Wood Dye Question

[richar...@acuma.co.uk]

Hi,

I am about to stain a tongue and grove paneled cloakroom which is pine with an
antique pine dye. This also consists of architrave, skirting, door and shelf.

I was going to use the Liberon Pallette Wood Dye in antique pine but it is
very expensive. I can get 250ml for £5 but it is about £30 - £40 for the
next size up !!

I have found Coloron dye but this is spirt based dye and the Libron is water
based.

Which is the best for this type of job, as I am not sure of the difference
between
water, spirt and oil based dyes.

Also I have some beeswax polish which I wish to use afterwards to seal the
wood as this may effect the type of dye I should use.

Thanks for any help you can offer.

Regards,

Richard

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[Michael Glennon]

Howdy Richard

I can't comment on the particular dyes you mention but I can on aniline's in
general.

I don't know how much you know about anilines so a quick basic. Common
stains are, for all intents and purposes, very thin paints. that is that
they contain solid pigments that stick into the grain and pores of wood to
give it it's color. Dyes, on the other hand, are just like the clothing and
or food dyes in that they soak into the pores of the wood and actually color
it. The big plus of dyes over stains is that the pigments in stains tend to
obscure the grain and muddy it a bit where as dyes truly color the wood and
enhance the grain without making any part of it. In my opinion, the dyes are
a better choice and also allow you more control in that you can mix up a
batch to any intensity you want and or increase or decrease the color by
redying or wiping off the dyes with it's appropriate solvent.

Dyes are supposedly not as color fast as stains and I say supposedly only
because I have things I have dyed with oil or alcohol soluble dyes several
years ago and I see no appreciable fading in the color. Water soluble dyes
are suppose to be the most color fast (but do cause the grain to raise
necessitating knocking it down after the dye has dried) followed by alcohol
then oil soluble dyes.

The dyes come in the three flavors (oil, water, alcohol soluble) for a
couple of reasons. To me the only practical one is that since the dyes are
soluble in one of these three liquids it allows you to pick one that has a
different solvent then the thinner/solvent of the finish you intend to use.
That is, for example, if you were to be using shellac you would not want to
use an alcohol soluble dye since the alcohol in the shellac would cause the
dye to redisslove and lift up into your finish and brush.

Last but not least, for alcohol soluble dyes, they are difficult (but not
impossible) to apply evenly to large areas because they dry so fast.

Hope it helps
Mike G.

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[NOSPAMBOB]

In article <7g9msp$1l3$2...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, "Michael Glennon"
<mj...@worldnet.att.net> writes:

>I can't comment on the particular dyes you mention but I can on aniline's in
general.

<SNIP of great stuff>

Do water based analine dyes have a shelf life after mixing?

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[Michael Glennon]

Good Question. They supposedly do but I usually mix up more then what I use
and have used the left oversee months later and still had it work fine.
So.........

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[Mike Onotsky]

Use either water or spirit (alcohol) dyes but forget the oil. If you get the
alcohol based, you can get the dye disolved in the alcohol and then add
water to dilute if you want. I use both and enjoy each for different things.

There won't be any problems with wax compatibility.

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[NOSPAMBOB]

Mike, appreciate the response here tho the username works for E-mail. Feel
MOST answers belong here! I feel shelf life infowould be a benefit in the FAQ.
Glues, finishes, dyes, etc.

In article <7gao0l$ggp$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, "Michael Glennon"
<mj...@worldnet.att.net> writes:

>
>If you want direct e-mail from me you had best have your correct address
already on the message!!!!!!!
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