Delta 10" vs. Grizzly G1022
FT SHOOTER
>
>Is the Delta worth the extra $200? Are the saws of similar quality?
Yes,then no,in that order.The Grizzley is a good kit,but mostDelta contractor
saws arrive ready for work.
LOU V.K. <FTSh...@aol.com>
DavidSloan
Read the current issue of American Woodworker mag (December 1997--AW #63).
There's a shop test and rating of 9 contractor's tablesaws including the two
Delta Contractor saws and the Grizzly G1022ZF
We tested the fully-equipped models with premium fence and extension tables (if
available).
Editor's Choice winners (best performance regardless of price) were:
Delta Contractor's Saw 34-445
Jet JWTS-10CW-PF
Delta Contractor's Saw II 36-640
Best Buy winner (best performance for the price) was:
Grizzly G1022ZF
Read the article for the nitty gritty details.
David Sloan
editor & publisher
American Woodworker magazine
Ken Carroll
He probably drives a Japanese car, listens to a Japanese stereo, owns a
Japanese camera, watches a Japanese TV etc etc. Still, don't do as I
do...Do as I say!
--
Regards,
Ken.
FT SHOOTER wrote:
> > I don't have to tell you how many unemployed americans are out
> >there because guys like you decide to take up a new hobby and put two
> >or three americans out of work. Do us all a big favor and get another
> >hobby!
>
> First it was Shop Smith,now,it'sGrizzley.I wonder if this guy has a
> toothache,or if she said NO!!!
> LOU V.K. <FTSh...@aol.com>
Richy
Listen, I've been giving advice, and lots of it, around here for quite
a while. The Delta is American made and Grizzly is cheap Tiawanese
trash. I don't have to tell you how many unemployed americans are out
there because guys like you decide to take up a new hobby and put two
or three americans out of work. Do us all a big favor and get another
hobby!
On 2 Nov 1997 17:20:06 GMT, "DC" <dcav...@netusa1.net> wrote:
>I am about to purchase a 10" contractors table saw. I had previously
>narrowed my search to Delta's 10" Contractor saw. However, in the process
>of deciding if I can afford to kick in the extra cash for a 30 " table and
>a Unifence, I came across a Grizzly add. This add shows the model G1022
>for $375 + $ 30 shipping. My Delta investigations say I will pay $650 - a
>$50 rebate.
>
>Is the Delta worth the extra $200? Are the saws of similar quality?
>
>Thanks in advance for your help
>
>Ps. I have unsuccessfully searched Dejanews for a comparison. If the
>information is posted somewhere please provide me with an address
jfm...@capecod.net
In article <19971103200...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
ftsh...@aol.com (FT SHOOTER) wrote:
>
> >
> >Is the Delta worth the extra $200? Are the saws of similar quality?
>
> saws arrive ready for work.
> LOU V.K. <FTSh...@aol.com>
Uhm, I'd say no and yes, in that order.
Over the years I have put together two Deltas and one Grizzly. The Deltas
needed considerable adjustment to align them properly. After that
experience I bought myself a Grizzly 1022. To my pleasant surprise,the
Grizzly was true out of the box. I would add that it was about ten years
ago for the Deltas and two years ago for the Grizzly, so maybe Delta has
gotten better.
'Similar' quality...tough call. I like the cast wings on the Grizzly
better than the cheapo stamped steel on the Delta. I prefer the switch
on the Grizzly to the rather cheesy and hard to find toggle switch on the
Delta. That's a matter for individual taste. The Grizzly seems to me to
be more like the long discontinued Delta\Rockwell 'Tilting Arbor Saw'
rather than the Contractor's saw.
Regards
J.F. Milliken-Boatbuilder
Cape Cod
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Joel Jacobson
The Delta is American made and Grizzly is cheap Tiawanese
>trash. I don't have to tell you how many unemployed americans are out
>there because guys like you decide to take up a new hobby and put two
>or three americans out of work. Do us all a big favor and get another
>hobby!
Strange logic. If he never bought any saw at all, how would that prevent
"two or three americans" from losing their jobs?
Hoff Stuart
Ralph Lindberg & Ellen Winnie wrote:
>
> In article <345f7efd...@news1.ibm.net>, hau...@mbi.org (Richy) wrote:
>
> >Listen, I've been giving advice, and lots of it, around here for quite
> >trash. I don't have to tell you how many unemployed americans are out
> >there because guys like you decide to take up a new hobby and put two
> >or three americans out of work. Do us all a big favor and get another
> >hobby!
> the only items still made here where the Unisaws, not the contractor at
> all. I do believe that they are made in, guess what, Taiwan.
>
> --
> Ralph Lindberg N7BSN <n7...@callsign.net>
> RV and Camping FAQ <http://kendaco.telebyte.net/rlindber/rv/>
> Just because MS-Window's holds 90% of the market doesn't mean it's
> superior. Remember 90% of all animals are insects.
