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Jack A. Zucker

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Jan 14, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/14/96
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Those of you claiming that Delta is the ultimate in quality, read on:

Well, I bought the Delta 14" bandsaw on Saturday. As usual, parts were
missing. Most irritating were 2 missing carriage bolts (used to mount
the motor) Unfortunately, I had no carriage and was forced to use
standard machine bolts instead. This was painful because there is not
much room to get two wrenches into the cabinet but I finally got it
together.

I'm somewhat dissapointed with the quality of the blade guides and
rails. The blade guide attaches to a 1" pipe and a stamped metal guide
which move up and down and are fixed by turning a knob which applies
friction to the pipe. Unfortunately, there is about 1/8" play
(horizontally) in this mechanism. At one point last night, I was
attempting to re-sawing a 6" high board. I raised the blade guide
assembly, turned the saw on and heard a horrible scraping noise. I
realized that with the horizontal play, I was now cutting into the blade
guides. I adjusted the guides (cursing for having to adjust them when
changing the height) and turned the saw on again. Once more, I heard a
horrible scraping sound. I turned the saw off and opened the top wheel
cover. SURPRISE, the stamped guide was rubbing against the flywheel.
Since there is so much play in the adjustment, I was easily able turn
the guide assembly so that it didn't rub but I had to shake my head in
dissapointment.

Unfortunately, having looked very closely at the Jet, I had determined
that it was not made any better. The lack of quality in a $550 tool
($799 with the mobile base/ rip fence package) is simply amazing.

The Rip fence is equally bad. It's a stamped metal affair and it barely
gets the job done. Once again, I don't think the Jet is any better.

It's so sad when you compare tools made by Bosch, Milwaukee, and DeWalt
to the larger tools made by Delta, Jet, Grizzly, etc.

I guess if you want a top quality bandsaw, you should probably spend the
extra $500 and get the Laguna.

Let me tell you, I will think twice before purchasing a Delta tool
again.

-Jaz

Jack A. Zucker

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Jan 14, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/14/96
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Oh Yeah, one more thing...

I figured that I'd at least save $50 by using my Delta Tablesaw mitre
guage but of course it does not work because the slot on the Bandsaw is
too close to the blade.

-Jaz

Jack A. Zucker

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Jan 15, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/15/96
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This is my second post on this subject but since the first one didn't
appear to get posted, I thought I would repost:

On Saturday I bought a Delta 14" bandsaw. I bought the special package
that included the mobile base, rip fence, and closed stand. Before
buying, I had compared several bandsaws including Jet and decided to go
with the Delta mainly because other things being approximately equal, I
liked the Delta rip fence and mobile base much better than the Jet.
Additionally, the Delta will cut 6.25" high while the Jet is more like
5.75".

Anyway, I'm very dissapointed in the quality of a tool which cost a total
of $800. The Blade guide assembly is partially made out of stamped metal
and has significant horizontal play. So much in fact, that when set for
resawing a 6" board, the stamped metal guide rubs against the flywheel.
The reason this happens is because of the aforementioned "play" in the
mechanism. Of course you can twist the guide counter-clockwise and relock
the thing but this should not even be able to happen. Additionally, the
fence is very poor. It looks like something you would see on a very
inexpensive Craftsman bench saw. It certainly has no place on an $800
piece of equipment.

-Jaz

--
Jack A. Zucker Jack....@software.rockwell.com
Rockwell Software j...@en.com
6680 Beta Drive Voice: 216-646-7796
Mayfield Village, OH 44143 Fax: 216-646-7766


Mark Kepke

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Jan 15, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/15/96
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In article <4ddmg8$5...@news1.cle.ab.com>,

jack....@software.rockwell.com (Jack A. Zucker) wrote:

> This is my second post on this subject but since the first one didn't
> appear to get posted, I thought I would repost:
>
> On Saturday I bought a Delta 14" bandsaw.

<snip>


> Anyway, I'm very dissapointed in the quality of a tool which cost a total
> of $800.

Jack, I suggest you send your complaints to Delta directly. The only way
they can make you happy is if they know there is a problem.

Thanks for the info too.

--
-Mark
My opinions, etc.

nugatory

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Jan 15, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/15/96
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jack....@software.rockwell.com (Jack A. Zucker) wrote:

: > This is my second post on this subject but since the first one didn't
: > appear to get posted, I thought I would repost:
: >
: > On Saturday I bought a Delta 14" bandsaw.
: <snip>
: > Anyway, I'm very dissapointed in the quality of a tool which cost a total
: > of $800.


For what it's worth: My Christmas present (from myself) was
the Delta 14" bandsaw, albeit the $300 cheaper open-stand model.

