Rigid Vs Delta Bandsaw....
Eldon Jons
getting a Delta through Lowe's and am about ready to go with HD. I
thought I would "buy American".....but I would like a saw now, and
Lowe's wouldn't even sell me the display.....Is the Rigid as good? I
bought the Rigid oscillating belt sander and have had good luck with it.
Thanks for any help!
So long....
›››››› Eldon ;>)
Edwin Pawlowski
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So long....
>>>>>> Eldon ;>)
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My bandsaw budget was $300 to $400 and I did some background work at web
sites, then hit the stores. The 14" Delta at Lowes ($329) is, well, just
not all that good for the money. I looked at it a couple of weeks ago as it
was on my list of possibilities, as was the Ridgid. Upon closer looks at
them, I bought neither.
If you can come up with a few more bucks, the Jet 14" ( at Woodcraft and
others) is a better buy. Better finish, includes (for right now) the fence
and miter. It is an enclosed base, it just has more quality than either of
the others.
Delta does make a better 14", but it is $849. I like Delta tools, but the
Jet is a much better buy for the money. ($599 for the Gold Series)
We were in HD tonight and my wife happened to see the Ridgid that I
considered. She took one look and said "yours is much nicer that this one"
and she is right. Look at the paint, the motor mounting, the base, the
finish on the table, the switch, the doors, and you will probably get a Jet.
Had I bought any of theothers, I'd be disappointed down the road. I'm happy
with the Jet even though it was more that I wanted to spend at the time.
There is a Jet 12" for less $, but again, the 14" is going to serve me
better with more capacity.
Ed
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Wayne Cannon
Phisherman wrote:
> There are many companies you can purchase a Delta bandsaw. Decide
> what you want, then shop for the best price. Yeah, you will pay for
> shipping, but generally no sales tax. I prefer companies with 800
> numbers. Look in woodworking magazines. Jet makes a very good 14"
> bandsaw, better than Rigid.
>
--
(Change "nospam" to "wcannon" for e-mail)
Eldon Jons
>If you find Amazon.com's price
> acceptible, you won't pay shipping.
still would have to pay sales tax....
Eldon Jons
>The 14" Delta at Lowes ($329) is, well,
> just not all that good for the money.
Wow.....are we talking about the same saw? The Delta I looked at was
$499 at Lowes and $599 at Amazon.....and even higher in other catalogs.
At any rate, I will take a look at the Jet.
Edwin Pawlowski
"Eldon Jons" <eju...@webtv.net> wrote in message news:19046-3C9E383B-
Ed wrote:
I was confused. The 10" was a toy for $329. The 14" model 28-278 was $492,
but still not as good as the Jet for the extra money. Sorry for the error.
Ed
e...@snet.net
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
Mike Watson
I do alot of Decoy carving and am usually cutting 4" pine or 4"
tupelo. The saw doesn't get daily use on these materials but when I
cut the blanks it does fine. It could use more power...I have a
friend who has the high end Delta and there is no comparison, the
Delta is much better.
If you do decide on the Ridgid a couple of suggestions:
Throw the blade that comes with it away.
Use their directions for initial setup, then by the Bandsaw Handbook
by Duginske and follow his setup instructions. (Actually whatever saw
you buy follow this step)
Buy the riser block. (Then you'll have to throw the blade away)
Good Luck
Robert A
with just two exceptions - the openbase and 3/4 HP motor instead of 1
HP. It looks to be of better design and construction than the Rigid.
Look at Lowes website. You can search stock availability in specific
stores by setting that store into the location and then looking up the
item. You may find the saw is available at another store and it might
be worth the drive. Also - the saw is incredibly heavy. (They
probably all are.)
Robert A
Todd Stock
research availability - they found one for me in P.G. County, MD inside
of three days. If you are within shooting distance of MD, you might
even see if the Largo, MD store has the saw in stock (they had two left
a few months ago).
As to the reason for buying from Lowe's - $497 versus $599 or more for
the open stand.
Also check Woodworker's Supply of New Mexico - they offer the open stand
with a 1 hp Baldor motor - more money, but a better motor than what is
offered on any of the other 14" cast iron saws.