I believe the Delta contractor's saw is still made in the US. Perhaps
you're thinking of the contractor's II? Check out Delta's web site.
Hoff Stuart
Ralph Lindberg & Ellen Winnie
Mark Kepke
In article <345EAA40...@sirius.com>, Ken Carroll
<kcar...@sirius.com> wrote:
>He probably drives a Japanese car, listens to a Japanese stereo, owns a
>Japanese camera, watches a Japanese TV etc etc. Still, don't do as I
>do...Do as I say!
>--
>Regards,
> Ken.
>
>FT SHOOTER wrote:
>
>> > I don't have to tell you how many unemployed americans are out
>> >there because guys like you decide to take up a new hobby and put two
>> >or three americans out of work. Do us all a big favor and get another
>> >hobby!
>>
>> First it was Shop Smith,now,it'sGrizzley.I wonder if this guy has a
>> toothache,or if she said NO!!!
>> LOU V.K. <FTSh...@aol.com>
The trolling was never easier, eh Rich ? What's that, about three in
three hours ?
-Mark
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Richy
Richy <hau...@mbi.org> wrote in article
<345f7efd...@news1.ibm.net>...
> Listen, I've been giving advice, and lots of it, around here for quite
> a while.
Come on guys, this line should have been a dead give-away. Obviously I
didn't write this rubbish.
e Delta is American made and Grizzly is cheap Tiawanese
> trash. I don't have to tell you how many unemployed americans are out
> there because guys like you decide to take up a new hobby and put two
> or three americans out of work. Do us all a big favor and get another
> hobby!
Some jerk is posting under my name in an attempt to diss me. It's
unfortunate that so many of you were fooled so easily. Oh, well.
Rich
Lee Adkins
In <rlindber-041...@ashlar121.telebyte.com>, rlin...@telebyte.com (Ralph Lindberg & Ellen Winnie) writes:
>In article <345f7efd...@news1.ibm.net>, hau...@mbi.org (Richy) wrote:
>
>>trash. I don't have to tell you how many unemployed americans are out
>>there because guys like you decide to take up a new hobby and put two
>>or three americans out of work. Do us all a big favor and get another
>>hobby!
>the only items still made here where the Unisaws, not the contractor at
>all. I do believe that they are made in, guess what, Taiwan.
>
>--
Perhaps you are thinking about Contractor II?
Lee
Richy
Richy <hau...@mbi.org> wrote in article
<01bce930$0644b780$be01...@mbi190.mbi.org>...
>
>
> Richy <hau...@mbi.org> wrote in article
> <345f7efd...@news1.ibm.net>...
> > Listen, I've been giving advice, and lots of it, around here for quite
> > a while.
>
> Come on guys, this line should have been a dead give-away. Obviously I
> didn't write this rubbish.
So it turns out the loser is Brian Sawyer. The poor guy must have a chip
on his shoulder as big as a house. Ironically I hadn't even done anything
to him - just asked him to clarify a point.
Brian, I doubt IBM will look kindly on your little impersonations.
I would normally attribute this sort of extreme childishness to a 'shiny
new net account', as Paddy would say. But it turns out this guy has been
around a bit. Go figure.
Rich
Mark Flanagan
The logic of this statement does not hold true. If His gentleman did not
buy a saw and in your words "Do us all a big favor and get another
hobby!", then no Americans would benefit Unless the new hobby consisted of
American made products. But If he did purchase the Grizzly, the American
workers at the Grizzly outlet would benefit, the shipping company that
delivers it to your door will benefit, the after market tool guys will
benefit, The shippers they use will benefit, the American tax system will
benefit, so on and so on. I can only hope that you made this statement in
a fit of rage over a philosophical need to support every American worker.
In this world economy though it would be erroneous to expect us to buy
only American. You must not buy any new cars with your need to only buy
American products. The high percentage of foreign made parts would be
beyond your sensibilities. Looking at a base gut level feel I have the
same emotions as you. But reviewing it intellectually I can find no basis
for your logic statement.
In article <345f7efd...@news1.ibm.net>, hau...@mbi.org (Richy) wrote:
> Listen, I've been giving advice, and lots of it, around here for quite
> a while. The Delta is American made and Grizzly is cheap Tiawanese
> trash. I don't have to tell you how many unemployed americans are out
> there because guys like you decide to take up a new hobby and put two
> or three americans out of work. Do us all a big favor and get another
> hobby!
>
> On 2 Nov 1997 17:20:06 GMT, "DC" <dcav...@netusa1.net> wrote:
>
> >I am about to purchase a 10" contractors table saw. I had previously
> >narrowed my search to Delta's 10" Contractor saw. However, in the process
> >of deciding if I can afford to kick in the extra cash for a 30 " table and
> >a Unifence, I came across a Grizzly add. This add shows the model G1022
> >for $375 + $ 30 shipping. My Delta investigations say I will pay $650 - a
> >$50 rebate.
