transport of 16 foot 4x4's with stationwagon?

[Harry Brown]

I'm hoping to be able to transport one or two 16 foot long 4x4's with my
Ford Taurus stationwagon (with rack on top), but I'm not sure it can be
done. Having them delivered is just too high of a cost for a couple of
posts. So, is it possible
to transport two at a time with my stationwagon and, if so, how would this
be done?

Thanks,
Harry

[Bill]

Some of the truck rental places rent trucks by the hour. This can work
out to a really cheap price for truck rental if you don't have many
miles to go.

In case you are shopping there, Home Depot provides an hour's free truck
rental on purchases over $100 with their credit card. Not as nice a
truck as one you could rent, but it would atill avoid screwing up your
vehicle (which I think is a possibility).

Bill

[Gerald Ross]

One guy I saw laid the boards on the parking lot, drove straddle of
them, lifted the front end and tied them to the front bumper and then
did the same with the rear end, tying them to the rear bumper.

--
Gerald Ross

I'm so poor I can't even pay attention.

[Morgans]

"Harry Brown" wrote in message news:jev4r3$4up$1...@dont-email.me...

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Put them side by side on the rack, and tie them together out on the ends,
and run down to the bumper on each side of the car. Front and back will
look like the ropes are writing an upside-down letter "V"

-- Jim in NC

[-MIKE-]

I've strapped a lot more than that to the rack of my minivan. I wouldn't
go 70mph down the interstate, but it works fine for me at 45 the 3-4
miles from store to home.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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[Josepi]

Strapped real tight in the middle, together, at a couple of places to a few
frame parts to stop flight in the event of collision.
Then strap the front end and rear end to your bumpers to stop flailing of
the ends from bumps.
Keep lots toward the front where you can see the end swing on turns.

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"Harry Brown" wrote in message news:jev4r3$4up$1...@dont-email.me...

[tiredofspam]

Like Josepi says keep the overhang in front.

Very doable. make sure you tie it in the rear to underneath. You want to
take the stress of the weight off the front and take some to the back.
Leave 2 to 4 feet hanging off the back with red flag on both ends.

[tiredofspam]

Like Josepi says keep the overhang in front.

Very doable. make sure you tie it in the rear to underneath. You want to
take the stress of the weight off the front and take some to the back.
Leave 2 to 4 feet hanging off the back with red flag on both ends.

On 1/15/2012 2:38 PM, Josepi wrote:

[Edward A. Falk]

In article <jev4r3$4up$1...@dont-email.me>,

Harry Brown <harry...@harrybrown.net> wrote:
>I'm hoping to be able to transport one or two 16 foot long 4x4's with my
>Ford Taurus stationwagon (with rack on top), but I'm not sure it can be
>done.

That car won't even break a sweat. Toss 'em up there, tie 'em up good,
and don't drive too fast. Don't hit the brakes hard if you can avoid it.
But tie the lumber with the knowledge that you might have to.

You'll probably need a red flag at the end of the pieces, but the yard
will provide it.

Here's a photo of 600 lbs of EMT on a Mazda Miata:
http://www.efalk.org/OasisDome/photos/bigs/dsc_0508.jpg

And 550 lbs of angle-iron, some of it 12' long:
http://www.efalk.org/Vardo/bigs/vardo020.jpg

A few little pieces of wood don't sound so bad now, do they?

--
-Ed Falk, fa...@despams.r.us.com
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

[CW]

"Harry Brown" wrote in message news:jev4r3$4up$1...@dont-email.me...

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Put them on the rack, tie them down, drive on. I really don't know what you
are asking.

[Larry Jaques]

They'd probably rip off the rack on the first downward bump or
collapse the rack and dent the roof on the first upward bump.
Good dry pine would probably transport safely if tied down right.
Wet pine or pressure treated SPF would certainly cause problems.

I get loads of lumber delivered to client sites for $10-20 all the
time. The shorter the trip, the less they charge. One lumber yard here
will do free deliveries of longer materials if you're a regular
customer. Is harry shopping Lowes, who wants $79 to deliver anything?

--
I merely took the energy it takes to pout and wrote some blues.
--Duke Ellington

[tom]

> Harry Brown <harry...@harrybrown.net> wrote:
>>I'm hoping to be able to transport one or two 16 foot long 4x4's with my
>>Ford Taurus stationwagon (with rack on top), but I'm not sure it can be
>>done.

Here's some ideas: http://preview.tinyurl.com/7sx4jwa

[Leon]

You should expect some added dents to either your roof or luggage rack.

