Powdered Pumice, rottenstone & Plumber's Rouge?
Digger
ol' days of great books and hand finishes (careful now!).<g>
30+ years ago, I used pumice slurry and a polishing compound commonly
called plumber's rouge on select furniture and cabinet finishes. Got
away from woodworking for these many years and just now beginning to
play again.
So, what happened to plumber's rouge and powdered pumice/ rottenstone?
Can't seem to find any of these products anymore. In fact, local Ace
hardware and True Value stores claim that these products are no longer
even available for special order.
What are folks using for polishing compounds these days ...not looking
for hard to find select brands, just something I can purchase locally in
small quantities. Ideally, Would greatly appreciate recommendations for
equivalent substitutes of all three above.
Thanks all,
--
Digger
Bob O'Dell
"<<<__ Bøb __>>>"
somewhere !!! I have, however switched over to using automotive
rubbing/finishing/polishing compounds ... they come in paste or
semi-liquid form, and are just easier to obtain & use. Some of the 3M
Finesse-It products are pretty pricey, but they work great.
Brian
Still available at Lee Valley, of course.
http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=20058&cat=1,190,43040
http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=20059&cat=1,190,43040
brian
Stillwater Lake, NS
Larry Jaques
Also available is Waterlox in the SATIN finish, which requires no
buffing. Niiiiiiiiiiice! ;)
--
Life is full of obstacle illusions.
-- Grant Frazier
John Grossbohlin
"Digger" <bob_...@whocares.com> wrote in message
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My local True Value Hardware stocks them as does the Ace Hardware about 10
miles away.... Me thinks someone at the stores isn't looking hard enough for
you. ;~)
John
Larry W
If you must have pumice and/or rottenstone, they are both available from
Amazon and other vendors.
--
There is always an easy solution to every human problem -- neat,
plausible, and wrong." (H L Mencken)
Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org
J. Clarke
bob_...@whocares.com says...
Woodcraft has them, however any decent automotive paint store will have
products from 3M, duPont, or Meguiars that work as well or better and
are more convenient.
Lew Hodgett
Possibly a character from:
Can You Top This?
Fibber Magee & Molly?
The Great Gildersleeve?
All old radio shows.
Lew
Lew Hodgett
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Father Haskell
4F pumice is essential for the initial grain filling stage of
French polishing. Rottenstone is used as an optional
final rub to raise a high gloss. If the local paint store
doesn't stock them, try Woodcraft, or any of the online
luthier's suppliers, such as Stewmac. A 1 lb box should
last you for years.
Plumber's rouge sounds like a compound used to
clean copper pipe fittings before sweating. Would
tripoli be the same thing?
Diatomaceous earth (dead plankton shells) is supposed
to work as an ultrafine compound. Never tried it, but
you can buy 5 lb bags of Safer (tm) brand, sold as
an organic nonchemical insecticide. It doesn't
work as a polish, feed it to the roaches.
Lew Hodgett
> As In "Digger O'Dell, the friendly undertaker"
---------------------------------
Google is your friend.
Try "Life with Riley" with Bill Bendix as Riley on the radio, later
TV.
Lew
Digger
undertaker, and the original show was "The Life of Reily" featuring
William Bendix. And with that, I will be shoveling along...<g>
Digger
> On Mar 8, 11:21 am, Digger <bob_od...@whocares.com> wrote:
>> A question for olhzimers...please try very hard to remember those good
>> ol' days of great books and hand finishes (careful now!).<g>
>>
>> So, what happened to plumber's rouge and powdered pumice/ rottenstone?
>> Can't seem to find any of these products anymore. In fact, local Ace
>> hardware and True Value stores claim that these products are no longer
>> even available for special order.
>>
>> What are folks using for polishing compounds these days ...not looking
>> for hard to find select brands, just something I can purchase locally in
>> small quantities. Ideally, Would greatly appreciate recommendations for
>> equivalent substitutes of all three above.
