opinion on new F2 Xantos 290??
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sail???
sailquik (Roger Jackson)
Hmmm.... My experience was a bit different. But maybe the water is
flatter in
the sounds at Cape Hatteras, and I was using a weed fin which can make a
big
difference.
> They are designed as light air boards.
Well, they are lite to medium air boards, but if you tune the board
(MFP); the fin (smaller for more wind, larger for less wind/larger
sails);
and your rig, (6.5 is starting to get to be alot of sail at over 20
knots)
I think the 290 can be sailed in over 20 knots fairly comfortably.
But if you have a smaller board, you will probably get it out when the
wind gets consistently over 20 knots.
If you only have the Xantos 290, but have a smaller sail (say a 5.5) and
a smaller
fin (say a 30-34 cm, I think you can move the footstraps inboard and
sail the
Xantos very nicely. It will be a handful, and a smaller narrower board
would
definitely be more suitable, but with tuning and experience you can stay
in control
especially if you are a larger heavier sailor.
>Sail sizes from 6.5 to 8.0 . I have tried it in stronger winds and it is alot to control.
Without a smaller fin and sail, and some good tuning, I agree.
later
Roger
Gregg E. Ludvigson
are designed as light air boards.Sail sizes from 6.5 to 8.0 . I have tried it
in stronger winds and it is alot to control.
Gwind...@aol.com
Whats up Dude!!!
Vaughan Sanders
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sailquik (Roger Jackson) <sail...@ameritel.net> wrote in message
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> > The board gets out of control very fast when the wind gets above 20
knots.
> Hmmm.... My experience was a bit different. But maybe the water is
> flatter in
> the sounds at Cape Hatteras, and I was using a weed fin which can make a
> big
> difference.
>
> > They are designed as light air boards.
> Well, they are lite to medium air boards, but if you tune the board
> (MFP); the fin (smaller for more wind, larger for less wind/larger
> sails);
> and your rig, (6.5 is starting to get to be alot of sail at over 20
> knots)
> I think the 290 can be sailed in over 20 knots fairly comfortably.
>
This might give an idea what a 290 Xantos is capable of ( in flat water
anyway.)
My mate big Criss (330lbs) has a 290 Xantos as his medium to high wind
board, recently I was chasing him along the banks of the Ray (mirror flat
water) in winds gusting to 30 knts. Criss was on his 290 with a 7.4 Z1 and a
44 cm fin (F/Hot world tour I think). I was on my Roberts 25 with a 6.8 VX
and a 41 cm F/Hot world tour fin. I'm around 200lbs and I was maxed out, but
I could not get past Criss on the broad reach. I could point much higher
than Criss to get back up the Ray as he still wasn't really fully powered up
with a 7.4 in this wind, so I could get much further up the Ray to make my
runs. On one occasion I caught him pointing across from the leeward bank to
get to the flat water before bearing off. I was closing on him at full
speed, when he heard me coming he bore off putting the hammer down.
I had one of two choices, either go upwind of him and risk running aground
(my GPS recorded 39.2 mph for this run) he was going as close to the bank
as he dare to deter me.
The second choice, the one I took (my party trick) was to, as soon as he
looked around to see where I was, give him the impression I was going
upwind, then when he looked away, rip of downwind, hoping for enough
extra speed to get past, then point back up across his nose before he
realised where I'd gone and could put me in his dirty wind.
I managed to get level but could not get past, Criss just sailed on top of
me, putting me in his dirty wind and forcing me to drop behind into his
wake, my chance gone..
BTW I had so much downhaul on the VX, pointing back up the Ray it flapped
it's self to death by the end of the day, causing 3 tears in the head near
the leach (nothing a bit of water proof cello tape couldn't fix)
To give an idea how fast course/freeride boards and sails are these days
(39.2 mph = 34 knots).
