What is best SUV for hauling windsurfing gear?
charlesivey
But wait, what is the best combination of roof rack and inside storage area
so one can load boards, booms, sails, etc., and head off for maybe up to 200
miles of comfortable driving to find the next wind storm?
I am looking at the RX300 'cause it likely drives the best. Does anyone
have experiences with particular SUV's that are PRO's or CON's for
windsurfing.
Thanks in Advance...
Charles Ivey
Alan Rogers White
"charlesivey" <charl...@email.msn.com> wrote:
I'm partial to 4x4 vans..full sized that is.
Alan
club page:http://www.charweb.org/sports/windsurfer
Jeff Miller
Perfect for windsurfing, mountain biking, surfing, etc.
Jeff
b...@spam_sync.com
> Plunge time... Time to get a new SUV -- that is, a sport utility
> vehicle.
>
> But wait, what is the best combination of roof rack and inside storage
> area so one can load boards, booms, sails, etc., and head off for
> maybe up to 200 miles of comfortable driving to find the next wind
> storm?
>
> I am looking at the RX300 'cause it likely drives the best. Does
> anyone have experiences with particular SUV's that are PRO's or CON's
> for windsurfing.
>
> Thanks in Advance...
>
> Charles Ivey
Charles,
Thanks for the definition of SUV, I've always wondered about that <g>.
I've got a '98 Ford Explorer with V6 SOHC. I test drove it against the
Toyota 4Runner, the Chevy Jimmy, the Jeep Grand Cherokee the Nissan
Pathfinder and the Dodge Grand Caravan.
If I was getting a dedicated windsurfing vehicle I would have chosen the
Dodge Grand Caravan. It had the best high speed handling and the largest
interior area. However, I wanted a vehicle that could cope with deeper
snow for XC skiing and (admittedly) I had image problems with the
Caravan since it was to serve for all of my transportation needs.
Of the remaining vehicles, the Path Finder handled the best at high
speed but it didn't feel comfortable and the interior area was way too
small. The next best handling was the Explorer and it had the largest
interior area, as well as length. So it was an easy decision at that
point. The boards go on the roof with a Thule rack and the rest of the
gear is inside. Only the mast comes out into the front area on top of
the arm rest. In a rush, I can pop my 263 board inside too but I prefer
it on the roof, especially when it is wet.
I got running boards that I thought would be useful for doing roof work,
however a lightweight step ladder is much better. (The running boards
still make it easier to get into the vehicle).
Regardless of the vehicle you decide upon, pay attention to tire and
wheel size. If you never plan on doing off road, go with the smallest
combination. This will give you the best handling. On the other hand,
go with the largest for superior ground clearance and traction (the
larger profile tires are generally wider too).
I've had my Explorer for over a year and I am extremely satisfied with
it.
Ben
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Chinook
not roomy, they are heavy and consume lots of fuel. You are are much better
off with a Dodge Grand Caravan. It is much more confortable, roomier and a
lot more energy efficient. Why would you need a 4X4? If you need luxury,
consider the Chrysler Town & Country. Take a ride with any of the SUV and
then try the Chrysler. It comes with a solid roof rack and plenty of room.
See it at:
http://www.chrysler.com/town_country/frameset_town_country.html
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Charles Livaudais
"Chinook" <mag...@microtec.net> wrote:
> There is absolutely no need for a SUV when windsurfing. Those vehicules are
> not roomy, they are heavy and consume lots of fuel. You are are much better
> off with a Dodge Grand Caravan. It is much more confortable, roomier and a
> lot more energy efficient. Why would you need a 4X4?
You need a 4x4 if you plan to drive on the beach and go ocean sailing,
as you can do at Hatteras or other places along the NC coast and
presumably elsewhere. In that situation a 4x4 van like Alan's seems
ideal; a more common alternative is a 4x4, extended cab truck.
Some are quite comfortable, although my '94 Toyota is not :-(.
Otherwise I'd agree that a minivan may be preferable to an SUV.
A regular van might be best if you have a 9 foot or greater board;
Those SUVs don't seem to
have much room for boards, booms, sails, etc. inside.
Charles Livaudais
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Before you buy.
NLW TFW NM
and sleep in (unless maybe you're talking a Suburban or Expedition at 12 mpg
and big insurance costs? If you don't NEED 4WD, why put up with its additional
cost, inertia, ride harshness, additional maintenance and expense, etc?
There are plenty of van and minivan options; we've been very satisfied with
both our Chevy Astros for covering lots of ground at triple digit speeds and
hundreds of thousands of miles of excellent service and with our stretched Ford
monster for creature comfort for months on end.
Mike \m/
BDSinclair
>>have experiences with particular SUV's that are PRO's or CON's for
>>windsurfing.
I had a 95 Explorer. It was pretty good for hauling gear, the seat backs fold
down easily to give you a near minivan sized cargo area. I could carry my old
9'6" inside the vehicle, as well as a second board and all my other junk. Sold
it because I was plagued with minor breakdowns (nothing serious/vehicle is
reported to be reliable)
I now own a Sienna minivan which I chose over the RX300 because of
space/seating considerations(I have small kids, no need for 4WD, and no ego
remaining). Rx300 is based on the same platform, and by all reports, an
excellent wet/snowy pavement SUV. If that is all you need 4WD for, you may
want to consider a 4WD wagon like the Quatro or similar Passat(planned, don't
know if it's available yet)
bs
charlesivey
Thanks to all for the posts.
Charles Ivey
Alan Rogers White
Charles Livaudais <liva...@my-deja.com> wrote:
and
>presumably elsewhere. In that situation a 4x4 van like Alan's seems
>ideal; a more common alternative is a 4x4, extended cab truck.
>Some are quite comfortable, although my '94 Toyota is not :-(.
>Otherwise I'd agree that a minivan may be preferable to an SUV.
>A regular van might be best if you have a 9 foot or greater board;
>Those SUVs don't seem to
>have much room for boards, booms, sails, etc. inside.
>
>Charles Livaudais
>
>
Charles,
I went ahead an put up a picture of mine at http://www.autosupplyhouse.com/van.htm
This past winter I had plenty of room to change, sleep, eat, read, whatever,and still keep the
gear out of the rain/wind out at the north end. I wouldn't trade it for anything. The girlfriend
also has plenty of room to stretch out and read comfortably.
Alan
Brian Mckenzie
Alan has an awesome 4x4 van. If not that, get a full size truck (with
8'ft bed). If you going all out with a truck, get the long bed with
extended cab! In the 8' bed (I have a shell on the back), I can fit 10
sailes, alot of masts & booms,and 5 boards. I was able to get a 9'6"
diagonally. Just build a rack across the top of the bed to set you
sails and booms, and put the boards underneath. The shell locks and
the tailgate locks. They may not be the best locking system, but it
works pretty good. When you drive around everything is inside! No rook
racks to worry about.
Like Charles L. said, get 4x4 if you plan to drive on beaches! Here in
NC, we get alot of use out of them.
Brian
RI531
How many months a year do you windsurf? I drive an 850 Volvo sedan. Both
back seats and the passanger seat fold down to give you a long run from the
trunk (about 10 feet) to the dashboard. The board goes on the roof and the
rest goes in the trunk. During the cold months and during mid week in the
summer I am back to driving a normal sedan. Smart people that made that car.
