaws and found out the it need the upgrade guard..
>

http://bit.ly/15M7jmp


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[rics...@comcast.net]

I called Sears about the recall and they told me my saw wasn't affected (typical Sears BS) when I knew mine was. Called Emerson at 1-800-511-2628 and had them run the model and serial number. Sure enough, they sent me the retrofit kit which includes the new table parts. If they haven't accounted for all of the saws affected, they have to honor your request. Sears will try and tell you the recall has ended, but it hasn't. Emerson will try and offer you a $100 to send the carriage assembly back to them, but opt for the kit. I called them about a month ago and my retrofit kit got here yesterday and I've already gotten it installed. I have an electronic model and I wasn't about to disable a perfectly good saw. Just some info for all you other woodworkers out there.

[jpbo...@gmail.com]

just tried to call the 800-511-2628 number 6-19-2015. Worked earlier this week as Emerson RASrecall. But now says number is malfunctioning and Ridgid is making effort to correct problem by 22 June. Guess retrofit kits are no longer available. Bummer.

[Martin Eastburn]

The phone likely goes into a rotating bank of phones. e.g. a call
center. So if the digital unit went down, wait it out and order one.

It is worth it by all means. I use the new one.

Just when you get it, add a layer of mdf or better ply on the top of
the mdf which will save the new flat hard layer.

I'm concerned with absorption of water - my shop is not sealed or
conditioned. Sometimes it rains inside.
Put machine cover over it and it should be ok.

Martin

[paulvm...@yahoo.com]

[paulvm...@yahoo.com]

On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 10:28:18 PM UTC-4, rics...@comcast.net wrote:

> I called Sears about the recall and they told me my saw wasn't affected (typical Sears BS) when I knew mine was. Called Emerson at 1-800-511-2628 and had them run the model and serial number. Sure enough, they sent me the retrofit kit which includes the new table parts. If they haven't accounted for all of the saws affected, they have to honor your request. Sears will try and tell you the recall has ended, but it hasn't. Emerson will try and offer you a $100 to send the carriage assembly back to them, but opt for the kit. I called them about a month ago and my retrofit kit got here yesterday and I've already gotten it installed. I have an electronic model and I wasn't about to disable a perfectly good saw. Just some info for all you other woodworkers out there.

I have an electronic model also 113190600. Am going to chk on kit. Any advice. Thanks.

[paulvm...@yahoo.com]

On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 10:28:18 PM UTC-4, rics...@comcast.net wrote:

[ray56...@yahoo.com]

On Thursday, October 20, 2011 at 4:26:43 PM UTC-4, kimosabe wrote:

> This is old news for some guys. Sears will send you a free upgrade
> kit.

the new news is they are no longer sending a kit, instead you make the saw worthless by sending parts to the company and they will send you $100. Then you can buy a new one for $800, in otherwards you have been screwed.

[bnw...@gmail.com]

I don't think that is correct...I am pretty sure if your saw has the "T" pivot release lock handle, then it qualifies for the repair kit. It bears investigation I guess...

[k...@attt.bizz]

I got mine six or eight years ago and it's still in the box. ;-)
Some day I'll put the RAS back together.

[-MIKE-]

You should do it. It makes it a whole new machine.

[J. Clarke]

In article <ac5a3dfd-af70-4e6f...@googlegroups.com>,
ray56...@yahoo.com says...

That was always the case for some models.

[Unquestionably Confused]

That's correct. My particular model was never eligible for the retrofit
kit like the others. In the end though, IF it is true that
Sears/Emerson Electric is no longer sending out the kits, to say one is
screwed is a rather ridiculous statement.

I'm not sure, but I'm reasonably certain that the retrofit offer has
been out there and fairly well published (and discussed) for at least
two decades, probably more. If you didn't take advantage of it, whose
fault is that?

OTOH, even though my RAS model was only ever eligible for the "turn in"
offer of $100, it still runs as well as it did when I bought it in the
early 70's. AFAIAC, it's one of the better Sears RAS that still had
some "beef" and, when properly set up and tuned was and is a great RAS.

The only thing the recall ever addressed was safety guard issues that,
again, are pretty much "non-issues" if you exercise the due care
required when using such tools.

Just my two cents.