>>
<snip>
>
> 4F pumice is essential for the initial grain filling stage of
> French polishing. Rottenstone is used as an optional
> final rub to raise a high gloss. If the local paint store
> doesn't stock them, try Woodcraft, or any of the online
> luthier's suppliers, such as Stewmac. A 1 lb box should
> last you for years.
>
Yep, but cannot find locally anymore and was hoping not to have to
special order online. Don't like doing financials online - for anything.
Thought perhaps their might exist a more commonly available substitute.
> Plumber's rouge sounds like a compound used to
> clean copper pipe fittings before sweating. Would
> tripoli be the same thing?
Could be, though seems to me it was indeed known simply as a Plumber's
rouge and often the final process in the application of hand rubbed
finishes ...not the same as a French polish, but same goal with quite a
bit less work.
If memory serves correctly, also used similar methods to remove
scratches on plexiglass desktop covers when these were fashionable.
I believe plumbers used the compound to clean & polish porcelain/ baked
enamel, and chrome fixtures after repair or installation. Doubt you
would find a plumber today with that sort of ethic or pride, but, maybe
so...
I will ask around about Tripoli and see what I can find.
>
> Diatomaceous earth (dead plankton shells) is supposed
> to work as an ultrafine compound. Never tried it, but
> you can buy 5 lb bags of Safer (tm) brand, sold as
> an organic nonchemical insecticide. It doesn't
> work as a polish, feed it to the roaches.
Excellent suggestion! Sounds reasonable and worth further pursuit.
Thanks,
Digger
>>> >> So, what happened to plumber's rouge and powdered pumice/ rottenstone?
>>> >> Can't seem to find any of these products anymore. In fact, local Ace
>>> >> hardware and True Value stores claim that these products are no longer
>>> >> even available for special order.
>>> >>
>>> >> What are folks using for polishing compounds these days ...not looking
>>> >> for hard to find select brands, just something I can purchase locally in
>>> >> small quantities. Ideally, Would greatly appreciate recommendations for
>>> >> equivalent substitutes of all three above.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks all,
>>> >>
>> >
>> >Still available at Lee Valley, of course.
>> >
>> >http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=20058&cat=1,190,43040
>> >
>> >http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=20059&cat=1,190,43040
> Also available is Waterlox in the SATIN finish, which requires no
> buffing. Niiiiiiiiiiice! ;)
Thanks Larry,
Yep, I was aware I could order online, but really hoped I could find
something suitable that was locally available. Even our local Sherwin
Williams & the nearest Lowes/ Home Depot (40 miles) no longer carry
these items.
Didn't know about Waterlox, something new to me, but do appreciate the
heads up and will definitely investigate further.
Thanks again...
Digger
>> > What are folks using for polishing compounds these days ...not looking
>> > for hard to find select brands, just something I can purchase locally in
>> > small quantities. Ideally, Would greatly appreciate recommendations for
>> > equivalent substitutes of all three above.
> My local True Value Hardware stocks them as does the Ace Hardware about 10
> miles away.... Me thinks someone at the stores isn't looking hard enough for
> you. ;~)
>
Could be you are right John, but neither one here, in North Central FL,
claims any knowledge nor is willing to order. Local paint dealer is
Sherwin Williams and has never heard of pumice, nor painter's pyramids,
nor paraffin, nor much of anything else useful. Nearest home centers are
40 miles away and neither stocks any of the above. Oh, but they do at
least know of painter's pyramids.<g>
Digger
>> >So, what happened to plumber's rouge and powdered pumice/ rottenstone?
>> >Can't seem to find any of these products anymore. In fact, local Ace
>> >hardware and True Value stores claim that these products are no longer
>> >even available for special order.
>> >
>> >What are folks using for polishing compounds these days ...not looking
>> >for hard to find select brands, just something I can purchase locally in
>> >small quantities. Ideally, Would greatly appreciate recommendations for
>> >equivalent substitutes of all three above.
>> >
> If you must have pumice and/or rottenstone, they are both available from
> Amazon and other vendors.
Yep, operative word is "online." A dreadful process and anything but
convenient. Was sorta hoping for a more permanently localized solution,
but, as you indicate, may not have much choice...