> >
> >Is the Delta worth the extra $200? Are the saws of similar quality?
> >
dne...@ebicom.net
ftsh...@aol.com (FT SHOOTER) wrote:
>>
>>Is the Delta worth the extra $200? Are the saws of similar quality?
>Yes,then no,in that order.The Grizzley is a good kit,but mostDelta contractor
> saws arrive ready for work.
>LOU V.K. <FTSh...@aol.com>
Unisaws, Cabinet Saws, Contractor Saws and Contracctor II Saws by
DELTA are all made in the United STates of America at the Delta
Manufacturing Center in Tupelo, Mississippi. Delta has made a
significant investment and committment to producing theses products
along with many others in the USA. Check out the web site. All the
Taiwan saws are mere copies of the original Delta designs.
Brian Sawyer
On 4 Nov 1997 16:37:12 GMT, "Richy" <hau...@mbi.org> wrote:
>> Come on guys, this line should have been a dead give-away. Obviously I
>> didn't write this rubbish.
>
>So it turns out the loser is Brian Sawyer. The poor guy must have a chip
>on his shoulder as big as a house.
Listen Richy, I don't know what you are doing in your shop...with what
varnishes, or toxic sawdust from what ever, but your delusional
behavior in blaming me for postings you want to disassociate your self
from are not my problem. So don't try and make it so, BUb cause you
ain't my problem. I took issue with you on the Corian/Granite thread
because you seem to have difficulty in discerning the difference
between solid surface materials like Corian and Surreal from
reconstituted granite products like Granirex from real Granite.
Again...not my problem, so why don't you go back in the shop and stay
away from those nasty chemicals in your paint pot and work on some
nice dovetail joints or whatever other therapy you deem adequate to
the task at hand...to leave me out of your accusations. The news
group will be better off for it.
TERRY GERROS
Hi,
Interesting comment on the Contractor II saw. I just saw one in Home
Depot with the Made in the USA sticker on it. I also called Delta and
spoke with one of their representatives day before yesterday to find out
the difference between 34-444 and 36-640, the 36-640 (Cont. II) is made
of lighter gauge material, but the lady told me it was made in the US.
I am assuming only 30% though. I just recently bought a Delta 14"
bandsaw that was supposedly made in the US, now I wonder.
Terry Gerros
In article <19971105153...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
ftsh...@aol.com says...
>>
>>
>
>This is a false statement,which I feel was made out of ignorance of the
> facts.The Delta ContractorII is made entirely in Taiwan.For any
manufacturer
> to claim,"made in the USA",at least 30 percent of each assy.must be
made
> here,that is all.I am not certain,and doubt,that Delta will
divulge,whether
> ALL of the parts,and All of the assy.labor is domestically done on
their
> Unisaw,or the Contractor saw.
>LOU V.K. <FTSh...@aol.com>
John Horner
Richy wrote:
>
> Listen, I've been giving advice, and lots of it, around here for quite
> a while. The Delta is American made and Grizzly is cheap Tiawanese
> trash. I don't have to tell you how many unemployed americans are out
> there because guys like you decide to take up a new hobby and put two
> or three americans out of work. Do us all a big favor and get another
> hobby!
Delta contracts out the majority of their tool manufacturing to Taiwan.
The fact that they build a small portion of their catalog at a US plant
isn't very impressive. I have two Delta bench top powertools in my
shop at the moment and both were Made in Taiwan.
Grow up.
John
John Horner
dne...@ebicom.net wrote:
>
> Unisaws, Cabinet Saws, Contractor Saws and Contracctor II Saws by
> DELTA are all made in the United STates of America at the Delta
> Manufacturing Center in Tupelo, Mississippi. Delta has made a
> significant investment and committment to producing theses products
> along with many others in the USA. Check out the web site. All the
> Taiwan saws are mere copies of the original Delta designs.
Not so many years ago, all Delta products sold in the US were made in
the US. Now many of them are made in Taiwan. The "copiers in Taiwan"
for the most part were *trained and put into the business by Delta*. It
is pretty hard to wrap a big-ol US flag around Delta when they are
actively promoting the export of power tool manufacturing to Taiwan.
John
Ralph Lindberg & Ellen Winnie
>Not so many years ago, all Delta products sold in the US were made in
>the US. Now many of them are made in Taiwan. The "copiers in Taiwan"
>for the most part were *trained and put into the business by Delta*. It
>is pretty hard to wrap a big-ol US flag around Delta when they are
>actively promoting the export of power tool manufacturing to Taiwan.