[J. Clarke]

In article <5794ad68$0$29507$c3e8da3$c8b7...@news.astraweb.com>,
puzz...@ameritech.net says...

Yep. To say that one is "screwed" is greatly overstating the case.
Getting a new table for free was nice, the new guard was more annoyance
than benefit and has been replaced with the old guard, so about all that
changed is that I saved the price of a half a sheet of MDF.

[Bill Leonhardt]

For what it's worth, I has a 9" Craftsman RAS stored away for possible resurrection in the future. Got it VERY cheap in a yard sale. I just realized it was a candidate for the recall. I sent in the request in May, got the return box in June and the $100 check last week.

So, if your saw is a candidate and you no longer want it, you can still get the $s.

Bill

[g...@mts.net]

On Thursday, October 20, 2011 at 3:26:43 PM UTC-5, kimosabe wrote:
> This is old news for some guys. Sears will send you a free upgrade
> kit.
>

> Craftsman Radial Arm Saw Recall
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7emIOjHC_g
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgjxwvHf9To

Tried to get a safety kit for my radial arm saw. They said it was no longer available. They wanted me to send parts of my working saw in to disable it and get a $100 rebate. My saw is worth a lot more than that, as it is used often. Would just like it to be safer. 8 87u 8u 8

[garyga...@gmail.com]

I call on Friday they said no more retrofit kits are available for my saw I have been using this saw for a long time and have had no issues with it so if they don't want to pay me it's value which to me is 500.00 as it makes me alot of money then it is on them if it does go to hell . Talked to my attorney he said they can't offer to fix just some and not all.

[J. Clarke]

In article <09b867d0-97aa-4c6b-a1e9-
e0c436...@googlegroups.com>,
garyga...@gmail.com says...

>
> I call on Friday they said no more retrofit kits are available for my saw I have been using this saw for a long time and have had no issues with it so if they don't want to pay me it's value which to me is 500.00 as it makes me alot of money then it is on them if it does go to hell . Talked to my attorney he said they can't offer to fix just some and not all.

The court has decided that they in fact _can_
fix just some and not all, so good luck with
that.

[Leon]

An attorney is going to tell you what ever you need to hear to continue
spending your money.

[krw]

On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 16:24:40 -0800 (PST), garyga...@gmail.com
wrote:

>I call on Friday they said no more retrofit kits are available for my saw I have been using this saw for a long time and have had no issues with it so if they don't want to pay me it's value which to me is 500.00 as it makes me alot of money then it is on them if it does go to hell . Talked to my attorney he said they can't offer to fix just some and not all.

So sue them. LOL!

[william mattert]

replying to martyn.grogan, william mattert wrote:
I am in the same boat they won't send me a new blade guard where do I find one?


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[wpmni...@gmail.com]

Do you want to sell it?

[k...@notreal.com]

I had mine for over ten years and it's still in its box, too, but I
don't think I'd sell it without the RAS.

[Unquestionably Confused]

Hmmmmmmmmm! There was the option of sending in the motor yoke (and
motor?) in a prepaid shipper and getting $100 back IIRC. Might try
going back to the well, so to speak, perhaps with a different name and
see if you can take advantage of Option B.

Then you'd have a kit available to sell.

Face it, RAS popularity is definitely waned. If it's working good, you
could probably get $100 to $125 for it without the modification. If you
modified it you could probably get the same $100 to $125. Sell the kit
for $75 and make some money. Just sayin'

My model was one that they NEVER made a kit for. My only option was to
sell them the yoke for $100 and dispose of the rest of the saw. Screw
that! It was and is a good solid saw that never gave me any problems
once I tuned it up. I can rip a 10' 1x or 2x using a good Freud rip
blade and come away with an edge that appears to have been run through a
jointer.

If you used the anti-kickback devices on the original as intended and
know what you're doing you'll have no problems. This whole thing comes
about with the government and lawyers (as usual) looking to design
safety devices to accommodate morons at the expense of the rest of us.

When I am king! ;)

[k...@notreal.com]

Fraud? For a hundred bucks? No thanks.

>
>Then you'd have a kit available to sell.
>
>Face it, RAS popularity is definitely waned. If it's working good, you
>could probably get $100 to $125 for it without the modification. If you
>modified it you could probably get the same $100 to $125. Sell the kit
>for $75 and make some money. Just sayin'

It was working well the last time I used it (some time before '93 ;-).

