UK equivalents of UK materials
Jim Mowreader
bob.m...@roke.co.uk (Bob Minchin) wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Over the last couple of years I have been watching Norm Abram on the 'New
> Yankee Workshop' programme and have been able to convert most terms from
> US to UK english, but the following still elude me:-
>
> 1) Yellow Carpenters glue - is this Poly Vinyl Acetate Usually white in UK?
It's close, and in the US most people use the yellow glue (also called
"aliphatic resin," though some glue factories have been known to put
yellow dye in PVA and sell it as "yellow glue." We have three types: the
stuff Norm uses, which is called Titebond; a weather-resistant type called
Titebond II; and a brown Titebond for gluing up walnut and mahogany.
However, I've also used Elmer's Glue-All, the PVA that schoolchildren use
to glue up construction-paper projects, and it works okay on woodworking
projects.
> 2) A high strength wood glue that Norm uses that cures in contact with water
This is polyurethane glue, also known as Gorilla Glue. Expensive and nice
to work with, IMO.
> 3) Construction Adhesive - comes in cartridges like sealing mastics etc
A hardware store should have this.
> 4) Latex based paint -seems to be a quite common product also favoured by
> environmently friendly shows - only requires water to clean up
When I was in Germany with the US Forces, we used Sikkens Diwagolan, which
smells very much like latex paint. It was good paint, and the container
was really nice--plastic with a snap-on lid. In the US we still use metal
cans, which are easy to damage the lid, get finish in the sealing groove
so you can never get the lid back on without a cheap chisel to dig the
hardened finish out, etc.
> Any Help gratefully received.
>
> Incidentally, for the US readers I am not trying to restart the Norm -Love
> him -Hate him campaign!!! <GBG>
>
> Regards
>
> Bob Minchin
>
> --
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Bob Minchin
Over the last couple of years I have been watching Norm Abram on the 'New
Yankee Workshop' programme and have been able to convert most terms from
US to UK english, but the following still elude me:-
1) Yellow Carpenters glue - is this Poly Vinyl Acetate Usually white in UK?
2) A high strength wood glue that Norm uses that cures in contact with water
3)Construction Adhesive - comes in cartridges like sealing mastics etc
4) Latex based paint -seems to be a quite common product also favoured by
environmently friendly shows - only requires water to clean up
Any Help gratefully received.
Bob Minchin
In article <bob.minchin-02...@ps-mac.roke.co.uk>,
bob.m...@roke.co.uk (Bob Minchin) wrote:
Peter D Jones
>1) Yellow Carpenters glue - is this Poly Vinyl Acetate Usually white in
UK?
>2) A high strength wood glue that Norm uses that cures in contact with
water
>3)Construction Adhesive - comes in cartridges like sealing mastics etc
>4) Latex based paint -seems to be a quite common product also favoured by
>environmently friendly shows - only requires water to clean up
1) Not quite. Yellow glue is a modified PVA, described on the bottle as
"aliphatic resin", and sold under the proprietary names of Franklin's
Titebond and Elmer's Carpenters Wood Glue. I've only seen it in the local
model shop at outrageous prices. It is more viscous than their white glue,
with better resistance to heat and also more rigid so not subject to
problems of creep. Not waterproof.
If you need a UK substitute, try small quantities of various UK PVA types -
some are more viscous than others and have better grab if that's what you
are after but remember they all creep under load which is sometimes an
advantage.
2) Probably a casein type glue. Cascamite would seem to be our equivalent.
Water resistant but not for continuous immersion. Don't seem to be able to
find this in the local sheds any more.
3) This could well be a panel adhesive, such as Gripfill and similar.
4) No idea - but ordinary emulsion only requires water. I wonder what it is.
On subject of glues in US, does this Norm chappie use what they call white
glue? They appears to be normal PVA, sold there as Elmer's Glue-all, Sears'
white glue and Franklin's Evertite white glue.
HTH
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Regards
Peter D Jones
Southampton
Frank Erskine
<bob.m...@roke.co.uk> writes
>Hi All,
>
>Over the last couple of years I have been watching Norm Abram on the 'New
>Yankee Workshop' programme and have been able to convert most terms from
>US to UK english, but the following still elude me:-
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>
>4) Latex based paint -seems to be a quite common product also favoured by
>environmently friendly shows - only requires water to clean up
>
>Any Help gratefully received.
I think that "latex" paint is simply emulsion paint. I may be wrong
though.
Regards -
--
Frank Erskine
Sunderland
Don't go metric - feet, BSF, Whitworth and inches are miles better
John McGaw
Bob Minchin <bob.m...@roke.co.uk> wrote in article
<bob.minchin-02...@ps-mac.roke.co.uk>...
> Hi All,
>
> Over the last couple of years I have been watching Norm Abram on the 'New
> Yankee Workshop' programme and have been able to convert most terms from
> US to UK english, but the following still elude me:-
>
> 1) Yellow Carpenters glue - is this Poly Vinyl Acetate Usually white in
UK?
