Bosch Router????
Bob DeBula
Richard M. Pajtas <rp...@freeway.net> wrote:
>I recently purchased a Bosch 2hp Plunge Router Model B1450.
>Then I found virtually the same thing in a catalog only it
>was Model 1613 EVSK. Concerned that I may have purchased
>an inferior model (for more money) I called Bosch Customer
>Service in Chicago. I was told that the one in the catalog
>was an industrial model, but that the only difference is
>the electrical cord. Now I'm really suspicious. Should I
>take the B1450 back? Does anyone know for sure what the
>difference is?
You've stumbled into one of the "rec.ww" twilight zone debates. There
are those who maintain the "B" series retail tools are the same as the
industrial series tools (I tend toward that camp myself) and there are
those who maintain that they are somehow inferior. There are cites by
both sides quoting Bosch sales reps which contradict each other. I have
the "B1450" series equivalent to the 1613EVS & I've always thought of &
used it the same as the 1613EVS and it doesn't seem to know the
difference. :-)
If you look at the silver tag on the back of most "B" series Bosch
tools, you'll find the "real" Bosch number usually embedded in there.
From a previous post of mine on the topic (it was in response to the
router equivalency issue):
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Well, it appears that Bosch makes different model numbers for some
(perhaps all) retail outlets. The B1450 to all appearances *is*
the 1613EVS. If you look closely on the tool in question, on almost all
the "B" series retail tools I've seen, you'll see something which
looks perhaps like a serial or part/model number on the silver tag.
On the "B1450" it has "060 1613 735".
^^^^
Apparently, for Bosch it is common practice to put this number
(they all seem to begin with "060" followed by the actual 4 digit model
number), which contains the real Bosch tool designation, on the tool.
The ones I've seen thus far follow:
Retail # Description Bosch part # Tag #
-------- -------------------------- ------------ -------------
B7000 Detail Sander B7000 N/A
B7250 5" Random Orbit Sander 3283 0 603 283 735
^ ^^^
B4600 Panther Recip. Saw 1632VSK 060 1632 835
^^^^
B1450 2 HP EVS Plunge router 1613EVS 060 1613 735
^^^^
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If it bothers you and you have the option of returning the B1450
and mailordering a 1613EVS (you may want to look for a deal which
includes the edge guide) then you may want to do that for your
peace of mind.
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Bob does the scientific stuff below....here's the "lowbrow" answer to
the same question.
Bosh and Skil had, or have (the jury is still out on which here) a
'relationship'. For years, they've used the same factories and same
specifications to make the same machines under two different stock
numbers for two separate computer invoicing/tracking systems. The
Bosch 3283 is IDENTICAL to the Bosch 7250 except that, on the one of
each I own, the cord is 2' longer on the 7250. Both made in
Switzerland. The Bosch 1613EVS and the 1450 are identical except
that, again, the cord is longer on the 1450. In Bosch's case, if it
looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, it's a
duck....regardless of the duck's stock number.
HBK
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have been the right path but his footprints are in sawdust, not printer's ink.
Facts similarly accumulated welcome whether in agreement or not.....
He doesn't claim to know it all 'cause he's not thru walking yet.
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Richard M. Pajtas
Then I found virtually the same thing in a catalog only it
was Model 1613 EVSK. Concerned that I may have purchased
an inferior model (for more money) I called Bosch Customer
Service in Chicago. I was told that the one in the catalog
was an industrial model, but that the only difference is
the electrical cord. Now I'm really suspicious. Should I
take the B1450 back? Does anyone know for sure what the
area of $200)? Thanks for any help!
Steven Erber
Hi Judge,
I have the model 1613 router you were speaking of and it is a fine
machine. I'm not familiar with the model you bought but I will list some of
the features. Micro adjustment, variable speed control and a highly accurate
fence. I use mine in a small professional woodworking shop and it has stood
up well. The 1613 can be bought for $199.00 through Woodworker Supply at
1-800-645-9292. If you have any questions about woodworking please feel free
to e-mail me. I also take part in the AOL discussion group in American
Woodworker as ZERBER 1, stop by some time and we'll chat.
Sincerely,
Steven Erber, Harbor Springs, MI
Kevin W. Tucker
>>
>> I recently purchased a Bosch 2hp Plunge Router Model B1450.