Thanks,
Digger
>> > So, what happened to plumber's rouge and powdered pumice/ rottenstone?
>> > Can't seem to find any of these products anymore. In fact, local Ace
>> > hardware and True Value stores claim that these products are no longer
>> > even available for special order.
>> >
>> > What are folks using for polishing compounds these days ...not looking
>> > for hard to find select brands, just something I can purchase locally in
>> > small quantities. Ideally, Would greatly appreciate recommendations for
>> > equivalent substitutes of all three above.
>> >
> Woodcraft has them, however any decent automotive paint store will have
> products from 3M, duPont, or Meguiars that work as well or better and
> are more convenient.
>
Would you be able to expand a little on the auto-paint and perhaps, in
terms of course=pumice/ medium=rottenstone/ fine=rouge, point me in a
comparative direction? When it comes to automotive finishes, I have
absolutely no clue ...isn't that the purpose of having car insurance?<g>
Thanks,
Digger
Digger
Digger
Now you have it...<g>
J. Clarke
bob_...@whocares.com says...
I've had good results using Meguiars Speed Glaze followed by Show Car
Glaze.
For best results with them use the appropriate foam pads on a random
orbit sander. Meguiars has "cutting pads", "polishing pads", and
"finishing pads". They're Velcro backed and hook right onto a 5" ROS--
they're a bit oversized for it but that doesn't seem to make any
difference.
The pads themselves have polishing action, from coarse to fine in the
order I listed--I've never needed a cutting pad on a woodworking
project, a polishing pad with Speed Glaze followed by a finishing pad
with Show Car Glaze gets things up to a high gloss right quick. If you
want less gloss stop at the Speed Glaze.
You can also apply by hand but you're going to need a lot of elbow
grease--the abrasives are designed to break down during the polishing
process so that you start out with a relatively coarse abrasive that
during the process of polishing becomes a much finer one, and the energy
to break it down comes from your efforts. The specific items I listed
above are intended to be usable by hand--some of the others from the
same company you'll be working on forever trying to get a decent hand-
polish.
These work well with lacquer and polyurethane, I've never tried them
with shellac (at least not yet). You want to have a fair bit of coating
thickness though--they can go right through if it's too thin.
Larry Jaques
wrote:
Just so you know, that's not a gloss finish like you were after. I was
joking, referring you to a satin finish. It is, though, my favorite
finish out of all I've ever tried. I prefer a hand-rubbed finish and
this accomplishes that smoothly, easily, and very nicely.
>Thanks again...
Jewelcome.
dadiOH
Sears used to carry pumice and rottenstone, no longer do, in central Florida
at least. I doubt you'll find either locally, I wound up getting it online
but not at woodworking places, they rob us. Grizzly has them, rouge too
both in paste and wax stick. I'd just use auto rubbing compound (rouge =
red oxide).
If you order online, this place filled my order expeditiously and
inexpensively.
http://www.lemelange.com/pumice_powder.htm
If you need a lot you can get it here for $0.40/pound. Even cheaper if you
get 90# :)
http://store.galladechem.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=gallade&StoreType=BtoC&Count1=213558375&Count2=130698800&ProductID=18554&Target=products.asp
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Digger
> On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 00:02:55 -0500, Digger <bob_...@whocares.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/8/2011 5:11 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>>>>> So, what happened to plumber's rouge and powdered pumice/ rottenstone?
>>>>>>> Can't seem to find any of these products anymore. In fact, local Ace
>>>>>>> hardware and True Value stores claim that these products are no longer
>>>>>>> even available for special order.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What are folks using for polishing compounds these days ...not looking
>>>>>>> for hard to find select brands, just something I can purchase locally in
>>>>>>> small quantities. Ideally, Would greatly appreciate recommendations for
>>>>>>> equivalent substitutes of all three above.
>>>>>>>
<snip>
>>> Also available is Waterlox in the SATIN finish, which requires no
>>> buffing. Niiiiiiiiiiice! ;)
>>
>> Didn't know about Waterlox, something new to me, but do appreciate the
>> heads up and will definitely investigate further.