While raking around in my loft I came across an On-Boards magazine from
1982 (speed-sailing was very popular back then)
That year at the Brest (France) speed week, in 1st place was Philip Pudenz
/Mistral : 26.53 knots (world record)
In 8th place was Ken Winner / Bic Marine with a speed of 24.66 knots.
Later on that year at the Weymouth (UK) speed week the WR was broken again
by Pascal Maker / Ellese, taking 1st place with a speed of 27.82 knots.
In 6th place was the "Baron" Arnould de Rosnay /AR11 Bic Marine with a speed
of 26.28 knots.
On the inside cover of this Magazine is an ad for a "Sea Panther" (similar
to the original Windsurfer Regatta) the board I had back then. I'd forgotten
how high the booms used to be, at least 6ins above your head, there was only
chest harness's (spreader bars hadn't been invented) that used to crush your
ribs. The 6m regatta sail was so unstable, I was forever getting catapulted
over the handlebars, bending the boom which as I remember I just used to
bend straight again. I used to sail this board in a blow ( there was a force
4 barrier with these boards) at the end of the tide here, when the water got
shallow and flat, with out the huge fixed wooden centre board. The water
used to shoot up through the centre board casing right over my head, I used
to think I was flying. I was probably making about 15 Knots but I'm sure it
felt faster than the speeds I go today.
Ps. there is a neat little calculator on the Whitstable wind page that gives
the wind chill.
http://www3.mistral.co.uk/whitwind/weather.htm
PPS. the wind is gusting to 45 mph here today (Sat) temp 5c/41f = wind-chill
of -12c/11f.
(can't psyche myself up to go out, turning into a wimp in my old age)
Jamie
Jamie Sanders
Chalkwell Wimdsurfing Club
http://freespace.virgin.net/ken.rosier/cwc.htm
Vaughan Sanders
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Jamie
Vaughan Sanders <ja...@chalkwell-windsurfing.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> sailquik (Roger Jackson) <sail...@ameritel.net> wrote in message
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> > > The board gets out of control very fast when the wind gets above 20
> knots.
> > Hmmm.... My experience was a bit different. But maybe the water is
> > flatter in
> This might give an idea what a 290 Xantos is capable of ( in flat water
> anyway.)
>
> My mate big Criss (330lbs) has a 290 Xantos as his medium to high wind
Criss has got himself on the TV here in the UK, he is on a programe called
"Why Weight" on channel 4 (daily at 12 30 pm)
This is a weight watchers programe and they have put Criss on a 13 week
diet. Criss weighed in at 24 st 7 lbs (343 lbs) they say his natural weight
should be 22 st 1 lb (309 lbs)
BTW they showed a clip of Criss out on his Starboard Go at his local beach,
"Stone" (on the Blackwater) it was blowing a gale and he still wasn't
plaining on his 9.3 :-))
Vaughan Sanders
From: Ken Morton <K...@morton-s.freeserve.co.uk>
To: Vaughan Sanders <ja...@chalkwell-windsurfing.fsnet.co.uk>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: opinion on new F2 Xantos 290??
> Vaughan, what type of GPS reciever do you use, how do you keep it from
> getting wet ( or dosn't it matter ) , where do you carry it when your on
the
> water and how easy is it to get speeds from it?
> Thanks Ken.
>
Ken my server would'nt accept your address to answer you by e-mail.
The GPS I have is a Garmin 12, it has a "record maximum speed" facility and
that's basically all I use.
I use a water proof bag that you can get from most yacht chandlers for
mobile phones, VHF radio's etc.
I just tape (electrical), the GPS to the front of the boom close to the mast
(if you like to slide your hand forward when you gybe/tack you might find
this position a nuisance). I have it slightly on the inside of the boom to
protect it just in case, but taped loosely so I can move it to read the
recorded speed when I stop.
Remember where ever you fit the GPS, it's reading the speed the GPS is
going, so if you wipe out and get catapulted you probably haven't broken the
world record.
I think the Garmin web page is
http://www.garmin.com
all the best
Jamie
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