>> Then I found virtually the same thing in a catalog only it
>> was Model 1613 EVSK. Concerned that I may have purchased
>> an inferior model (for more money) I called Bosch Customer
>> Service in Chicago. I was told that the one in the catalog
>> was an industrial model, but that the only difference is
>> the electrical cord. Now I'm really suspicious. Should I
>> take the B1450 back? Does anyone know for sure what the
>> difference is? Do you recommend a different brand (in the
>> area of $200)? Thanks for any help!
Same thing happened to me over a year ago - in fact, I think I posted
something about it a while back.
I called a Bosch rep. in NC and after some wrangling, he told me that the
B1450 was the home ww model - which for all practical purposes was *identical*
save that the 1613evs had "more industrial-strength" innards (bearings etc.).
After I posted that, several people responded that they *were* in fact the
same (other than the 2' of cord) and that Bosch reps. had told them that! And
a recent thread had shown that the 1613 model number is even "embedded" on the
1450 - so go figure what S/B is doing...
Anyway, I took the 1450 back (it was a present), got my $220 and mail-ordered
a 1613evs with a free edge guard for a grand total of $200. No regrets...
Kevin
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Eric Randal Sooy
My only bone about the 1613 is that the black base is not very stable,
allowing the router to wobble a bit from side to side. Maybe "sway" is a
better word. I guess I'll put a lexan plate on the bottom. Anyone else
have this problem?
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jeanmarc
>
> I recently purchased a Bosch 2hp Plunge Router Model B1450.
> Then I found virtually the same thing in a catalog only it
> was Model 1613 EVSK. Concerned that I may have purchased
> an inferior model (for more money) I called Bosch Customer
> Service in Chicago. I was told that the one in the catalog
> was an industrial model, but that the only difference is
> the electrical cord. Now I'm really suspicious. Should I
> take the B1450 back? Does anyone know for sure what the
> difference is? Do you recommend a different brand (in the
> area of $200)? Thanks for any help!
Well I bought a 1613EVSK about six mouths ago but I do not
know the B1450. I really like the variable speed on the
163EVSK. If your's a electronic variable speed router then
your deal doesn't look to suspicious. If not, change it. The
main feature of the 1613EVSK is his starting. The only problem
I have with mine is when I change the bottom plate, one of the
tread in the castingis already stripped even if I am very
careful in the operation.
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Eric Smith
> sell in the comnsumer market, so they came up with another line of tools
> to sell in the mass merchadisers stores. The models that start with a
> letter are those tools.
>
> John Riley - Manager
I want to know it Bosch has fixed the problem with the micro adjust on these
routers not working when the unit is upside down, ie router table setup. I
have seen these routers in person and was so close to buying, but I read in
American Woodworker where the micro adjust wouldn't work upside down. Any
info on this would be appreciated. I have the D-handled Bosch 1606 and love
it, it is smooth. Will the collets between the 1606, 1613EVS, and the B1450
interchange??
Thanks for any help.
Eric Smith
Fountain, NC
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John Riley
>Richard M. Pajtas wrote:
>>
>> I recently purchased a Bosch 2hp Plunge Router Model B1450.
>> Then I found virtually the same thing in a catalog only it
>> was Model 1613 EVSK. Concerned that I may have purchased
>> an inferior model (for more money) I called Bosch Customer
>
>Well I bought a 1613EVSK about six mouths ago but I do not
>know the B1450. I really like the variable speed on the
>163EVSK. If your's a electronic variable speed router then
>your deal doesn't look to suspicious. If not, change it. The
>main feature of the 1613EVSK is his starting. The only problem
>I have with mine is when I change the bottom plate, one of the
>tread in the castingis already stripped even if I am very
>careful in the operation.
>
I am the manager of an authorized BOSCH SERVICE CENTER, and DON'T TAKE IT
BACK!! It IS the same model.
When Bosch & Skil merged, they decided that Bosch needed some tools to
sell in the comnsumer market, so they came up with another line of tools
to sell in the mass merchadisers stores. The models that start with a
letter are those tools.
