Dado blades on a radial arm saw: Safe?
Stevens
books, posted on amazon.com. It criticized the book for
several allegedly unsafe practices, including use of a
dado blade on a radial arm saw. The review was pretty
negative in general, so much so that I wondered if it
might be written by someone with an ulterior motive.
Nevertheless, I am wondering if use of a dado cutter
on a radial really is unsafe.
Opinions?
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Debbie Yavercovski
better wear good safety glasses. In general, I find radial arm saws
dangerous for anything but standard cross cuts. Ripping particulary can be
dangerous. the saw has to be very well tuned and aligned (and it never
stays that way for long), and all the safety precautions have to be taken.
It still is scary at times. So scary that I do not want to do it anymore.
The issue is not that it cannot be done. Done lots of cuts without problem,
but sometimes, something is not set perferctly right, or there is a knot in
the wood , or the whether is bad, or whatever, and ... full boards fly ...
fast!
I wonder what other woodworkers think of it.
Michel
Stevens wrote in message <35CFB6...@erols.com>...
bob
wrote:
>I recently read a reader review of one of Norm Abram's
>books, posted on amazon.com. It criticized the book for
>several allegedly unsafe practices, including use of a
>dado blade on a radial arm saw. The review was pretty
>negative in general, so much so that I wondered if it
>might be written by someone with an ulterior motive.
>Nevertheless, I am wondering if use of a dado cutter
>on a radial really is unsafe.
>
>Opinions?
Maybe the review was written by Bob Vila <g>.
In my opinion, it's safer to use a dado blade on a radial arm saw than
on a table saw.
bob
Hank Metz
work, a dado blade is quite safe in a radial arm saw. Some argument could be
made that pushing the head through the work is riskier, but many individuals
seem to prefer this method without undue harm. In a plough (rip)
orientation, I'd be apprehensive, and would opt to use the tablesaw for this
type of cut. One last point concerns the dado head type, and I think that
almost universally, the feeling is the wobble style is a very poor choice
for the radial arm saw- the stack dado model being preferred for it's
minimum vibration.
Hank Metz,
A Woodworker's Notebook
http://www.ameritech.net/users/hankm/index.htm
Stevens wrote in message <35CFB6...@erols.com>...
>I recently read a reader review of one of Norm Abram's
>books, posted on amazon.com. It criticized the book for
>several allegedly unsafe practices, including use of a
>dado blade on a radial arm saw. The review was pretty
>negative in general, so much so that I wondered if it
>might be written by someone with an ulterior motive.
>Nevertheless, I am wondering if use of a dado cutter
>on a radial really is unsafe.
>
>Opinions?
>
W. Ivey
saw and never felt I was in any more danger than usual.
In fact, I felt more secure with the radial arm saw cutting
dadoes since the wood was securely supported, didn't
have to be moved, and I could see what was going on.
Better precision, too , in my opinion. You can work up
to a pencil line much more easily when you're cutting
from the top.
Cutting a dado the length of a board, now, that's a bit
scarier and I'd probably opt to do that on a table saw
if possible. If I had to use a radial arm saw in that mode,
I'd make sure everything was just right before getting
started, and never get too close to, or inline with, the
dado blade.
Don't think I'd want to use a wobble dado at all, or if
I had to, I'd set it narrow and make two or three passes. -Wm
Dave Mundt
Vincible Overlord.
Just using a radial Arm Saw is unsafe...as is the use of ANY tool
in woodworking. Just remember that if it is sharp/powerful enough to
slice cheerfully through that wood (pine and up), it won't EVEN slow
down for flesh and bone.
Having said that....I have used MY two-blade wobble dado on MY
radial arm saw for years with no problems. It DOES require care, as I
think that the increased number of teeth/cuts produces a bit more pull
than the "normal" blade. However, beyond that, it is fine.
It is a lot more scary to use a molding head on the blasted thing.
It also occurs to me that unless you have a decent quality one,
there MIGHT be enough flex and lack of power to make it more likely to
grab and run at you....but with my Rockwell saw, it is not at all a
problem.
Regards
Dave Mundt
Stevens <just...@erols.com> wrote:
>I recently read a reader review of one of Norm Abram's
>books, posted on amazon.com. It criticized the book for
>several allegedly unsafe practices, including use of a
>dado blade on a radial arm saw. The review was pretty
>negative in general, so much so that I wondered if it
>might be written by someone with an ulterior motive.
>Nevertheless, I am wondering if use of a dado cutter
>on a radial really is unsafe.
>
>Opinions?