>
>My model was one that they NEVER made a kit for. My only option was to
>sell them the yoke for $100 and dispose of the rest of the saw. Screw
>that! It was and is a good solid saw that never gave me any problems
>once I tuned it up. I can rip a 10' 1x or 2x using a good Freud rip
>blade and come away with an edge that appears to have been run through a
>jointer.
>
>If you used the anti-kickback devices on the original as intended and
>know what you're doing you'll have no problems. This whole thing comes
>about with the government and lawyers (as usual) looking to design
>safety devices to accommodate morons at the expense of the rest of us.

I launched a spear once, after the cut but the worst was when I had it
come after me when cross-cuting, twice. Didn't much like that. I
feel much safer with the table saw. It does a much better job, too.

[russell...@yahoo.com]

On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 8:43:52 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Feb 2017 17:28:45 -0600, Unquestionably Confused

> >Face it, RAS popularity is definitely waned. If it's working good, you
> >could probably get $100 to $125 for it without the modification. If you
> >modified it you could probably get the same $100 to $125. Sell the kit
> >for $75 and make some money. Just sayin'
>
> It was working well the last time I used it (some time before '93 ;-).

Your statement does a very good job of illustrating how antiquated, useless, worthless, etc. radial arm saws are now. If you haven't used it in 25 years, its probably not that useful. $75-$100-$125? Once, maybe, that meant something to me. Now, I might whip IT out to put out a fire of a $100 bill. But if it was the middle of winter and cold, I might keep IT warm and let the $100 bill burn up too.

[-MIKE-]

On 2/3/17 1:12 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 8:43:52 PM UTC-6, k...@notreal.com
> wrote:
>> On Thu, 2 Feb 2017 17:28:45 -0600, Unquestionably Confused
>>> Face it, RAS popularity is definitely waned. If it's working
>>> good, you could probably get $100 to $125 for it without the
>>> modification. If you modified it you could probably get the same
>>> $100 to $125. Sell the kit for $75 and make some money. Just
>>> sayin'
>>
>> It was working well the last time I used it (some time before '93
>> ;-).
>
> Your statement does a very good job of illustrating how antiquated,
> useless, worthless, etc. radial arm saws are now.

I wouldn't go that far.
I have a table saw with a sled, a really good compound miter saw, and a
radial arm saw.

The RAS is set up on the workbench, ready to use at all times with
dedicated dust collection in the hood and behind the fence. It's my
"go-to" saw for quick, perfectly square, clean cuts on any length stock
up to almost 16" wide and wider with a simply flip of the piece.

I would not want to be without it because of how convenient it is in my
shop, how great it cuts, and how it leaves virtually no saw dust in the
air.

[k...@notreal.com]

Sure, it also says something about how much that additional $100 would
mean to me. There is a far higher chance that I'll use the RAS than
my *&*$ PC biscuit cutter. I haven't sold it either, even though I've
only used it once (and never will again).

[Unknown]

-MIKE- <mi...@mikedrumsDOT.com> wrote in news:o72mmi$jl2$1...@dont-email.me:

>
> I wouldn't go that far.
> I have a table saw with a sled, a really good compound miter saw, and a
> radial arm saw.
>
> The RAS is set up on the workbench, ready to use at all times with
> dedicated dust collection in the hood and behind the fence. It's my
> "go-to" saw for quick, perfectly square, clean cuts on any length stock
> up to almost 16" wide and wider with a simply flip of the piece.
>
> I would not want to be without it because of how convenient it is in my
> shop, how great it cuts, and how it leaves virtually no saw dust in the
> air.
>
>

I need to fit some sort of dust collection to my RAS, but other than that
it's a great saw. It took several days to tune up, but it was worth it!
I get square and true cuts with very little effort.

This guide was very helpful:

http://www.johnsonphotographic.com/goodstuff/owwm/Adjusting_DeWalt_Radial
_Arm_Saws.pdf

If you don't have a DeWalt, don't despair. You'll likely see the same
concepts expressed differently on other saws. There has to be a way to
set the blade true to the fence and true to the table, the arm parallel
to the table and so on.