Actually it goes beyond that, the "made in usa" label probably should
read "assembled in the usa from foreign and domestic parts". I doubt there
is -any- product that is 100% American made, or even of USA/Canadian
origin.
Richy
John Horner <jtho...@garlic.com> wrote in article
>
>
> Delta contracts out the majority of their tool manufacturing to Taiwan.
> The fact that they build a small portion of their catalog at a US plant
> isn't very impressive. I have two Delta bench top powertools in my
> shop at the moment and both were Made in Taiwan.
Bench top tools are virtually always imported. The main delta line
(unisaw, CS and its spinoffs, and the 14" bandsaw) are still US made, and
still own their respective markets. Jointers, portable tools, and the
cheap TS's are imported.
Rich
John K. Warsaw
Delta may be "American", but some of the stuff they sell is made in
Taiwan. I have one of their radial drill presses, and the workmanship
is pretty poor.
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James F. Shidler
Mark Flanagan wrote:
>
> The logic of this statement does not hold true. If His gentleman did not
> buy a saw and in your words "Do us all a big favor and get another
> hobby!", then no Americans would benefit Unless the new hobby consisted of
> American made products. But If he did purchase the Grizzly, the American
> workers at the Grizzly outlet would benefit, the shipping company that
> delivers it to your door will benefit, the after market tool guys will
> benefit, The shippers they use will benefit, the American tax system will
> benefit, so on and so on. I can only hope that you made this statement in
> a fit of rage over a philosophical need to support every American worker.
> In this world economy though it would be erroneous to expect us to buy
> only American. You must not buy any new cars with your need to only buy
> American products. The high percentage of foreign made parts would be
> beyond your sensibilities. Looking at a base gut level feel I have the
> same emotions as you. But reviewing it intellectually I can find no basis
> for your logic statement.
Amen - Now would someone please answer the actual question of
performance. Is a griz close enough to the delta to warrent purchase
for 200 less. I'm also now looking and looking at both the delta
contractors or a griz.
Jim Manhart
In article <34621E...@rcsuna.wtc.nmc.gmeds.com>, "James F. Shidler"
<shid...@rcsuna.wtc.nmc.gmeds.com> wrote:
I think that there is a review of table saws in the latest issue of
American Woodworker.
jfm...@capecod.net
Having used both, I'd say that they are at least equal. In some ways
(T-slots, better switch) I like the Grizzly better.
J.F. Milliken, Boatbuilder
Joe Fleming
Doesn't the "Z" have a better fence too?
Stephen Bigelow wrote:
>
> OK, so now for the big question. Why is there a $75 price difference btw
> the Grizzly 1022 and the Grizzly 1022Z?
>
> Don't tell me its the blade and the hat.
>
> In article <8786220...@dejanews.com>, <jfm...@capecod.net> wrote:
> >In article <19971103200...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
> > ftsh...@aol.com (FT SHOOTER) wrote:
> >>
> >
> >Uhm, I'd say no and yes, in that order.
> >
> >Over the years I have put together two Deltas and one Grizzly. The Deltas
> >needed considerable adjustment to align them properly. After that
> >experience I bought myself a Grizzly 1022. To my pleasant surprise,the
> >Grizzly was true out of the box. I would add that it was about ten years
> >ago for the Deltas and two years ago for the Grizzly, so maybe Delta has
> >gotten better.
> >Regards
> >
> >J.F. Milliken-Boatbuilder
> >
> >Cape Cod
> >
>
> --
> -Steve
>
> big...@teleport.com
FT SHOOTER
>
>OK, so now for the big question. Why is there a $75 price difference btw
>the Grizzly 1022 and the Grizzly 1022Z?
>
>Don't tell me its the blade and the hat.
You are right.The price differential is due to the premium quality fence.
LOU V.K. <FTSh...@aol.com>
WRAITH371
there is very little difference between the g1022 and the g1022z. the new
g1022zf and g1022zfx both come with the shop fox, machined steel pulleys,
power twist belts. and american made motors 1.5 hp and 2 hp. i hope this
helps.
Nancy A. Kroes
In article <01bcf3c1$3af4f120$0e75020a@mickstix>, "mick" <mick...@theonramp.net> writes:
> Yes, the 1998 Tool Buyers Guide says the "Z" has a new designed fence. Im
> assuming its the "Shop Fox" fence, but I could be wrong.
> Mick
>
> Joe Fleming <joe.f...@sandiegoca.ncr.com> wrote in article
> <34706D...@sandiegoca.ncr.com>...
>> Doesn't the "Z" have a better fence too?
I believe the G1023Z has the Shop Fox fence but the G1022Z
does not. It is an improved fence over the standard issue
fence on the G1022 but not as nice looking at that on the G1023Z.
I have the G1022 and if I were buying today (it wasn't available
when I bought my G1022), I would pay the extra $75 for the G1022Z.