>
>--
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>DSFX International, Falls Church, VA - (703) 207-0600
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Steve:
I've used my dado blade(s) on my DeWalt 10" RAS for some 35 years with out any
problem. I use it exclusively on my RAS. One problem I had with my old Sears
Wobble dado (for 30 Years) was that I couldn't use my blade guard, which I
definately didn't like.
I recently purchased the Jasada 8" set and tested it on both my Unisaw and my
old RAS and believe it or not, there were no splintering on the RAS and there
was slight, but definate splintering on my Unisaw. I was really amazed at
those results. AND I can use my saw guide with the Jasada set! I have to
leave out the first ( closest to the motor) RAS washer and I reverse the outer
one so that I can get 3 thread turns showing above the nut, but I've been
setting up my dados for decades like that without any ill effects.
Dan McMahon
San Antonio, Tx.
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Tom Arcati
Have used both the "wobbler" and more recently a stacked dado with no
problems with either. If you use the guard and safe procedures on a
well adjusted saw there should be no problems.
I have been to shops using them in table saws - now that scares me! The
blade sticking out of the table and you cannot see it so good and only
one shop I've seen uses a guard. I will stick with my RAS.
Tom
Jim Jagielski
> I recently read a reader review of one of Norm Abram's
> books, posted on amazon.com. It criticized the book for
> several allegedly unsafe practices, including use of a
> dado blade on a radial arm saw. The review was pretty
> negative in general, so much so that I wondered if it
> might be written by someone with an ulterior motive.
> Nevertheless, I am wondering if use of a dado cutter
> on a radial really is unsafe.
>
IMO using a dado blade on a RAS is safer than using one on the
table saw, if only because you can see what you're doing. It's
easier to control the feed with a RAS as well, then on a TS.
Of course, the general wisdom nowadays is to use routing for dados
whereever possible.
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inaccurate... definately
Stevens <just...@erols.com> wrote in article <35CFB6...@erols.com>...
> I recently read a reader review of one of Norm Abram's
> books, posted on amazon.com. It criticized the book for
> several allegedly unsafe practices, including use of a
> dado blade on a radial arm saw. The review was pretty
> negative in general, so much so that I wondered if it
> might be written by someone with an ulterior motive.
> Nevertheless, I am wondering if use of a dado cutter
> on a radial really is unsafe.
>
Tom Arcati
> unsafe... maybe
> inaccurate... definately
Why? Have you even used one?
Safety - on a RAS you can see what you are doing a whole lot better then
a table saw. when crosscutting you move the blade/motor and not the
wood so there is less chance to put your hand in the blade (also because
you can see the blade). Because you are not moving the wood you should
also get a more accurate cut with a well adjusted saw. What's the
opinion, "table saws are much safer" - yea right BS. Having that blade
sticking up out of the table with no guard over it - like almost
everyone uses it. Yea that's safe. That's one reason why my RAS gets
more use then my table saw (besides ripping wide sheets which is easier
to setup on the table).
Accuracy - a RAS can be very accurate if any care at all is put into
adjusting and maintaining them. Yea it takes a bit of time the first
time to properly set one up, but the periodic checks and cleaning only
take a minute or two. Once setup properly these saws are very accurate
and basically stay that way unless you do something stupid like
hammering on table, beating on arm or some other neanderthal move.
Steve LaBroad
This isn't directed specifically to you Tom; What do(es) you and/or the
group think about dado blades on sliding (compound) miter saws? I'm
thinking that the blade may want to climb up out of the cut more than a
RAS, but given a mote of caution, will dado blades work mostly
acceptably? (How's that for a "weaselly" question? Lots of wiggle room
there.) Will they even fit?
--
-----
Steve LaBroad
RalphEd601
>on a radial really is unsafe.
Actually, IMHO, the only truly safe thing to use on a radial arm saw,( I've
owned and used one for 18 years), is a pair of rubber gripped wire cutters on
the power cord!!
Larry Jaques
>unsafe... maybe
>inaccurate... definately
>Stevens <just...@erols.com> wrote in article <35CFB6...@erols.com>...
>> Nevertheless, I am wondering if use of a dado cutter
>> on a radial really is unsafe.
Unsafe? MOST likely.
Inaccurate? MOST definitely.
Destructive? MOST assuredly. The drill-motor bearings aren't
designed for that lateral load and/or vibration.
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miter saw out there that has an arbor LONG enough to run one of these
puppies on it.
If you want to do this sort of thing with the compound miter saw,
you typically have to do Norm's trick of "nibbling" the area away with
multiple passes of the blade.
At least one of the saws on the market does have a stop for the
vertical cut, to make this process easier...