This is a modified PVA glue designed for woodworking. Some are modified
further to make them water-resistant when cured. In a pinch, the white
stuff should prove to be more than adequate although I believe that Walker
and Anderson, Ltd. produce an exact match.
> 2) A high strength wood glue that Norm uses that cures in contact with
water
This is polyurethane glue that has been sold in Europe for well over a
decade. Water acts as a catalyst causing it to foam up a bit and to harden.
It is truly waterproof when cured. Contains di-isocyanate, an irritant, so
the warnings on the label might give a clue. Again, you might check with
Walker and Anderson. They have a web site although I've misplaced their
URL.
> 3)Construction Adhesive - comes in cartridges like sealing mastics etc
That is a tough one. I'm sure that you have the equivalent. I know that it
is used for construction in Denmark if that helps any what with the Common
Market and all.
> 4) Latex based paint -seems to be a quite common product also favoured by
> environmently friendly shows - only requires water to clean up
Go to a local store that sells wall paint for home use. If the label
advises water clean up then you have the basic stuff. Some is latex, some
is acrylic, some is acrylic latex, some contains who knows what. It is
available in glossy, semi-glossy, and flat finishes and tintable to many
colours from beautiful to hideous depending on your tastes. This is
probably the same sort of paint that you call emulsion.
snip...
If it helps any, I have watched an avant-garde UK home decorating program
several times and tried to figure out the equivalent materials from that
with questionable results.
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George Nazarko
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>Frank Erskine
>Sunderland
> Don't go metric - feet, BSF, Whitworth and inches are miles better
Don't pay in EUROs - Florins, shillings, ha'pennies and what in the H... is
a guinea?
Dave Plowman
<no-spam...@usit.net> wrote:
>
> If it helps any, I have watched an avant-garde UK home decorating program
> several times and tried to figure out the equivalent materials from that
> with questionable results.
You're not alone there John. Most of the DIY shows over here seem to come
from a different planet.
>
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RIP Acorn
Wally Goffeney
<peter...@mudhut.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Bob Minchin wrote in message ...<snip>
>>1) Yellow Carpenters glue - is this Poly Vinyl Acetate Usually white in
>UK?
>>2) A high strength wood glue that Norm uses that cures in contact with
>water
>>3)Construction Adhesive - comes in cartridges like sealing mastics etc
>>4) Latex based paint -seems to be a quite common product also favoured by
>>environmently friendly shows - only requires water to clean up
><snip>
>
>1) Not quite. Yellow glue is a modified PVA, described on the bottle as
>"aliphatic resin", and sold under the proprietary names of Franklin's
>Titebond and Elmer's Carpenters Wood Glue. I've only seen it in the local
>model shop at outrageous prices. It is more viscous than their white glue,
>with better resistance to heat and also more rigid so not subject to
>problems of creep. Not waterproof.
>
>If you need a UK substitute, try small quantities of various UK PVA types -
>some are more viscous than others and have better grab if that's what you
>are after but remember they all creep under load which is sometimes an
>advantage.
>
>2) Probably a casein type glue. Cascamite would seem to be our equivalent.
>Water resistant but not for continuous immersion. Don't seem to be able to
>find this in the local sheds any more.
Don't know what Norm uses, but if it requires moisture, it is almost
certainly a moisture-cure polyurethane.
>3) This could well be a panel adhesive, such as Gripfill and similar.
Very similar to panel adhesive, although contruction adhesives are
designed for heavier duty applications such as floor underlayment.
They are usually heavier bodied, higher quality and higher priced than
panel adhesive.
>4) No idea - but ordinary emulsion only requires water. I wonder what it is.
>
>On subject of glues in US, does this Norm chappie use what they call white
>glue? They appears to be normal PVA, sold there as Elmer's Glue-all, Sears'
>white glue and Franklin's Evertite white glue.
Latex base paint usually refers to architectural coatings (both
interior and exterior) in which the solids are emulsifiied in water.
Believe the latex designation is because the original paints of this
type were based on SBR (styrene-butadiene rubber); hence rubber latex
as in natural rubber latex. Although acrylics are more common now,
the latex designation remains.
Sometimes latex is used to describe other water borne paints and
adhesives, incorrectly in my opinion. If technically not incorrect,
it is misleading. Except for the above mentioned latex architectural
coatings, "water borne" is a much better description.
>HTH
>--
>Regards
>Peter D Jones
>Southampton
>
>
>
Wally Goffeney
Bloomfield, MI
Chris Knight
brain-dead couch potato. By comparison with the average DIY programme
on UK TV, Norm is Chippendale in action and accessible to anyone with
an IQ of better than 100.
Chris.