Out of the box, the wheels were perfectly coplaner, the table was dead
flat, whoever set the saw up got the table dead square to the blade.
I added set of cool blocks, and the saw is perfect. No quality
problems at all....

Except that they left the belt(!) out of the package. It took a frantic
trip to Western Auto just as the snow started to fall (got there as they
locked the doors, begged and groveled, and got my belt) or I would
have been locked up by the snow for a week with 100 bf of 8/4 select
cherry and a statue of a bandsaw.

I'm about to call Delta - I expect that they'll send me a belt, which
I can use for the next routine belt change (once a year).


BRAD CLARK

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Jan 16, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/16/96
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I am about to purchase the Delta 14" Jet 14" or the Grizzly 15 or 16
inch. Does anyone have any thoughts on the subject? Hindsight is
20/20.
Brad Clark
trot...@msn.com

da...@ici.net

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Jan 16, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/16/96
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jack....@software.rockwell.com (Jack A. Zucker) wrote:

>This is my second post on this subject but since the first one didn't
>appear to get posted, I thought I would repost:

>On Saturday I bought a Delta 14" bandsaw. I bought the special package

>that included the mobile base, rip fence, and closed stand. Before
>buying, I had compared several bandsaws including Jet and decided to go
>with the Delta mainly because other things being approximately equal, I
>liked the Delta rip fence and mobile base much better than the Jet.
>Additionally, the Delta will cut 6.25" high while the Jet is more like
>5.75".

>Anyway, I'm very dissapointed in the quality of a tool which cost a total

>of $800. The Blade guide assembly is partially made out of stamped metal
>and has significant horizontal play. So much in fact, that when set for
>resawing a 6" board, the stamped metal guide rubs against the flywheel.
>The reason this happens is because of the aforementioned "play" in the
>mechanism. Of course you can twist the guide counter-clockwise and relock
>the thing but this should not even be able to happen. Additionally, the
>fence is very poor. It looks like something you would see on a very
>inexpensive Craftsman bench saw. It certainly has no place on an $800
>piece of equipment.

>-Jaz

>--
>Jack A. Zucker Jack....@software.rockwell.com
>Rockwell Software j...@en.com
>6680 Beta Drive Voice: 216-646-7796
>Mayfield Village, OH 44143 Fax: 216-646-7766

Sorry for your quality problems, I've been disappointed with some
tools Ive bought adn its not a good feeling. My 1st table saw I
bought from Sears what a expensive lesson that was. Im surprised on
the Delta but they just don't make them like they used to. My shop
consists of either Porter Cable or very old tools. I have a Craftsman
14" bandsaw from the 50's what a dream and was fun to restore.

David Arruda
da...@ici.net


David Arruda

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Jan 16, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/16/96
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TROT...@msn.com (BRAD CLARK) wrote:

Brad, run don't walk from the Grizzly! You pay for what u get. The
imports like Grizzly are great on price but not on quality. The
casting as rough and most of the beds are out of wack.
Good Luck
David Arruda
da...@ici.net


Simon Deane

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Jan 16, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/16/96
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re:Zucker
I bought a 14" also and was surprised at the shoddy workmanship.
The wheels are now balanced and the silly little aluminium plate in the table was not lapped so
any wood riding over it got caught.
The motor is wimpy,and the handle clips rattle.
For $800.00 plus you too can have this from delta.No wonder everyone talks of the good old
days!


Edwin Wright

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Jan 16, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/16/96
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"Jack A. Zucker" <j...@en.com> writes:
>
>Those of you claiming that Delta is the ultimate in quality, read on:
>Well, I bought the Delta 14" bandsaw on Saturday. As usual, parts were
>missing...

>I'm somewhat dissapointed with the quality of the blade guides and
>rails.... Unfortunately, there is about 1/8" play
>(horizontally) in this mechanism. At one point last night, I was
>attempting to re-sawing a 6" high board. I raised the blade guide
>assembly, turned the saw on and heard a horrible scraping noise. I
>realized that with the horizontal play, I was now cutting into the
>blade guides. I adjusted the guides ***(cursing for having to adjust
>them when changing the height)*** and turned the saw on again. Once

>more, I heard a horrible scraping sound. I turned the saw off and
>opened the >top wheel cover. SURPRISE, the stamped guide was rubbing
>against the flywheel.
>Since there is so much play in the adjustment, I was easily able turn
>the guide assembly so that it didn't rub but I had to shake my head in
>dissapointment.

snip...snip

>Let me tell you, I will think twice before purchasing a Delta tool
>again.
>
>-Jaz

It is a shame that you have had such terrible LUCK with Delta. But I do
not feel sorry for you. Unlike a car, you may or may not be able to
just drive a power tool off the showroom floor. Especially when you get
one that requires assembly. So I would like to offer the following
advice for the others reading this thread. Hopefully you will learn
something from this advice.