Regards
Dave Mundt
Steve LaBroad <slab...@wwnet.net> wrote:
*snip*
>This isn't directed specifically to you Tom; What do(es) you and/or the
>group think about dado blades on sliding (compound) miter saws? I'm
>thinking that the blade may want to climb up out of the cut more than a
>RAS, but given a mote of caution, will dado blades work mostly
>acceptably? (How's that for a "weaselly" question? Lots of wiggle room
>there.) Will they even fit?
>--
>-----
>Steve LaBroad
Remove the mapson. from the email address to get to me...
Frank Shapiro
the blade is below a steel surface which it would be unable to penetrate if
it flew apart. However while using I can see the RAS being safer there.
I have a 10" RAS and was curious if an 8" Dado is wise to use or should a
10" be purchased. My thought was the outside edge of the 8" would be
rotating slower and thus possibly be the wiser of the two. Im open to
ideas...... or information on what others use on their RAS's.
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Jim Jagielski <j...@jaguNET.com> wrote in article
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t>...
> In article <35CFB6...@erols.com>, just...@erols.com wrote:
>
> > I recently read a reader review of one of Norm Abram's
> > books, posted on amazon.com. It criticized the book for
> > several allegedly unsafe practices, including use of a
> > dado blade on a radial arm saw. The review was pretty
> > negative in general, so much so that I wondered if it
> > might be written by someone with an ulterior motive.
> > Nevertheless, I am wondering if use of a dado cutter
> > on a radial really is unsafe.
> >
>
Tom Arcati
> Would not the table saw be in reality the safer considering the
> majority of
> the blade is below a steel surface which it would be unable to
> penetrate if
> it flew apart. However while using I can see the RAS being safer
> there.
> I have a 10" RAS and was curious if an 8" Dado is wise to use or
> should a
> 10" be purchased. My thought was the outside edge of the 8" would be
>
> rotating slower and thus possibly be the wiser of the two. Im open
> to
> ideas...... or information on what others use on their RAS's.
> --
> ...SPAM PROTECTION IN EFFECT....
> Frank Shapiro
> Real Email is: shapiro_ at yahoo.com
>
Both of my dados are 8" ( "wobbler" and stacked)
Joel Shapiro
larger one as the 6" is used for most cuts and the 8" used if the 6"
is on the table saw. My preference for the RAS is the 6", possibly
because it's the dado diameter I had with my first RAS.
Joel
"Frank Shapiro" <sp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Jim Jagielski <j...@jaguNET.com> wrote in article
Don Alexander
table saw to make "plunge" cuts on the table saw.
In my opinion, the table saw is the safest but the radial offers some
advantages. The table saw with a dado is great for making "rabbits" or slots
in cabinets and furniture. However the Radial gives you better visibility
for stopped dado (dado that stop before cutting all the way to the edge). I
actually use my radial more for dados than anything else. I use my table saw
for almost everything and leave a dado setup in the radial. The blade stack
is about 1/2" wide and if I need a quick dado, all I need to do is set the
depth, and dado the piece to the marks that I make on the piece. It is a lot
easier to change blades on my radial than on my table saw.
You do have to be careful with both saws. Mind the feed rate very carefully.
Kevin Hauser
workpiece was when I used a dado head on the RAS and obviously let it
grab too much wood. Nonetheless, although it was frightening, I
wouldn't call it any more unsafe than usual, because I had the brains
to keep all parts of me out of the path in which the blade moves. If
you're not doing this, than the RAS (or any other tool) is simply not
safe.
P.S. Good idea to re-align the saw if this happens to you. It sure
puts alot of stress on the arm!!
On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:12:10 -0400, Stevens <just...@erols.com>
wrote:
>I recently read a reader review of one of Norm Abram's
>books, posted on amazon.com. It criticized the book for
>several allegedly unsafe practices, including use of a
>dado blade on a radial arm saw. The review was pretty
>negative in general, so much so that I wondered if it
>might be written by someone with an ulterior motive.
>Nevertheless, I am wondering if use of a dado cutter
>on a radial really is unsafe.
>
Roger Blake
.>
>Unsafe? MOST likely.
>
>Inaccurate? MOST definitely.
>
>Destructive? MOST assuredly. The drill-motor bearings aren't
>designed for that lateral load and/or vibration.
>
always loaded. The plus side of dados on the RAS is that due to the
geometry there is not tendency for tear out as exists with a TS. The blades
exit at place that they have already cut. Lets see my saw, a 1972
Crapsman, has done a lot of dados as well as molding and I have not rebuilt
the motor yet. To be honest I purchased it used in 1984. I don't think it
had a lot of use prior to that. Still that is 14 years.