>
> Just so you know, that's not a gloss finish like you were after. I was
> joking, referring you to a satin finish. It is, though, my favorite
> finish out of all I've ever tried. I prefer a hand-rubbed finish and
> this accomplishes that smoothly, easily, and very nicely.
>
Understood what you meant, but after reading the literature I was
immediately intrigued. My curiosity will win out in the end and will
likely give it a go. Thanks once again for the pointer...
Digger
> Digger wrote:
>>
>> What are folks using for polishing compounds these days ...not looking
>> for hard to find select brands, just something I can purchase locally
>> in small quantities. Ideally, Would greatly appreciate
>> recommendations for equivalent substitutes of all three above.
>>
> Sears used to carry pumice and rottenstone, no longer do, in central Florida
> at least. I doubt you'll find either locally, I wound up getting it online
> but not at woodworking places, they rob us. Grizzly has them, rouge too
> both in paste and wax stick. I'd just use auto rubbing compound (rouge =
> red oxide).
Never thought of Grizzly, should have but didn't. Good lead though
apparently Grizzly must have very well ventilated toilet stalls, judging
from the prices they charge ...really proud of their uhhmmm!
>
> If you order online, this place filled my order expeditiously and
> inexpensively.
> http://www.lemelange.com/pumice_powder.htm
>
Lemelange looks good also, as several from this neighborhood routinely
travel to Ft. Lauderdale/ Delray areas anyway.
> If you need a lot you can get it here for $0.40/pound. Even cheaper if you
> get 90# :)
> http://store.galladechem.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=gallade&StoreType=BtoC&Count1=213558375&Count2=130698800&ProductID=18554&Target=products.asp
>
Good for industrial purposes but trust me, I will not live long enough
to use those quantities.<g>
Thanks dadiOH, solid info and do appreciate your input. Several others
have also mentioned automotive compounds and I will likely build up a
few sample boards from scrap and see what happens -- inexpensive and
widely available.
Hmmmm...let's see now, wonder what would happen if I tried to fill pores
with some of this stuff?<g>
RonB
Might try a drugstore for pumice. Some folks use it for dental care.
I, too, still have a box of pumice powder in the shop but I haven't
used it in years. Last use I can remember was buffing the finish on
an old rocking chair I refinished and it did a good job. No machines
-- just a hand pad of wadded rags and a few drops of water after the
varnish has set a few days.
I have used rouge on some metal and gem stone polishing projects and
used the Dremel with polishing pad. I believe you can get jeweler's
rouge, in small amounts, from Dremel. Otherwise try a hardware or
jewelry store. I would start with Ace, because they are the PLACE.
At least in rural SE Kansas, they are pretty well stocked.
RonB
dadiOH
> Hmmmm...let's see now, wonder what would happen if I tried to fill
> pores with some of this stuff?<g>
FFFF pumice and a binder.
Digger
> Digger wrote:
>
>> Hmmmm...let's see now, wonder what would happen if I tried to fill
>> pores with some of this stuff?<g>
>
> FFFF pumice and a binder.
>
Yep. Just wondering out loud, mostly in jest. One reply (Father Haskell)
however did suggest Diatomaceous earth (food grade) as a possible sub
for 4F. Local hardware store carries it and perhaps I should experiment.
DE is calcium based and pumice is silica, so not quite sure what effects
will result from stains, Poly, lacquer, shellac, Varnish, or grit on
grit finish sanding/ scraping. Will it color differently as seashells do
when oiled? Will it react badly with clear finishes? Will it even work
as fill? ...?
Never read anything on this sort of an application for DE, so unless
someone can save me the trouble I'll just have to give it a shot myself.
Anyhow, sounded like a good idea and worthy of serious consideration.
Thanks,
chaniarts
the calcium is a lot softer than silica. if it works, it won't work as well.
Digger
> On Mar 8, 10:21 am, Digger <bob_od...@whocares.com> wrote:
>>
>> So, what happened to plumber's rouge and powdered pumice/ rottenstone?