1. Where do you buy your tools? If from a local supplier, then look at
all the features on the FLOOR model before purchase. Like buying a car,
open all the doors, kick the tires, ask to turn it on to evaluate
noise, take it for a test drive. If the store won't allow this type of
inspection, find another store.

2. ALWAYS check the box for all parts BEFORE leaving the store. It is
obvious the number of headaches this step will solve.

3. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER turn on any power tool right out of the box
without performing a visual and manual check of all moving parts. When
I bought each of my major power tools, all Delta (models 34-670, 28-245
and 17-900), I bought an after-market book on each. Then I followed
Deltas assembly instructions AND did a tune-up following the
recommendations in the books BEFORE turning them on. Needless to say I
never had a problem. NOTE: I had no problem resawing a 2 X 6 to test my
Delta 14" band saw (model 28-245).

4. Always remember, you get what you pay for. Don't expect a $500 tool
to have the same quality as a $2000 one. It is better to determine
EXACTLY what you want prior to shopping for one. If you want the
features of the $2000 tool and buy the $500 tool, quit your bitch'en,
you only have yourself to blame.

5. In most cases, the $500 tool will perform as well as the $2000 tool.
But this performance is based on the ability of the operator and the
practice of making trial cuts on scrap before using the $15/bdft
material. Take your time, know and respect the limitations of your
equipment, you may be surprized at the results.

Contrary to your experience, Jaz, the miter gauge from my Delta table
saw (model 34-670) does work on my band saw. Agreed the blade guide
must be about 1.5 inches above the table to allow the miter gauge to
clear, but I have had no problems with this arrangement.

Finally, I bought the Delta tools knowing they were made in Tiawan. But
current budgetary considerations determined that choice. As funds
become available, I plan to up-grade to some higher quality tools
(probably Delta). I am using this opportunity to learn just what I want
in a tool and gain experience in woodworking.


Ed Wright
Neophyte Woodworker
el...@ix.netcom.com

Peter Lemmond

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Jan 16, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/16/96
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In article <30F9D9...@en.com>, "Jack A. Zucker" <j...@en.com> writes:
>Those of you claiming that Delta is the ultimate in quality, read on:
>
>Well, I bought the Delta 14" bandsaw on Saturday. As usual, parts were
>missing. Most irritating were 2 missing carriage bolts (used to mount
>the motor) Unfortunately, I had no carriage and was forced to use
>standard machine bolts instead. This was painful because there is not
>much room to get two wrenches into the cabinet but I finally got it
>together.
>

I also bought this same package on Saturday. Went in to buy another
snow shovel, and walked out with a Bandsaw! A long story, but got a
fantastic buy. Anyway, no missing parts. Relatively easy to put
together, though lifting the saw onto the base was a strain. I've
bought other Delta stuff, and not had any missing parts like you
describe.

>I'm somewhat dissapointed with the quality of the blade guides and

>rails. The blade guide attaches to a 1" pipe and a stamped metal guide

..snip long descriptions of problems...

No offense intended, but didn't you look at and try this saw *before*
you bought one? Most everything you've described as problems would
have been visible in your dealer's showroom. To act surprised and
disappointed after the fact seems a bit disingenuous.

>
>Unfortunately, having looked very closely at the Jet, I had determined
>that it was not made any better. The lack of quality in a $550 tool
>($799 with the mobile base/ rip fence package) is simply amazing.
>
>The Rip fence is equally bad. It's a stamped metal affair and it barely
>gets the job done. Once again, I don't think the Jet is any better.

Gee, in your other post, you said you liked the Delta Rip Fence better
than the Jet. But I agree that the fence is no great bargain. Oh well,


you get what you pay for.

>


>It's so sad when you compare tools made by Bosch, Milwaukee, and DeWalt
>to the larger tools made by Delta, Jet, Grizzly, etc.
>

Plenty of folks here complain about these brands too.

>I guess if you want a top quality bandsaw, you should probably spend the
>extra $500 and get the Laguna.
>

Pay almost twice the price and get a better tool? Wow, what a radical
concept!

>Let me tell you, I will think twice before purchasing a Delta tool
>again.
>

Sorry your experience wasn't up to your expectations. I had little
trouble getting mine set up to run well out of the box, using just the
Delta instructions. Passed the "Nickel Test" w/o any fine adjustment. I
also bought the highly recommended Mark Duginske (probably wrong
spelling) "Bandsaw Book" at the same time, but haven't had the time yet
to go thru it.