Tom H. from the State of Rhode Island
WARDOG
have a 9.5'
Lance overhead camper on it with THE rack of all racks off the back for
stacking boards vertically ,a Delta Aluminum diamond plate storage box for
all the rigging stuff and a stainless boom rack. Then come
surfing/sailing season, ie.. soon, I put my shell on it and have a
monster truck that everything fits inside with tiered bed racks. As far as
versatility , it's hard to beat. I also have a Nissan 4X4 kingcab toy
truck that works quite nice with the bed split horizontally.....boards on
top and sails and stuff below.
My wife drives a Volvo wagon, that works for her nicely as well, with
boards inside, or optional Thule rack. The car handles very well in the
snow, without 4X4.....go figure,
Sweden and no 4X4? My 4X4's are for extra insurance in the Baja BTW.
Don't think I would have it otherwise.Vehicles are a compromise, there is
no one answer.
SUV's are way too small for my scenario and I hate trailers.4X4 vans are
nice, but no inside shower, toilet or queen size bed for the wife and
they are noisier inside..rattle ,rattle...and the gear is in the way, good
for a single guy or single sailor. Couples that sail, complicate the
logistics, and then add a couple of dogs.....mountain bikes,
motorcycles,surfboards, fishing and diving gear.........where the hell do
I put the beer?!!!
Loco4wind
have an Isuzu trooper. I took out one of the back seats, and carry inside 2
boards, 2 masts, 2 booms, and 5 sails, plus other stuff, and I can carry a
passenger behind me. I like the vehicle for my trips to baja, but if I only
needed one for windsurfing a van would definitely be better, and I often wish I
had one instead.
My advice is that unless you need the high clearance and 4wd parts of an suv, a
van is better. If however, you will be using it to carry your gear off road, or
want a 4wd for snow, then get the SUV. In terms of which SUV, I suggest
bringing some gear with you when you test drive and see how it fits. This is
what I did, and the dealers thought I was somewhat weird, but it was the way to
do it.
Gavin Baylis
the garage, and then a quick walk over onto the beach, still have a
Landrover Discovery if I need to go anywhere.
Check out the view from my house via beach cam @ www.weatherheads.com
Regards
Gb
In article <19991004010135...@ng-cg1.aol.com>, Loco4wind
<loco...@aol.com> writes
Gavin Baylis
Weatherheads @ www.weatherheads.com
Bill Bell
AWD and it is excellent for the weekend trips from N. Virginia down to
the OBX. I have all the seats removed so plenty of room for gear
including boards, and sleeping if necessary. Nothing goes on the
roof because you can fit it all inside. No leather so nothing to
worry about with wet boards. Very nice ride also, in the captain's
chair!
See ya,
--
Bill Bell
HISS Web site
http://www.hiss-waves.com
Bill Bell
Minivans do not hamper your image. If anything, insurance is cheaper
because they are low risk vehicles, and I just mention that the "kids"
on board are my 8'5" and 8'8" Drops GOTs!!
Put a set of racks on the roof, and the van will look pretty good!
Except, maybe next to that Porsche Boxter that pulls up along side you
at the red light?!
JayR
gas mileage which means no SUV. I have one more for the ski season,
off-roading and making it up my driveway in the winter. I have a Jeep Grand
Cherokee which when loaded on the roof on a windy day is a handful to
control, literally both hands on the wheel at all times. But on the other
hand there is nothing like making it to the ski slopes in blizzard
conditions for first tracks.....except a good 5.0 day on the water. My 270
will fit inside with no front passenger (rear driver side only) as well as
any sails, masts etc. I have owned a Chevy Blazer and a Ford Explorer (both
2-door no space at all) and have found the Jeep the best for actual SUV
use..meaning not on pavement. I have yet to get stuck with the Jeep, even
with trying. I have gotten into trouble with the Chevy and the Ford. I saw a
nice extended Chevy Astro 4wd this summer...very nice that would be my vote
for a pure windsurf vehicle.
-JayR
charlesivey <charl...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
news:eD9jWtUD$GA.268@cpmsnbbsa02...
> Plunge time... Time to get a new SUV -- that is, a sport utility vehicle.
>
> But wait, what is the best combination of roof rack and inside storage
area
> so one can load boards, booms, sails, etc., and head off for maybe up to
200
> miles of comfortable driving to find the next wind storm?
>
> I am looking at the RX300 'cause it likely drives the best. Does anyone
> have experiences with particular SUV's that are PRO's or CON's for
> windsurfing.
>
Misiak, Tom
about a VW Passat wagon, Volvo, or Subaru for my next windsurfing vehicle.
The ride is more comfortable than a SUV, the racks are easier to reach,
there's plenty or interior storage room, and they're much better on gas than
the big vehicles. I'm not sure if one of these wagons with 4x4 could be used
on a beach, although the ground clearance of the volvo xc is only 1 inch less
than that of the '99 Pathfinder 4x4 (7" vs 8"). Any reasons why wagons aren't
considered for ws?
Tom
ma...@my-deja.com
"Misiak, Tom" <tmi...@nortelnetworks.com> wrote:
> I'm a bit surprised that nobody brought up station wagons. I was
thinking
> about a VW Passat wagon, Volvo, or Subaru for my next windsurfing
vehicle.
> The ride is more comfortable than a SUV, the racks are easier to
reach,
> there's plenty or interior storage room, and they're much better on
gas than
> the big vehicles. I'm not sure if one of these wagons with 4x4 could
be used
> on a beach, although the ground clearance of the volvo xc is only 1
inch less
> than that of the '99 Pathfinder 4x4 (7" vs 8"). Any reasons why
wagons aren't
> considered for ws?
>
loves. I drive a 94 Trooper, which despite all its readily apparent
shortcomings (ride, bad gas mileage, expensive to maintain, expensive
to insure, etc.) doesn't have that much more space than a big wagon,
and definitely a lot less than minivans. Some of those come with awd,
so unless you're doing serious off-roading, they should be just fine.
Not sure about the driving on the beach thing with 4x4 minivans (due to
relatively low groundclearance/long wheelbase/long overhang
combination); I'd be surprised, however, if the Outback didn't acquit
itself quite well in that environment.
Andreas
NLW TFW NM
is a handful to control, literally both hands on the wheel at all times. "
Bolt on a rear sway bar (anti-sway bar). Problem solved, unless that vehicle
has some peculiar design flaw. My Astro vans with triple-tiered roof racks full
of gear and my 9-foot-high/20-foot-long stretched Ford van pretty much ignore
cross-winds > 50 knots at driving speeds at 70 in the big van, 90 in the
Astros) since bolting on rear sway bars. I won't own a vehicle without 'em.
JCWhitney sells several types for about $100.
Mike \m/
Wolfgang Soergel
>
> I'm a bit surprised that nobody brought up station wagons. I was thinking
> about a VW Passat wagon, Volvo, or Subaru for my next windsurfing vehicle.
> The ride is more comfortable than a SUV, the racks are easier to reach,
> there's plenty or interior storage room, and they're much better on gas than
> the big vehicles. I'm not sure if one of these wagons with 4x4 could be used
> on a beach, although the ground clearance of the volvo xc is only 1 inch less
> than that of the '99 Pathfinder 4x4 (7" vs 8"). Any reasons why wagons aren't
> considered for ws?
>
the majority of sailors here own RVs and Vans (VW Bus / Camper /
California being most popular, followed by similarly sized
models from the others) most of the rest have wagons like
the Passat. Roomy ( i carried 4 boards, 6 Sails, 4 Masts,
3 Booms+ some camping gear inside last weekend, nothing on
the roof), quick and cheap on gas (the 750 km trip cost
me 6 hours pure driving time, including construction sites
etc. at less than 9 liters / 100 km, with top speed ussually
100 mph / 160 km/h if the road was free). Only drawback is
that living inside a bus is more comfortable and you still need
to put stuff on the roof if you are more than 1 in the car.