>> Can't seem to find any of these products anymore. In fact, local Ace
>> hardware and True Value stores claim that these products are no longer
>> even available for special order.
>>
>> What are folks using for polishing compounds these days ...not looking
>> for hard to find select brands, just something I can purchase locally in
>> small quantities. Ideally, Would greatly appreciate recommendations for
>> equivalent substitutes of all three above.
>>
>> Thanks all,
>>
>> --
>> Digger
>> Bob O'Dell
>
> Might try a drugstore for pumice. Some folks use it for dental care.
> I, too, still have a box of pumice powder in the shop but I haven't
> used it in years. Last use I can remember was buffing the finish on
> an old rocking chair I refinished and it did a good job. No machines
> -- just a hand pad of wadded rags and a few drops of water after the
> varnish has set a few days.
>
I can find pumice stone, but not the 4F (FFFF - ultra fine) powdered
pumice I am looking for. Didn't think of a drugstore as possible source
so will look around this evening.
> I have used rouge on some metal and gem stone polishing projects and
> used the Dremel with polishing pad. I believe you can get jeweler's
> rouge, in small amounts, from Dremel. Otherwise try a hardware or
> jewelry store. I would start with Ace, because they are the PLACE.
> At least in rural SE Kansas, they are pretty well stocked.
Jeweler's rouge does indeed come in very small quantities and not
exactly cheap either; Tripoli, for example, can run as high as $30.00 a
stick + shipping.
After talking with the local auto-body repair shop this morning, I
believe an automotive style compound may offer considerable advantage in
a wet look finish. At least worth investigation.
Local ACE store here is privately owned and not very well stocked. Also
not doing as well as the True Value on opposite corner. Neither store
offers very much support to woodworking community. However, if you want
an accessory for a $6,000 riding mower or $400.00 leaf blower, well now,
that is a horse they are both familiar with.<g>
Thanks Ron, for the ideas and additional input...
>
> RonB
Digger
Probably right, in fact more than probable! But, it just sounds so
plausible that I will likely waste a couple hours in the shop tomorrow
reaching your conclusion.<g>
Thanks for the reminder as it is always helpful...
Digger
>>
>> So, what happened to plumber's rouge and powdered pumice/ rottenstone?
>> Can't seem to find any of these products anymore. In fact, local Ace
>> hardware and True Value stores claim that these products are no longer
>> even available for special order.
>>
>> What are folks using for polishing compounds these days ...not looking
>> for hard to find select brands, just something I can purchase locally in
>> small quantities. Ideally, Would greatly appreciate recommendations for
>> equivalent substitutes of all three above.
>>
>> Thanks all,
>>
>> --
>> Digger
>> Bob O'Dell
>
> Might try a drugstore for pumice. Some folks use it for dental care.
> I, too, still have a box of pumice powder in the shop but I haven't
> used it in years. Last use I can remember was buffing the finish on
> an old rocking chair I refinished and it did a good job. No machines
> -- just a hand pad of wadded rags and a few drops of water after the
> varnish has set a few days.
>
I can find pumice stone, but not the 4F (FFFF - ultra fine) powdered
pumice I am looking for. Didn't think of a drugstore as possible source
so will look around this evening.
> I have used rouge on some metal and gem stone polishing projects and
> used the Dremel with polishing pad. I believe you can get jeweler's
> rouge, in small amounts, from Dremel. Otherwise try a hardware or
> jewelry store. I would start with Ace, because they are the PLACE.
> At least in rural SE Kansas, they are pretty well stocked.
Jeweler's rouge does indeed come in very small quantities and not
exactly cheap either; Tripoli, for example, can run as high as $30.00 a
stick + shipping.
After talking with the local auto-body repair shop this morning, I
believe an automotive style compound may offer considerable advantage in
a wet look finish. At least worth investigation.
Local ACE store here is privately owned and not very well stocked. Also
not doing as well as the True Value on opposite corner. Neither store
offers very much support to woodworking community. However, if you want
an accessory for a $6,000 riding mower or $400.00 leaf blower, well now,
that is a horse they are both familiar with.<g>
Thanks Ron, for the ideas and additional input...