-Peter


Scott

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Jan 16, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/16/96
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nugatory wrote:
>No quality
> problems at all....
> Except that they left the belt(!) out of the package. It took a frantic
> trip to Western Auto just as the snow started to fall (got there as they
> locked the doors, begged and groveled, and got my belt) or I would
> have been locked up by the snow for a week with 100 bf of 8/4 select
> cherry and a statue of a bandsaw.

It amazes me that the general attitude is that its OK to have to buy new
parts and pieces for a brand new machine. Missing a belt is a major
indication that someone did not do their job and nobody caught it. What else
slipped by without anyone noticing? I think about the design and complexity
that goes into a $150 VCR and then compare that to the nuts and bolts basics
of a machine tool and wonder how machine manufactures can get away with such
mediocre quality at a premium price. Does this bother anyone else?

Bill Thomas

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Jan 17, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/17/96
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You will eventually buy a Jet or Delta 14" bandsaw. If you buy a Grizzly
first, then you just add its price to your total cost to get a bandsaw
that you will like working with.

darylb

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Jan 17, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/17/96
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In article <4djadl$s...@news1.cle.ab.com>, jack....@software.rockwell.com
(Jack A. Zucker) wrote:
snip
>
> It depends on what you mean by "works". The problem with the standard
> miter guage is that the blade runs into the guage if you attempt to push
> a piece past the blade. If they had cut the slot a little further to the
> right, it would not happen.
>
BAHHAHAHAHA, if you use your saw you cut it apart BAHAHAHAHA!!
I listen to these horror stories of Tawanese CRAP and laugh. For the same
price I bought a used 36" Oliver with 5HP DC (variable speed constant
torque motor) and 20" resaw capability. A beautiful American cast iron
beauty. All adjustments done with handwheels (via dovetail slides {tension}
or worm & wheel {table tilt}). I bought Taiwanese once. Learned my lesson
too. No more CRAP for me. A self destructing saw...I'm sorry but thats
priceless BAHAHAH.

Jack A. Zucker

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Jan 17, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/17/96
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In article <4dgl4p$k...@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, el...@ix.netcom.co says...

>
> "Jack A. Zucker" <j...@en.com> writes:
>>
>>Those of you claiming that Delta is the ultimate in quality, read on:
>>Well, I bought the Delta 14" bandsaw on Saturday. As usual, parts were
>>missing...

>
>Contrary to your experience, Jaz, the miter gauge from my Delta table
>saw (model 34-670) does work on my band saw. Agreed the blade guide
>must be about 1.5 inches above the table to allow the miter gauge to
>clear, but I have had no problems with this arrangement.
>

It depends on what you mean by "works". The problem with the standard


miter guage is that the blade runs into the guage if you attempt to push
a piece past the blade. If they had cut the slot a little further to the
right, it would not happen.

-Jaz

Peter Sylvester

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Jan 17, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/17/96
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In article <00002045...@msn.com>, TROT...@msn.com (BRAD CLARK)
wrote:

> I am about to purchase the Delta 14" Jet 14" or the Grizzly 15 or 16
> inch. Does anyone have any thoughts on the subject? Hindsight is
> 20/20.
> Brad Clark
> trot...@msn.com

--

I bought the Delta 14" band saw with the enclosed stand and have been
fairly happy with it. The machine is well made and easy to setup and
adjust. The only complaint that I might have is that when resawing 6"
hardwood, the motor can easily bog down. For resawing, a larger (the stock
I think is 3/4 HP) motor and/or different pullies may be required.

I have a Grizzly 6" jointer, and while the price was right, the quality is
not tops. The tables are not perfectly in line, and the machining for the
cutterhead bearings is off slightly, which tends to cause the bearings to
make more noise then they should. I'm thinking about trading this up for
the Delta 8" at some point.

My recommendation is to get the highest quality you can afford.

Peter Sylvester
(pet...@mitre.org)

Jack A. Zucker

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Jan 17, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/17/96
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In article <4dgbn1$q...@pearl.whoi.edu>, pet...@tone.whoi.edu says...

>
>In article <30F9D9...@en.com>, "Jack A. Zucker" <j...@en.com> writes:
>>Those of you claiming that Delta is the ultimate in quality, read on:
>>
>No offense intended, but didn't you look at and try this saw *before*
>you bought one? Most everything you've described as problems would
>have been visible in your dealer's showroom. To act surprised and
>disappointed after the fact seems a bit disingenuous.
>

I did not get to actually cut wood with it before buying. I did notice
the lack of quality and the "play" of the mechanism but the Jet had the
same problems and I couldn't afford the Laguna. In any event, I don't
lose the right to complain.