--
Wolfgang
Glenn Woodell
>
>I would have to agree with the minivan option.
I second that. All I could wish for is Bill's AWD. I have driven my FWD on
packed sand (while others were close by).
Den Fox
to. :-) With a good quality trailer you can but more or less any vehicle
that suits you. I tow a single axle trailer behind my VW California. It
carries up to seven boards, plus a whole load of sails and booms, yet it
uses far less fuel than when I used to try and balance the load on the roof,
even though I cruise at 130 km/h. It stops the inside of the van from
getting trashed with salt water, and keeps my bed dry. Towed behind a 4x4
you could go anywhere.
Den
Wolfgang Soergel <wsoe...@nt.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de> wrote in message
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Laurie Fawcett
my driveway. In the summer it carries all I need on the passenger side (on
top of two reclined "Quad Captain's chairs". For trips to the OBX with
passengers, the boards go on the roof, but everything else fits inside. The
"Quad" seating option makes it easier as mast halves and sails can fit up
between the rows of seats with the third level seat removed, and you can
remove one of the quad seats as well if there is only the driver and two
passengers. But I wouldn't trust a full time AWD sytem too far in the sand,
because you'll want low gearing and locking axles if you start to get stuck.
Bill Bell <bb...@marasconewton.com> wrote in message
news:7ta734$t22$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> I would have to agree with the minivan option. I have a Dodge Caravan
> AWD and it is excellent for the weekend trips from N. Virginia down to
....
Brian Mckenzie
>I have a F-250 XLT Kingcab 4X4 with 8' bed. During the sailing season I
>have a 9.5'
>Lance overhead camper on it with THE rack of all racks off the back for
>stacking boards vertically ,
Now that is "DA HEAT!" I'm jealous. I've seen some similar vertical
racks in the Gorge on the back of RV's and etc. I have the regular cab
F-150 4x4. Went for quick and nimble since we have a place at the
beach. I do see the need for more room though.
My wife sometimes takes her Outback and goes off and sails with the
other ladies at different spots. That has worked out as another ws
vehicle in a pinch, especially with a rack box on top. We also use
the Outback for snowboarding.
>.where the hell do I put the beer?!!!
My god man....never forget the beer!!!!!!
Brian Mckenzie
also use a box on top. I haven't had ours out on the beach, but one
our friends took theirs out there without any problems. Just stay away
from the super deep ruts!
Brian
Dimitar Bojantchev
during the season it can swallow quite a few boards, sails, booms, and
everything else. The masts I keep in the ski racks on the roof. The
cons of a large size vehicle are well known -- maneuverability and
mileage. For everything else its the best.
D.
Andrew B. Watkins
Misiak, Tom <tmi...@nortelnetworks.com> wrote:
>I'm a bit surprised that nobody brought up station wagons. I was thinking
>about a VW Passat wagon, Volvo, or Subaru for my next windsurfing vehicle.
>on a beach...
G'day Tom (and others),
I've used a Subaru Liberty 4x4 station wagon for windsurfing for 18 months
now, and it has been great. Boards are easy to access on the roof,
or if i am on my own I can even fit my 275 AND 292 inside the car,
as well as mast, boom, sails and the bits and pieces. As for 4x4
on the beach, well check out the photos on:
http://mullara.met.unimelb.edu.au:8080/WA
Not only did we drive from Melbourne to Western Australia and back
(3500km each way) with windsurfing and camping gear, but also headed along
a number of beaches in relative comfort (using lo range).
I'd have to say, if you want a practical vehicle for driving to work
on Monday and on the beach on Sunday, its pretty hard to go past.
IMHO of course!
Andrew.
--
Andrew B. Watkins | `To strive, to seek, to find
a...@met.unimelb.edu.au | and not to yield'
http://mullara.met.unimelb.edu.au:8080/abw - Lord Tennyson
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The Dog
I might have one-uped ya... Got a shiny new 2000 F-350 Super Duty
sitting out in the driveway. Crew Cab, long bed, dually, V-10.
I skipped the 4x4 cause I'll never drive to Baja from Dallas. Plus
with the RV show in town this weekend, I figure we'll have our Lance
camper in time for Pumpkin Cup and the Thanksgiving coast trips.
And if you didn't hate trailers, you too would have a place for your
cans of beer... Five Gallon Cans!!!!
You guys watch out now... There's a new truck in town. And I'm
driving. I suggest you just pull to the side of the road. ;-)
The Dog
WARDOG wrote:
>
> I have a F-250 XLT Kingcab 4X4 with 8' bed. During the sailing season I
> have a 9.5'
> Lance overhead camper on it with THE rack of all racks off the back for
> stacking boards vertically ,a Delta Aluminum diamond plate storage box for
> all the rigging stuff and a stainless boom rack. Then come
> surfing/sailing season, ie.. soon, I put my shell on it and have a
> monster truck that everything fits inside with tiered bed racks. As far as
> versatility , it's hard to beat.
[snip]
> SUV's are way too small for my scenario and I hate trailers.4X4 vans are
> nice, but no inside shower, toilet or queen size bed for the wife and
> they are noisier inside..rattle ,rattle...and the gear is in the way, good
> for a single guy or single sailor. Couples that sail, complicate the
> logistics, and then add a couple of dogs.....mountain bikes,
> motorcycles,surfboards, fishing and diving gear.........where the hell do
> I put the beer?!!!
>
--
Brian "The Dog" Cunningham
http://web2.airmail.net/bcunning
Some days you're the dog,
and some days you're the hydrant.
Monty
I'm doing the same trip December this year and chose a 90 VN Commodore
wagon. Can you give any suggestions about which route to take - is there
more than one ? I'll be leaving from Canberra and was planning on going
across to Adelaide before following the coast around to Perth.
Also what would you recommend equipment wise. I imagine my early planing
Canberra gear will be useless in the Indian ocean. Should I just buy the
stuff over there ? I think I'll use a 250 wave and 260 slalom, but I'm not
sure. I also need s few smaller sails - I've never needed anything smaller
than a 5.7 before !
Finally what would be your recommended sailing spots ?
Cheers
Monty
Andrew B. Watkins <awat...@buster.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au> wrote in
article <7tc814$8m$1...@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au>...
> In article <37F8D16C...@nortelnetworks.com>,
> Misiak, Tom <tmi...@nortelnetworks.com> wrote:
> >I'm a bit surprised that nobody brought up station wagons. I was
thinking
> >about a VW Passat wagon, Volvo, or Subaru for my next windsurfing
vehicle.
> > ...I'm not sure if one of these wagons with 4x4 could be used
> >on a beach...
>
> G'day Tom (and others),
> I've used a Subaru Liberty 4x4 station wagon for windsurfing for 18
months
> now, and it has been great. Boards are easy to access on the roof,
> or if I am on my own I can even fit my 275 AND 292 inside the car,
> as well as mast, boom, sails and the bits and pieces. As for 4x4
> on the beach, well check out the photos on:
> http://mullara.met.unimelb.edu.au:8080/WA
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Frank Weston
Frank Weston - '99 F250 SD, turbo diesel, 4X4.