[-MIKE-]

On 1/15/12 1:29 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 1/15/12 12:10 PM, Harry Brown wrote:
>> I'm hoping to be able to transport one or two 16 foot long 4x4's with my
>> Ford Taurus stationwagon (with rack on top), but I'm not sure it can be
>> done. Having them delivered is just too high of a cost for a couple of
>> posts. So, is it possible
>> to transport two at a time with my stationwagon and, if so, how would
>> this be done?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Harry
>>
>
> I've strapped a lot more than that to the rack of my minivan. I wouldn't
> go 70mph down the interstate, but it works fine for me at 45 the 3-4
> miles from store to home.
>

By the way, another way to do it would be to go inside the car, from the
front passenger door window, out the back hatch. Two 4x4's will fit
through that front door window and they can rest on the seat backs.
Removing headrests may make it easier. You won't have much shooting out
the front window and only 4' or less out the back.

[Roy]

On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:10:43 -0500, "Harry Brown" <harry...@harrybrown.net>
wrote:

No sweat. Back in the 70's and 80's I used U bolts to bolt 2 44" 2x4's to the
rack of my Datsun station wagon. These were used to haul two 18 foot aluminum
canoes, or a canoe and kayak, for a few hundred miles each way many weekends.

Tie the fronts to the front bumper frame and the rears to the rear bumper frame,
spring them if possible. Use the best rope on the front. Hauling couple of 16'
4x4's is nothing compared to those canoes - much less weight and your vehicle is
almost twice the size of my old Datsun. Just be sure you know how to tie a good
knot.

Regards, Roy.

[Sonny]

You don't have any friends with a pickup truck? Simply ask for some
assistance, that way! Buy some beer..... or burgers, steaks(?)....
and, further, have them over for a get-together installing the things,
where you are wanting them. Make it a social gathering, not a job.
Surely your friends understand your situation, as such, and may likely
be looking for an opportunity for a social gathering.

Sonny

[Larry W]

In article <jev4r3$4up$1...@dont-email.me>,
Harry Brown <harry...@harrybrown.net> wrote:

Your Taurus wagon is bigger than my Jeep Cherokee and I've carried my
17 foot canoe on the rack plenty of times. Just get some decent tie-downs
(I like the cheap ratchet straps from HF) or rope and take them home.
Sometimes if I'm transporting just a few pieces of lumber on the rack,
I'll temporarily nail or screw on a piece of 2X4 crossways to provide
a positve stop agains the long boards sliding forward or backward.


--
Often wrong, never in doubt.

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org

[Steve Barker]

and my favorite.... how to tell if your ass is too small....

http://www.greaterthings.com/Humor/ass.htm


--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

[EXT]

"Harry Brown" <harry...@harrybrown.net> wrote in message
news:jev4r3$4up$1...@dont-email.me...

Been there and done that. Carried many things on the roof of my car, wagon
and/or van.

The key to carrying anything on the roof is a good set of roof carriers if
the car is not equipped with them. then find an anchor point under the front
and back bumpers. Tie the wood front and back down tightly to these anchor
points to prevent rocking up and down. Use the same rope to continue tying
the wood down to the roof rack to prevent side to side motion. It is
important to use continuous rope or tie the ropes together or you risk one
or more of the end ropes slipping off or loosening off, keep the ropes
tight. Use a good grade of 1/4" nylon rope, it has some stretch so that you
can snug it up with tension on it.

I once carried 320 pounds of 20 foot long re-enforcing steel bars on the
roof of a car. Had to tie each end down very tightly to prevent them from
bouncing up and down. No highway speeds but did move them about 10 miles.
Also learned how to carry 5 foot square sheets of baltic birch plywood on
the roof of my mini-van. Since if was longer than the roof racks and wider
than the vehicle, there was little opportunity to find tie own points. Found
out that I could fit a point of a corner of the plywood under the front roof
rack cross member and then tie it down to the back cross member with tension
on it. It was like driving with wings as the diagonal width was over 6 feet.
Since the front edge was down under the cross member there was no uplift
from the air movement. Worked great.

[Stuart]

In article <52522b3b...@argonet.co.uk>,
Stuart <Spa...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> 4x4 shouln't fexx

Ooops! Flex

--
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

[SteveA]

"Harry Brown" <harry...@harrybrown.net> wrote in message
news:jev4r3$4up$1...@dont-email.me...

Harry, I think some have given good ideas buy might have missed a important
point. The recks on the Taurus were not designed to take a point load in the
center of its length. I would spread this load by having a 2x4 cut in half
and run it perpendicular to the length of the car. Allowing the 4x4 to sit
on the 2x, this will push the load points to the ride rails which should
handle this load without problem. I had a Volvo wagon that by adding these
boards was ablt to handle in excess of 20-2x6x12's at a time. Tie the load
down as others have suggested, keeping the same overhang on the front and
back thus splitting the load. Should have no problem moving 4 at a time.
SteveA

[Josepi]

Years back I bought about 200 pounds of trim 16 feet long. My ideas of
measurements was off (thinking of 12' that I can get through the car) so
there I am looking at my Camry wondering HTF I am going to get this trim
home.

I duct taped it to the front bumper and the back bumper so that it was bent
over the roof like a bow. Duct tape and I think some straps held it in the
middle tight to the roof.

