Edgetech Disc sand for TS

[JayPique]

Has anyone used one of these? I was helping a buddy this weekend and he showed me a video of a guy using one, but I can't find much info - this is about it... https://www.wurthlac.com/storefront/abrasives/discs/8-discs/edgetech-sanding-disc/prodET2.html

This really seems like a superior way to edge sand, to me. Leave each edge say a 32nd oversize and sand it dead square and parallel. There is a similar product here...
https://woodworker.com/cgi-bin/FULLPRES.exe?PARTNUM=95-430

Thoughts? The Woodtek one is $37 and discs are $7 each - you have to set up an account to see the actual Edgetech price.

JP

[J. Clarke]

If the blade isn't making a dead square and parallel, then a sanding
disk on the same machine isn't likely to do any better.

On the other hand, if you need a disk sander and are willing to put up
with changing out the blade for a sanding disk every time you need to
sand something, this sort of setup works.

[Jay Pique]

> If the blade isn't making a dead square and parallel, then a sanding
> disk on the same machine isn't likely to do any better.

Agreed. And I think you have to tilt the blade slightly for it to work properly, so you'll need to check for square.

> On the other hand, if you need a disk sander and are willing to put up
> with changing out the blade for a sanding disk every time you need to
> sand something, this sort of setup works.

This is really only a "disc sander" in the sense that it's disc-shaped. In my mind they serve different functions. To me this is really an edge sander.

JP

[Spalted Walt]

On Sun, 6 May 2018 16:31:52 -0700 (PDT), JayPique <mwskan...@gmail.com> wrote:

https://www.woodcraft.com/products/woodriver-10-table-saw-sanding-disc-mounting-plate

http://www.acmetools.com/shop/tools/freud-cd010

[Jay Pique]

Those appear to be flat discs - for use as a disc sander. I'm interested in the ones made specifically to sand an edge - they have about a 3 degree bevel to the sanding surface, which you then square up to the table of your TS. It looks like Woodtek has one. I was wondering if the Edgetech one was better.
-JP

[Leon]

A solution for a problem with technique. With a properly set up saw and
a good blade the most you should need to clean up an edge would be to
simply make a pass or two with a scraper or lite hand sanding.

If you are taking off 1/32 you would surely wear out the sand paper
rather quickly.

[JayPique]

So you've never used one, Leon?

[Leon]

Never.

I have seen them come and go over the past 30 years. Interest renews
and they show up again.

[Leon]

On 5/7/2018 9:16 PM, JayPique wrote:

Many grits are offered, seems that you will be changing paper to get rid
of the coarse sanding marks. Start with a finer grit and you will
likely burn the wood.

[Jack]

On 5/6/2018 7:52 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Sun, 6 May 2018 16:31:52 -0700 (PDT), JayPique
> <mwskan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone used one of these? I was helping a buddy this weekend and he showed me a video of a guy using one, but I can't find much info - this is about it... https://www.wurthlac.com/storefront/abrasives/discs/8-discs/edgetech-sanding-disc/prodET2.html
>>
>> This really seems like a superior way to edge sand, to me. Leave each edge say a 32nd oversize and sand it dead square and parallel. There is a similar product here...
>> https://woodworker.com/cgi-bin/FULLPRES.exe?PARTNUM=95-430
>>
>> Thoughts? The Woodtek one is $37 and discs are $7 each - you have to set up an account to see the actual Edgetech price.
>
> If the blade isn't making a dead square and parallel, then a sanding
> disk on the same machine isn't likely to do any better.

Many years ago, before I had a disk/belt sander and before dust
collection, I made a plywood disk for the TS and attached sandpaper to
it. It worked, but the TS is the wrong tool, it turns way too fast and
created a huge amount of dust, and tended to burn the wood due to speed
of TS. You would need really good DC on the saw, both top and bottom.

My experiment led to immediate purchase of a 48" belt/disc sander combo.
The disk is one of my most used tools, and would hate changing the TS
Blade out every time is used it, even if it did work well, which it doesn't.