The Dog wrote in message
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The Dog
Here's why -
#1) 7.3 V8 Diesel Option - $4250 MSRP. Even with haggling, I'd
have been lucky to get this number under $4k. The F350 SD Crew
Cab's are rare enough that the dealers don't feel much need to
come down on price. Count on spending at least $1k over invoice
for one on a lot. Of all the dealers I talked to (and it was a
bunch), the best deal I could find was $500 over. But It was
gonna take at least 8 weeks to get here. A problem.
#2) A diesel is a great deal if you're gonna put lots and lots of
miles on it every year. I'm not. I bought this thing as a toy.
I'll drive it on weekends. If I put 5k miles a year on it, I'll be
surprised. Seems like a waste of capacity. Which leads too...
#3) Maintenance. Diesel maintenance is about twice as expensive
as gasoline vehicle maintenance. And you DO NOT stretch the oil
changes past 3k miles on a turbo. Don't Do It. Bad Idea.
#4) Fuel cost. The diesel may be more fuel efficient, but it's more
expensive fuel too. $4250 buys a whole bunch of gasoline. I
figure about 35k miles worth.
#5) Fuel availibility. I can get 87 octane fuel at every corner
here in Dallas. Diesel is a bit more of a problem. Technically,
it wouldn't matter since most of my miles will be highway miles.
But I can't tell you where the closest station with diesel is to
my house.
#6) Weight. I didn't want to lose payload (as opposed to towing
capacity) to a diesel. The engine is a bit heavier on the front
end. I'm gonna load the bed of the truck. The more margin I have
on GVWR and GCWR, the happier I'll be and the better the truck will
handle. A minor point, I know...
#7) Transmission. I wanted an auto tranny. I'm not 100% convinced
that the Ford tranny will have the same longevity when hooked up
to 500 ft-lbs of torque. And a buddy with the diesel and auto wishes
he had a 6-speed now.
#8) Velocity. Screw the mileage, I want to be able to go down the
highway at 80mph on occasion. My diesel driving buddies strongly
discourage this activity with the Powerstroke.
#9) Have you driven the V-10? It runs like a ruptured duck. This
is a damn strong motor. It develops 425 ft lbs of torque at relatively
low RPMS (something like 2200). I gotta be real careful at lights
or I'll be buying new tires. Of course, the 4.30 rear-end might have
something to do with it.
#10) The kicker... Availibility. Despite the fact that this is Texas
and there are about 50 dealers within 50 miles of the house, I was
having trouble finding F-350 SD XLT's. I could have ordered what I
wanted, but it wouldn't have been here in time for our annual coast
trip. Of all the trucks I saw/heard about, this was the one closest
to what I wanted. If it had come with a diesel, I might have bought
it anyway. But being a cheap bastard, I just couldn't justify any
of the trucks with diesel. Seems all of them were Lariats with fancy
interiors and goofy paint. Seems like those aren't trucks for work.
More like "vanity trucks." My truck with diesel instead of gas just
wasn't out there. Most are sold before they even hit the lot.
And I spent less on this truck than most people spend on their SUV's,
Honda's and such. With price out the door of right around $30k, I'm
pretty dang happy.
But most of the year 2000 Super Duties will be diesels. Ford is only
building 3% of them with the V-10. All the rest of the V-10's are
headed for the Excursion assembly line.
Anwyay...
Back to work
The Dog
In article <7tfdc6$jh8$1...@nw001t.infi.net>,
"Frank Weston" <kla...@annap.infi.net> wrote:
> I can't believe you didn't get the diesel.
>
> Frank Weston - '99 F250 SD, turbo diesel, 4X4.
>
> The Dog wrote:
> >Hey Wardog,
> >
> >I might have one-uped ya... Got a shiny new 2000 F-350 Super Duty
> >sitting out in the driveway. Crew Cab, long bed, dually, V-10.
--
Rome did not create a great empire by having meetings,
They did it by killing all those who opposed them.
WARDOG
http://www.homestead.com/moondawgz/TRUCKIN.html
This bad boy has Rancho 9000 adjustables, Firestone Ride-Rite airbags,
Top of the line Michelin load range E shoes, K&N filter, Doug Thorley headers,
Jacobs Ultra-team computer, coil, distributor, and wires,Baja Daylighters,
racks for racks, sick sound system, CB radio, Top of the line Lance 9'6" camper
with solar panels , Serta mattress.....yada ,yada, yada.....Oh yeah, it's a 4X4,
7.5 liter 460 somabitch!!! Did I mention the rack of all racks?
Move along folks.....nothing more to see here.
Remember, it's not the size of the truck in the fight, it's the size of the
fight in the truck!!!
The Dog wrote:
> Hey Wardog,
>
> I might have one-uped ya... Got a shiny new 2000 F-350 Super Duty
> sitting out in the driveway. Crew Cab, long bed, dually, V-10.
The Dog
I don't think so!!! ;-)
You're gonna have to give me just a few more days.
I've only had it since Friday. And about half that
stuff you have, they haven't even developed for the
2000 model year trucks. I've already tried to do
the K&N filter upgrade. But the Lance 1030 should
be hanging off the ass end by next week. Add a little
class 5 Titan hitch for pulling my beer trailer...
err, board trailer, and there'll be a new Dog in town.
One question... Where do you mount your Ma Duece? I
haven't found a good place to bolt up the pintle yet.
;-)
The Dog
---
Rome did not create a great empire by having meetings,
They did it by killing all those who opposed them.
In article <37FB2B4C...@gte.net>,
NLW TFW NM
I've ben asking drivers, mechanics, engine builders, RV shop owners, magazines,
and anyone else whom might have an opinion for years now about whether I should
buy diesel or a BIG gas engine in my next van and small RV. The overwhelming
majority, virtually 100%, say, "Buy the big block gas engine option".
Rationale:
* Big block gas engines have gotten much more reliable in recent years, partly
due to better internal lubrication which allow them to approach diesels in
longevity.
* Big gas engines are starting to get real close to diesels in torque for
powering big trucks pulling big boats.
* Fuel costs favor diesels, but maintenance costs, even for professional auto
techs who do their own maintenance and get deep parts discounts, wipe out the
fuel savings.
* Get a bit of water past your diesel fuel filters and your lifetime fuel
savings just went down the tubes, and that's just a small part of the exacting
maintenance schedules diesels demand to live long and prosper.
* Diesel fuel does not evaporate fully. You're walking in the stuff the last
100 guys spilled when you gas up, tracking it into your vehicle, and breathing
it for the next 300,000 miles.
* You can replace a gas engine, maybe almost twice, for the price of a diesel
option.
There were other reasons virtually every person I asked favored gas engines
(most of them had used diesels in years past but switched recently), but they
already had me convinced to go gas next time so I forget the other rationale.
Does this belong in rec.ws? Well, we all drive oor gear to the water, don't we?
Mike \m/
Roger Nightingale
Damn! - you ever worry about getting rear ended? And I know there's
got to be some arroyos on the road to paradise that will hang that
thing up. How do you handle that?
Roger
WARDOG wrote:
>
> I don't think so!!!
> http://www.homestead.com/moondawgz/TRUCKIN.html
>
--
Roger Nightingale
Duke University
Department of Biomedical Engineering
WARDOG
Drawtite in two 6" increments.
I used 1/4" square tubing and it's attached to the bumper of the camper.
Oh, Dog.....I forgot to mention the extra 50gallon fuel tank in addition
to the standard 20.
No problems hanging it up on the way to paradise. It has legal lighting.
charlesivey
This reply is to no one in particular and to all who responded to the
question of what I should get to haul windsurfing gear around.