George Geddes
it will require more effort to control it. Note the same applies to a table
saw, but because you move the work piece vice the saw, the control is
easier. The accuracy is a function of the alighment of the saw and the
quality of the dado system used. ( the biggest factor is the care you put
into setup of the cut) I have used a RAS for 15 years with wobble datos and
stacked types. It works fine for me. I will say since I got my table saw any
dado that is longer than 15" is done on the table saw. I do not like to do
any ripping type operation on a RAS. That is why I spent the money for the
TS. Hope this helps - George
Larry Jaques wrote in message <35d808fd....@news.millennianet.com>...
>"Rooster" <Fel...@gorge.net> wrote:
>
>>unsafe... maybe
>>inaccurate... definately
>
>>Stevens <just...@erols.com> wrote in article <35CFB6...@erols.com>...
>>> on a radial really is unsafe.
>
>
>Inaccurate? MOST definitely.
>
>Destructive? MOST assuredly. The drill-motor bearings aren't
>designed for that lateral load and/or vibration.
>
>
Rev Chuck
Tom Arcati wrote:
>
> Kevin Hauser wrote:
>
> > The only time I've experience the blade climbing on top of the
> > workpiece was when I used a dado head on the RAS and obviously let it
> > grab too much wood. Nonetheless, although it was frightening, I
> > wouldn't call it any more unsafe than usual, because I had the brains
> > to keep all parts of me out of the path in which the blade moves. If
> > you're not doing this, than the RAS (or any other tool) is simply not
> > safe.
> >
> > P.S. Good idea to re-align the saw if this happens to you. It sure
> > puts alot of stress on the arm!!
> >
>
> Kevin:
>
> If the carriage (motor and blade) moves that easy when trying to climb I
> would think you might already have a problem with loose parts and
> alignment. The carriage should be snug and you should need to use a
> little pressure to push / pull it - It should not "fly" back and forth
> freely, that would be too loose and lead to climbing as well as twisting
> of carriage. Anyway just my opinion.
>
> Tom
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>
>.>
>>Unsafe? MOST likely.
>>
>>Inaccurate? MOST definitely.
>>
>>Destructive? MOST assuredly. The drill-motor bearings aren't
>>designed for that lateral load and/or vibration.
>>
>Wrong 3 out 3. Safe, accurate, and saw is loaded in same direction as its
--Searz snivel deleted--
Ain't that a hoot?
A Crapsman fan touting dadoing on a RAS! (for 2 wrong out of 2)
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>
>.>
>>Unsafe? MOST likely.
>>
>>Inaccurate? MOST definitely.
>>
>>Destructive? MOST assuredly. The drill-motor bearings aren't
>>designed for that lateral load and/or vibration.
Oops, I was thinking drill press there.
>Wrong 3 out 3. Safe, accurate, and saw is loaded in same direction as its
--Searz snivel deleted--
Ain't that a hoot?
A Crapsman fan touting dadoing on a RAS! (you're 2 wrong out of 2)
Tom Arcati
Kevin Hauser
but I wouldn't say it offered resistance either. There's very little
or no tolerance in the carriage assembly ... that is to say, one can't
move the carriage up or down at all aside from raising or lowering the
arm. It also doesn't twist side to side unless the appropriate lock
is released. But it does move forward/backward with little effort,
unless the lock is appiled to hold it in place. It's my belief that
it should operate this way.
When it climbed, I was dadoing a piece of oak and I most likely pulled
it too aggressively. As a new woodworker in a cramped shop, I used to
attempt to crosscut (or dado) a long board while applying enough
downforce to hold the wood to the table. I was too new at this and
obviously not being very bright. I either pulled the blade too fast
(as I said) or I allowed the board to leverage itself off the table.
Either way, the blade climbed the board and jammed, stalling the
motor. I've become much smarter in later years.
Roger Blake
Larry Jaques wrote in message <35d41eca...@news.millennianet.com>...
>Oops, I was thinking drill press there.
>
>>Wrong 3 out 3. Safe, accurate, and saw is loaded in same direction as its
>--Searz snivel deleted--
>
>Ain't that a hoot?
>A Crapsman fan touting dadoing on a RAS! (you're 2 wrong out of 2)
Please, Larry I am no Crapsman fan. I don't even go in there. A fellow I
knew talked me into buying the saw from him many years ago for a very low
price. I was very skeptical about getting it ,due to bad previous
experiences with Sears' RASs (which were newer than mine) as well as their
other tools. At the time I had just moved from New Orleans to Manchester,
NH and was"between" RASs. Surprisingly its a pretty good saw. It holds its
settings. Since I have had it for nearly 15 years I can say it compares
favorably to my old DeWalt which was a B&D clone and to my real old 9"
DeWalt (which I liked the best of the three). I worked in the millwork
industry so I have been around RAS for a long time and most were of the
industrial behemoth type.