As to the Ridgid versus Delta - check out the review in FWW Shops issue
(#153???) - they thought the Ridgid was a best buy, but suffered from
all the other issues that the authors felt would impact longevity
(aluminum table trunnions, lighter wheels, etc.
Renata
them from my chat with the Timberwolf guy at the Woodworker's Show in
VA this past weekend.
Aluminum in places Delta uses cast iron.
Delta uses a better tire material (urethane vs plastic, IIRC)
The wheels are much more robust on the Delta. But, Jet seems to go a
long way to make theirs flimsy. They're thinner, have larger and more
holes drilled along the backside for the balancing, and no reinforcing
bumps/hunks of material anywhere along the wheel.
There were a few other differences, but I don't remember them Seeing
the differences in the wheels made me decide absolutely against the
Jet.
Seemed (to me) the efforts made to reduce the price on the Jet would
impact all but the lightest use of the saw (at least, eventually).
The Jet did have a 15" (vs 14") table and a 1HP motor (as does the
Delta).
However, I'm rather new to this bandsaw thing and perhaps there are
more experienced folks who can provide better/more detailed comments.
I posted another article on my experience buying a bandsaw at the WW
show and why I didn't buy the Laguna (which seemed a better saw than
the Delta), if you care to look.
Renata
On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 07:15:42 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net>
wrote:
--snip--
>
>If you can come up with a few more bucks, the Jet 14" ( at Woodcraft and
>others) is a better buy. Better finish, includes (for right now) the fence
>and miter. It is an enclosed base, it just has more quality than either of
>the others.
>
--snip--
>Ed
>e...@snet.net
>http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
>
>
>
Wayne Cannon
the review comments over the past few years. The points Renata mentions are
the ones I've heard repeated in almost every review, except that the
conclusions drawn differ in that the differences between the Delta and Jet are
the differences you would care about in a commercial or educational
institution, and wouldn't affect others appreciably. In other words, the
Delta bandsaw's strengths matter in areas of heavy use and abuse and do help
retain their calibration in the face of such use. The Delta and Jet 14"
bandsaws are always at the top of the list in every review. I've yet to hear a
reviewer pan the Jet as flimsy or inferior -- it's just that everyone
appreciates the robustness of the Delta over all comers, including the Jet.
--Wayne
Renata wrote:
AndyB
There is one difference that might matter to even a part time
user. The Delta uses angled lower blade guides so the guides
are very close to the bottom of the table. The jet uses square
ones that are significantly farther away. This could make a
noticable difference when trying to use a thin blade and doing
a lot of tight turns.
But I agree that both saws are excellent. Just a minor point.
"Wayne Cannon" <nos...@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Eldon Jons
within a weeks time........and I had gotten busy on another project so I
didn't need it.
Now.....I'm going to be using it to re-saw various hardwoods to make
some picture frames. Does anyone have have any tips for building a
fence?
Renata
comments from the Timberwolf guy and observations of each saw while
they were side by side. To me, the differences, particularly in the
wheels, were quite noticeable. Whether it would make a difference in
a home workshop (i.e. could one put enough load to say break the
wheel) I don't know. Though, he (Timberwolf rep) did say that he
stalled his Delta resawing a larger chunk of hard maple (in a home
workshop), which may have resulted in a breakage on the Jet.
My basic philosophy is to try to buy the best and cry only once. But
'best' is really a balance between intended use, difference in price,
specific physical differences and such. In this case I came to the
same conclusions as you (below), but when comparing the Laguna to the
Delta. $500 extra for the Laguna was Not $ well spent because the saw
was probably overkill for my envisioned uses. But, $200 bucks more
(Delta over the Jet) I felt the Delta was a much better buy than the
Jet and more than suitable to my needs. I've also bought a few
lesser grade tools in the past based on the assumption that my use
would not be extensive and they would be more than sufficient for my
needs. (Like that Ryobi 1/4 sander - worked fine but I find much
later that the vibration associated with it was not common to ALL
these kinds of sanders - most were much less) However, we're talking
$25 sanders, not $600+ bandsaws. Already spending a decent chunk of
change I felt the extra for the Delta was worth the investment.