What great information, and I must conclude, as a group, windsurfers have
written the book on "diversity".
I made my purchase. I will not be the biggest, or the highest, or the
roomiest, or the most powerful, and I probably should not get too far down
the beach in deep sand... But I will be comfortable and have a great ride
with fantastic sound and aminities. I might be the smoothest ride, but most
importantly, I can get my stuff to the water and I can also take the darn
thing to dinner... I bought a Lexus RX300.
I know, some think I wimped out. I almost got a van or minivan -- most
seemed to like that solution. I almost got a Land Crusier, but figured I
would never windsurf in the Africa jungle or on top of the Andes.
Thank you all ... This topic was pretty interesting.
Charles Ivey
Frank Weston
but the best is the noise they make. If I want real fun I get up early on
trash day and cruise the neighborhood just to watch the ladies in their
housecoats and curlers run down their driveways with full trashcans. This
excitement alone is worth the extra $4k. Yea, I know, what you're thinking,
but it hasn't been very windy here lately.
Frank Weston
The Dog wrote in message <7tg317$5ib$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>You know, Frank... I thought about it. But I decided not to.
>Here's why -.
Frank Weston
Seriously, the bottom line for me is I tow a BIG trailer lots of miles for
work. No gas engine will come close to the performance of a diesel for
towing and heavy loads. Towing at 65 I get twice the mileage with a diesel
as I got from my previous gas engine. Gas here is now about $1.40, diesel
is available for $1.05. Annual fuel costs for 20,000 miles of diesel towing
run about $1400, for gas, about $4000. I run a bypass oil filter and the
engine is in an oil analysis program running synthetic oil. The only engine
maintenance I have done in the past year and a half is to clean the air
filter and check the oil level and top off as necessary. In two years of
ownership I will more than have paid off the additional cost of the diesel,
and when I sell the truck I will recoup another part of that original
investment. There's a reason the big rigs are diesel, and the reason is
economy under heavy use.
On the other hand, if you don't tow much, and you do go off road a lot, a
diesel is not necessarily the best idea. Too much weight up front is a
handicap going down a sandy beach. Of course being able to go 700 plus
miles on the standard tank does have some advantages in remote areas.
Frank Weston
NLW TFW NM wrote in message
<19991006150701...@ng-co1.aol.com>...
The Dog
>
> There's lots of reasons for diesel, including towing ability and mileage,
> but the best is the noise they make.
You're definitely one of the folks who would have appreciated
my 55 Bel Air before I mothballed it. Talk about disturbing
the neighbors! The engine note alone was enough, but the stereo
I had in it... Boy Howdy!
> If I want real fun I get up early on
> trash day and cruise the neighborhood just to watch the ladies in their
> housecoats and curlers run down their driveways with full trashcans. This
> excitement alone is worth the extra $4k. Yea, I know, what you're thinking,
> but it hasn't been very windy here lately.
I guess not! ;-)
> The Dog wrote in message <7tg317$5ib$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
> >You know, Frank... I thought about it. But I decided not to.
> >Here's why -.
> >
> >#1) 7.3 V8 Diesel Option - $4250
--
The Dog
>
> I'll post a closeup sometime.....it's offset up 12" from my truck's
> Drawtite in two 6" increments.
No close-ups, Please!!!! That thing's ugly enough as it is in the
current views. ;-)
> I used 1/4" square tubing and it's attached to the bumper of the camper.
You mean 1.25" don't you? 1/4" is kind on anemic.
And I'd be worried about the five-fingered non-brahs helping themselves
with that setup. How do you secure it from walking off?
> Oh, Dog.....I forgot to mention the extra 50gallon fuel tank in addition
> to the standard 20.
Standard 20?! My standard is 38. But like I said... gimme some time.
There's a sweet add-on that fits where the spare is (which I don't think
I'll be able to get at anyway once I add the class V hitch). I think
it would get me to 70+ gallons. Not sure. How's the mileage on your
rig anyway? I'm expecting single digits with the way I drive.
But the first priority is camper. We'll roll from there.
Speaking of campers, how old is yours and how has it held up in
rough driving? Couple of buds have them, but neither of those
is very old. Heard lots of good things still. The one we plan
on getting is here:
http://www.lancecamper.com/html/match/1010.html
They've quoted us a pretty good price we think. Has most of the
bells and whistles, but no generator. No biggie there. Awnings
front and side, 3-way fridge, oven. Usual stuff. Will probably
do the same thing you did with solar panels.
> No problems hanging it up on the way to paradise. It has legal lighting.
Wardog... You really need to go drive one of these V-10's. I chirped
tires without really trying. Just leave your checkbook and title at
home.
Later
The Dog
Tauras
The Dog wrote in message > http://www.lancecamper.com/html/match/1010.html
>
>They've quoted us a pretty good price we think. Has most of the
>bells and whistles, but no generator. No biggie there. Awnings
>front and side, 3-way fridge, oven. Usual stuff. Will probably
>do the same thing you did with solar panels.
If you are going to buy new cabover make sure its on a metal frame. Too many
wooden framed campers will sag over time and abuse from driving on bumpy
roads will begin to part the seams and leak. You take a tremendous hit
buying those campers new. Like 40% to drive it off the lot new. Best bet is
a few year old camper some old folks got then decided to go 5th wheel. The
dough you save will more than pay for a new ride and quiver of sails.
Diessel is the bomb! Get it if you can afford it but I'd go with the dodge
since that hog of a bigblock on the ford is soo cramped in the body its hard
to change the back glow-plugs. Plus the Dodge cummins engine is a 500,000+
engine and has good power. The Ford is the old IH engine which is fine
refined motor in use in many farm implements but very heavy and BIG. Crwal
under one and look around. Might not be ideal for floating on the sand. I
had a '85 F-250 diessel, trouble free while I owned it and good resale
value, but ford paintjobs in the mid 1980's sucked and the truck rusted
FAST!
Tauras
California Surf, Sail & Kite Forecast
http://www.slonet.org/~tsulaiti/surfreport/
The Dog
I had my 1990 Screamer redecked last week. Sweet! Where's
the wind? I'm jonesing.
Tauras wrote:
>
> If you are going to buy new cabover make sure its on a metal frame. Too many
> wooden framed campers will sag over time and abuse from driving on bumpy
> roads will begin to part the seams and leak. You take a tremendous hit
> buying those campers new. Like 40% to drive it off the lot new. Best bet is
> a few year old camper some old folks got then decided to go 5th wheel. The
> dough you save will more than pay for a new ride and quiver of sails.
If you can find me a used slide-in in decent shape in N. Texas, I'll
look at it. But I'll be damned if I can find it. I've used most of
the usual net sources, and come up pretty much blank. If I lived in
Washington state or [shudder] California, I'd be in much better shape
for finding a used one. But folks in North Texas either don't buy truck
campers or maybe just never sell them. They're harder to find than
wind.
Wife and I did a bunch of hunting, looking, thinking on this whole RV
subject. We've looked at everything from new tents to 40+ foot buses.
I got a good handle on what's out there and what's not. As several
people have said, everything we do vehicle wise is a compromise. We've
chosen ours. And judging by the number of board heads doing the same
thing, we can't be that far off.
As for wood frame versus metal frame, a crap camper is still crap.
Since I won't be driving on roads any rougher than what the state
paves, I'm not gonna worry too much about it. I'm buying what's
available without driving for three days to get it. That's a
definite advantage folks in the Northwest have. Everyone in Texas
seems to like butt-big buses.