All right lets bash Crapsman again. It seems to me that after my saw they
went down hill in a hand basket. Probably the ones they made before mine
were better than mine. In the old days some but not most of their tools
were OK. Miller Falls made their hand tools and they were OK. I bought my
8" dado sets (regular carbon steel) around 1975. Sad to say I am still
using them. They work OK but I lust for a carbide set with a 3/32 chipper
for todays plywood's. I am cheap.
>Shall we write to you in the hospital, Rog?
Could happen but I have been cutting dados with a radial arm saw for thirty
years so I guess I must be pretty lucky. ( I am serious in saying this, but
I respect what power tools can do.).
I cut my cross cut dados as well as my tenons on the RAS. Its safe,
relative to many other common machine tool practices, if you know what you
are doing. You get to know how much you can do in one pass after a while.
DMc89916
>Destructive? MOST assuredly
Larry:
You better twell lthat tomy RAS. I've been using a Wobble Dado for 35 years
and it has always folown through the wood just like it did when it was new!
I've only adjusted it three times in those years - each tlime I moved. It is
just as tight and accurate as it was 35 years ago!
Larry Jaques
>>Dado blades on a radial arm saw: Safe?
>>Destructive? MOST assuredly
>Larry:
>You better twell lthat tomy RAS. I've been using a Wobble Dado for 35 years
You really shouldn't drink so much before crossposting this crap both
here and to my private email, Dan. <tsk tsk tsk>
You and two other daredevils have been lucky so far. It sure wouldn't
cut the mustard with OSHA or a safety instructor.
Miller, David James
One way to prevent climb is to start with the blade pulled out, and push
back through the cut. This seems to make a cleaner cut.
Dave
Rev Chuck wrote:
>
> Why not lock the motor sideways and use a router bit?
>
> Tom Arcati wrote:
> >
> > Kevin Hauser wrote:
> >
> > > The only time I've experience the blade climbing on top of the
> > > workpiece was when I used a dado head on the RAS and obviously let it
> > > grab too much wood. Nonetheless, although it was frightening, I
> > > wouldn't call it any more unsafe than usual, because I had the brains
> > > to keep all parts of me out of the path in which the blade moves. If
> > > you're not doing this, than the RAS (or any other tool) is simply not
> > > safe.
> > >
> > > P.S. Good idea to re-align the saw if this happens to you. It sure
> > > puts alot of stress on the arm!!
> > >
> >
> > Kevin:
> >
> > If the carriage (motor and blade) moves that easy when trying to climb I
> > would think you might already have a problem with loose parts and
> > alignment. The carriage should be snug and you should need to use a
> > little pressure to push / pull it - It should not "fly" back and forth
> > freely, that would be too loose and lead to climbing as well as twisting
> > of carriage. Anyway just my opinion.
> >
Francis X. Kranick, Jr.
Still, I've never had a problem with my DeWalt RAS (bought in 1960 when
I was born and I inherited it from my dad). The wobble dado and stacked
dado both work and work well. I've never seen the dado head want to
walk up on the stock. I'm not saying that it couldn't but it's never
happened to me.
The other thing I feel compelled to address is the ripping comments.
I have yet to have kickback on any wood being ripped. I recently ripped
two 12'x8"x3/4" red oak boards for my brother. The thing worked as it
always has - flawlessly. I think the bad rap comes from overfeeding and
not having the rip setup correctly. Now, I consider still myself a
novice woodworker at 37 but I've never had a problem with that saw and
I'm confident I will not have any surprises waiting for me when I use it
next time.
My dad never offered warnings of using the saw aside form basic safety
issues and I have none other than to set it up correctly and use it per
the instructions. Good luck.
--
Frank
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W. Ivey
>I've watched this thread for a while and given it some thought.
>
>Still, I've never had a problem with my DeWalt RAS (bought in 1960 when
>
>I was born and I inherited it from my dad). The wobble dado and stacked
>dado both work and work well. I've never seen the dado head want to
>walk up on the stock. I'm not saying that it couldn't but it's never
>happened to me.
>
> The other thing I feel compelled to address is the ripping comments.
>I have yet to have kickback on any wood being ripped. I recently ripped
>two 12'x8"x3/4" red oak boards for my brother. The thing worked as it
>always has - flawlessly. I think the bad rap comes from overfeeding and
>not having the rip setup correctly.