Bottom line is that there are differences in the machines that account
for the difference in price, but whether those differences would
impact you or are worth the extra $, is up to each individual to
decide for themselves.
And really, this is only my 2 cents worth.
Renata
On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:14:32 GMT, Wayne Cannon <nos...@sonic.net>
wrote:
George
boy - Delta. Folks won't let you present your reasons without challenge,
though they'll pile on any "Delta Sux" thread with gusto.
I like my blue bandsaw too. It's better than the other I owned - Craftsman,
and the others I've used more than a little - Grizzly and Jet. At least
with me at the controls.
"Renata" <Renata...@honeywell-tsi.com> wrote in message
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Wayne Cannon
your comments about the Jet made it sound like it belonged in the category of
garbage, so I wanted to pipe up in Jet's defense and say that the 14" Jet band
saw always rates above all of its common competitors, except for Delta,
including Rigid, General, Craftsman, and Grizzly.
By the way, I'd spring for the extra bucks and get the Delta. However, from
what I've read, the differences between the Delta and the Jet probably aren't
really worth the $250 (30% to 41%) difference between Jet and Delta 14" 1 hp
closed base band saws for 90% of users, including me.
--Wayne
Renata
the Delta, there were notably 'deficiencies'.
Not to say it won't work for some people. But, I tend to be one of
those (I repeat) that tries to get the best I can and cry only once
(with some balance as stated in an earlier post).
Personally, from what I saw at the show, as you moved from the Jet to
the Delta to the Laguna, the the saws got more 'heavy duty'. For me,
I didn't want to take the chance of, say, braking one of the Jet
wheels and being out 600 bucks - I'd rather spend the extra 250
(though I don't know real difference at the show and I got the Delta
for 735; don't know the deals on the Jet) and get the Delta. By the
same token, I felt the difference in price and extra 'capability' of
the Laguna was beyond my needs.
OK, now you made me go find the review...
From "Tools and Shops" (FWW) loosely quoted:
Jet - "fit and finish second only to the Delta", "cut acceptably",
"during resaw, the motor had less tendency to bog down compared to all
but the Delta", beefier than any of the saws, except the Delta".
Delta - "standard by which all other 14" badnsaws are measured",
"several important parts, including the frame, wheels, trunion and
table, are the beefiest of the bunch", test cuts acceptable", highest
price tag".
The Laguna was reveiwed in the next issue, which the cat or bird are
apparenlty reviewing...
Note: "second only to the Delta", "except the Delta", "all but the
Delta". This concurs with what I saw at the show. Site unseen, based
on the reveiws I thought the Jet was pretty good too. At the show, I
saw it and it's lesser characteristics, and decided the Delta was a
better purchase. (sorry for terrible grammer).
Renata
On Sun, 31 Mar 2002 00:21:50 GMT, Wayne Cannon <nos...@sonic.net>
wrote:
>I had no problem with your comparisons between Delta and Jet. However, some of
>your comments about the Jet made it sound like it belonged in the category of
>garbage, so I wanted to pipe up in Jet's defense and say that the 14" Jet band
>saw always rates above all of its common competitors, except for Delta,
>including Rigid, General, Craftsman, and Grizzly.
>
>By the way, I'd spring for the extra bucks and get the Delta. However, from
>what I've read, the differences between the Delta and the Jet probably aren't
>really worth the $250 (30% to 41%) difference between Jet and Delta 14" 1 hp
>closed base band saws for 90% of users, including me.
>
>--Wayne
>
(no stain for email)
Todd Stock
service for lower price. Many woodworkers can live with that because it
probably won't matter to most for 15 or 20 years.
As to side-by-side comparisons - I'd rather see someone's decision
informed by the actual merits and deficiencies of each tool (e.g., iron
trunnion, smaller table, etc.), than by color of paint or supposed
country of origin.
Todd
John
John
"Todd Stock" <tst...@mitre.org> wrote in message
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Todd Stock
both open stand versions (Delta or Jet) are 3/4 hp, while both closed
stand versions are 1 hp. Beyond that, both Jet motors appear to be
single capacitor, TEFC motors, while both Delta motors are dual
capacitor (CS/CR), open frame, drip proof motors.
