Sail Size V Wind Speed
Duncan Lovett
the conditions, I don't have to take all my sails.
0-10 mph ?
10-15 mph ?
15-20 mph ?
20-25 mpg ?
25-30 mph ?
30-35 mph ?
35-40 mph ?
40+ mph ?
Thanks
Duncan
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Eyes4Hire
(race vs. slalom vs. wave. For me at 175 lbs on slalom to bump & jump gear:
0-10 mph ? kayak or land sailor
10-15 mph ? 7.0
15-20 mph ? 7.0 - 6.0
20-25 mpg ? 6.0-5.2
25-30 mph ? 5.2-4.5
30-35 mph ? 4.0
35-40 mph ? wish I had a 3.5
40+ mph ? hanky
Güven Kais
Duncan Lovett wrote:
> Can somebody give me a sail size/wind speed guide, so if I have a idea on
> the conditions, I don't have to take all my sails.
>
> 0-10 mph ? 7.5
> 10-15 mph ? 7.5
> 15-20 mph ? 6.3
> 20-25 mpg ? 5.2
> 25-30 mph ? 5.2
> 30-35 mph ? 4.2
> 35-40 mph ? 3.7
> 40+ mph ? A Pint
>
> Thanks
>
> Duncan
>
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Robert Youdan
others are overpowered with a 6.0. All depends on your skill, weight, style,
and strength.
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Duncan Lovett wrote in message ...
>Can somebody give me a sail size/wind speed guide, so if I have a idea on
>the conditions, I don't have to take all my sails.
>
>0-10 mph ?
>10-15 mph ?
>15-20 mph ?
>20-25 mpg ?
>25-30 mph ?
>30-35 mph ?
>35-40 mph ?
>40+ mph ?
>
JDC9750
Robert. IMHO There are NO silly questions in this group. Some may not
understand all of the aspects of the sport.
I have asked some simplistic questions here and I have always gotten good or
humorus advice.
JimC
Robert Youdan
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> Can somebody give me a sail size/wind speed guide, so if I have a idea
> on the conditions, I don't have to take all my sails.
Duncan,
Rule #1 is you have to bring all of your sails because regardless of the
report or current conditions, when you get there it will be different.
All right, so maybe I don't bring my 3.2 and 6.8 when I expect to be on
a 5.0 and I don't bring the 4.0 and smaller when the report is for what
I would be on a 6.0 but I almost always bring atleast 3 or 4 sails for
some above and below range. Get the idea?
As for your chart, there is no universal association between wind speed
and sail size. You have to factor sailor weight, water conditions, size
of board and type/quality of sail, not to mention the type of sailing
being done. For example, I'm 140lbs and I was overpowered on a 4.0 and
this 230lb guy was on a 5.0 and it looked like he needed some more wind
or a bigger sail.
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"Robert Youdan" <r...@event-horizonsXXNOSPAMXX.com.au> wrote:
> That's a silly question. Some people can hold up a 7.0 in 20-25kts whilst
> others are overpowered with a 6.0. All depends on your skill, weight, style,
> and strength.
>
This is a very good point and it is why I asked the question here, as well
as when I sail, to get as many opinions from which I could make my own
selections, which would depend upon conditions and change as my ability
improves. Please feel free to email me or post your sail size V wind speeds,
including if possible, the conditions you sail in/ability etc .
Thanks in advance
Du
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"ALWAYS BRING EVERYTHING"
Tom - Chicago
Wolfgang Soergel
>
> Can somebody give me a sail size/wind speed guide, so if I have a idea on
> the conditions, I don't have to take all my sails.
>
approx. (!!!)
> 0-10 mph ? anything. Streetsailer, 6.5 if it looks like picking up, 5.7 else.
> 10-15 mph ? 6.5
> 15-20 mph ? 6.5 on lake, 5.7 on sea
> 20-25 mpg ? 6.5/5.7(lake) - 5.0 (sea)
> 25-30 mph ? 5.0 - 4.5
> 30-35 mph ? 4.5 - 4.0
> 35-40 mph ? around 4.0
> 40+ mph ? 3.5, 4.0 if it's only gusts.
>
Not taking all sails: Often a bad idea. I always take at least the big
sails
(6.5 / 5.7 / 5.0) and 2 masts / 2 booms, even if the forecast isn't that
good.
And if it looks good it still happen's around here that a day which was
supposed
to be a solid 30 knots ends up with gusty 20 or less -- still good
sailing
conditions but useless if the right sail is in the garage.
Nothing sucks more than sitting on the beach when it's blowing.
Sometimes it seems to be a method to generate wind to leave the small
sails or
boards at home when heading for the beach -- unfortunately not very
reliably.
Wolfgang
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Craig gsogh Goudie
dun...@no.junk.mail (Duncan Lovett) wrote:
> Can somebody give me a sail size/wind speed guide, so if I have a idea on
> the conditions, I don't have to take all my sails.