It was a hot day and the damn duct tape sticky was murder to get off but
varsol solvent did the trick.

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[Bill]

What SteveA said--and make sure your insurance is paid up! ; )

[Harry Brown]

Just an update guys. First off, I greatly appreciate all of the responses I
received! I can tell many here have had similar issues and unique
solutions.

Someone had asked about Lowe's and, yes, that or HD was where I was
originally going to purchase the 4 posts. You were correct about their $75
delivery charge and the truck they rent was too short for the posts, so I
decided against either option.

I also decided against the stationwagon idea. A few years ago, I did
purchase a 40' aluminum ladder from Lowe's and tied it to the wagon top.
Made it the 23 mile distance home ok, but then again that was aluminum and
this is pressure treated soil contact 4x4's so a different animal I suspect.

My local lumber yard, who I hardly ever use, to the rescue! Posts are bit
higher in price than Lowe's or HD, but only a $3 delivery charge per post.
So $12 versus $75 at either of the two chains. I'm going with the local
lumber yard.

Thanks again for all the commentary and tips!

Harry

"Harry Brown" <harry...@harrybrown.net> wrote in message
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[m II]

Would that be a pickup truck with a club cab / 4' bed or a mini with
a 7.5' bed?

Cars have a better chance with 16' lumber, usually.

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[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

OK, I have a pickup with a 6' bed. How do I carry 16' lumber on it?

[Nova]

Build a rack for the truck.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA

[Just Wondering]

On 1/16/2012 12:15 PM, k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:

> OK, I have a pickup with a 6' bed. How do I carry 16' lumber on it?

The reason you ask that question makes me wonder why people even buy
short-bed pickups instead of the real thing. If you're gonna drive a
pickup, why not get a long-bed one in the first place?

[dpb]

On 1/16/2012 1:15 PM, k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
...

> OK, I have a pickup with a 6' bed. How do I carry 16' lumber on it?

Same way as the guy w/ the station wagon--hook up the trailer.

--

[chaniarts]

so it'll fit in the garage?

[Steve Turner]

Why do you piddle around buying a full-size pick-up when you very well
might run into the need for a flat-bed dually?

--
Free bad advice available here.
To reply, eat the taco.
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[Scott Lurndal]

"k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> writes:
>On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:38:17 -0800 (PST), Sonny <cedar...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>You don't have any friends with a pickup truck?
>

>OK, I have a pickup with a 6' bed. How do I carry 16' lumber on it?

With my ranger 6' bed truck, I have 12" clearance from axle to ground and the
truck is 15' long. I'd try the suggestion earlier to hang it from the
front and back bumpers _under_ the truck. The posited 4x4 would still leave
8" ground clearance, which is more than many modern automobiles, an 18' maybe
a 20' would even work this way. I probably wouldn't take this on the freeway
or drive over 35 or 40 with it.

I do carry 10 - 12' boards in the 6' bed regularly - most recently some figured 12/4
8" wide eastern black walnut (sale: USD 5/bf at jackel enterprises - recommended).

scott

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

You need a "ladder rack" to carry 16 footers - or a loop of rope on
each bumper.

[Steve Barker]

On 1/16/2012 1:15 PM, k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:

stick them in the bed, then buy enough bags of sacrete to hold the front
of them down. You'll use the sacrete some other time if not while
putting these 4x4's in the ground. Don't forget the red rag on the end
of the timbers.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

Remember - a 6 foot box plus a tailgate is pretty close to 8 feet -
so it doesn't take a LOT of weight to keep the front down..

I still like a ladder rack on a P'up for the job, though.

[Mike Marlow]

Because they're just too damned long when you also have an extended cab.
Makes cutting turns a bitch when plowing snow.

I wouldn't have much of a problem figuring out how to get 16' lumber home
with my 6 1/2 foot box - but then again, I could not believe this whole
thread even started, let alone developed the legs that it did...

--

-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net

[Mike Marlow]

Short garage, if that's a problem! Time to build a new garage.

--

-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net

[Mike Marlow]

Steve Turner wrote:
> On 01/16/2012 01:28 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>> On 1/16/2012 12:15 PM, k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>>
>>> OK, I have a pickup with a 6' bed. How do I carry 16' lumber on it?
>>
>> The reason you ask that question makes me wonder why people even buy
>> short-bed pickups instead of the real thing. If you're gonna drive a
>> pickup, why not get a long-bed one in the first place?
>
> Why do you piddle around buying a full-size pick-up when you very well
> might run into the need for a flat-bed dually?

Yeah! Buy that man a beer!

--

-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net

[Larry Jaques]

Nah, just tie it up all vertical-like and duck for bridges.