I had a Craftsman RAS (not sure what year, bought it used in late 80's) and
never had problems dadoing or ripping. (Including ripping ~12"X8' strips
from sheets of 3/4" plywood, single-handedly - quite a workout, but no
problem
for the saw.)
Probably the biggest stress test it ever endured was dadoing a 1/4" wide by
1 1/2" deep slot into the edge of an 8' 2X4 - over a hundred of them. (Yes,
we
were into "deep dado.") Actually, we used the regular blade set in rip
position just off the centerline of the 2X4 and passed the lumber through
twice, flipping end for end between passes. (Left fragments of web down the
center, but running a steel bar down the channel cleared that.)
And, before anyone asks, no, no one got their hands anywhere near the blade.
I built a jig that centered and guided the 2X4's on plastic rollers (the
kind used
as casters on refrigerators). One person pushed from the infeed side while
another pulled on the outfeed side.
The saw performed flawlessly (and generated over 30 gallons of sawdust
:-) -Wm
Bill Schaffel
problems in 10 years. Flip the motor and I have a dedicated 22000 rpm 1/4"
router as an added bonus. Both table and RAS have pluses and minuses. I
personally am more afraid of the table saw blade I can't see as opposed to
the RAS.
Francis X. Kranick, Jr. wrote:
> I've watched this thread for a while and given it some thought.
>
> Still, I've never had a problem with my DeWalt RAS (bought in 1960 when
>
> I was born and I inherited it from my dad). The wobble dado and stacked
>
> dado both work and work well. I've never seen the dado head want to
> walk up on the stock. I'm not saying that it couldn't but it's never
> happened to me.
>
> The other thing I feel compelled to address is the ripping comments.
>
> I have yet to have kickback on any wood being ripped. I recently ripped
>
> two 12'x8"x3/4" red oak boards for my brother. The thing worked as it
>
> always has - flawlessly. I think the bad rap comes from overfeeding and
>
Tom Arcati
Thank you - At least someone who uses these saws speaks up. I also
have a 60's Dewalt inherited from my dad and am very happy with all
cutting on it. I did get a launched thin strip way back when not using
the anti-kickback correctly, but no problems for years. I do use a rip
blade instead of a combo for ripping - gets a faster cut with no burning
(my combo blades are very well used and most likely are in need of
another sharpening). I do use a table saw for rips and cross cuts on
full sheets of ply, only because its easier to handle the wood - not for
the cut.
Tom
Roger Blake
Larry Jaques wrote in message <35da9b7c...@news.millennianet.com>...
>dmc8...@aol.com (DMc89916) wrote:
>
>>>Dado blades on a radial arm saw: Safe?
>>>Destructive? MOST assuredly
>
>>Larry:
>
>>You better twell lthat tomy RAS. I've been using a Wobble Dado for 35
years
>
>You really shouldn't drink so much before crossposting this crap both
>here and to my private email, Dan. <tsk tsk tsk>
>
>You and two other daredevils have been lucky so far. It sure wouldn't
>cut the mustard with OSHA or a safety instructor.
For your info Larry, cutting dados with a RAS is a standard procedure. Its
not unsafe. Others posted the same thing.
A close friend of mine is a retired shop teacher. I asked if he taught
this, he did. I checked "Cabinetmaking and Millwork" by John Feirer which
is an old standard used in Trade Schools, mine was printed 1967. He gets
into using dado blades for cutting horizontally and at 45 degrees both cross
cutting and grooving. He also covers ripping, raising panels, coving and
shaping. All on a radial arm saw. Add him to your list of daredevils.
Here is what he says in the safety section. " When properly used the radial
arm saw is one of the safest power tools ever made. For all crosscutting
operations the stock is held against the table and guide fence. This
eliminates kick back, a major cause of saw accidents."
OSHA or a safety inspector would have nothing to say about dados on a RAS
providing guards are used. Its done routinely.
As for "posting crap", if you don't know then don't post.
Larry Jaques
>>>You better twell lthat tomy RAS. I've been using a Wobble Dado for 35
>years
>>
>>You really shouldn't drink so much before crossposting this crap both
>>here and to my private email, Dan. <tsk tsk tsk>
>As for "posting crap", if you don't know then don't post.
I said "crossposting" and the crap was your "twell lthat tomy".
Why do you suppose I mentioned drinking? ;)
>>You and two other daredevils have been lucky so far. It sure wouldn't
>>cut the mustard with OSHA or a safety instructor.
>
>For your info Larry, cutting dados with a RAS is a standard procedure. Its
>not unsafe. Others posted the same thing.
If they're so safe, why did ALL the manufacturers stop making them? I
thought that OSHA had outlawed them but I believe the insurance companies
did the dirty deed themselves. If they're safe, why did it even happen?