>
> RonB
Father Haskell
> Digger wrote:
> > Hmmmm...let's see now, wonder what would happen if I tried to fill
> > pores with some of this stuff?<g>
>
> FFFF pumice and a binder.
A couple of spit coats of 2 lb shellac, followed by a quick
rubbing with an alcohol-dampened muneca dipped in
FFFF is standard technique. Rub too long, and you'll
pull any dried shellac/pumice slurry from the pores,
making work and pissing yourself off in the process.
Repeat as needed if you're not sufficiently pissed off.
Father Haskell
> On 3/9/2011 11:42 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>
> > Digger wrote:
>
> >> Hmmmm...let's see now, wonder what would happen if I tried to fill
> >> pores with some of this stuff?<g>
>
> > FFFF pumice and a binder.
>
> Yep. Just wondering out loud, mostly in jest. One reply (Father Haskell)
> however did suggest Diatomaceous earth (food grade) as a possible sub
> for 4F. Local hardware store carries it and perhaps I should experiment.
> DE is calcium based and pumice is silica,
DE _is_ silica -- that's how it kills bugs, by abrading the
wax from their exoskeletons, which dehydrates them. It's
hardly food grade, though it's harmless to furry household
creatures.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diatomaceous_earth
For French polishing, the only substitute for FFFF pumice
is FFFF pumice. For an after-cure rub, take your pick of
fine abrasives.
Father Haskell
> Might try a drugstore for pumice. Some folks use it for dental care.
Toothpaste or baking soda would be candidates.
Digger
So far, haven't gotten my hands on any pumice ...still lookin'. Jist fer
funsies, thought I'd waste a couple hours tomorrow experimenting and see
what happens with diatomacious earth (DE) as a substitute. Prospects
aren't good, but, curiosity et al...
Thanks,
Digger
I stand corrected, as I was mistakenly under the impression diatoms
consisted of typical seashell substrates rather than silica. Glad you
caught me on it.
And I'm also sure you are correct regarding french polishing, not what I
am attempting to do at all.
Since I often do a cut shellac wash anyway, I was thinking I could
possibly use DE to fill pores and, as final rub on hardened finishes.
Simply thought it worth investigation, nothing more. I'm curious by
nature and have lots of free time.
I have not given up on pumice, but have also used it in woodworking and
plastic applications far removed from French polishing ...not something
I want to do every day.
Thanks for the correction,
Rich
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Digger
Completely forgot about baking soda, been way too many years passed.
Really rusty so I find these reminders extremely helpful.
Thanks again,
BTW, no chance you live nearby in North Central Fl? You're certainly
welcome to come over and help me recover all that knowledge lost.<g>
Now let's see, where did I store that thing with the long thin blade
that goes around in circles? ...oh yeah, I remember now, it was called a
bandsaw.
Digger
Mentioned elsewhere also ...completely forgot that certainly could be
used, but would take some practice to ascertain best methods and type.
I've never tried it so, something more for the sample boards tomorrow.
Thanks Rich,
Robert Bonomi
>>
>> Possibly a character from:
>>
>> Can You Top This?
>> Fibber Magee & Molly?
>> The Great Gildersleeve?
>>
>> All old radio shows.
>>
>> Lew
>>
>>
>undertaker, and the original show was "The Life of Reily" featuring
>William Bendix. And with that, I will be shoveling along...<g>
You mean you weren't just troweling the newsgroup? <grin>
Digger
Larry Jaques
wrote:
>On 3/9/2011 11:42 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>> Digger wrote:
>>
>>> Hmmmm...let's see now, wonder what would happen if I tried to fill
>>> pores with some of this stuff?<g>
>>
>> FFFF pumice and a binder.
>>
>
>Yep. Just wondering out loud, mostly in jest. One reply (Father Haskell)
>however did suggest Diatomaceous earth (food grade) as a possible sub
If that's the really fine stuff, be sure to wear a respirator when
working around it and sweeping up afterward. Dat stuff'll kill ya as
quickly as silica.