--
I merely took the energy it takes to pout and wrote some blues.
--Duke Ellington

[Mike Marlow]

What kills me about this whole thread is that I've carried a load of 12 foot
2x6's (PT) in my Hyundai Sonata, by just putting the seats down and letting
the small amount stick out of the trunk after running them up to the dash.
If I had used my truck to carry them, I would either have racked them over
the roof of the truck or let them hang off the back and flag them. It's not
really all that complicated.

--

-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net

[Larry Jaques]

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:05:21 -0600, Steve Barker
<ichase...@notgmail.com> wrote:

With only six feet in and a whopping ten feet hanging out, cops would
pull him over in a heartbeat around here, probably for the broken wood
in the street a block back, if nothing else.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

Put a skate board on the end instead of a flag and call it a trailer.

[m II]

Macho only. Built rust tough.

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[Steve Turner]

I'm partial to Shiner products. Thanks. :-)

--
"Our beer goes through thousands of quality Czechs every day."
(From a Shiner Bock billboard I saw in Austin some years ago)

[willshak]

Just Wondering wrote the following:

Yeah, that extra 2 feet in an 8' bed will handle those 16 footers.

--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeros after @

[willshak]

cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote the following:

What is a bumper? Is it hidden under all the plastic?

[willshak]

Mike Marlow wrote the following:

I've carried 14' strips of molding in my 97 Nissan PU by laying the back
ends on the closed tailgate and secured to the bed cleats. The front
ends slipped through the sliding rear window and laid on the dashboard.
They were secured to the passenger side head rests so they wouldn't
slide to and fro. If I carried long stuff on a regular basis, I would
buy or build a rack.

[Larry Jaques]

I prefer a unicycle, with the proper caster set.

[Puckdropper at dot]

willshak <will...@00hvc.rr.com> wrote in
news:sOqdnV6c1M8p6YjS...@supernews.com:

>
> What is a bumper? Is it hidden under all the plastic?
>

It used to be the part on the vehicle designed to allow it to bump into
things, but now it's the first part to crumple in an impact.

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

[Josepi]

YOUR cops have a heartbeat?

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[Josepi]

I can get 10' lumber in a Camry and close the trunk.

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[Mike Marlow]

Josepi wrote:
> I can get 10' lumber in a Camry and close the trunk.
>

Amen! That's the whole point! Just seems weird that a thread could grow
out of such an silly question. The OP should have taken that dangerous,
bold step of trying something before posting to an internet forum. Geezus -
where has the sense of figuring out and doing, gone?

--

-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net

[Bill]

On 1/17/2012 11:01 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> willshak<will...@00hvc.rr.com> wrote in
> news:sOqdnV6c1M8p6YjS...@supernews.com:
>
>>
>> What is a bumper? Is it hidden under all the plastic?
>>
>
> It used to be the part on the vehicle designed to allow it to bump into
> things, but now it's the first part to crumple in an impact.
>
> Puckdropper

It occurred to me that there are sensors in the bumpers of modern
airbag-equipped cards. Perhaps take that into consideration before you
treat a bumper in a way that they didn't anticipate at the factory.

[-MIKE-]

On 1/17/12 10:35 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Josepi wrote:
>> I can get 10' lumber in a Camry and close the trunk.
>>
>
> Amen! That's the whole point! Just seems weird that a thread could grow
> out of such an silly question.

Why do people complain about threads running on and on, and in the
process, adding more posts to same thread?


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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mi...@mikedrumsDOT.com
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 11:35:14 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<mmarlo...@windstream.net> wrote:

>Josepi wrote:
>> I can get 10' lumber in a Camry and close the trunk.
>>
>
>Amen! That's the whole point! Just seems weird that a thread could grow
>out of such an silly question. The OP should have taken that dangerous,
>bold step of trying something before posting to an internet forum. Geezus -
>where has the sense of figuring out and doing, gone?

I've got a scratch on the top of the dashpad on my PT cruiser from
hauling lumber - and a nasty dent in the back fender from jack-knifing
the trailer trying to maneuver it with a load of long lumber - both
the result of not enough thought being put into the process.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 11:42:47 -0500, Bill <Bill_...@comast.net>
wrote:

As they are INERTIA sensors, it would be pretty difficult - but I
guess not impossible, todischarge the airbags by hanging lumber under
the car. The "tie down hooks" work pretty well too. Doesn't work
with highly flexible lumber, like trim peices,

[Bill]

I'm largely clueless about it. It just something to think about while
saving the $75. My dealership charges $80 just to talk to you. I
rented a big moving truck from Penske and moved some heavy furniture
with it for about $17.

[Steve Barker]

the sensors are not in the bumper. sometimes no where even near it.

[Puckdropper at dot]

cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote in news:63cbh71mnc5fg5i3jlht5q3qotdc1iuqtn@
4ax.com:

> As they are INERTIA sensors, it would be pretty difficult - but I
> guess not impossible, todischarge the airbags by hanging lumber under
> the car. The "tie down hooks" work pretty well too. Doesn't work
> with highly flexible lumber, like trim peices,

I've carried flexible things a few times... could you imagine the racket
trying to carry PVC pipe or PVC trim under the car? Snap, whap, whack
whack, dong (hit something metal).... Even if tied down/up well.