>>
>>Unfortunately, having looked very closely at the Jet, I had determined
>>that it was not made any better. The lack of quality in a $550 tool
>>($799 with the mobile base/ rip fence package) is simply amazing.
>>
>>The Rip fence is equally bad. It's a stamped metal affair and it barely
>>gets the job done. Once again, I don't think the Jet is any better.
>
>Gee, in your other post, you said you liked the Delta Rip Fence better
>than the Jet. But I agree that the fence is no great bargain. Oh well,
>you get what you pay for.
>

That's right. The Delta rip fence is better than the Jet but it's still
not very good. I stand behind everything I've said.

>>I guess if you want a top quality bandsaw, you should probably spend
the
>>extra $500 and get the Laguna.
>>
>
>Pay almost twice the price and get a better tool? Wow, what a radical
>concept!
>

You know, I used to think this newsgroup was immune to this immature
bashing of someone else whose opinion differs but I was wrong ! :-)

Roger Fontes

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Jan 17, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/17/96
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I just got the same tool for Christmas and have been very happy with it.
I had the same problem with the blade guide rubbing on the upper wheel
when it's fully raised though. I think you should keep in mind that
this tool only cost $800. In today's economy where a basic bicycle
costs $500 I think we got a deal.

Preparing to be flamed
Roger

Simon Deane

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Jan 18, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/18/96
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I just finished explaining why my delta was a real let down.(14' bandsaw).underpowered with 1/2
h.p..wheels out of alignment.door cathes that rattle.table plate that needs lapping.All for
$800.oo bucks. So how good is the jet?


Mark Hodges

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Jan 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/19/96
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I have the Jet 14 enclosed stand, like it better than the Delta 14 we have
at school:

@ quieter and smoother running
@ more powerful motor (1 HP vs 3/4)
@ power switch conveniently located
@ larger, smoother table
@ good fit and finish
@ and...way less $$$

In article <4dkhs1$f...@sanjuan.islandnet.com>, Simon Deane

Mjh 48

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Jan 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/19/96
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In article <mhodges-1801...@actiniummac.cray.com>,
mho...@oregon.cray.com (Mark Hodges) writes:

>I have the Jet 14 enclosed stand, like it better than the Delta 14 we
> have at school:
>
>@ quieter and smoother running
>@ more powerful motor (1 HP vs 3/4)
>@ power switch conveniently located
>@ larger, smoother table
>@ good fit and finish
>@ and...way less $$$

I just got a new Delta enclosed base 14"
bandsaw and it came with a 1 HP motor.
The dealer said Delta was responding to
JET. For $770 I got the saw with a mobile
base and fence. A similar JET would be
about $650 (maybe $600). The major
advantage of the JET is price.

The Shopnotes review said that Delta had
a better cut but JET had more power. Now
they have the same power. The fit and
finish of the saws I looked at was about
the same. The switch on the Delta was in
same place as the JET.

Michael Holley
near Seattle
-------------------
Don't point out spelling or grammar errors
in my posts. But please let me know if I
ever send one with no errors.

Bill Loubiere

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Jan 20, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/20/96
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In article <4dkhs1$f...@sanjuan.islandnet.com>, Simon Deane
<de...@islandnet.com> wrote:

> I just finished explaining why my delta was a real let down.(14'
bandsaw).underpowered with 1/2
> h.p..wheels out of alignment.door cathes that rattle.table plate that
needs lapping.All for
> $800.oo bucks. So how good is the jet?

I've seen the Jet and the Delta run side by side at Woodcraft. The Jet
"shakes, rattles and rolls" while the Delta is very smooth.

One question: For $800, you should have the closed base model with the
3/4 HP motor. Is your saw open or closed based?

I purchased the same saw because of the Jet's "shake, rattle and roll".
Delta was providing the rolling base and the fence for the price. I found
the fence to be hard to move but was easily fixed with a little
adjusting.

Some EMail correspondance with the Delta reps should correct this. They
are a ISO 9001 quality rated shop and should respond well to any quality
complaints.

Bill

Mike A.

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Jan 20, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/20/96
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Simon Deane <de...@islandnet.com> wrote:

>Thanks for all the e mail on my delta 14".Why a piece of relatively uncomplicated piece of
>machinery needs so many descriptions of what to do to get it to work properly is beyond me.I
>think Delta should stop skimping and build the best they can.

I work in a factory where we have had Rockwell, Rockwell/Delta and
Delta tools for a long string of years. Stopped shopping long ago -
Just bought Delta - always held up pretty good and cost less than the
commercial stuff.

Just bought three bandsaws - Can't tell whether they were built by
Tonka or Mattel but they are pretty light - all work ok and are
accurate but we have put them into light use and have started shopping
again. Don't know what we'll replace them with but it won't be Delta.
There has been a distinct difference over the years and it is visible
just by walking around our plant and looking at the old versus new.

