Rebuilding Outdoor Bench - Wood Suggestions?

[DerbyDad03]

It's time to rebuild the bench I inherited from my Grandparents. It
was around when I was a kid, so it's gotta be at least 70 YO. Probably
a lot more. I want to do it justice.

The slat's are just under 1 3/8" thick, milled thinner (~1") at the ends
to fit into slots in the wrought iron sides. This thing is a beast compared
to the home center benches of today.

https://i.imgur.com/hv0oiLL.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/vJk8EWZ.jpg

I know I could go with cedar but I'm looking for other suggestions.
Something that:

1 - Won't require a home equity loan
2 - Can handle 4 seasons, -10° to 100°F, snow, rain, etc.

Finish suggestions would also be welcome.

Thanks!

[Leon]

So my parents bought this bench kit several years ago and I rebuild 3
for a customer.

Hang on to the old slats to get the measurements right. IIRC they are
slightly different sizes so that they will bend and can be bolted into
place.

Anyway, I use Ipe decking for the replacement wood with SS bolts,
washers and locking nuts.

The customer had the iron ends powder coated.

You don't have to finish Ipe unless you want to keep refinishing
periodically. Ipe is an Iron wood and very dense.

[hub...@ccanoemail.ca]

It's a beaut.
There are some modern < tropical > decking woods that might work -
they _are_ expensive when doing a deck - but your quantity
might not be too bad .. < ? >

https://www.thisoldhouse.com/decking/21017708/all-about-hardwood-decking

Curious if you could add a 3rd back board or extend the bottom
board down ? - the photo makes it look like a big space between
the lower back board and the seat ?
John T.

[DerbyDad03]

On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 4:26:43 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
> On 7/1/2021 2:31 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > It's time to rebuild the bench I inherited from my Grandparents. It
> > was around when I was a kid, so it's gotta be at least 70 YO. Probably
> > a lot more. I want to do it justice.
> >
> > The slat's are just under 1 3/8" thick, milled thinner (~1") at the ends
> > to fit into slots in the wrought iron sides. This thing is a beast compared
> > to the home center benches of today.
> >
> > https://i.imgur.com/hv0oiLL.jpg
> >
> > https://i.imgur.com/vJk8EWZ.jpg
> >
> > I know I could go with cedar but I'm looking for other suggestions.
> > Something that:
> >
> > 1 - Won't require a home equity loan
> > 2 - Can handle 4 seasons, -10° to 100°F, snow, rain, etc.
> >
> > Finish suggestions would also be welcome.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> So my parents bought this bench kit several years ago and I rebuild 3
> for a customer.
>
> Hang on to the old slats to get the measurements right. IIRC they are
> slightly different sizes so that they will bend and can be bolted into
> place.

That was my plan.

The front slat appears to be milled at an angle so that it follows the slope
of the iron ends. Probably for comfort under the thigh.

>
> Anyway, I use Ipe decking for the replacement wood with SS bolts,
> washers and locking nuts.
>
> The customer had the iron ends powder coated.
>
> You don't have to finish Ipe unless you want to keep refinishing
> periodically. Ipe is an Iron wood and very dense.

I'll have to see if I can easily get IPE at at least 1 3/8" so I can mill
it down.

Is IPE one of those woods you should only mill while wearing a full
hazmat suit?

[DerbyDad03]

On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 4:32:27 PM UTC-4, hub...@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 12:31:33 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
>
> >It's time to rebuild the bench I inherited from my Grandparents. It
> >was around when I was a kid, so it's gotta be at least 70 YO. Probably
> >a lot more. I want to do it justice.
> >
> >The slat's are just under 1 3/8" thick, milled thinner (~1") at the ends
> >to fit into slots in the wrought iron sides. This thing is a beast compared
> >to the home center benches of today.
> >
> >https://i.imgur.com/hv0oiLL.jpg
> >
> >https://i.imgur.com/vJk8EWZ.jpg
> >
> >I know I could go with cedar but I'm looking for other suggestions.
> >Something that:
> >
> >1 - Won't require a home equity loan
> >2 - Can handle 4 seasons, -10° to 100°F, snow, rain, etc.
> >
> >Finish suggestions would also be welcome.
> >
> >Thanks!
> It's a beaut.
> There are some modern < tropical > decking woods that might work -
> they _are_ expensive when doing a deck - but your quantity
> might not be too bad .. < ? >
>
> https://www.thisoldhouse.com/decking/21017708/all-about-hardwood-decking

I'll look at that link. Thanks!

>
> Curious if you could add a 3rd back board or extend the bottom
> board down ? - the photo makes it look like a big space between
> the lower back board and the seat ?
> John T.

There's no need to change the back from a comfort perspective.