[m II]

Past the centre of balance and Bob's your uncle.
...or was it Bill?

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[m II]

Some have never done it before and need to think about before looking
stupid in the parking lot with long lumber.

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[Markem]

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:15:39 -0500, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"

<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

>On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:38:17 -0800 (PST), Sonny <cedar...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>You don't have any friends with a pickup truck? Simply ask for some
>>assistance, that way! Buy some beer..... or burgers, steaks(?)....
>>and, further, have them over for a get-together installing the things,
>>where you are wanting them. Make it a social gathering, not a job.
>>Surely your friends understand your situation, as such, and may likely
>>be looking for an opportunity for a social gathering.
>
>OK, I have a pickup with a 6' bed. How do I carry 16' lumber on it?

Get yourself one of those ladder racks that sit on one side.

[m II]

How much did the rental company get for selling it off the back of the
truck?

LOL

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[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 14:22:04 -0500, Nova <nov...@verizon.net> wrote:

>Build a rack for the truck.

Then where do I put the rack? ...on a rack rack?

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:28:00 -0700, Just Wondering <fmh...@comcast.net> wrote:

>On 1/16/2012 12:15 PM, k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>

>> OK, I have a pickup with a 6' bed. How do I carry 16' lumber on it?
>

>The reason you ask that question makes me wonder why people even buy
>short-bed pickups instead of the real thing. If you're gonna drive a
>pickup, why not get a long-bed one in the first place?

I wanted lockable space behind the seat. I also didn't want a monster truck
(it's a Ranger).

I wonder why people put caps or covers on pickups. If you want to cover the
thing, get an SUV.

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 13:55:15 -0700, chaniarts <chan...@nospam.yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On 1/16/2012 12:28 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>> On 1/16/2012 12:15 PM, k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>>
>>> OK, I have a pickup with a 6' bed. How do I carry 16' lumber on it?
>>
>> The reason you ask that question makes me wonder why people even buy
>> short-bed pickups instead of the real thing. If you're gonna drive a
>> pickup, why not get a long-bed one in the first place?
>

>so it'll fit in the garage?

Blasphemy!

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

My bumper has "pulling" hooks, so I'd imagine they'd be a safe bet to anchor a
sling. OTOH, I'd hate to stick a 4x4 in the ground, pole vault style. ;-)

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:17:41 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<mmarlo...@windstream.net> wrote:

>chaniarts wrote:
>> On 1/16/2012 12:28 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>> On 1/16/2012 12:15 PM, k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK, I have a pickup with a 6' bed. How do I carry 16' lumber on it?
>>>
>>> The reason you ask that question makes me wonder why people even buy
>>> short-bed pickups instead of the real thing. If you're gonna drive a
>>> pickup, why not get a long-bed one in the first place?
>>
>> so it'll fit in the garage?
>

>Short garage, if that's a problem! Time to build a new garage.

Well, it is almost time to buy a new house (started looking with an agent this
weekend). The next one is going to have a basement so the garage might fit
*one* car. ;-)

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On 16 Jan 2012 21:36:01 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:

>"k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> writes:
>>On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:38:17 -0800 (PST), Sonny <cedar...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>You don't have any friends with a pickup truck?
>>

>>OK, I have a pickup with a 6' bed. How do I carry 16' lumber on it?
>

>With my ranger 6' bed truck, I have 12" clearance from axle to ground and the
>truck is 15' long. I'd try the suggestion earlier to hang it from the
>front and back bumpers _under_ the truck. The posited 4x4 would still leave
>8" ground clearance, which is more than many modern automobiles, an 18' maybe
>a 20' would even work this way. I probably wouldn't take this on the freeway
>or drive over 35 or 40 with it.

I might try that, but it sounds scary (suspension moving around under there).
It is a Ranger 4x4 (that hasn't been in 4WD since I moved from Vermont to
Alabama ;-).

>I do carry 10 - 12' boards in the 6' bed regularly - most recently some figured 12/4
>8" wide eastern black walnut (sale: USD 5/bf at jackel enterprises - recommended).

10' is a piece of cake; don't even hang a flag. 12' is pushing it a little
but not too bad. 16' is out of the question.

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:23:50 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<mmarlo...@windstream.net> wrote:

>k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:38:17 -0800 (PST), Sonny <cedar...@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>

>>> You don't have any friends with a pickup truck? Simply ask for some
>>> assistance, that way! Buy some beer..... or burgers, steaks(?)....
>>> and, further, have them over for a get-together installing the
>>> things, where you are wanting them. Make it a social gathering, not
>>> a job. Surely your friends understand your situation, as such, and
>>> may likely be looking for an opportunity for a social gathering.
>>

>> OK, I have a pickup with a 6' bed. How do I carry 16' lumber on it?
>

>What kills me about this whole thread is that I've carried a load of 12 foot
>2x6's (PT) in my Hyundai Sonata, by just putting the seats down and letting
>the small amount stick out of the trunk after running them up to the dash.
>If I had used my truck to carry them, I would either have racked them over
>the roof of the truck or let them hang off the back and flag them. It's not
>really all that complicated.