I never used the one mentioned here, but I don't think a disk sander is
any where near as good as a TS in getting dead square and parallel
edges. Disk sanders are good at sanding curved edges. IMO, if you
aren't getting good edges off the TS, you need to tune up the saw...

--
Jack
Experience is what you get when you were expecting something else.
http://jbstein.com

[Spalted Walt]

What is the URL of this elusive video you mentioned: "he showed me a
video of a guy using one" ?
There are several 'flat' TS sanding disc vids on YT. I didn't find
any (table saw); tapered, conical, or convex sanding disc videos.

Master box maker, Doug Stowe, uses a TS tapered disc to 'thickness'
sand small parts: https://tinyurl.com/doug-stowe-tapered-disc

...as does this luthier: http://www.moonlightluthiers.com/conesander.htm

FWIW, Shopsmith offers a 'Conical Sanding Disc' as well ;)
http://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/catalog/sn_conical_sanding.htm

[Leon]

+1

[Scott Lurndal]

OTOH, disc sanders are the bees knees for miter joints, not just curved edges.

[Leon]

I guess. While I will agree that the disk sander will form "a" good
miter, like a 45 miter, IMHO using one to do so is like using a jointer
to resurface all sides of a rough cut board. It will look good but will
you end up with the exact measurements? My TS and miter saw deliver
expected length cuts and exceptional fitting miter joints.

BUT if the disk sander had a jig or setup to guarantee exact length
results it would work better than with out.

My experience is that a tool should be equipped with a fixed reference
to insure precise results, ie. a surface planer bed, TS rip fence, TS
miter gauge fence stops.

[Scott Lurndal]

Oh, indeed. A jig/fence is required. I don't use it to form
the miter, just to clean it up a bit and maybe nudge it a bit
towards true if the stock wasn't held tight against the SCMS
fence.

[Jay Pique]

> What is the URL of this elusive video you mentioned: "he showed me a
> video of a guy using one" ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8rVyWemSsw
6 minutes in.

[Jack]

I've used it on miter joints more than once, but I don't think I'd call
it the "bees knees". If your saw is set up correctly, you generally
have no need for a disc sander to fix miter joint problems. The main
secret to TS miters is preventing the wood from sliding when cutting, so
sandpaper on the fence of your perfectly made miter saw table is a good
idea.

--
Jack
The older I get the meaner I get. I'm pretty sure soon I'll be biting
people...
http://jbstein.com

[Scott Lurndal]

Jack <jbst...@comcast.net> writes:
>On 5/9/2018 10:52 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>> On 5/8/2018 7:30 AM, Jack wrote:
>>
>>>> I never used the one mentioned here, but I don't think a disk sander is
>>>> any where near as good as a TS in getting dead square and parallel
>>>> edges. Disk sanders are good at sanding curved edges. IMO, if you
>>>> aren't getting good edges off the TS, you need to tune up the saw...
>>>>
>>> +1
>>
>> OTOH, disc sanders are the bees knees for miter joints, not just curved edges.
>
>I've used it on miter joints more than once, but I don't think I'd call
>it the "bees knees". If your saw is set up correctly, you generally
>have no need for a disc sander to fix miter joint problems. The main
>secret to TS miters is preventing the wood from sliding when cutting, so
>sandpaper on the fence of your perfectly made miter saw table is a good
>idea.

Personally, I cut a lot of miters with my H.C. Marsh miter vise (subsequently
sold by Stanley as the #100 miter machine <https://www.ebay.com/i/123109187472>)
and a backsaw. So cleaning up the cut on the disc sander works well.

"perfectly made miter saw table" sounds expensive :-). My 25yo Delta
chopsaw isn't perfect by any stretch of anyone's imagination, but works
well when building fences and doing construction (nowadays I keep an
abrasive blade in it for cutting unistrut and EMT).