Just because _one_ author and 3 hobbyists deem them safe...
IAC, you won't catch me dadoing (or anything else) on a RAS. I value all
of my appendages too much.
Over, Roger.
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Roger Blake
Larry Jaques wrote in message <35df5b15...@news.millennianet.com>...
>thought that OSHA had outlawed them but I believe the insurance companies
>did the dirty deed themselves. If they're safe, why did it even happen?
>Just because _one_ author and 3 hobbyists deem them safe...
Just pick up a tool catalog. Delta makes them and Crapsman make them or so
they would you to believe. Ryobi makes a small one. I am sure there are
others but those are few.
>
>IAC, you won't catch me dadoing (or anything else) on a RAS. I value all
>of my appendages too much.
.
Thats what gets me about this post. You don't use one yet you know they are
unsafe. I doubt that you ever have done a dado with one.
Typing at you with all ten.
Stevens
> Larry Jaques wrote in message <35df5b15...@news.millennianet.com>...
> >IAC, you won't catch me dadoing (or anything else) on a RAS.
> Thats what gets me about this post. You don't use one yet you know they are
> unsafe. I doubt that you ever have done a dado with one.
As the person who started this thread, I would like some
closure on this point. Is Larry saying he doesn't use a
radial arm saw _at all_? If so, I agree with Roger: he has
no reasonable basis for an opinion. We all know Norm uses
one and that all of the major power tool manufacturers sell
them.
So I ask: Is there any serious debate over whether or not
the RAS is, as a tool, inherently unsafe?
Al Taylor
>As the person who started this thread, I would like some
>closure on this point. Is Larry saying he doesn't use a
>radial arm saw _at all_? If so, I agree with Roger: he has
>no reasonable basis for an opinion. We all know Norm uses
>one and that all of the major power tool manufacturers sell
>them.
>So I ask: Is there any serious debate over whether or not
>the RAS is, as a tool, inherently unsafe?
>--
>Stevens R. Miller - Director, Technology & Online Forensics
>DSFX International, Falls Church, VA - (703) 207-0600
There is no danger in using a dado blade in my opinion with the RAS, I
use it all the time.
In fact, if it were not for the ablility to use a dado stack in the
RAS, I would have gotten rid of mine for a sliding miter saw a long
time ago. (would save me some room)
I use the regular Freud safety combination set, and it has less of a
tendency to climb than a single blade. It cuts quite smoothly through
large amounts of wood with ease.
I don't know what all the fuss is about it??!!
Al
Rtswood
this room they seem to attack people on the tools they buy or on their
questions . I do not know why they waste theirs an others time.it must inflate
what ever ego they have . AS for the datto we use the table saw because it is
more accurate as it has a scoring blade an a sliding table with a lot more
power with plywood an a scoring blade there is no chipping on one side . also
with commercial type datto blades they sell a flat bottom for using with the
grain or a scoring type used fof plywood an cross grain this type has no
almost no chipping good luck P S the tools the nasty people
say are the best are far from the "industry standard" but most of the people
with the "lesser "tools probably do a far better job an have more fun
Larry Jaques
>you will need to learn that there are a lot of negative [ nasty ] people in
>this room they seem to attack people on the tools they buy or on their
>questions . I do not know why they waste theirs an others time.it must inflate
>what ever ego they have .
And just what would you call that portion of your post, Woodie?
(Hey, ewe, get offa my cloud!) Get _over_ it and let's get
on with the fun here, eh? Great!
(It's either that or I'll start spellchecking your posts...)
(Does anyone else detect a woodsnipe here?) <chortle>
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do not call people names .If you do not have anything to add to the subject
please refrain from wasting space .
Larry Jaques
>the name is not woodie . this is not a school yard please act like an adult .
That's no fun, Woodie, oops, ReturnToSenderWood.
>do not call people names .If you do not have anything to add to the subject
>please refrain from wasting space .
I'm sorry that you're one of those humor-impaired folks. Condolences.
Kwitcherbitchen about "nasty" people and I'll stop popping up with
these little reminder posts, too. We could just twit-filter each other...
Rtswood
nasty comments somewhere else .people come here here for enjoyment not to be
ridiclued.If you are not interested in woodworking please go somewhere else .
Good luck
Larry Jaques
>reminder post? how pathetic This room is about woodworking Please take your
I reminded you to avoid that "special" word.
>nasty comments somewhere else .people come here here for enjoyment not to be
Alors! I warned you about that word, didn't I, Woodie? <tsk, tsk, tsk>
Now ya done it... <prepare to be boarded>
>ridiclued.
That's "ridiculed", son.
