Can I bleach red oak so that it stains close to white oak?

[keith edward]

Hello,

I have some really nice white oak flooring that I picked up. I really
like the brown tones, as opposed to the red/orange tones that come
with red oak.

I can not seem to find white oak posts and rails that I can stain to
match the white oak floor. I can pick up lots of red oak posts/rails
cheap, but the stained red oak looks horrible next to the white
oak....

I have heard you can do some tricks with red oak so that it looks more
like white... what are your experiences? Can this be done? How?

Thanks for any and all info...
Keith

[penn...@gmail.com]

[Mike Marlow]

If you stain it with black latex paint...

[k...@attt.bizz]

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 20:51:59 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<mmarlo...@windstream.net> wrote:

>
>If you stain it with black latex paint...
>

Right. Save the white latex paint for cherry.

[Leon]

On 6/11/2014 7:46 PM, penn...@gmail.com wrote:


You realize that red oak is lighter in color than white oak, right?

[Mike Marlow]

Leon wrote:
> On 6/11/2014 7:46 PM, penn...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> You realize that red oak is lighter in color than white oak, right?

Not when it's painted with black latex paint it ain't...

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mmarlo...@windstream.net

[Puckdropper at dot]

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlo...@windstream.net> wrote in news:lnb16r$41l$1
@dont-email.me:

> Leon wrote:
>> On 6/11/2014 7:46 PM, penn...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> You realize that red oak is lighter in color than white oak, right?
>
> Not when it's painted with black latex paint it ain't...
>

Why not simply use a rattle can?

Puckdropper
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Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

[Gordon Shumway]

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 21:53:15 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<mmarlo...@windstream.net> wrote:

>Leon wrote:
>> On 6/11/2014 7:46 PM, penn...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> You realize that red oak is lighter in color than white oak, right?
>
>Not when it's painted with black latex paint it ain't...

Hold on now. All I want to know is which one of you two is Abbot and
which one is Costello... or is it Moe and Larry?

[dpb]

On 6/11/2014 7:46 PM, penn...@gmail.com wrote:

Depending on the particular pieces, can probably get a reasonable color
matching with some trial and error. Red oak can have a great deal of
variability in color; I've got some that is very red and other that is,
as Leon says, as light or lighter than some white oak in shade.

The grain, however, is noticeably different...

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[whit3rd]

On Friday, July 12, 2002 4:46:12 PM UTC-7, keith edward wrote:

> I have some really nice white oak flooring that I picked up....

> I can not seem to find white oak posts and rails that I can stain to
> match the white oak floor.

So, thinking outside the box... instead of matching, maybe you should
accentuate the contrast? How about ebonizing the red oak?

Matching: hard. Contrast: easy.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 11:56:34 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
wrote:

How about trying ash? The grain matches oak fairly well and is closer
to white oak than red from what I remember. My floor and my kitchen
cabinets are both "grey ash". Floor was stained, cabinets not.

[EXT]

<cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote in message
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Yeah, get all the ash that you can before it is all dead from the long horn
beetle.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

There is a lot on the market right now because if you cut it before
it is dead the wood is still good, even if infected. Lots of places
are basically "clear cutting" ash ahead of the onslaught, trying to
stop the advance of the beatle.

[Mike Marlow]

cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:

> There is a lot on the market right now because if you cut it before
> it is dead the wood is still good, even if infected. Lots of places
> are basically "clear cutting" ash ahead of the onslaught, trying to
> stop the advance of the beatle.

I don't know how widespread this is, but I was talking to a logger recently
who told me the mills cannot receive ash from more than 50 miles away -
owing to the beetle. It's getting harder for loggers to sell off ash for
more than just firewood.

--

-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

Here they just ship it south, where the beatle has already hit. Can't
even ship firewood north from here, but south is no problem because
basically all the ash south of here is already dead or infected.

[John Grossbohlin]

wrote in message news:54cvp9laatjml01d2...@4ax.com...

Around here in upstate NY the Emerald Ash Borer is the problem... NYC DEP is
going to take down 4,000 trees near one of their upstate reservoirs, about
half of them ash.

There are distance restrictions for trucking to mills. Firewood is
restricted also. Some of the firewood dealers are looking to put in kilns to
dry the wood and kill all the insects so that they can service a wider area.
NYS DEC Forest Rangers are doing "firewood stings" at campgrounds looking
for wood that is outside of the regulations.

[SonomaProducts.com]

On Friday, July 12, 2002 4:46:12 PM UTC-7, keith edward wrote:

Depending on exactly how the WO is colored you could probably get close by dying. Just buy three or 4 colors of transtint liquid and start playing. They have primary colors like yellow, etc. but also something like antique maple, etc. Just try mix and match, keeping records of the mixes, use lots of samples and dial it in. Once you get close be sure to take the extra step of varnish because it will also change the color quite a bit and dye's look horrible before they are covered with a film finish but jump to life after.

P.S. I think you mostly want a light wash of yellow to bring Red Oak towards White oak shades.

[Leon]

You think? I wonder if red oak and white oak in your neck of the woods
are a different color than what we get in SE Texas.

Down here red oak is similar in color as white oak when unfinished.
Sanded red oak has a pink cast. Once both have a clear finish however
the red oak is golden in color and white oak has a medium brown color.
I steer more toward using white oak these days to get away from the
golden yellowy color that red oak has.

[SonomaProducts.com]

> You think? I wonder if red oak and white oak in your neck of the woods
>
> are a different color than what we get in SE Texas.
>

Yes, Red Oak is Pink and White is tan. However, colors have sort of a stacking effect. So I am just guessing that yellow on the pink will push it towards tan. You just have to play with these things to see where you get. I worked with an antique refinish/repair guy who had a color wheel in his head and could get these things right with the first try every time.

[Leon]

Gotcha! Some times you add colors you would never guess, to get to a
specific color. Right Swingman? LOL

[Swingman]

Hell, I conquered the color world that day I learned to read the words
on a crayon, learned to use an ohmmeter to insure the RGB wires on a
monitor cable have continuity, and the reason there are numbers on a
paint can.

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[Dave Balderstone]

In article <IeOdnd48sJGBuz7O...@giganews.com>, Leon

<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

> Gotcha! Some times you add colors you would never guess, to get to a
> specific color. Right Swingman? LOL

And then try and explain to a client why a color under fluorescents
looks different than in natural light...

Hint: Explaining refraction and reflection of certain wavelengths of
light by different pigments is NOT helpful.

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[Leon]

Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
> In article <IeOdnd48sJGBuz7O...@giganews.com>, Leon
> <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> Gotcha! Some times you add colors you would never guess, to get to a
>> specific color. Right Swingman? LOL
>
> And then try and explain to a client why a color under fluorescents
> looks different than in natural light...
>
> Hint: Explaining refraction and reflection of certain wavelengths of
> light by different pigments is NOT helpful.

Oh that is simple. Just tell them that natural light has all colors that we
can see. Artificial lighting does not. If a color from a particular light
source is not present the wood or pigment cannot reflect it. Then you can
go into the colors that are absorbed and not reflected by the wood. :-)