> Diessel is the bomb! Get it if you can afford it but I'd go with the dodge
> since that hog of a bigblock on the ford is soo cramped in the body its hard
> to change the back glow-plugs. Plus the Dodge cummins engine is a 500,000+
> engine and has good power. The Ford is the old IH engine which is fine
> refined motor in use in many farm implements but very heavy and BIG. Crwal
> under one and look around.
Not sure what hoods you've been looking under, but the 7.3 Powerstroke
ain't that big. In fact, it's quite a bit smaller than the V-10, even
though the displacement is higher. I haven't quite figure that one
out.
And the Cummins would be a fine choice if it didn't come in a Dodge.
They've got no crew cab setup and a terrible reputation around here.
Add to that the reports of badly busted up front ends because of the
weight... The Dodge just ain't enough truck for that motor.
I won't even go into the anemic Chevy Diesel.
For 1999-2000, Ford has the truck. Now when Chevy comes out with the
Duramax diesel and the new heavy trucks in 2001, thinks may change.
But unless your using it like Frank W, a diesel makes almost zero
financial sense. If you just want one, that's cool with me. Like I
said, I'm cheap. I wanted one, but not for $4250. That buys a bunch
of gear too.
> Might not be ideal for floating on the sand. I
> had a '85 F-250 diessel, trouble free while I owned it and good resale
> value, but ford paintjobs in the mid 1980's sucked and the truck rusted
> FAST!
I think all paint jobs in the mid to late 80's sucked. The one on my
'88 Chevy sure did. It's mostly because they tried to go without primer
after they started using zinc coated body panels. Big mistake. I
think they learned that lesson after spending a few billions on
repaints.
Later...
The Dog
I meant to ask you earlier if you ever run into a couple
in Baja by the name of Mark and Rose. They're from
Arkansas, but until last year, they traveled full time.
They've got a red Ford extended cab with a slide in, and
they pull a 12' white trailer. They used to drive down
to Baja every year. I see them every year in Corpus.
Tauras
The Dog wrote in message ...
>Just so that this is on topic...
>
>I had my 1990 Screamer redecked last week. Sweet! Where's
>the wind? I'm jonesing.
>
>Tauras wrote:
>>
>> If you are going to buy new cabover make sure its on a metal frame. Too
many
>> wooden framed campers will sag over time and abuse from driving on bumpy
>> roads will begin to part the seams and leak. You take a tremendous hit
>> buying those campers new. Like 40% to drive it off the lot new. Best bet
is
>> a few year old camper some old folks got then decided to go 5th wheel.
The
>> dough you save will more than pay for a new ride and quiver of sails.
>
>If you can find me a used slide-in in decent shape in N. Texas, I'll
>look at it. But I'll be damned if I can find it. I've used most of
>the usual net sources, and come up pretty much blank. If I lived in
>Washington state or [shudder] California, I'd be in much better shape
>for finding a used one. But folks in North Texas either don't buy truck
>campers or maybe just never sell them. They're harder to find than
>wind.
Yeah califonia sucks, my largest sail is a 5.2 and I can get over 100 days
per year on the sinker riding waves, while maintaining my 200 lbs+ brew
gut... kind of makes me want to move to 100 degree windless n. texas, I mean
windy cold as N texas winter wonderland ;)
>For 1999-2000, Ford has the truck. Now when Chevy comes out with the
>Duramax diesel and the new heavy trucks in 2001, thinks may change.
>But unless your using it like Frank W, a diesel makes almost zero
>financial sense. If you just want one, that's cool with me. Like I
>said, I'm cheap. I wanted one, but not for $4250. That buys a bunch
>of gear too.
Go with what works for you. Here in CA diessels need no smog check, that
means no fine tuning ever necessary. Fuel is more than gas but gas mileage
is way better especially on new rigs (getting close to 20 these days). Seems
OPEC will drive prices up to 2.00 in a year or two so once again major cost
for new rigs will shift to fuel consumption and not asset (or better put
these days, liability) depreciation. My '85 250 did 14 MPG with a HUGE
cabover. Gas versions are lucky to get 8-10. If you're traveling lots it all
adds up. But don't listen to me I live on the coast and sold my rig and now
walk or carpool to play in the waves... its kind of liberating not having a
road hog to slop.
charlesivey
experiences, I just sent it to you via email rather than post it here.
Charles Ivey
CLAM193 <cla...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19991006211627...@ng-ci1.aol.com...
> Charles:
>
> Would you comment on your Starboard Go board and rig? I remember your
post
> and am curious how you rate the "Go." Thanks.
CLAM193
WARDOG
The Dog wrote:
> WARDOG wrote:
> >
> > I'll post a closeup sometime.....it's offset up 12" from my truck's
> > Drawtite in two 6" increments.
>
> No close-ups, Please!!!! That thing's ugly enough as it is in the
> current views. ;-)
Easy there cowboy.....don't diss my rack!
> > I used 1/4" square tubing and it's attached to the bumper of the camper.
>
> You mean 1.25" don't you? 1/4" is kind on anemic.
1/4" wall thickness.......2" O.D.
> And I'd be worried about the five-fingered non-brahs helping themselves
> with that setup. How do you secure it from walking off?
1/2" cables........alarm system....two dogs.....my buddies Smith & Wesson
> > Oh, Dog.....I forgot to mention the extra 50gallon fuel tank in addition
> > to the standard 20.
>
> Standard 20?! My standard is 38. But like I said... gimme some time.
> There's a sweet add-on that fits where the spare is (which I don't think
> I'll be able to get at anyway once I add the class V hitch). I think
> it would get me to 70+ gallons. Not sure. How's the mileage on your
> rig anyway? I'm expecting single digits with the way I drive.
double digits with my Leer shell on.
> But the first priority is camper. We'll roll from there.
>
> Speaking of campers, how old is yours and how has it held up in
> rough driving? Couple of buds have them, but neither of those
> is very old. Heard lots of good things still. The one we plan
> on getting is here:
1996.....Lance holds up better than the rest of them.....I'm taking my older
one down to my property in the Baja. Too many San Carlos trips.....Don't get
the Squire or Squire lite.
> http://www.lancecamper.com/html/match/1010.html
>
> They've quoted us a pretty good price we think. Has most of the
> bells and whistles, but no generator. No biggie there. Awnings
> front and side, 3-way fridge, oven. Usual stuff. Will probably
> do the same thing you did with solar panels.
>
> > No problems hanging it up on the way to paradise. It has legal lighting.
>
> Wardog... You really need to go drive one of these V-10's. I chirped
> tires without really trying. Just leave your checkbook and title at
> home.
Let's race for titles........Later
MagForce7
Ian Knight
weather. The magnet in the crank shaft position sensor fails at a
certain temperature recovering when it cools a bit - symptoms - drive
for 5 minutes park for 1 hour - a long way across the Nullabor. I'll
never forgive mine for not getting me from Canberra to Broulee one
classic N Easter day. Take a squirt bottle to cool the sensor with
water.
But I'm a Canberran who has dabbled in the Indian Ocean - ( not via the
VN) I know a few good transitionary spots in the SW.
The Inlet at Augusta - a speed course.
Have a look at Margaret River - not for a lake sailor.
The inlet at Australind - a bit shallow but the boat channel near the
Ampol servo is great in a SW wind.
Binningup - real ocean - but offshore reefs take out the shore break -
no worries for a lake sailor. Head out to the NW between the Cray fish
pots.