[Leon]

On 5/9/2018 12:28 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>> On 5/9/2018 9:52 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>>> On 5/8/2018 7:30 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I never used the one mentioned here, but I don't think a disk sander is
>>>>> any where near as good as a TS in getting dead square and parallel

>>>>> edges. Disk sanders are good at sanding curved edges.  IMO, if you

>>>>> aren't getting good edges off the TS, you need to tune up the saw...
>>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>
>>> OTOH, disc sanders are the bees knees for miter joints, not just curved edges.
>>>
>>
>> I guess. While I will agree that the disk sander will form "a" good
>> miter, like a 45 miter, IMHO using one to do so is like using a jointer
>> to resurface all sides of a rough cut board. It will look good but will
>> you end up with the exact measurements? My TS and miter saw deliver
>> expected length cuts and exceptional fitting miter joints.
>>
>> BUT if the disk sander had a jig or setup to guarantee exact length
>> results it would work better than with out.
>>
>> My experience is that a tool should be equipped with a fixed reference
>> to insure precise results, ie. a surface planer bed, TS rip fence, TS
>> miter gauge fence stops.
>
> Oh, indeed. A jig/fence is required. I don't use it to form
> the miter, just to clean it up a bit and maybe nudge it a bit
> towards true if the stock wasn't held tight against the SCMS
> fence.
>

Got'cha! ;~) Sneaking up on a perfect fit. It will do that for sure.

[Jack]

On 5/10/2018 10:05 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Jack <jbst...@comcast.net> writes:
>> On 5/9/2018 10:52 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>>>> On 5/8/2018 7:30 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I never used the one mentioned here, but I don't think a disk sander is
>>>>> any where near as good as a TS in getting dead square and parallel
>>>>> edges. Disk sanders are good at sanding curved edges. IMO, if you
>>>>> aren't getting good edges off the TS, you need to tune up the saw...
>>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>
>>> OTOH, disc sanders are the bees knees for miter joints, not just curved edges.
>>
>> I've used it on miter joints more than once, but I don't think I'd call
>> it the "bees knees". If your saw is set up correctly, you generally
>> have no need for a disc sander to fix miter joint problems. The main
>> secret to TS miters is preventing the wood from sliding when cutting, so
>> sandpaper on the fence of your perfectly made miter saw table is a good
>> idea.
>
> Personally, I cut a lot of miters with my H.C. Marsh miter vise (subsequently
> sold by Stanley as the #100 miter machine <https://www.ebay.com/i/123109187472>)
> and a backsaw. So cleaning up the cut on the disc sander works well.

I can see that. On a TS however, generally no reason to use a disk
sander, particularly a disk sander on a TS.

>
> "perfectly made miter saw table" sounds expensive :-).

I should have put that in quotes, and included "homemade". It was meant
as a light reference to another thread about making miter tables for the
TS. They are super easy to make and about guarantee perfect miters
every time, and cost almost nothing but a small amount of time to
construct. Miter joints in my cabinet shop are not used that often. I
made the "perfectly made miter sled" when I was making lots of picture
frames, which is where 99% of my miter joints are used in my shop.

My 25yo Delta
> chopsaw isn't perfect by any stretch of anyone's imagination, but works
> well when building fences and doing construction (nowadays I keep an
> abrasive blade in it for cutting unistrut and EMT).

I don't own a chop saw. I considered buying one once when I did more
carpentry work than I do now. When I built my shed with a gambrel roof
I borrowed one which made things easier, but other than that, I just
used a plane old CS to cut up construction wood for decks, steps
porches, sheds etc.

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

[oni....@gmail.com]

Can anyone find this disc for sale on the internet? the links in this group does not sell it anymore. Thanks

[J. Clarke]

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 23:07:33 -0700 (PDT), oni....@gmail.com wrote:

>Can anyone find this disc for sale on the internet? the links in this group does not sell it anymore. Thanks

The second hit on Google is the manufacturer. Have you asked them
where to buy?

[oni....@gmail.com]

I called the woodworker.com website and they only sell the sanding pads, not the woodtek aluminum disk itself. I did find the Edge tech II, which is still being sold, but the 10" is $95 and they are located in CA. I'm going to order the edgetech II.