Hardwood that is green in color?
Scott Van Note
I've seen Lignum Vitae with green heartwood and brown heartwood.
I'm not sure whether that means it turns brown or if there are two
different Lignum Vitaes.
Is there one standard encylopedia type reference for wood?
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Scott Van Note
sco...@crl.com
Tempe Arizona, USA
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Deeny3
at Gilmer Wood Company in Portland Oregon. They advertise in Fine
Woodworking among others.
_Deirdre
Scot Thomas
Poplar comes to mind, though the color is rarely uniform, and is mostly
mixed in with a tan, brownish color. But I do have some boards that are
a beautiful(?), fairly dark, limabean green.
Scot
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Wesley Smith (504)342-0908
green. Good luck.
Unless you dye the wood, you are going to have to settle for a much
more subdued shade of green than you probably want. Poplar does indeed have
some beautiful green coloring, as well as some beautiful blues. You just have
to do some shopping to find the color that you are looking for.
There is another wood that might appeal to you. It is called
greenheart. It comes from South America and is VERY toxic. The color is very
subdued but it is definitely green. On the down side you have to be careful of
splinters and the dust. The splinters can cause some pretty nasty infections.
I've had very good luck with dying wood (especially maple) but I find
that it is very easy to scratch or sand through the dyed surface when putting
on the final finish.
Have fun!
Wes
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Eric Hamilton
|> I'm looking for a hardwood that is green in color and stays that way.
|>
You'll probably want to dye something to get a stable color.
Lignum vitae isn't something that you want to use just for its color anyway.
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Scott Van Note
Eric Hamilton <hami...@robin.rtp.dg.com> wrote:
>In article <3028qd$r...@crl.crl.com>, sco...@crl.com (Scott Van Note) writes:
>|> I'm looking for a hardwood that is green in color and stays that way.
>|>
>
>You'll probably want to dye something to get a stable color.
>Lignum vitae isn't something that you want to use just for its color anyway.
>
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>Butcher of fine hardwoods and easy bridge hands
Actually I'm an eccentric wood sculptor that has used Tagua Nut for a
Polar Bear, African Blackwood for a Black Jaguar, and Myrtle for an Elephant.
I wish to sculpt a Galapagos Tortoise and a Pangolin. Both a dusky green
color.
I have not dyed any wood and have no desire to do so.
Any other obvious wood-color/animal connections?
I have suspended carving a seal out of redwood burl, some things really
are difficult.
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Jay Keller
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> I'm looking for a hardwood that is green in color and stays that way.
This won't be very helpful but I can report on a recent experience with
lignum vitae. My mother was visiting from NY and she wanted to do a couple of
wood projects. One of them turned out to be a gorgeous letter-opener out of
lignum. I turned the handle and helped her bandsaw the rough shape, then
she did the shape-sanding and polishing.
It's very beautiful and shines like polished stone, but no way is it green.
The rough stock did have some greenish hues to it, but once polished it is
a lustrous brown with off-color streaks. I suppose there may be some greener
samples out there, but the lignum I've used hasn't been green.
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Deeny3
in Portland OR. It's roughly a cross between typical jade and an olive.
Don't know it's properties since I hate the color. :D
_Deirdre
_RViscusi
e original post so I'm not sure this will help,
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Eric Hamilton
|> >I'm looking for a hardwood that is green in color and stays that way.
|> >
|>
|> Poplar comes to mind, though the color is rarely uniform, and is mostly
|> mixed in with a tan, brownish color. But I do have some boards that are
|> a beautiful(?), fairly dark, limabean green.
|>
Poplar is very sensitive to light. That green color will go to brown in
bright sunlight very quickly, and over a period of a few years in normal
household use.
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R. Mortara
rich in color--at least the pieces that I saw. I got a look at them in the
Woodcraft store in Woburn, MA. I haven't seen it advertized in their catalogs,
but along with many other interesting exotics, curlys, and burls, it was
present in small quantity in the store. The pieces were smallish (3/4" x 3" x
24") but attractive, and were varied in figuring but deep green throughout.
It was hard to believe it was a naturally occurring wood, it was so green.
The pieces were about the same price as the other colored woods, about
$6-9 for the described size, which were the only sizes I saw. Woodcraft is
a good name as you probably know and they probably would ship this wood,
perhaps even in different sizes. At worst, you could always try to find out
their source. I'm not sure whether or not the other Woodcraft stores carry
greenheart or not as I've only been to the one in MA. Hope this helps.