If Binningup gets too much- the north end of Lake Preston.
Safety Bay - Got a "Should've been here yesterday" - but the locals were
well equipped with big sails?
Ian
The Dog
> Yeah califonia sucks
Well... you got that part right at least. ;-)
[The Dog freely admits taking Tauras' statements out of context.
I couldn't resist.]
T, I got no problems with the weather, wind and outdoors of
California. If outdoors California weren't in political
California, I'd move in a heart beat.
My problem with California is that I'd have to leave about
half my non-wind toys at the border. Not to mention relatively
high cost of living versus relatively low income for people in
my profession (E.E.). Plus, Dallas is the telecom corridor.
That's what I do. But even with unlimited wind and temperatures
here in Dallas, I'd probably never get 100 days of sailing in.
I'm addicted to having fun, no just to having a sail.
And I've got enough goofy relatives out there as it is. I
don't need to add to the nut pile.
> Go with what works for you. Here in CA diessels need no smog check,
that
> means no fine tuning ever necessary. Fuel is more than gas but gas
mileage
> is way better especially on new rigs (getting close to 20 these days).
Seems
> OPEC will drive prices up to 2.00 in a year or two so once again major
cost
> for new rigs will shift to fuel consumption and not asset (or better
put
> these days, liability) depreciation. My '85 250 did 14 MPG with a HUGE
> cabover. Gas versions are lucky to get 8-10. If you're traveling lots
it all
> adds up. But don't listen to me I live on the coast and sold my rig
and now
> walk or carpool to play in the waves... its kind of liberating not
having a
> road hog to slop.
Can't argue the mileage issues. Don't now about gas vs. diesel
EPA issues in Dallas, but port injected gas engines are a lot
easier to tune that any old carb motor. In 12 years of my old
truck, I failed one smog test. Needed a new EGR valve. It
was TBI fueled. That's it.
What I know is that the $4250 I saved not buying a diesel is gonna
buy me about 6-7 *years* of gasoline at our current pump prices
(which is about $1.12/gallon). So why would I buy a diesel when
I don't need the power? In my circumstances, diesel just ain't
a good fit. Why waste a good diesel motor on a vehicle that might
see 5k miles a year? Makes sense to me.
Anyway... Enjoy what you have. Just don't expect me to be envious
(except maybe the walking to work/water part).
Later...
The Dog
--
Rome did not create a great empire by having meetings,
They did it by killing all those who opposed them.
The Dog
moon...@gte.net wrote:
>
> The Dog wrote:
>
> > No close-ups, Please!!!! That thing's ugly enough as it is in the
> > current views. ;-)
>
> Easy there cowboy.....don't diss my rack!
Easy yourself Wardog... I wasn't dissing the rack. As
one welder to another, it's truly a fine example of engineering
ingenuity and a thing of beauty.
The truck on the other hand.... ;-)
JOKE!
> > You mean 1.25" don't you? 1/4" is kind on anemic.
>
> 1/4" wall thickness.......2" O.D.
Makes more sense. Just not used to hearing tube referred
to by wall thickness. Knew the picture showed something
relatively big. But 2" square 10-12 ga weighs something
like 2lbs/linear foot. Your rack must weigh a bunch. I'd
have figured 1.5" or even 1.25" square would have been enough.
I'd really like to see it up close sometime.
> > And I'd be worried about the five-fingered non-brahs helping
themselves
> > with that setup. How do you secure it from walking off?
>
> 1/2" cables........alarm system....two dogs.....my buddies Smith &
Wesson
Should be enough. But I hope you leave your buddies north of
the border when you head south. Would hate to read about another
Norte Americano getting tagged.
[on mileage, Wardog sez:]
>
> double digits with my Leer shell on.
Sounds like 11-12mpg if you drive like me.
I'm not quite that optimistic. But I'll know more at
the end of the month.
> Don't get the Squire or Squire lite.
Gotcha. Hadn't planned too.
> > Wardog... You really need to go drive one of these V-10's. I
chirped
> > tires without really trying. Just leave your checkbook and title at
> > home.
>
> Let's race for titles........Later
Loaded or Unloaded? ;-)
Like I said. Go drive one. I think you'd be impressed. Just
don't blame me if you buy one.
Tauras
The Dog wrote in message <7tibc1$ohh$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>T, I got no problems with the weather, wind and outdoors of
>California. If outdoors California weren't in political
>California, I'd move in a heart beat.
Yeah we got politics but we also got out of state corporations that buy
influence to build smokestacks on the beaches... guess we are kind of like
Texas ;)
>My problem with California is that I'd have to leave about
>half my non-wind toys at the border. Not to mention relatively
>high cost of living versus relatively low income for people in
>my profession (E.E.). Plus, Dallas is the telecom corridor.
>That's what I do. But even with unlimited wind and temperatures
>here in Dallas, I'd probably never get 100 days of sailing in.
>I'm addicted to having fun, no just to having a sail.
Hmm what toys can those be? Sand rail buggies, well we have beaches that
allow those, hmm how about fast cars..., we got loads of stips around.. hmm
snowboards/skis? Yep we got that covered October to June in the mountains...
maybe fishing, yeah its been a slow year, only 20-70 lbs albacore 20 miles
offshore, no bag limits... motor boats we have lake until the next drought
then there is always the ocean ;)
EE jobs? I hear 6 figure salaries for those are common in most places... and
yes high cost of living to keep most away... we like it that way ;)
>And I've got enough goofy relatives out there as it is. I
>don't need to add to the nut pile.
Aaaa haa say no more!
Best to stay away from CA we are filled up with nuts ;)
WARDOG
The Dog wrote:
> Your rack must weigh a bunch. I'd
> have figured 1.5" or even 1.25" square would have been enough.
> I'd really like to see it up close sometime.
The main connection to the truck and camper is 2"......the frame is 1".
If I charged 2 bits for ever somabitch that wanted to see her close up, I
could probably afford a truck like yours......but with 4X4 or $X$........
Did I fail to point out that when I pull the rack off in Baja and lay a
piece of plywood
on it laying horizontally it can seat 10 sailors........or if I drape a
canvas tarp around it ,it makes a great windblock for my outside shower?
> > > Wardog... You really need to go drive one of these V-10's. I
> chirped
> > > tires without really trying. Just leave your checkbook and title at
> > > home.
> >
> > Let's race for titles........Later
>
> Loaded or Unloaded? ;-)
Do you guys still drink and drive in Tejas? We can get loaded AFTER I take
your title!
The Dog
> Yeah we got politics but we also got out of state corporations that
buy
> influence to build smokestacks on the beaches... guess we are kind of
like
> Texas ;)
Yeah could be... Except I think a lot of our stacks are homegrown.
> Hmm what toys can those be? Sand rail buggies, well we have beaches
that
> allow those, hmm how about fast cars..., we got loads of stips
around.. hmm
> snowboards/skis? Yep we got that covered October to June in the
mountains...
> maybe fishing, yeah its been a slow year, only 20-70 lbs albacore 20
miles
> offshore, no bag limits... motor boats we have lake until the next
drought
> then there is always the ocean ;)
Well... Let's just say that some of my less PC toys are related
to Wardog's buddies, Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson. Though mine have
names that orginate offshore. Like in Germany, Israel and Russia.
Though if I wanted to come to CA, I'm not sure that CA law enforcement
could do much to stop me, considering all the luck they've had
with their SKS buyback problem. I'd just rather not break any
of "those kinds of laws," no matter how stupid I think they are.