I carried 16' 4x4s on my '78 Granada and both minivans. Easy! Pickups make
it harder, actually.

[Just Wondering]

On 1/17/2012 6:15 AM, willshak wrote:
> Just Wondering wrote the following:

>> On 1/16/2012 12:15 PM, k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>>

>>> OK, I have a pickup with a 6' bed. How do I carry 16' lumber on it?
>>

>> The reason you ask that question makes me wonder why people even buy
>> short-bed pickups instead of the real thing. If you're gonna drive a
>> pickup, why not get a long-bed one in the first place?
>

> Yeah, that extra 2 feet in an 8' bed will handle those 16 footers.
>

Well, it would help a little. After you drop the endgate, you've got
10' supported and only 6' of overhang. Tie a big red warning flag on
the end and you're good to do.

[Just Wondering]

If you're a woodworker, your garage is probably tied up as a woodshop
and hasn't seen a vehicle in years.

[Mike Marlow]

k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:

>
> I might try that, but it sounds scary (suspension moving around under
> there). It is a Ranger 4x4 (that hasn't been in 4WD since I moved
> from Vermont to Alabama ;-).

Shouldn't be a problem. You're going to tie the load up to the truck, so it
will move with the body. No issues with suspension movement.

I have to admit, when someone posted this idea (or having seen someone do
it), I thought this was the most clever of the ideas.


--

-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net

[J. Clarke]

In article <jf1c0m$8q8$1...@dont-email.me>, harry...@harrybrown.net
says...
>
> Just an update guys. First off, I greatly appreciate all of the responses I
> received! I can tell many here have had similar issues and unique
> solutions.
>
> Someone had asked about Lowe's and, yes, that or HD was where I was
> originally going to purchase the 4 posts. You were correct about their $75
> delivery charge and the truck they rent was too short for the posts, so I
> decided against either option.
>
> I also decided against the stationwagon idea. A few years ago, I did
> purchase a 40' aluminum ladder from Lowe's and tied it to the wagon top.
> Made it the 23 mile distance home ok, but then again that was aluminum and
> this is pressure treated soil contact 4x4's so a different animal I suspect.
>
> My local lumber yard, who I hardly ever use, to the rescue! Posts are bit
> higher in price than Lowe's or HD, but only a $3 delivery charge per post.
> So $12 versus $75 at either of the two chains. I'm going with the local
> lumber yard.
>
> Thanks again for all the commentary and tips!

Just a comment for future reference but if you carry lumber and whatnot
often you might want to consider a Yakima rack with 5 foot crossbars.
It's going to be more sturdy than most factory racks and the 5 foot
crossbars make it easy to lash down a sheet of plywood. Most bicycle or
kayaking shops should be able to set you up.

> Harry
>
> "Harry Brown" <harry...@harrybrown.net> wrote in message
> news:jev4r3$4up$1...@dont-email.me...
> > I'm hoping to be able to transport one or two 16 foot long 4x4's with my
> > Ford Taurus stationwagon (with rack on top), but I'm not sure it can be
> > done. Having them delivered is just too high of a cost for a couple of
> > posts. So, is it possible
> > to transport two at a time with my stationwagon and, if so, how would this
> > be done?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Harry
> >

[m II]

Gas economy. I have been told without a cover and with the economy goes
from 12 mpg up to 20 mpg on a full size pickup.

This may not be any concern in the USA as their gas prices are so cheap
and their air doesn't matter.


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wrote in message news:rmgch71cb7e6pf5g7...@4ax.com...

[Steve Barker]

Wrong wrong and wrong. It has been proven time and time again, that
covering the bed of a truck or letting the tailgate stay open does not
improve gas mileage one iota. NADA, nil, zilch. zero. not an ounce
saved. period done.

[Mike Marlow]

Don't bother Steve - you're dealing with both a troll and an idiot. Just
look at his post - from 12 to 20 mpg... Kind says it all.

--

-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net

[Josepi]

You have any cites for that information or where did you get this opinions
from? I would be really interested to see it or know what your statement is
based on, at least, just for interest sake.

I have been told this by pickup owners for a long time and it makes sense to
some degree but not some of the radical numbers I have been told.

I only drive mine with a cover on, unless loaded to the top, and have never
cared about economy. It was a Chevy POS bought to do a job and sits idle
now. I never drove it over the speed of sound so I know the tail shape
becomes important to wind resistance.