Wesley Smith (504)342-0908
wood, I thought I'd make a general reminder that when working with any exotic
wood (and probably all woods), it is a good idea to wear the appropriate
protective devices. In this case I mean a dustmask and use extreme caution.
Greenheart is one of the most toxic woods ever discovered. A single splinter
can cause serious illness in some people. Others show less reaction but all
people seem to have adverse reactions to this wood.
Of course, none of this has stopped me from stocking some in my lumber
pile. I just can't wait to think of something to do with it. :-)
Wesley Smith (504)342-0908
> Wesley
> Do you have a contact in Louisianna with anyone who imports
> woods out of South America or other countries? If so, would
> you mind passing on the information? I know I can go
> through the traditional sources, but a private source can
> sometimes be more fruitful.
> I'm not interested in large amounts, but I would on occasion
> like to purchase Brazilian Rosewood, Snakewood (Central
> America), Kingwood, and maybe Cocobolo (Mexico, etc).
> Also, can you get Walnut pretty easy? I have a friend here
> in Stillwater (OK) who sells kiln dried walnut (at very
> good prices). He has a portable bandsaw mill. I will give
> you his telephone number is you are interested.
I'm sorry to say that most of my exotics come from Paxton's Beautiful
Woods in New Orleans. I say it that way because the selection for sale to the
public is not always very good and its a 90 mile drive (each way) for me to see
what they have. I also get good results looking over the stock at Riverside
Lumber in New Orleans. Both of these places have good supplies of woods from
South & Central America, as well as Africa. I like Riverside because they let
people into their warehouse and it's loaded.
This past weekend I got a chance to check out two really nice places in
Houston. However, I found their prices to be very high. A piece of Snakewood
3/4 x 3 x 12 was $72.50. My brother mail-orders the stuff for about $20/lb out
of California. Most exotics I would never consider buying mail-order. There
is just too much variety in what you might get. I really want to see what I'm
paying for before it gets to the door.
Walnut runs about $3.60/bf kiln-dried and 2S. I know a place that
sells fresh cut walnut for $.50/bf. I'm thinking about buying a couple hundred
board feet and allowing it to air dry. I'm a little concerned about bugs
getting into it though while it's drying.
I borrowed a Wood-Mizer bandsaw mill last year for a couple of months
and made up a couple thousand board feet of oak, ask, pecan, and cedar. It has
all air-dried beautifully with bugs only getting into a little of the oak.
I also obtain oak and ash kiln-dried (rough cut) from a mill in
Mississippi for $1/bf. I believe that it is called Nettles Mill and is around
Woodville, MS.
Your friend in OK would have to be awful cheap for it to be worth a run
to Stillwater. My truck uses a 3/4" fuel line and gravity feed (I get about
10-11 mpg). :-( On the upside, it's a 1-ton crew-cab that can drag a heck of a
lot of firewood or lumber in great comfort. :-)
I also have a few local sources for small amounts of sassafras and
cherry. I think it's amazing that I can use so much lumber and have nothing to
show for it at home. It seems like almost everything I make goes to someone
else's house. One of these days I think I'm going to start making things for
me.
Wes
Paul Houtz
>Paul Writes:
>
>> Wesley
>
>> Do you have a contact in Louisianna with anyone who imports
>> woods out of South America or other countries? If so, would
>> you mind passing on the information? I know I can go
>> through the traditional sources, but a private source can
>> sometimes be more fruitful.
>
>> I'm not interested in large amounts, but I would on occasion
>> like to purchase Brazilian Rosewood, Snakewood (Central
>> America), Kingwood, and maybe Cocobolo (Mexico, etc).
I personally find it distasteful that someone would be interested in
importing Brazilian Rosewood, thereby violating the law and international
treaty.
Does "Paul" know that Brazilian Rosewood is endangered?
I didn't get the original, only the copy from Wesley Smith.
Folks, if you don't know, you should learn: buying newly imported
brazilian rosewood is destructive to efforts to re-establish this
endangered speces. It is also in violation of the law and international
treaties. How much enjoyment can you get from illegally obtained wood?
Try to find another wood. Many non-endangered species are beautiful, and
you can use them without worrying about being the cause of their extinction.
-gph
Wesley Smith (504)342-0908
endangered species of wood).