The old homeowner stuff was strong enough for commercial use - the new
stuff isn't. We are back to purchasing on the commercial market.

For what it's worth

Be well
Mike A
Allen...@muscanet.com


Victor Kan

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Jan 21, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/21/96
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>>>>> "darylb" == darylb <dar...@bnr.ca> writes:
In article <darylb-17...@bcrkm52.ott.bnr.ca> dar...@bnr.ca (darylb) writes:

darylb> In article <4djadl$s...@news1.cle.ab.com>,
darylb> jack....@software.rockwell.com (Jack A. Zucker) wrote: snip


>> It depends on what you mean by "works". The problem with the
>> standard miter guage is that the blade runs into the guage if you
>> attempt to push a piece past the blade. If they had cut the slot a
>> little further to the right, it would not happen.
>>

darylb> BAHHAHAHAHA, if you use your saw you cut it apart BAHAHAHAHA!!
darylb> I listen to these horror stories of Tawanese CRAP and
darylb> laugh. For the same price I bought a used 36" Oliver with 5HP

How did this become one of those "horror stories of Tawanese [sic] CRAP"?

I thought the Delta 14" band saw is made in the USA.

darylb> DC (variable speed constant torque motor) and 20" resaw
darylb> capability. A beautiful American cast iron beauty. All
darylb> adjustments done with handwheels (via dovetail slides
darylb> {tension} or worm & wheel {table tilt}). I bought Taiwanese
darylb> once. Learned my lesson too. No more CRAP for me.

There's Taiwanese Crap and there's American Crap. Both stink.
But there's non-crap coming from both places as well.

darylb> A self destructing saw...I'm sorry but thats priceless BAHAHAH.

In Jaz's earlier message (<30F9DA...@en.com>), he noted Delta's
standard *table saw* miter gauge is too wide to work with the Delta
bandsaw. That's not surprising, and certainly not an indication of
crappiness.

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JCromp4

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Jan 23, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/23/96
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In article <4dp1et$r...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mj...@aol.com (Mjh 48)
writes:

>I just got a new Delta enclosed base 14"
>bandsaw and it came with a 1 HP motor.
>The dealer said Delta was responding to
>JET.

Is this true in general? Which dealer did you buy from? I know Wood
Workers Supply was (optionally) subbing in bigger motors on their Delta
open stand saws, but I've not heard of this option on the closed stand
saws. Hurray if this is true as standard for Delta closed stand saws!

Joe Crompton


WoodyWorkr

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Jan 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/24/96
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In article <4e2dqu$a...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jcr...@aol.com (JCromp4)
writes:

>>I just got a new Delta enclosed base 14"
>>bandsaw and it came with a 1 HP motor.
>>The dealer said Delta was responding to
>>JET.
>
>Is this true in general? Which dealer did you buy from? I know Wood
>Workers Supply was (optionally) subbing in bigger motors on their Delta
>open stand saws, but I've not heard of this option on the closed stand
>saws. Hurray if this is true as standard for Delta closed stand saws!
>
>

Depends on who you talk too. I am in the market for this saw. I want the
enclosed stand and a 1 HP motor. (with free rip fence and mobile base).
An outfit in Seattle called Buckner-Weatherby (sp) Will sell it to me for
$799. Woodworkers Supply wants $789 but only with a 3/4 HP motor.
Buckner-Weatherby says theirs has the 1HP motor. Whats up Delta?
Wood...@aol.com are you reading this?

Does any one know for sure what motor comes with the closed base saw? Are
there any other changes comming or this machine? Inquiring woodworkers
with cash want to know....

PS if you know of a way to save me $ on this purchase, please let me know.
This will be the most Expensive tool I have ever purchased....

Bernie Swanson
near Seattle

Mjh 48

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Jan 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/24/96
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In article <4e2dqu$a...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jcr...@aol.com (JCromp4)
writes:

>


>Is this true in general? Which dealer did you buy from? I know Wood
>Workers Supply was (optionally) subbing in bigger motors on their Delta
>open stand saws, but I've not heard of this option on the closed stand
>saws. Hurray if this is true as standard for Delta closed stand saws!
>

>Joe Crompton

I got mine in the last week of December from Woodcraft Supply in Seattle.
Delta
ships the 14" bandsaw in two boxes, the bandsaw unit in one box and the
stand/motor
in another. The "Bandsaw Basic Unit" is model number 28-203 for both the
open and
enclosed stand saws. The "Enclosed Stand W/Motor & Controls 115/230V 1HP
1PH Push Button" (1HP motor and stand) is model number 52-965. This is a
new
model number (it is not in the Delta Industrial catalog).