Puckdropper
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[-MIKE-]

I don't know, man, but if you're into woodworking and making jigs and
whatnot, then you probably already process the skills and mental
fortitude to get one of these things all trued up.
I spent a good day taking mine apart, cleaning and greasing the parts,
putting the new (recall) parts on and getting everything square,
parallel, and true. After that it was in better shape than new. Of
course, I enjoy doing that kind of thing while listening to music or a
game and having a beer or two. Beats watching reality TV. :-)

[J. Clarke]

In article <o73p6i$lie$1...@dont-email.me>,
mi...@mikedrumsDOT.com says...

FWIW, Jon Eakes wrote a book about tuning radial
saws a long time ago--covers DeWalt, Craftsman,
and Delta in some detail and has some good ideas
about the principles involved.
<http://www.joneakes.com/learning-curve/75-
radial-arm-saws>.

Also, Wallace Kunkel's "Mr. Sawdust" book is a
good read <http://www.mrsawdust.com/index.php>--
setting up the saw is only a minor part of it--
he started at deWalt in the late '40s or early
'50s and stayed there until he retired and he
knew radial saws inside and out. Note that the
family's facebook page
<https://www.facebook.com/mrsawdust/> is worth
seeing--several of his sons became woodworkers
and there's a good bit of their output on the
page.

[Unquestionably Confused]

On 2/3/2017 11:36 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 2/3/17 11:08 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
>> -MIKE- <mi...@mikedrumsDOT.com> wrote in news:o72mmi$jl2$1...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>>
>>> I wouldn't go that far.
>>> I have a table saw with a sled, a really good compound miter saw, and a
>>> radial arm saw.

[snip]

> I don't know, man, but if you're into woodworking and making jigs and
> whatnot, then you probably already process the skills and mental
> fortitude to get one of these things all trued up.
> I spent a good day taking mine apart, cleaning and greasing the parts,
> putting the new (recall) parts on and getting everything square,
> parallel, and true. After that it was in better shape than new. Of
> course, I enjoy doing that kind of thing while listening to music or a
> game and having a beer or two. Beats watching reality TV. :-)

LOL! Having an impacted wisdom tooth removed without anesthetic beats
reality television.

As the guide pointed out, the RAS CAN be (in most instances) a great
tool if one takes the time to understand the adjustments, makes them,
and keeps the saw in good repair. I can only speak to my ca 1969
Craftsman RAS but once trued up it stayed true and is a great tool.

After mine was made Sears started getting cute with lotsa plastic,
digital readouts and I doubt (judging from the feel of those later
designs) that they were anywhere near as good as most of the earlier models.

[-MIKE-]

You're probably right about that.

[Keith Ruttenberg]

replying to krw, Keith Ruttenberg wrote:
Are you interested in selling the retrokit ?
What model recall kit is it?
thanks

[diykrut]

replying to krw, diykrut wrote:
hello,
Are you interested in selling your retrofit kit?
What model is it?

[diykrut]

replying to krw, diykrut wrote:

Do you happen to have the complete recall kit 509346 that you want to part
with?

[reisari...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, October 20, 2011 at 4:26:43 PM UTC-4, kimosabe wrote:
> This is old news for some guys. Sears will send you a free upgrade
> kit.
>

[jacques bein]

replying to kimosabe, jacques bein wrote:
> Craftsman Radial Arm Saw Recall

model 113.199200c
serie 4097.m0218

[James wilkins]

replying to jpbouvais, James wilkins wrote:
This is not very good for Sears, I can't get up grade for my saw.

[DerbyDad03]

On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 12:14:09 AM UTC-5, James wilkins wrote:
> replying to jpbouvais, James wilkins wrote:
> This is not very good for Sears, I can't get up grade for my saw.
>

Why is your inability to get an upgrade "not very good" for Sears? I'd say it's
not very good for *you*.

BTW...things have not been good for Sears for quite a while now.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/11/here-are-5-things-sears-got-wrong-that-sped-its-fall.html

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/15/business/sears-outlook-bankruptcy-anniversary/index.html

[k...@notreal.com]

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 08:33:12 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 12:14:09 AM UTC-5, James wilkins wrote:
>> replying to jpbouvais, James wilkins wrote:
>> This is not very good for Sears, I can't get up grade for my saw.
>>
>
>
>Why is your inability to get an upgrade "not very good" for Sears? I'd say it's
>not very good for *you*.
>
>BTW...things have not been good for Sears for quite a while now.