John Riley - Manager
CALIFORNIA ELECTRIC SERVICE
1821 Q STREET
SACRAMENTO, CA. 95814
FAX 916-443-4092
VOICE 443-5711
AUTHORIZED SKIL/BOSCH SERVICE
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Jack A. Zucker
Sears. The tag stated that the unit was manufactured in the US. A few
weeks ago, I installed a keyless chuck and I was surprised that when I
removed the chuck, I saw (on the body underneath where the chuck goes)
"Made in Taiwan".
Could it be that the B series tools are assembled in the US but made in
Taiwan to Bosch's specs ?
-Jaz
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Janusz R. Mrozek
experience, lead me to believe that the last sentence of Chuck's response is not
true. In my opinion, the difference is only one of label, not of quality. For
example, my B6100 drill (the number is only as accurate as my memory for such
minutae) has the same part number on it as a 1001 drill. The prime purpose of the
numbering scheme, as I understand it, is to give Home Depot and the like a different
model number, so that the smaller stores are not as obviously undersold. Big
orange and big blue are thus not advertising the exact same product for a low
price. Has anyone ever demonstrated a quality difference between the B series and
the non-B series tools?
cdn...@aol.com (CDNolan) wrote:
>Jack, I asked a Bosch rep at a tool and woodworking show and this is the
>answer I got: "B" series tools are intended for the home handyman and are
>intended to be sold thru Home Depot, Etc. Number series tools are intended
>for the professional and are normally sold thru woodworking companies,
>etc. Quality level of the "B" series tools is supposed to be just a little
>better than Skil (they are the same company), quality level of the number
>series is supposed to be equal to Porter-Cable.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Chuck Nolan
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Bennett Leeds
> My only bone about the 1613 is that the black base is not very stable,
> allowing the router to wobble a bit from side to side. Maybe "sway" is a
> better word. I guess I'll put a lexan plate on the bottom. Anyone else
> have this problem?
You'll notice that the inside of the base plate has protrusions that
fit into the bottom of the metal base. Between those and tightening the
three screws that hold it in place enough, you shouldn't experience
any play.
- Bennett Leeds
ben...@mv.us.adobe.com
DavidSloan
Carlson, and I am Senior Product Manager for Bosch and Skil power tools.
The situation in the "B" designation is as follows - B prefix tools are
sold through homecenter and related channels, and numerically designated
tools (1613EVS, etc.) are sold through traditional industrial and
commercial channels. Some products exist in both lines, eg. jigsaws,
routers, etc., and in this case they are identical except for numbering,
and possibly some standard accessories or packaging that is better suited
to the particular channel. Some tools only exist as industrial (eg. large
rotary hammers) and some only in the retail or homecenter channels or
wherever the tool is best suited to be shown and sold. However, there is
no quality difference whatsoever in the construction of tools which exist
in both lines with different numbers - it is merely to satisfy the
channel's requirements.
Skil products are manufactured by the same parent company (S-B Power Tool
Company of Chicago, currently a joint venture between Bosch and Emerson
Electric Company) but are a distinct line with their own products. As of
October,1996, the two companies in the U.S., Skil and Bosch, will be
wholly owned by Bosch but the two lines will continue to manufacture their
distinct product lines for the markets they serve.
Chris Carlson
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>In article <4ergna$t...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, david...@aol.com says...
>>
>>Hi. I am signed on through David Sloans computer. My name is Chris
>>Carlson, and I am Senior Product Manager for Bosch and Skil power tools.
>> [Misc stuff removed...]
>> However, there is
>>no quality difference whatsoever in the construction of tools which exist
>>in both lines with different numbers - it is merely to satisfy the
>>channel's requirements.
>You notice Chris does not answer the real question. The question is what IS
>the difference ? Not is there any quality difference. I guess any sales person
>is going to tell you that everything he/she sells is great quality. In my
>case, I took the chuck off my Bosch B-6100 drill (labeled "Made In USA") only
>to see that there was a "Made In Taiwan" stamping on the drill (under the
>chuck). I don't particularly care, but I wonder if the non "B" tool has the
>same parts. The issue is not whether there is no difference in "Quality" which
>is highly subjective, but whether they are exactly the same. I suspect they
>are not. By the way: In my case, the "B" series tool has performed
>wonderfully.