Besides, there is no mounting method for a 3rd board. Each "slot"
has an oval backer that is part of the iron ends and there are only 2.
The armrests start right below the lower board.

"Extending" the bottom board would not only look strange (IMO)
it might also change the comfort of the bench.

[Markem618]

No, but I think it will wear planer blades quickly.

[Leon]

I did not. I will say that if you sweat the dust will turn blood red
and you might think that you re bleeding.

Ipe Decking is 1" thick, 5/4 Plenty strong!

[Leon]

On 7/1/2021 3:36 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

.

One more thing. New wood does NOT make it more comfortable. But worth
the effort for keep sake.

[DerbyDad03]

It does if you are wearing shorts and the peeling paint is scratching your legs. ;-O

[k...@notreal.com]

Ipe? White Oak?

>Finish suggestions would also be welcome.

Oil? None?

[DerbyDad03]

I'll have to see if that will work. It might, because, as I said, the ends of
each slat are milled down to about 1" to fit in the slots in the iron.

I've another bench that I rebuilt a few years ago, using 3/4 poplar. These
slats just sit on a rail. This bench also gives a little when you sit on it. It
doesn't get much use though. It's really just something to fill in an empty
space.

https://i.imgur.com/cPayK0s.jpg

The one I want to rebuild now has rectangular openings in the iron that surround
the ends of each slat on all four sides. The iron is also much beefier so I want
to be sure the scale of the wood matches the scale of the iron.

[DerbyDad03]

How does white oak hold up outdoors? Does it need finish and upkeep?

[Ed Pawlowski]

Holds up for wine barrels but will turn gray.

My first choice would be Brazilian Cherry (Jatoba)
Next:
Ipe
White oak
Teak
Cypress

Some thoughts here
https://woodsmithspirit.com/best-woods-outdoor-furniture/

[Scott Lurndal]

DerbyDad03 <teama...@eznet.net> writes:
>It's time to rebuild the bench I inherited from my Grandparents. It
>was around when I was a kid, so it's gotta be at least 70 YO. Probably
>a lot more. I want to do it justice.
>

>The slat's are just under 1 3/8" thick, milled thinner (~1") at the ends=20

>to fit into slots in the wrought iron sides. This thing is a beast compared
>to the home center benches of today.

I rebuilt mine using leftover teak planks from veranda decking. Do remember
to round-over the edges.

[dpb]

I used Cumaru instead of Ipe as wanted the somewhat lighter color and
it's a little less expensive that Ipe when redid the two existing porch
floors plus the new one. In the end, it priced out as only very
slightly more expensive than cedar and is clear instead of knotty and as
Leon notes as with Ipe, it's 2-3X stiffer than SYP so you won't need
nearly the thickness to get the same or even more solid feel.

Either mills relatively easily compared to the harder of the normal
hardwoods, but definitely requires carbide as is heavy in silicates that
will dull anything else in short order.

You can get regular dimensional tubaX material as well as the regular
flooring -- it is very dense in comparison as well as stiff so the
weight will be very noticeable difference -- that may also be an
advantage for the purpose.

With the amount we ordered, shipping wasn't at all bad from Advantage
Lumber; not so sure about smaller shipments if not in a location with
local outlets--there was nobody within 250 mi here that had any access
at all from any of their distributors so the online source was it.

I have no qualms in recommending Advantage Lumber to deal with...

--

[k...@notreal.com]

On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 18:12:57 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

>On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 9:05:20 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 12:31:33 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
>>
>> >It's time to rebuild the bench I inherited from my Grandparents. It
>> >was around when I was a kid, so it's gotta be at least 70 YO. Probably
>> >a lot more. I want to do it justice.
>> >
>> >The slat's are just under 1 3/8" thick, milled thinner (~1") at the ends
>> >to fit into slots in the wrought iron sides. This thing is a beast compared
>> >to the home center benches of today.
>> >
>> >https://i.imgur.com/hv0oiLL.jpg
>> >
>> >https://i.imgur.com/vJk8EWZ.jpg
>> >
>> >I know I could go with cedar but I'm looking for other suggestions.
>> >Something that:
>> >
>> >1 - Won't require a home equity loan
>> >2 - Can handle 4 seasons, -10° to 100°F, snow, rain, etc.
>> Ipe? White Oak?
>> >Finish suggestions would also be welcome.
>> Oil? None?
>
>How does white oak hold up outdoors? Does it need finish and upkeep?

Park benches are usually White Oak. It's decay and rot resistant. If
you want it to keep looking like furniture it needs protection but so
does Ipe (and anything else). White Oak is probably the cheapest and
most available species for this purpose.

[DerbyDad03]

It sure would mill easier at almost 1/3 the hardness of Ipe. That might be
good choice.

Thanks