Michael Holley
near Seattle, but not as near as some.

ClappT

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Jan 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/24/96
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I just got the Delta BS with closed stand from Woodworkers Supply. They
extended their package offer to cover this month and reduced the price for
the whole deal from $789 to $745. Besides there is no freight to pay and
it got here via trucklines in 3 days. WHAT SERVICE!

And to boot, the sclosed end base model came with a 1HP motor (although
not a belfor).

Grab it. I am thrilled.

Tim S. Smith

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Jan 25, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/25/96
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I just received my 14" Delta Bandsaw from WoodWorkers Supply last week.
It came standard with the 1HP motor. WWS told me that the standard
motor would now be the 1HP.

Tim

WoodyWorkr wrote:
>
> In article <4e2dqu$a...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jcr...@aol.com (JCromp4)
> writes:
>

> >>I just got a new Delta enclosed base 14"
> >>bandsaw and it came with a 1 HP motor.
> >>The dealer said Delta was responding to
> >>JET.

<Snip>

George Gawlik

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In a previous article, j...@en.com ("Jack A. Zucker") says:

>Those of you claiming that Delta is the ultimate in quality, read on:
>

I know how aggravated you must be, but for all of you out there who want
the best you can get for the money, get one of those old, old, Deltas used.

Mine is about 40 years old and is a real "ssweetheart" of a machine. The
old stuff is invariably better.


Jim

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Jan 26, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/26/96
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Bernie Swanson Wrote:
>Depends on who you talk too. I am in the market for this saw. I want the
>enclosed stand and a 1 HP motor. (with free rip fence and mobile base).
>An outfit in Seattle called Buckner-Weatherby (sp) Will sell it to me for
>$799. Woodworkers Supply wants $789 but only with a 3/4 HP motor.
>Buckner-Weatherby says theirs has the 1HP motor. Whats up Delta?
>Wood...@aol.com are you reading this?
>
>Does any one know for sure what motor comes with the closed base saw? Are
>there any other changes comming or this machine? Inquiring woodworkers
>with cash want to know....
>

Talk to Woodworkers Supply.. they buy the open stand 14" deltas (1/2hp) and
swap motors.. to 3/4 or 1 hp (Baldor motors, good brand).. they must be
reselling the 1/2 hp motors, cuz it only cost $50 to upgrade to 3/4 hp and
another $65 to go to 1hp.. (ordered one yesterday) you might ask them if
they'll do that for you with the closed base saw too..

Jim Neeley

Michael Bush

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Jan 26, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/26/96
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In article <3107A7...@pg.com>, "Tim S. Smith" <tss...@pg.com> wrote:

> I just received my 14" Delta Bandsaw from WoodWorkers Supply last week.
> It came standard with the 1HP motor. WWS told me that the standard
> motor would now be the 1HP.
>
> Tim
>

Tim,
Did you get the free rip fence & mobile base with this 1HP Delta 14"? I
just got off the phone with WWS and they said that Delta was going to make
the 1 HP standard, but they didn't have any yet, & didn't think it would
come with the rip fence & mobile base. If you did get the free stuff,
what number did you call, & how much was the saw?
Thanks in advance for any response,

Michael

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Mjh 48

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Jan 27, 1996, 3:00:00 AM1/27/96
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In article <4e5cb7$q...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, woody...@aol.com
(WoodyWorkr) writes:

>>Is this true in general? Which dealer did you buy from? I know Wood
>>Workers Supply was (optionally) subbing in bigger motors on their Delta
>>open stand saws, but I've not heard of this option on the closed stand
>>saws. Hurray if this is true as standard for Delta closed stand saws!
>>
>

>Depends on who you talk too. I am in the market for this saw. I want
the
>enclosed stand and a 1 HP motor. (with free rip fence and mobile base).
>An outfit in Seattle called Buckner-Weatherby (sp) Will sell it to me for
>$799. Woodworkers Supply wants $789 but only with a 3/4 HP motor.
>Buckner-Weatherby says theirs has the 1HP motor. Whats up Delta?
>Wood...@aol.com are you reading this?
>
>Does any one know for sure what motor comes with the closed base saw?
Are
>there any other changes comming or this machine? Inquiring woodworkers
>with cash want to know....
>

>Bernie Swanson
>near Seattle

The new 1 HP Delta 14” Bandsaw Enclosed Stand is part
number 52-965, the 3/4 HP Enclosed Stand is 52-963.
(The bandsaw basic unit is 28-203.) If you are buying
a new saw make sure you get the 52-965 stand.