---------
"Steve Barker" wrote in message
news:K56dnVrtEqswvYrS...@giganews.com...

Wrong wrong and wrong. It has been proven time and time again, that
covering the bed of a truck or letting the tailgate stay open does not
improve gas mileage one iota. NADA, nil, zilch. zero. not an ounce
saved. period done.

----------

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

That certainly depends on the truck, and the speed it is driven, And
what's in the bed.The toneau on my '57 Fargo gained me almost 2MPG on
the highway when I had boxes of stuff in the bed. And a full cap, with
the proper shaped roof, CAN do better than that. (as can a properly
shaped "spoiler lip" on the top edge of the tailgate).

However, for me, the BIGGEST reason to have a cover on a pickup is so
I don't need to shovel a ton of snow out of the box, and I can cary
stuff in the back with some level of security - without it getting wet
when it rains, dirty on a dirt road, blown out on the highway, or
pinched when I park the truck.

[Lew Hodgett]

Somebody wrote:

>> I wonder why people put caps or covers on pickups. If you want to
>> cover
>> the thing, get an SUV.

----------------------------------
Cause like me, they want a bigger hatch back.

Lew

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

Never, in fact. ;-) Garages make terrible wood shops, though. :-(

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:42:43 -0500, "m II" <C...@in.the.hat> wrote:

>Gas economy. I have been told without a cover and with the economy goes
>from 12 mpg up to 20 mpg on a full size pickup.

In your dreams. A couple of percent, tops.

>This may not be any concern in the USA as their gas prices are so cheap
>and their air doesn't matter.

It matters, but my little truck only gets 15MPG, on a good day )4WD kills gas
mileage).

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 23:15:12 +0000 (GMT), Stuart <Spa...@argonet.co.uk>
wrote:

>In article <rmgch71cb7e6pf5g7...@4ax.com>,

> k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>> I wanted lockable space behind the seat. I also didn't want a monster
>> truck (it's a Ranger).
>
>> I wonder why people put caps or covers on pickups. If you want to cover
>> the thing, get an SUV.
>

>To keep prying (thieving) eyes off what you've got whilst still retaining
>the usefulness of an open back for when you need it?

Get an SUV.

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 06:35:10 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<mmarlo...@windstream.net> wrote:

>k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>
>>
>> I might try that, but it sounds scary (suspension moving around under
>> there). It is a Ranger 4x4 (that hasn't been in 4WD since I moved
>> from Vermont to Alabama ;-).
>
>Shouldn't be a problem. You're going to tie the load up to the truck, so it
>will move with the body. No issues with suspension movement.

Why not? It is moving relative to the body (springs, shocks, axles, transfer
case, drive shaft,...).

>I have to admit, when someone posted this idea (or having seen someone do
>it), I thought this was the most clever of the ideas.

I'd thought about it, but was wondering about the suspension, since it *is*
moving around down there.

[Edward A. Falk]

In article <gc3fh7pdcfmpshnsc...@4ax.com>,

k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>
>It matters, but my little truck only gets 15MPG, on a good day )4WD kills gas
>mileage).

Look around the console; there ought to be a lever or something that
takes it out of 4WD.

My little truck got 25MPG hauling a load of lumber on the freeway
the one time I measured it. It's got a pretty tiny engine
though.

--
-Ed Falk, fa...@despams.r.us.com
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

[k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz]

On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 03:33:28 +0000 (UTC), fa...@rahul.net (Edward A. Falk)
wrote:

>In article <gc3fh7pdcfmpshnsc...@4ax.com>,
>k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>
>>It matters, but my little truck only gets 15MPG, on a good day )4WD kills gas
>>mileage).
>
>Look around the console; there ought to be a lever or something that
>takes it out of 4WD.

Oh, good grief!

>My little truck got 25MPG hauling a load of lumber on the freeway
>the one time I measured it. It's got a pretty tiny engine
>though.

...and no 4WD.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 03:33:28 +0000 (UTC), fa...@rahul.net (Edward A.
Falk) wrote:

>In article <gc3fh7pdcfmpshnsc...@4ax.com>,
>k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>
>>It matters, but my little truck only gets 15MPG, on a good day )4WD kills gas
>>mileage).
>
>Look around the console; there ought to be a lever or something that
>takes it out of 4WD.
>
>My little truck got 25MPG hauling a load of lumber on the freeway
>the one time I measured it. It's got a pretty tiny engine
>though.

FullTime 4wd has no disconnect - and the extra weight of 4wd affects
mileage even when disengaged.

[m II]

Full time 4WD used to have disconnects at the wheel hubs.

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wrote in message news:j85fh71pdgcn2j0o9...@4ax.com...