Lew Hodgett
"Larry Jaques" wrote:
>>..... did suggest Diatomaceous earth (food grade) as a possible sub
>
------------------------------------
> If that's the really fine stuff, be sure to wear a respirator when
> working around it and sweeping up afterward. Dat stuff'll kill ya as
> quickly as silica.
--------------------------------
DE is super fine and yes it will kill you.
Lew
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz
>On 3/8/2011 6:20 PM, Larry W wrote:
>>> >So, what happened to plumber's rouge and powdered pumice/ rottenstone?
>>> >Can't seem to find any of these products anymore. In fact, local Ace
>>> >hardware and True Value stores claim that these products are no longer
>>> >even available for special order.
>>> >
>>> >What are folks using for polishing compounds these days ...not looking
>>> >for hard to find select brands, just something I can purchase locally in
>>> >small quantities. Ideally, Would greatly appreciate recommendations for
>>> >equivalent substitutes of all three above.
>>> >
>
>> If you must have pumice and/or rottenstone, they are both available from
>> Amazon and other vendors.
>
>Yep, operative word is "online." A dreadful process and anything but
>convenient. Was sorta hoping for a more permanently localized solution,
>but, as you indicate, may not have much choice...
Dreadful process? If it weren't for e-tailers, I'd only have a couple of
trips a year to the toy store.
Larry Jaques
The type we used to use in our pool filter was the fine stuff, and
I've seen the coarser granules of garden DE, which aren't as deadly.
Garden DE is used on carpets to kill fleas. I hear it dices up their
bods and dessicates them nicely.
Lobby Dosser
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> "Digger O'Dell" ?
>
> Possibly a character from:
>
> Can You Top This?
> Fibber Magee & Molly?
> The Great Gildersleeve?
>
> All old radio shows.
>
> Lew
>
>
Who knows what evil lives in the hearts of men?
--
Ever wonder why doctors, dentists and lawyers have to Practice so much? Ever
wonder why you let them Practice on You?
Lew Hodgett
"Lobby Dosser" wrote:
> Who knows what evil lives in the hearts of men?
------------------------------
Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?
The Shadow (Lamont Cranston) knows.
(Fading laughter in the background)
Lew
Lew Hodgett
"Larry Jaques" wrote:
> The type we used to use in our pool filter was the fine stuff, and
> I've seen the coarser granules of garden DE, which aren't as deadly.
> Garden DE is used on carpets to kill fleas. I hear it dices up
> their
> bods and dessicates them nicely.
-----------------------------
One of my customers located between Los Angeles and Santa Barbara
mines the stuff here in SoCal, which is one of the few places DE
exists in the USA.
Lew
Digger
Here is a condensed version of my own cursory research...
Diatomaceous earth is mined, milled, and processed into a myriad of
types for a large variety of uses. Filtering and filler are two main
uses but diatomaceous earth also ends up in paints, cosmetics, drugs,
chemical insecticides, etc. Because the milling produces different sized
and shaped particles, it is important not to use the filtering type for
agricultural purposes.
Pool filter grade diatomaceous earth has been heat and chemically
treated and will poison an animal or human who ingests it, so it is
always of utmost importance to only obtain food grade diatomaceous earth
to use in and around your household.
Diatoms (DE) are the grass of the oceans and lakes. Just as grass is the
staple food of earth animals. Diatoms (algae) are the food of the ocean
or fresh water grazers. Magnified 7000x, diatomaceous earth looks like
spiney honeycombs.
Food grade diatomaceous earth is EPA approved to be mixed with grains to
control mealworms and other pests and has been exempted from tolerance
requirements as an inert, inactive ingredient in chemical pesticides.
Diatomaceous earth is EPA approved against indoor and outdoor crawling
insects. Diatomaceous earth is USDA approved as an anti-caking agent for
animal feed. Diatomaceous earth is FDA approved for internal and
external use and has a rating of Food Chemical Codex Grade.