>If you are not interested in woodworking please go somewhere else .
(Why is there a space before your period there?) I am a woodworker
and will surely remain here long after you're gone.
>Good luck
Gee, thanks. Et tu.
Rtswood
about me I find it Quite rude and pathetic . Please go somewhere else You have
offered no help to anyone about dato blades. please again go somewere else stop
bothering us. PS the name -once again - is not woodie . show some respect for
other people. if not yourself
Loretta Denard
bill d.
Bob Bugaj
at 02:35 AM, rts...@aol.com (Rtswood) said:
>there is no chipping on one side . also with commercial type dado
>blades they sell a flat bottom for using with the grain or a scoring
>type used fof plywood an cross grain this type has no almost no
>chipping
First time I've heard about different dado blades for with- vs.
against-the-grain cutting. Does this mean I should have two different
blades? Since the B&D that I own cuts deeper at the sides than in the
middle of the dado, do I own a scoring-type blade that should work
better for plywood/cross grain dados, and I need to go get one that cuts
flat bottoms?
bob
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Rtswood
milling with the grain in solid wood or using a power feeder in solid wood
the other would be helpful . sometimes people are sold the flat bottom and have
a lot of problems using it on plywood . good luck
Al Taylor
Larry Jaques
Your buddy was writhing...
>rts...@aol.com (Rtswood) wrote:
>
>>Since you have nothing to say about wood working - stop your nasty comments
Can you say "Pay attention"? I thought you could. I'm posting help to
others for woodworking problems several times a week.
>>about me I find it Quite rude and pathetic . Please go somewhere else You have
I'm rude, you're pathetic, but you can leave. I'm having fun here.
>>offered no help to anyone about dato blades. please again go somewere else stop
That's "dado", not "dato", dudeo.
>>bothering us. PS the name -once again - is not woodie . show some respect for
>>other people. if not yourself
People EARN respect. (Got the clue yet?)
>Sheeesh Larry, gettin' kinda touchy around here, see ya later.
At least we got the 'hostile" moniker back, eh? <cha ching!> <vbg>
Aren't you going to join in, Al? <heh, heh, heh>
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Rtswood
woodworking please stop wasting space
Duke of URLs
>I will say again stop you nasty comments leave this room to woodworkers for
>woodworking please stop wasting space
Hey what's up with that new Rigid saw I caught a glimpse of at Home
Depot?
Keith (I'm Back) Bohn
Al Taylor
>At least we got the 'hostile" moniker back, eh? <cha ching!> <vbg>
>Aren't you going to join in, Al? <heh, heh, heh>
I don't even know who that guy is Larry. I didn't even catch the post
he was referring to, whad' you say to get all that started??!!
Kinda feisty for a first timer ain't he?
Al
Mark Olsten
Larry Jaques
>
>>At least we got the 'hostile" moniker back, eh? <cha ching!> <vbg>
>>Aren't you going to join in, Al? <heh, heh, heh>
>
>I don't even know who that guy is Larry. I didn't even catch the post
>he was referring to, whad' you say to get all that started??!!
I think my nickname in a post to him (Woodie vs Rtswood) set him off.
He referred to me in another post to someone else as "a nasty person"
(polishing my fingernails on my chest) and the joust was on! We've
since disagreed about several things including his suggestion that I
leave the newsgroup. 'Magine that! <bseg>
>Kinda feisty for a first timer ain't he?
Ayup, and much too sensitive for the likes of THIS group. ;)
Methinks Mark's right, too, so we'll have to come up with some
enticing ProNewsWrestling names, wot?
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one can't use a tool safely or properly is no reason to cut others who can.
I use a RAS daily to do all types of cuts and have never had a problem that
wasn't caused by my not using the tool properly. I have cut my self on
pocket knives more then on power tools, so does that mean that pocket knives
are more dangerous then power tools? Come on and give it a rest most
problems are caused by the user not working safely then by tools. And a
plug here for negative rake blades on the RAS it sure makes them safer, just
like a guard on a TS makes it safer.
tpe...@efws.com
lja...@diversify.com wrote:
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> Methinks Mark's right, too, so we'll have to come up with some
> enticing ProNewsWrestling names, wot?
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How bout Jaques the Ripper and Woodie the Weenie for starters?
roflmao
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> This newsgroup reminds me of TV wrestling.
Naw, it ain't pre-rehearsed and we don't know who's gonna win. <g>
Rtswood
information for this news group what else is there for you to do. P S I
recieved numerous pcs. of mail stating some of these same names show up in
other news groups playing the same games,only to harass everyone. They have no
interest at all in the news group. Now I understand what is going on. How sad.