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

No, PART TIME 4wd had locking hubs.You could not engage 4wd on the
run. There were "manual" and "autromatic" locking hubs. Warn was the
major manufacturer. The automatics released if you backed up with the
transfer case disengaged.
Automatic 4wd today uses a differential disconnect (really just
disconnects one drive axle) and full-time 4wd drives all 4 wheels all
the time. (Also known as AllWheel drive)

[Doug Winterburn]

My Chevy Silverado Duramax 8' bed gets 22mpg on the highway, 14mpg
towing 10k lbs 5th wheel.


--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill

[Mike Marlow]

Edward A. Falk wrote:
> In article <gc3fh7pdcfmpshnsc...@4ax.com>,
> k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>>
>> It matters, but my little truck only gets 15MPG, on a good day )4WD
>> kills gas mileage).
>
> Look around the console; there ought to be a lever or something that
> takes it out of 4WD.
>
> My little truck got 25MPG hauling a load of lumber on the freeway
> the one time I measured it. It's got a pretty tiny engine
> though.

Geezus - my truck would need to be coasting down hill the whole trip to ever
get 25 mpg. 15 is tops for mine, but it gets that no matter what the
circumstances. Until I put it into 4WD... This time of year it spends most
of its time in 4 Low and that is painful - 5 to 6 mpg at the best.

--

-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net

[Mike Marlow]

k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 06:35:10 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
> <mmarlo...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
>> k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I might try that, but it sounds scary (suspension moving around
>>> under there). It is a Ranger 4x4 (that hasn't been in 4WD since I
>>> moved from Vermont to Alabama ;-).
>>
>> Shouldn't be a problem. You're going to tie the load up to the
>> truck, so it will move with the body. No issues with suspension
>> movement.
>
> Why not? It is moving relative to the body (springs, shocks, axles,
> transfer case, drive shaft,...).

Because all of those elements are pretty much in unity with the frame/body.
It's the wheels that are allowed some degree of independence from the
frame/body via the suspension. So - something tied to the underside of the
body will also in unity with the body regardless of suspension travel, not
moving relative to it. There could be some movement dependent on the
suspension type, as some pivot from a centerline point, but the amount of
movement is at its least at the centerline and increases out at the wheel.

>
>> I have to admit, when someone posted this idea (or having seen
>> someone do it), I thought this was the most clever of the ideas.
>
> I'd thought about it, but was wondering about the suspension, since
> it *is* moving around down there.

Well yeah - but just the suspension is moving while you drive. Assuming of
course that the load is secured to the underside in a manner that it is not
going to contact the exhaust or the driveshaft.

You'd sure want to make sure that it ended up hanging at a height that is
higher off the ground than curb heights in your area...

--

-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net

[m II]

You could disconnect the wheels from the old Jeep 4WD if you hung under
the chassis while "on the run".

I don't remember names for any types of 4WD back then. These appear to
be some new advertising hype.

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wrote in message news:tk8fh7l9ov71qodg2...@4ax.com...

No, PART TIME 4wd had locking hubs.You could not engage 4wd on the
run. There were "manual" and "autromatic" locking hubs. Warn was the
major manufacturer. The automatics released if you backed up with the
transfer case disengaged.

------------

[Steve Barker]

in which case it wasn't a "full time" four wheel drive. the real full
time 4x4's did not have lockouts (manual or automatic) on the hubs.

[Edward A. Falk]

In article <534fh7pinmmlitsn1...@4ax.com>,

k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 03:33:28 +0000 (UTC), fa...@rahul.net (Edward A. Falk)
>wrote:
>
>>

>>Look around the console; there ought to be a lever or something that
>>takes it out of 4WD.
>
>Oh, good grief!

I was not being serious.

>>My little truck got 25MPG hauling a load of lumber on the freeway
>>the one time I measured it. It's got a pretty tiny engine
>>though.
>
>...and no 4WD.

Yes, it does. I just normally drive it in 2WD mode.

[Edward A. Falk]

In article <j85fh71pdgcn2j0o9...@4ax.com>,

<cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:

>FullTime 4wd has no disconnect - and the extra weight of 4wd affects
>mileage even when disengaged.

Ahh, I was unaware that there were 4WD vehicles that couldn't go into
2WD mode.

[Edward A. Falk]

In article <4a225$4f180453$4b75eb81$24...@ALLTEL.NET>,

Mike Marlow <mmarlo...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
>Geezus - my truck would need to be coasting down hill the whole trip to ever
>get 25 mpg.

Yeah, like I said, it's got a really tiny engine. Not looking forward
to the first time I have to go uphill towing a trailer.

[Steve Barker]

On 1/19/2012 4:11 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
> In article<j85fh71pdgcn2j0o9...@4ax.com>,
> <cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>
>> FullTime 4wd has no disconnect - and the extra weight of 4wd affects
>> mileage even when disengaged.
>
> Ahh, I was unaware that there were 4WD vehicles that couldn't go into
> 2WD mode.
>

Most all suv's are that way now. They've coined a yuppie term, it's
called "all wheel drive" . It distinguishes their luxury vehicle from
those redneck ones.