Chris Knight
Re your (1) , I use both Titebond (yellow glue) and Evostick Resin W
(white PVA). Titebond grabs faster, needs less clamping time and does
not creep with time. It is harder to clean up (can chip chisels) and
has less open working time - good for small jobs.
Chris.
On Sat, 02 Jan 1999 17:20:36 +0100, bob.m...@roke.co.uk (Bob
Minchin) wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>Over the last couple of years I have been watching Norm Abram on the 'New
>Yankee Workshop' programme and have been able to convert most terms from
>US to UK english, but the following still elude me:-
>
>1) Yellow Carpenters glue - is this Poly Vinyl Acetate Usually white in UK?
>
>2) A high strength wood glue that Norm uses that cures in contact with water
>
>3)Construction Adhesive - comes in cartridges like sealing mastics etc
>
>4) Latex based paint -seems to be a quite common product also favoured by
>environmently friendly shows - only requires water to clean up
>
Chris French
guineas. I suppose they mean GBP 2.05?
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Frank Erskine
<news...@spennithorne.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <76md8a$1...@news2.tds.net>, George Nazarko <?@?.?> writes
>>
>>Frank Erskine Used the following as a tag ...
>>
>>>Frank Erskine
>>>Sunderland
>>> Don't go metric - feet, BSF, Whitworth and inches are miles better
>>
>>Don't pay in EUROs - Florins, shillings, ha'pennies and what in the H... is
>>a guinea?
>>
>Well it was 21 shillings. Thye horse racing fraternity still talk about
>guineas. I suppose they mean GBP 2.05?
So of course a Euro is almost exactly 2/3 of a guinea... :-)
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Frank Erskine
Sunderland
Don't go metric - foot, pint and pound are perfectly sound.
Andrew Gabriel
Chris French <news...@spennithorne.demon.co.uk> writes:
>Well it was 21 shillings. Thye horse racing fraternity still talk about
>guineas. I suppose they mean GBP 2.05?
GBP 1.05 :-)
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Consultant Software Engineer
Chris French
<and...@cucumber.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <iLSjSHAb...@spennithorne.demon.co.uk>,
> Chris French <news...@spennithorne.demon.co.uk> writes:
>>Well it was 21 shillings. Thye horse racing fraternity still talk about
>>guineas. I suppose they mean GBP 2.05?
>
>GBP 1.05 :-)
>
Never could get the hang of this new fangled stuff....
Peter D Jones
wouldn't dream of teaching granny to suck eggs.
BTW, I'm constantly amazed at the knowledge, enthusiasm and the degree of
support for amateur wood working in the USA, esp. power tools.
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Southampton, UK
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substitution for an Italian.
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Matthew Marks
Dave Plowman <dave....@argonet.co.uk> writes:
> You're not alone there John. Most of the DIY shows over here seem to come
> from a different planet.
ROTFL!
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Who's Auntie?
Bob
Matthew Marks
Robert Schmall <bsch...@execpc.com> writes:
> Matthew:
> Who's Auntie?
Auntie Beeb, i.e. the BBC, my employer. First time anyone's asked me that!
Graeme Eldred
<mat...@rd.bbc.co.uk> writes
>In article <7730ee$e...@newsops.execpc.com>,
> Robert Schmall <bsch...@execpc.com> writes:
>> Matthew:
>> Who's Auntie?
>
>Auntie Beeb, i.e. the BBC, my employer. First time anyone's asked me that!
>
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Hertford, England
Andy Dingley
Minchin) wrote:
>1) Yellow Carpenters glue - is this Poly Vinyl Acetate Usually white in UK?
Titebond. Look around and you can buy the US product in the UK.
Evostik resin W in the GREEN tube is a PVA glue (like Elmer's). The
stuff in the BLUE tube has aliphatic resins added to it to increase
water resistance and long term creep. Not quite as water resistant as
Titebond though.
>2) A high strength wood glue that Norm uses that cures in contact with water
Polyurethane wood glues, again they're available from the better
woodie suppliers. I recommend disposable gloves with these, as
they're a real sod to get off your hands.
>3)Construction Adhesive - comes in cartridges like sealing mastics etc
Either "No More Nails", which is water based and comes in a standard
mastic cartridge, or "Gripfill" which is spirit based and comes in a
slightly longer bright green cartridge. Both work well, but the water
based ones need at least one porous surface and the spirit ones have a
faster initial "grab". You'll need a bigger mastic gun to use
Gripfill.
Both cost approx 2 1/2 quid per tube. If they're 6 quid a tube (which
I've seen), then you're in the wrong shop.
>4) Latex based paint -seems to be a quite common product also favoured by
>environmently friendly shows - only requires water to clean up
Again, it's available. Ask for it explicitly in a decent paint shop.
PS - The equivalent of Norm's air nailer is a quaint little device
that we Brits call a "hammer". Maybe we could export some to you ?
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Smert' Spamionem