If your workshop is dusty (as in no dust collection and clouds of the
stuff floating around), the TEFC motors are a better bet, while for
resawing, the dual capacitor motors will behave better under load. For a
light weight 14" saw, the resilent motor mount on the Delta probably
damps out some vibration, but I doubt it's a big difference.
Todd
Renata
how do you know a 2 capacitor motor is better w/out know the size of
the capacitors?
aren't capcitors important only on start up and not at all under load?
Renata
On Wed, 03 Apr 2002 11:25:43 -0500, Todd Stock <tst...@mitre.org>
wrote:
Wayne Cannon
understand that a two-capacitor motor has the better efficiency, and quieter
and smoother operation of a split-phase motor, and the higher starting torque
of a capacitor start motor -- the best of both worlds.
The
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/environment/alternative-energy/energy-resources/homepower-magazine/archives/34/34p48.txt
link has descriptions of various motor typesm, etc.
--Wayne
Renata wrote:
Elmar
shipping again so if the saw is on sale again, you can likely buy it
for under $300 shipped to your door.
Todd Stock
the duty - whether starting or run.
The start capacitor cuts out at 75% of design motor speed, while the run
capacitor acts during motor operation to optimize phase angle for
improved efficiency (read reduced current requirement and cooler running
motor).
Another thing to consider are rpm variations. My guess is that Delta
spec'd the motor to ensure both reasonable efficiency and relatively
fast return to full RPM following a near stalled condition (e.g., during
resaw).
Other than that, how's the new saw?
Todd
Renata
going out of town. Well, now I'm back and hope to get the thing
together in a couple days (depending on when I can snag a couple guys
from work to help put the riser on). THEN, I can test the beastie.
Also had a recommendation to order a few items from Iturra so I need
to dig up that posting and get that order in. Interestingly, the
Iturra catalog has a comparison of the Delta and Jet 14"rs in the
back.
Thanx for asking, though.
Renata
On Mon, 08 Apr 2002 15:15:14 -0400, Todd Stock <tst...@mitre.org>
wrote:
--snip--
Rus
vibration, and lousy curved cuts (Actually halted the motor a couple
times in 3/4 oak with the stock blade, decided to use my Ridgid scroll
saw instead) I like it.
I'm not being sarcastic, for the little bit of stuff I was doing in my
shop it worked fine. Also after putting a 1/4" blade on it, curves
were good ... BUT after 60 days of doing mantles and shelving I want
to do something more substantial. I also started reading this forum
(ouch) and a recent comparison in a woodworking magazine. To make a
long story short, the Ridgid is going back to HD. I'm still under the
90 days.
I love that policy. It's because of guys like me that guys like me
are able to buy refurbed Ridgid thickness planers for $200 ... or now
in this case a Ridgid bandsaw...if I wanted to.
Anyway ... I just finished ording my Delta 14" 28-299. It is $850
from Amazon, comes with a mobile base, dust collector, Rip Fence, $50
off another delta product (like the riser block <grin>) and a circular
cutting jig (the $95 one not the $36 one). Also I had a %10 off
anniversary coupon.
After letting the Jet 14" closed based saw sit in my virtual shopping
cart for 2 weeks I decided to go with Delta. I think I would have
been happy with either one, but after adding $99 for the Jet mobile
base, and hearing that the fence was a little dinky (although it did
come with a miter gauge). I figured that the price was getting closer.
If either of them would have come with the riser block it would have
made my decision easier.
The breakdown:
Jet: $599(w/fence & miter) + $95(mobile base) + $95(circle cutter)
= $789
Delta: $850(w/mobile base, better fence, dc's, circ cutter) -
$50(rebate) +$65(much better miter gauge)
= $865
Jet's riser block is $70 and Delta's is $90, so add another $20 to
delta.
This just worked out for me, I have a Delta drill press I just bought,
so the $50 is as good as cash. I need the mobile base (I moved the
Ridgid once and bent one of the legs) I'm not sure how much the Jet
fence is, but the Delta fence is priced for around $80 on other sites
(Amazon doesn't have it). That pretty much makes them even because
the miter gauge on my table saw will fit the band saw and it is better
than the Jet. The circle cutter I didn't really need but it is a nice
perk (although Norm made one for almost nothing, like he couldn't
afford one).