OMRI listed Codex Food Chemical Grade is organic. It is a non-treated,
non-calcined fresh water Diatomaceous Earth. It is mined, crushed,
sifted, bagged and pure white in color. It contains less than .5%
silicon. There are food grade diatomaceous earth products that are
yellow or tan in color which indicates a higher iron content. Those
which are gray in color contain more clay.
dadiOH
> On 3/9/2011 11:42 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>> Digger wrote:
>>
>>> Hmmmm...let's see now, wonder what would happen if I tried to fill
>>> pores with some of this stuff?<g>
>>
>> FFFF pumice and a binder.
>>
>
> Yep. Just wondering out loud, mostly in jest. One reply (Father
> Haskell) however did suggest Diatomaceous earth (food grade) as a
> possible sub for 4F. Local hardware store carries it and perhaps I
> should experiment. DE is calcium based and pumice is silica,
The shells of diatoms are silica as well. At least, they were when I was
majoring in geology in the 50s.
OTOH, they pooh-poohed continental drift back then so who knows?
FFFF pumice is in the 10-20 micron range. DE 10-200 but can be smaller or
much larger.
> so not
> quite sure what effects will result from stains, Poly, lacquer,
> shellac, Varnish, or grit on grit finish sanding/ scraping. Will it
> color differently as seashells do when oiled? Will it react badly
> with clear finishes? Will it even work as fill? ...?
Well, silica doesn't suck up stuff so should be clear. Powdered calcium
carbonate (whiting) sucks like a sponge.
Digger
> Digger wrote:
>> On 3/9/2011 11:42 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>>> Digger wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hmmmm...let's see now, wonder what would happen if I tried to fill
>>>> pores with some of this stuff?<g>
>>>
>>> FFFF pumice and a binder.
>>>
>>
>> Yep. Just wondering out loud, mostly in jest. One reply (Father
>> Haskell) however did suggest Diatomaceous earth (food grade) as a
>> possible sub for 4F. Local hardware store carries it and perhaps I
>> should experiment. DE is calcium based and pumice is silica,
>
> The shells of diatoms are silica as well. At least, they were when I was
> majoring in geology in the 50s.
> OTOH, they pooh-poohed continental drift back then so who knows?
>
Yep, someone else already corrected me on that and rightly so.
> FFFF pumice is in the 10-20 micron range. DE 10-200 but can be smaller or
> much larger.
>
>> so not
>> quite sure what effects will result from stains, Poly, lacquer,
>> shellac, Varnish, or grit on grit finish sanding/ scraping. Will it
>> color differently as seashells do when oiled? Will it react badly
>> with clear finishes? Will it even work as fill? ...?
>
> Well, silica doesn't suck up stuff so should be clear. Powdered calcium
> carbonate (whiting) sucks like a sponge.
>
Agreed however, food grade DE is less than .5% silica (according to what
I'm now learning), but also non-calcined. So the remaining 95% is my
concern. If clay, it definitely will not work as fill.
Larry Jaques
wrote:
>"Lew Hodgett" <sails...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:4d76cc66$0$9402$c3e8da3$1cbc...@news.astraweb.com...
>> "Digger O'Dell" ?
>>
>> Possibly a character from:
>>
>> Can You Top This?
>> Fibber Magee & Molly?
>> The Great Gildersleeve?
>>
>> All old radio shows.
>>
>
>Who knows what evil lives in the hearts of men?
<thump thump, thump thump> and the chicken heart is _at_your_door_...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vPimtcK3-A
Father Haskell
wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:45:51 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
>
It's safe enough that it can be fed to animals as a
vermicide.
Father Haskell
Interested in seeing your results. Shellac and pumice
is the fastest and best grain filler I've used (as well as the
cheapest, with Pore-O-Pac selling for $25 / pint). If there's
anything cheaper and faster, I'd like to know.
Digger
Temperatures here have fallen drastically this afternoon, slightly above
freezing overnight. Sigh ...may be delayed for another day or so, but
will let you know. Also interested in playing with paraffin oil and see
what I can learn from that process as well.