I have to agree with you to a large extent Paul. I try my best not to
buy woods that I know to be on the endangered species list. I seek out
information from the Woodworkers Alliance for Rainforest Protection (WARP) and
any other sources that I know of.
However, I would like to point out that we are sometimes told something
is endangered when it really is not endangered by lumbering operations. Some
woods are only endangered due to bulldozing and burning being performed to
clear land for crops. As most of us know, such land is only useable for
farming for a period of 2 to 3 years. At that time, the land is "burned up".
It just can't support the kind of growth that feeds people.
It has been suggested that one of the ways to slow the destruction of
the rainforests is by producing a sustainable market for renewable products.
In other woods, by showing that it is better to harvest and replant trees than
to push them down for farmland. I'm sorry to say that I am not an expert in
any of these areas.
I only know that I sometimes find that I have bought a piece of wood
that is listed as "endangered" by some group with dubious motives. When this
happens, I try not to buy more of the wood, at least not until I learn more
about it. In other words, what one group calls "endangered" may be referred to
as something like "not properly harvested or renewed" by another group. Until
such time as real standards are developed for keeping us informed as to what
woods should be avoided, we can only do our best to become informed and make
good decisions. After all, we are the ones who will suffer when the woods are
no longer available. It seems like an issue of WOOD from just a couple of
months ago contained a listing of about 6 or 7 woods that are being harvested
in a sustainable manner and are also quite interesting with nice grain features
and interesting colors.
Let's all try to use good judgement without jumping on our fellow
woodworkers too hard.
Sorry for sounding all preachy, I didn't get enough sleep last night
and I am already cranky today. :-(
Doug S. Caprette
>Paul writes that he is against the use of Brazilian rosewood (or any other
>endangered species of wood).
>
> I have to agree with you to a large extent Paul. I try my best not to
>buy woods that I know to be on the endangered species list. I seek out
>information from the Woodworkers Alliance for Rainforest Protection (WARP) and
>any other sources that I know of.
Can you post some informationabout these people, especially how to get a list
of woods and vendors that meet with theri approval?
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Paul Houtz
>Paul writes that he is against the use of Brazilian rosewood (or any other
>endangered species of wood).
> However, I would like to point out that we are sometimes told something
>is endangered when it really is not endangered by lumbering operations. Some
>woods are only endangered due to bulldozing and burning being performed to
>clear land for crops. As most of us know, such land is only useable for
>farming for a period of 2 to 3 years. At that time, the land is "burned up".
>It just can't support the kind of growth that feeds people.
>
> It has been suggested that one of the ways to slow the destruction of
>the rainforests is by producing a sustainable market for renewable products.
>In other woods, by showing that it is better to harvest and replant trees than
>to push them down for farmland. I'm sorry to say that I am not an expert in
>any of these areas.
I am sorry, Wesley, but while this information is possibly informative,
it is irrelevent to my posting. Brazilian Rosewood is accepted by
international treaty as an endangered species; Attempt to re-establish
it are in progress, and importation of this wood is deleterious to
those attempts.
Regardless of your personal opinion of whether an endangered species
is endangered because of slash and burn or lumbering, the simple fact
is, it is now endangered, and special efforts are necessary to bring
it back from the brink of extinction. Importing logs of endangered
species is simply as stupid as eating seed grain. It does not matter
how the species became endangered.
> I only know that I sometimes find that I have bought a piece of wood
>that is listed as "endangered" by some group with dubious motives. When this
"some group with dubious motives"?
Which group?
Brazilian Rosewood is listed in the CITIES Treaty and it is against
Federal Law, as I understand it, to import it.
There are a number of woods that are plantation grown, and I agree
wholeheartedly that trade in these woods might actually help the rainforests,
but again, that is entirely irrelevant to my point.
> Let's all try to use good judgement without jumping on our fellow
> woodworkers too hard.
If I recall my posting correctly, I indicated that I believe the person
did not know about the endangered species status of Brazilian Rosewood.
In so doing, I gave him the benefit of the doubt.
If he did know, and didn't care, I personally do not consider him a "fellow
woodworker". Whether I agree with our laws or not, I abide by them.
I believe people who knowingly break the law should be in jail.
Sorry if this sounds rude.
-gph
Paul Houtz
Which group?
Again, I am not casting aspersions on that particular person. It was
probably a mistake, or a lack of knowledge.
However, if a person does know, and still wants to import the wood, I
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