As for snow. Forget it. I'm strictly a warm weather Dog. Fast
cars on strips?!? You must be some kind of communist! ;-)
I do off-road bike, and hear it's great out there. But then I've
also read about all the biker/eco-weenie confrontations that are
going on.
Frankly, CA has too damn many laws IMO.
> EE jobs? I hear 6 figure salaries for those are common in most
places... and
> yes high cost of living to keep most away... we like it that way ;)
You mean I'd have to settle for six-figures? That does it!
No way I'm moving to California. ;-)
But seriously, last time I even considered it, they couldn't
afford me. I figure a minimum of a 35% raise is required just
to cover the higher cost of housing. Add in the other ways CA
is more, and it quickly climbs over 60%. Then if I tried to
move back to the world from CA... You get the picture.
Yeah... I understand there are area that aren't as expensive.
But most engineering isn't done in the wine country. Seems
a shame. For the field I'm in, I'm living where I need to live.
And living in Dallas is relatively cheap. Just slightly over
the national average.
But send wind.
> >And I've got enough goofy relatives out there as it is. I
> >don't need to add to the nut pile.
>
> Aaaa haa say no more!
>
> Best to stay away from CA we are filled up with nuts ;)
My point exactly. I want to stand out in a crowd.
Wouldn't be able to do that in Cal with people like
you and Wardog and Andreas running aroung. [snicker]
The Dog
moon...@gte.net wrote:
> The main connection to the truck and camper is 2"......the frame is
1".
Aaaah. Making more sense all the time.
> If I charged 2 bits for ever somabitch that wanted to see her close
up, I
> could probably afford a truck like yours......but with 4X4 or
$X$........
Then at least you'd have a truck as fast as you claim. ;-)
And if I charged money for people to look in my trailer, the bank
wouldn't have the title to my truck right now.
> > > Let's race for titles........Later
> >
> > Loaded or Unloaded? ;-)
>
> Do you guys still drink and drive in Tejas? We can get loaded AFTER I
take
> your title!
;-) Big words from someone driving a truck that ugly.
(just how fast do you think this truck of yours is?)
Nope. No DUI anymore for this Dog. They lowered the limit to 0.08.
But I've always tried to be good. A DUI charge just ain't worth
the hassle. Hell! I won't even drive and use a cell phone at the
same time. Too many Barneys out there prove it's unsafe every day.
Be Safe, Have Fun. Later....
Den Fox
figures, but I just calculated the Currency Exchange and Litres to US
Gallons........and I feel faint. In Europe Petrol (Gas?) costs us$3.52 to
4.69. Stop talking about 10 litre engines! Nothing to do with windsurfing!
Europe £0.60 to 0.80 / Ltr
£1 = 1.55 (?)
1 us Gallon = 3.78 Ltrs
Den :-(
The Dog
> I knew it! Stop rubbing our noses in it! Its' not fair!
> Please check my figures, but I just calculated the Currency
> Exchange and Litres to US Gallons........and I feel faint. In
> Europe Petrol (Gas?) costs us$3.52 to 4.69.
Hey... You didn't think all that health care you have was
actually free, did ya? ;-)
So what are the government taxes on a litre of petrol in
the UK? In the U.S., they'd be around $0.10us/litre.
> Stop talking about 10 litre engines! Nothing to do with windsurfing!
We weren't talking about 10 liter motors. We were talking about
10 cylinder 6.8 liter motors. And unless you live on the water
like Taurus, you need some kind of vehicle, right? Plus those of
us who can't say no to good deals need big motors to haul all the
gear. So it has everything to do with windsurfing...
But a 10 liter motor would be cool. Heh heh heh heh
The Dog
Will work for beer, will beg for wind
Tauras
The Dog wrote in message <7tinbs$25m$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>> Best to stay away from CA we are filled up with nuts ;)
>
>My point exactly. I want to stand out in a crowd.
>Wouldn't be able to do that in Cal with people like
>you and Wardog and Andreas running aroung. [snicker]
Just cause I don't have wheels doesn't mean I always run around. Lots of
armed nuts in our hills. I can see TX being the place to be if you need a
whole load of personnal protection and be in the right legal light ;)
Got to run... winds picking up but I have to work :(
The Dog
> Just cause I don't have wheels doesn't mean I always run around. Lots of
> armed nuts in our hills. I can see TX being the place to be if you need a
> whole load of personnal protection and be in the right legal light ;)
Need Smeed. I do it because I like to... That fact that it pisses off
the likes of Sarah Brady, Bill Clinton and Diane Fienstein is icing on
the
cake. I'm just a full fledged toy junkie. But I especially like things
that go boom. Truth be known, I haven't been shooting in a couple of
years. Used to burn thru upwards of 30k rounds a year. No mas. But it
hasn't stopped me from expanding my collection of politically incorrect
toys. I'm into muzzle loaders and pre-1900 stuff right now. Got me
a "new" 1860 Henry Rifle. Sweeeeeeeet.
No, CA definitely doesn't want me to move there.
The Dog
--
Brian "The Dog" Cunningham
http://web2.airmail.net/bcunning
Some days you're the dog,
and some days you're the hydrant.
ralph...@my-deja.com
I noticed you mentioned a bypass filter on your diesel. My Ford 6.9
has bypass filters on lube oil, fuel, ATF, powersteering and cooling
system. I get at least twice the fuel economy as a big block gas
pulling a camper. It is hard to beat a gas engine for some types of
use. The company has a Ford van with a 302 gas V8. It has over 300,000
miles and is used for light delivery. For just jumping in and going its
great. My wife hasn't developed a liking for smelly exhausts or diesel
fuel on her hands or puddles of diesel fuel at the pumps. She drives a
Olds Cutlass Sierra V 6 diesel which she like for me to fuel up. We
don't drain the oil on any of the rigs. We change the bypass filters
and add a qt of new oil. Thats all you need unless you blow a head
gasket or something and get antifreeze in the oil.
Ralph
In article <7tghbm$lfl$1...@nw001t.infi.net>,
"Frank Weston" <kla...@annap.infi.net> wrote:
> See my previous response on this subject.
>
> Seriously, the bottom line for me is I tow a BIG trailer lots of
miles for
> work. No gas engine will come close to the performance of a diesel
for
> towing and heavy loads. Towing at 65 I get twice the mileage with a
diesel
> as I got from my previous gas engine. Gas here is now about $1.40,
diesel
> is available for $1.05. Annual fuel costs for 20,000 miles of diesel
towing
> run about $1400, for gas, about $4000. I run a bypass oil filter and
the
> engine is in an oil analysis program running synthetic oil. The only
engine
> maintenance I have done in the past year and a half is to clean the
air
> filter and check the oil level and top off as necessary. In two
years of
> ownership I will more than have paid off the additional cost of the
diesel,
> and when I sell the truck I will recoup another part of that original
> investment. There's a reason the big rigs are diesel, and the reason
is
> economy under heavy use.
>
> On the other hand, if you don't tow much, and you do go off road a
lot, a
> diesel is not necessarily the best idea. Too much weight up front is
a
> handicap going down a sandy beach. Of course being able to go 700
plus
> miles on the standard tank does have some advantages in remote areas.
>
> Frank Weston
>
Monty
want to have to be stopping too much across the desert. Won't the engine be
running cool enough with 120kph breezes blowing through it anyway ?
thanks for the tips
Monty
Ian Knight <ian.k...@ffp.csiro.au> wrote in article
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