In the end the Delta will have cost me $720 with no shipping and no
tax. I like it.
I hope I've helped you, because I'm once again thoroughly
confused...hmmm...I wonder if Amazon has a 90 day return policy.
But seriously I think the Ridgid is less of a saw than the Jet or
Delta, other than the problems I mentioned above there is no mobile
base, table's smaller, no fence, no miter gauge, no circle cutter
<grin>. Start adding extras up (if you want or need them) and you'll
see what I mean.
I'll let you know how the delta works out in a few weeks.
Also I still like some of Ridgid's products. The best of the bunch I
find are the refurbed thickness planer and the jointer/planer. I also
have the scroll saw (got it cheap at a pawn shop, still with lifetime
warranty) and the TS2424 table saw (I don't care what anyone says
dagnabit, I like this saw, and I didn't spend $1800 on it, umm change
the blade though.)
Good Luck,
Rus
eju...@webtv.net (Eldon Jons) wrote in message news:<21759-3C...@storefull-2112.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
> What are the opinions on the Rigid 14" bandsaw? I am having problems
> getting a Delta through Lowe's and am about ready to go with HD. I
> thought I would "buy American".....but I would like a saw now, and
> Lowe's wouldn't even sell me the display.....Is the Rigid as good? I
> bought the Rigid oscillating belt sander and have had good luck with it.
> Thanks for any help!
>
> So long....
> ???????Eldon ;>)
>
> http://community.webtv.net/ejutah/ACPictures
Frank A.
How do you go about getting a reconditioned planer from HD?
Thanks,
Frank A.
"Rus" <wo...@orleans.net> wrote in message
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Rus
one Wednesday night at around 9pm and there were 5 boxes sitting in
front of the tool section, they hadn't been put away yet. I glanced
at them and saw the reconditioned stickers and thought they were all
12" compound miter saws, but I looked again and the one on the bottom
was a 13" thickness planer, there was no stand with it. So I called
the lady over and told her that I wanted it and asked her about the
lifetime warranty. She called someone (maybe Ridgid) and told me that
the lifetime warranty applies to the reconditioned tools also. So I
took the 12" CMS's off and grabbed the planer. I asked about 40% off
the already marked down price, because I had heard stories of people
getting the double 40% off, but I guess she knew better. Anyway, I
took it home and opened it, like I said no stand, and also no extra
set of knives. The knives that where on it looked brand new. It cut
fine with a little snipe but after pulling the turn crank off and
tightening the lock lever it went away. I'm pleased with it...and if
I'm not I have 90 days to decide.
What I would do is call all of the local HD's to see if they have any,
or ask them to make a deal on an open box or display model. If they
don't have any ask them to take your name and call you when they do.
Also they may be able to check stock at other stores and have it
shipped to that location at no extra cost.
I already talked to Ridgid customer service to see if you could buy
directly from them, nope, reconditioned tools are only sold through
HD.
Good luck,
Rus
"Frank A." <3g...@cableone.net> wrote in message news:<ucd7ofo...@corp.supernews.com>...
> Rus,
> How do you go about getting a reconditioned planer from HD?
> Thanks,
> Frank A.
> "Rus" <wo...@orleans.net> wrote in message
> >
Rod Shirley
> The Ridgid saw is nearly the twin of the Harbor Freight. HF has free
> shipping again so if the saw is on sale again, you can likely buy it
> for under $300 shipped to your door.
There is no truth at all in this comparison. There is a HF store here
in town, I shop there and have seen their contractor saw. I also
recently purchased a Rigid TS 2424. I have not used my saw enough to
offer much opinion but I am pleased with it. I only paid around $550
for it and I like the lifetime warranty. I will probably sell it
someday and buy a unisaw. Used ts are hard to find and with a good
warranty I can sell mine any time. Some people always wants to say
"BUT FOR ANOTHER $____ DOLLARS YOU COULD OF GATTA ______ SAW". The TS
2424 is worth the price.
could
J Johnson
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Rus
> Is there a 10% coupon for delta at amazon ???
>
>
Replied already to your other message.