The 1 HP motor is made by Marathon Electric and has
a Delta part number 62-252. The name plate rates
it a 1 HP at 1725 RPM, 115/230V, 13.4/6.7A. The
motor is in a drip-proof case, not a TEFC.

Michael Holley
near Seattle, but not as near as Bernie


ohiotaxid...@gmail.com

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May 20, 2014, 11:58:51 AM5/20/14
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On Sunday, January 14, 1996 3:00:00 AM UTC-5, Jack A. Zucker wrote:
> Those of you claiming that Delta is the ultimate in quality, read on:
>
> Well, I bought the Delta 14" bandsaw on Saturday. As usual, parts were
> missing. Most irritating were 2 missing carriage bolts (used to mount
> the motor) Unfortunately, I had no carriage and was forced to use
> standard machine bolts instead. This was painful because there is not
> much room to get two wrenches into the cabinet but I finally got it
> together.
>
> I'm somewhat dissapointed with the quality of the blade guides and
> rails. The blade guide attaches to a 1" pipe and a stamped metal guide
> which move up and down and are fixed by turning a knob which applies
> friction to the pipe. Unfortunately, there is about 1/8" play
> (horizontally) in this mechanism. At one point last night, I was
> attempting to re-sawing a 6" high board. I raised the blade guide
> assembly, turned the saw on and heard a horrible scraping noise. I
> realized that with the horizontal play, I was now cutting into the blade
> guides. I adjusted the guides (cursing for having to adjust them when
> changing the height) and turned the saw on again. Once more, I heard a
> horrible scraping sound. I turned the saw off and opened the top wheel
> cover. SURPRISE, the stamped guide was rubbing against the flywheel.
> Since there is so much play in the adjustment, I was easily able turn
> the guide assembly so that it didn't rub but I had to shake my head in
> dissapointment.
>
> Unfortunately, having looked very closely at the Jet, I had determined
> that it was not made any better. The lack of quality in a $550 tool
> ($799 with the mobile base/ rip fence package) is simply amazing.
>
> The Rip fence is equally bad. It's a stamped metal affair and it barely
> gets the job done. Once again, I don't think the Jet is any better.
>
> It's so sad when you compare tools made by Bosch, Milwaukee, and DeWalt
> to the larger tools made by Delta, Jet, Grizzly, etc.
>
> I guess if you want a top quality bandsaw, you should probably spend the
> extra $500 and get the Laguna.
>
> Let me tell you, I will think twice before purchasing a Delta tool
> again.
>We are looking for this band saw if you are interested in selling it. Contact us at the above email. Thanks!

woodchucker

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May 20, 2014, 12:40:13 PM5/20/14
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I won't buy a new Delta. I will buy old Delta b4 1980 .
B4 the company was sold it was going downhill.

I bought a 14" cast iron BS made in the USA.
What a piece of crap. I thought for sure that made in the US was going
to improve it.

Don't know if you bought cast iron, or the sheet metal BS. You mention
stamped steel, but individual pieces.

I reemed my hole for the guide rod out then used brass shim stock to get
it so that when I raise and lower it stays in the same plane.. it was
moving so far that it required a reset every time you raised and lowered.

I did a lot of other work to get it right. I removed the pins for
alignment of the riser and then was able to get coplanar.

I fixed the poor dust collection.

I moved some latches.

I trued the wheels using a mallet. The wheels were out of round, and
went side to side. It's not perfect, but it's way better.



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Bob La Londe

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"woodchucker" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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** I trued the wheels using a mallet **

Delta Quality at its finest. LOL.

I guess I'm going to have to start setting aside cash and spend some time
traveling to equipment auctions for anything good anymore.



Swingman

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On 5/20/2014 10:58 AM, ohiotaxid...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Sunday, January 14, 1996 3:00:00 AM UTC-5, Jack A. Zucker wrote:
>> Those of you claiming that Delta is the ultimate in quality, read on:

Y'all need to realize the post is 18 years old ...

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"Swingman" <k...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> On 5/20/2014 10:58 AM, ohiotaxid...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, January 14, 1996 3:00:00 AM UTC-5, Jack A. Zucker wrote:
>>> Those of you claiming that Delta is the ultimate in quality, read on:
>
> Y'all need to realize the post is 18 years old ...

Yep, and reminds us that Delta started sucking more than 18 years ago.



woodchucker

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May 20, 2014, 4:36:08 PM5/20/14
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On 5/20/2014 2:24 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 5/20/2014 10:58 AM, ohiotaxid...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, January 14, 1996 3:00:00 AM UTC-5, Jack A. Zucker wrote:
>>> Those of you claiming that Delta is the ultimate in quality, read on:
>
> Y'all need to realize the post is 18 years old ...
>

Thanks, I didn't see that.

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