Has anybody used one of these?

[Jim]

https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-pro-dual-spindle-doweling-joiner/t32540?trk_msg=7LK7FV7CV5OKTAIHN07J22U1N4&trk_contact=CFTK7V2KE07MS9VG5IOSF68DE4&trk_sid=1BMLK960OMQOO7U1RPK1B0O73G&trk_link=CB49G1SIROIKV4U40VC4JA7GMO&dtm_em=00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe47cf410f52&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=SALE+%2499.95&utm_campaign=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89&utm_content=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89

[Leon]

On 8/2/2022 8:01 AM, Jim wrote:
> https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-pro-dual-spindle-doweling-joiner/t32540?trk_msg=7LK7FV7CV5OKTAIHN07J22U1N4&trk_contact=CFTK7V2KE07MS9VG5IOSF68DE4&trk_sid=1BMLK960OMQOO7U1RPK1B0O73G&trk_link=CB49G1SIROIKV4U40VC4JA7GMO&dtm_em=00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe47cf410f52&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=SALE+%2499.95&utm_campaign=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89&utm_content=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89


Some body has. Freud came out with one of those IIRC about 14 years
ago as an answer/alternative to the Festool Domino.

The problem is that Plate joiners/Biscuit cutters and the Festool Domino
allow for a degree of misalignment.

This tool DOES NOT. If the placement for the holes for the mating half
are not "PRECISELY" placed/aligned, the mating pieces/dowels will not fit.

[k...@notreal.com]

On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 06:01:34 -0700 (PDT), Jim <ry...@jimryan.com> wrote:

>https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-pro-dual-spindle-doweling-joiner/t32540?trk_msg=7LK7FV7CV5OKTAIHN07J22U1N4&trk_contact=CFTK7V2KE07MS9VG5IOSF68DE4&trk_sid=1BMLK960OMQOO7U1RPK1B0O73G&trk_link=CB49G1SIROIKV4U40VC4JA7GMO&dtm_em=00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe47cf410f52&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=SALE+%2499.95&utm_campaign=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89&utm_content=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89

No, I've never seen one and the price is certainly right. It seems
that the drill separation determines the smallest joint possible. For
example, mission style spindles would be a problem. As Leon says, the
alignment has to be perfect for dowel joints. For a hundred bucks, it
might be worth a try.

[Scott Lurndal]

Be aware that that it comes with 8mm bits. You'll need metric dowels
or new bits (it doesn't use a jacobs chuck, but rather a simple set
screw to secure the bits, not sure how well that will support bits with
a different base diameter).

They claim 1HP, which is pretty hefty for a handheld universal motor.

[k...@notreal.com]

On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 16:30:45 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

I don't see this a bigger lie than a 6.5HP shop vac. Universal motor
ratings are meaningless all the way around. Much like "peak music
power".

[Bob Davis]

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 8:01:39 AM UTC-5, Jim wrote:
> https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-pro-dual-spindle-doweling-joiner/t32540?trk_msg=7LK7FV7CV5OKTAIHN07J22U1N4&trk_contact=CFTK7V2KE07MS9VG5IOSF68DE4&trk_sid=1BMLK960OMQOO7U1RPK1B0O73G&trk_link=CB49G1SIROIKV4U40VC4JA7GMO&dtm_em=00f31bb41a7a88f3f54b7fdca9a25035f578d5f3b6b7a7f99e1dfe47cf410f52&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=SALE+%2499.95&utm_campaign=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89&utm_content=Things+You+Need+On+Sale!+%f0%9f%8e%89

If you are interested in dowel joints, I recommend spending the money for a high quality doweling jig. This will work with many more situations and blow the spindle doweling joiner away for accuracy.

https://www.incrementaltools.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=JE08350

Bob

[Leon]

I do not see that so much as a lie as a way more than needed power rating.

[Leon]

YES!!! For a fit that will be accurate you need a jig that holds both
pieces of wood, in registration with each other, and allows drilling all
holes before relocating the jig.

[Scott Lurndal]

Bob Davis <wrober...@gmail.com> writes:
>On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 8:01:39 AM UTC-5, Jim wrote:

>> https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-pro-dual-spindle-doweling-joiner=
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>
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>

>https://www.incrementaltools.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=3DJE08350

Or find one of these at a garage sale, antique store or flea market.

https://support.stanleytools.com/hc/en-us/articles/360012683198-Doweling-Jig-No-59-Instructions

[k...@notreal.com]

On Wed, 03 Aug 2022 14:52:43 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

That's not going to accurately place holes. There are hundreds of
jigs better than that.

[k...@notreal.com]

[k...@notreal.com]

On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 07:38:27 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

No, it's a lie. 1HP = 746W. Do you really think a 20A circuit, with
the vacuum's 16GA cord and 15A plug, is going supply 40A to the
vacuum? BTW, the above numbers assume a 100% efficient motor.

[Leon]

IMHO a good jig is one that holds both mating pieces, in registration,
while drilling holes. If you have to move the jig to drill the mating
holes you may have an alignment issue.

[Leon]

FWIW I am talking about strictly the double drill dowel machine, not the
VAC.


I am not electrical expert but I have several items in my shop that draw
way in excess of 746W from an extension cord. My space heater comes to
mind with 1500W.

[k...@notreal.com]

Sure, but the point is that it's a universal motor, as is the shop
vac. They're rated with the same lie. An induction motor (as would
be found in a stationary tool) is rated properly. A loaded 1HP motor
will use 746W (a little more because of <100% efficiency). Why the
difference in rating methodology?

>
>
>I am not electrical expert but I have several items in my shop that draw
>way in excess of 746W from an extension cord. My space heater comes to
>mind with 1500W.

746W is about 6A so, sure, an extension cord will handle it. 1500W is
twice that, or 12A. That's fine through 14ga and 16ga will probably
handle it without a problem (uncoil it if it's for any time). 6-1/2
times 746W is not OK on a 20A 120V circuit. You're not going to run a
5HP table saw in a 120V circuit, with a 16ga extension cord, or at
all. It's going to be a 240V circuit.

[k...@notreal.com]

As you noted here many times, a Domino, or even a plate joiner
(thought I hate them) has some lateral slop so that _exact_ placement
isn't required. Dowels have to be placed exactly or they're not going
to go.

[Scott Lurndal]

Certainly there are more expensive alternatives. Not everyone
can afford one, and the #59 has been a viable option for almost
a century.

[k...@notreal.com]

On Thu, 04 Aug 2022 14:16:14 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)

My point is that it's no better than a slew of other dowel jigs, and
some whole lot better. It's nothing at all special, other than it
might appeal to tool collectors (no idea why).