See! It wasn't very good for Sears. ;-)
>
>https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/11/here-are-5-things-sears-got-wrong-that-sped-its-fall.html
>
>https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/15/business/sears-outlook-bankruptcy-anniversary/index.html

Yeah, they've been pretty useless for the last 30-40 years. J.C
Penney is following the same path to the grave that got Monkey Ward
and is swallowing Sears.

[mark 1780]

replying to rebecca2057, mark 1780 wrote:
what the number for the upgrade ?

[Jbrwcky]

replying to diykrut, Jbrwcky wrote:
Where did you get upgrade kit from for Radial Arm saw part #509346,doesn't
register with Sears Parts Direct #s?

[Spalted Walt]

Jbrwcky wrote:
> replying to diykrut, Jbrwcky wrote:
> Where did you get upgrade kit from for Radial Arm saw part #509346,doesn't
> register with Sears Parts Direct #s?

Prolly because it was an Emerson part #, which they no longer offer:
http://radialarmsawrecall.com/
http://radialarmsawrecall.com/faq.aspx

[Richard Beck]

replying to william mattert, Richard Beck wrote:
How do I go about getting the upgrade kit.

[Scott Lurndal]

Richard Beck <caedfaa9ed1216d60ef...@example.com> writes:
>replying to william mattert, Richard Beck wrote:
>How do I go about getting the upgrade kit.

Invent a time machine.

[DerbyDad03]

Is there a jig for that?

[Markem]

Maybe a Hot Tub?

[k...@notreal.com]

On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 19:14:03 +0000, Richard Beck
<caedfaa9ed1216d60ef...@example.com> wrote:

>replying to william mattert, Richard Beck wrote:
>How do I go about getting the upgrade kit.

Buy one from someone who has one? Oh, you want something for nothing.
Never mind.

[John McGaw]

No, I think this would be a job for a Delorean but only if the flux
capacitor is up to full charge.

[Puckdropper]

John McGaw <Nob...@Nowh.ere> wrote in
news:l0iYF.130653$mJ2....@fx23.iad:

Or a police phone box.

[Markem]

On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 11:02:24 -0500, John McGaw <Nob...@Nowh.ere>
wrote:

But will can Delorean actually get to 88 MPH?

[John McGaw]

In free-fall on a good day...

--
Bodger's Dictum: Artifical intelligence
can never overcome natural stupidity.

[drgary]

replying to dss, drgary wrote:
Did you cut the power cord as per the instruct?

[krystalza...@gmail.com]

I need a new upgrade for my saw mald no 113.199250 6047 n Mascher street Philadelphia pa 19120 thanks you

[hub...@ccanoemail.ca]

On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 10:33:37 -0700 (PDT), krystalza...@gmail.com
wrote:

>I need a new upgrade for my saw mald no 113.199250 6047
> n Mascher street Philadelphia pa 19120
> thanks you

You wait right there in the car -
I'll be along shortly with the kit.

http://tinyurl.com/ug57je3

Thanks you too.
John T.

[DerbyDad03]

Philly! Love that city. I wouldn't want to live there, but we have a good
friend that has a business-owned condo overlooking Washington Square Park
that we use every couple of years.

The Mütter Museum...always a barrel of laughs.

http://muttermuseum.org/collections/

[Jim B.]

I have been in touch with Emerson regarding the radial arm saw recall. Their answer is to cut the power cord in two places and send photos with the cut cord and model and serial number to get a check for $50.00 dollars. That leaves me with an unusable piece of junk. I like your idea of the upgrade, but how do I go about it?

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[Alain Désourdy]

Hi Jim,
I had an Electronic 10" radial arm saw from my father heritage in 1986. I think mine is a 1979 but not sure. First time I read about this recall. What is the problem? I read somewhere else that they were sending a new gard and other parts. Is that also true?
Thanks

[Jim B.]

Bonjour Alain: Yes. The new guard is a safety feature that was the reason for the recall. It looks like the recall is out of date. I didn't know about the upgrade, but I thought I would give it a try. If you go to Emerson RAS recall it will show you what to do. If the saw still works, I wouldn't recommend it.