I'll second the "performed wonderfully" on my pair of Bosch Random
orbit sanders. One is marked 3283 and the other is marked 7250 as
model numbers. Only difference I can find is that the 7250 has a cord
18" longer than the original 3283. Both are stamped "Made in
Switzerland". The 3283 is going on 4 years old. The 7250 was
purchased in December '95. Can't get enough of a good thing,
especially when it's on sale (grin).
HBK
Jack A. Zucker
>
>Hi. I am signed on through David Sloans computer. My name is Chris
>Carlson, and I am Senior Product Manager for Bosch and Skil power tools.
> [Misc stuff removed...]
> However, there is
>no quality difference whatsoever in the construction of tools which exist
>in both lines with different numbers - it is merely to satisfy the
>channel's requirements.
You notice Chris does not answer the real question. The question is what IS
the difference ? Not is there any quality difference. I guess any sales person
is going to tell you that everything he/she sells is great quality. In my
case, I took the chuck off my Bosch B-6100 drill (labeled "Made In USA") only
to see that there was a "Made In Taiwan" stamping on the drill (under the
chuck). I don't particularly care, but I wonder if the non "B" tool has the
same parts. The issue is not whether there is no difference in "Quality" which
is highly subjective, but whether they are exactly the same. I suspect they
are not. By the way: In my case, the "B" series tool has performed
wonderfully.
-Jaz
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>Hi. I am signed on through David Sloans computer. My name is Chris
>Carlson, and I am Senior Product Manager for Bosch and Skil power tools.
>sold through homecenter and related channels, and numerically designated
>tools (1613EVS, etc.) are sold through traditional industrial and
>commercial channels. Some products exist in both lines, eg. jigsaws,
>routers, etc., and in this case they are identical except for numbering,
>and possibly some standard accessories or packaging that is better suited
>to the particular channel. Some tools only exist as industrial (eg. large
>rotary hammers) and some only in the retail or homecenter channels or
>no quality difference whatsoever in the construction of tools which exist
>in both lines with different numbers - it is merely to satisfy the
>channel's requirements.
>Company of Chicago, currently a joint venture between Bosch and Emerson
>Electric Company) but are a distinct line with their own products. As of
>October,1996, the two companies in the U.S., Skil and Bosch, will be
>wholly owned by Bosch but the two lines will continue to manufacture their
>distinct product lines for the markets they serve.
>Chris Carlson
Now THIS is the kind of information that is useful. I've been listening to
a lot of "opinions" on this but this really puts it to bed.
Thanks Chris.
KKepf
INCLUDED? Or do I get a Porter Cable? Woodworker's Supply had an ad for
an adaptor for template routing but says it cannot do sharp square
corners. However, I saw Norm cut out butterfly wedges that were squared.
Also Woodcraft Supply sells the Porter Cable template bushings and THEIR
illustration shows squared butterfly wedges. What gives? Anybody else
have input?
All these are the new 3 1/2 HP micro adjust. Seems my movers
"confiscated" my Bosch Router when I moved in July. That's some 'how do
you do'..Doggone it and I had the plastic case and bushings etc. Used it
just a few times. All movers aren't thieves but they rank with
auctioneers.<g>
thanks.
Please e-mail me.
Stavros Macrakis
You notice Chris does not answer the real question. The question is what IS
the difference ? Not is there any quality difference.
Chris was quite clear. He said:
Some products exist in both lines, eg. jigsaws, routers, etc., and
in this case they are identical except for numbering, and possibly
some standard accessories or packaging...
I don't know why you omitted this from your quotation.
-s
Jim Nelson
great jigsaw ( runs like a sewing machine, cuts like a chain saw ) for
ten plus years, and a Bosch grinder and 4" belt sander for less than
that. I'd have some of their drills, which I've wanted ever since I
read the J. Baldwin review years ago in a "Whole Earth Catalog" special
tools issue called "SoftTech". Well, J. Baldwin is still around; his
workshop on wheels is featured in Taunton Press' "The Workshop Book",
but I became addicted to corded Milwaukee drills, which, like the
Bosch tools, just go and go.
Ten Knots
I notice in my market area there are special markdowns on 9.6 volt
cordless drills, both Bosch and other competitive brands. With the
success of the 14 volt drills, are the 9.6 slated for extinction, and if
so how long will batteries etc. be available for same. I am in the market
for a new drill, but don't want to purchase a "short timer" even though
the 9.6 is adequate for my home shop needs. Thanks.