>
> 10-15 mph ?
> 15-20 mph ?
> 20-25 mpg ?
> 25-30 mph ?
> 30-35 mph ?
> 35-40 mph ?
> 40+ mph ?
Per my post 3/98. For reference I weigh 185 lbs and sail lakes and rivers.
Rig Wind Speed What's Happnin with the environment
a beer 0-9 MPH water ripples, tree leaves wave around lightly
7.5 10-15 MPH caplets on water, ground brush bends slightly
6.8 15-20 MPH caps on water, ground brush waves around
5.7 20-25 MPH small swells, tree branches wave about
5.2 25-30 MPH This is start'n to get fun
4.7 30-35 MPH This is major fun, beach girls run for cover
4.2 35-40 MPH White knuckle fun, my dog runs for cover
3.7 40-45 MPH Grab yur helmet, large swell, my van rocks
3.2 45-60 MPH Carnage on the water, liquid smoke, dogs blow
down the beach, porta potties blow over.
Bomb Shelter 60+ MPH Run for cover!
The larger sails (7.5, 6.8) can range down a couple of ranges ie my 6.8
could range up to 30 MPH, but the 5.2 is much more fun. On the other hand
in the smaller ranges 3.7 and 45 MPH is about the limit, I wouldn't want to
take my 3.7 past 50 MPH. Between 50 and 60 MPH it's blowing pretty darn hard,
one of the Surf Rats (who weighs 200+ pounds) was 3.5ing it and getting
pounded at Rush a couple of years ago in "gusts to 60". A 2.8 would be a good
call in those conditions but in the upper wind ranges, what you get really is
45-60 fluctuations so ya almost have to over rig and hang on in the gusts.
>
> Thanks
>
> Duncan
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Wolfgang Soergel <wsoe...@nt.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de> wrote:
> Duncan Lovett wrote:
>
> Not taking all sails: Often a bad idea. I always take at least the big
> sails
> (6.5 / 5.7 / 5.0)
What the? These are my small sails!!!
Dan - Fairfax Station, VA
Peter Somlo
I'd augment this to: "ALWAYS BRING EVERYTHING - IF YOU CAN"
(I can, but some friends have small cars and they can't.)
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Weed Fin
others are overpowered with a 6.0. All depends on your skill, weight, style,
and strength.>>
I'd like to add one more. Knowledge of new equipment out today.
This past summer I think it was Aug./Sept. there was a race at Kalmus Beach.
The winds picked up to over 25 kts, more like 30 plus. I was out there on my
8'4" wave board with a 4.7 North wave, to lazy to rig down to a 4.2.
I came in to take a rest and they were just starting the next heat. The racers
were still using race boards and the sails ranged between 6.5 to 7.5 (I think).
I said to myself, I have to see this, they are going to get trashed, they're
going to spin out big time. The race started and I couldn't believe my eye's,
all the racers were smokin and seemed dialed in, no one was spinning out, I was
amazed.
There were times when I thought I was overpowered on my 4.7. So I would say it
is important to know and understand how to rig/use the new stuff out today.
Marc or Skip if you're out there? You might want to add to this thread. Both of
you were in that race series.
Weed Fin
Three words to live by:
"ALWAYS BRING EVERYTHING
Tom - Chicago>>
I agree 100% Common Sense. I have seen people drive 1 1/2 hours to Cape Cod
and leave their small sails at home because the forecast called for light wind,
an hour later it is blowing SW25+.
Two or three years ago my new wave custom came in, the forecast called for SW
10-15. That afternoon it hit 40. What a bonus because I had my new wave board
with me.
Weed Fin
Tell them to buy a bigger car/van/truck. You gotta use common sense.
sail...@interpath.com
wrote:
>Can somebody give me a sail size/wind speed guide, so if I have a idea on
>the conditions, I don't have to take all my sails.
>
>0-4 mph ? I usually don't sail unless it's a race then it's the biggest sail/board I own F2 380 Race/Mistral Superlite 9.5 Retro or 8.5 Retro Raceboard.
4-7 mph? 9.5 Retro/MPB mkVIII (Planes at 4.5-5.0 knots!
7-10 mph 9.5 Retro or 8.5 Retro Raceboard
>10-15 mph ? 7.5 Retro or RR
>15-20 mph ? 6.5 or 7.5
>20-25 mpg ?6.5 or 5.5
>25-30 mph ?4.5
>30-35 mph ?4.0
>35-40 mph ?3.7
>40+ mph ? I usually don't as I don't have a 2.9
But the "bring everything" guys are correct. Whatever you don;t bring
somehow turns out to be exactly what you need!
later
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>
> I came in to take a rest and they were just starting the next heat. The racers
> were still using race boards and the sails ranged between 6.5 to 7.5 (I
think).
> I said to myself, I have to see this, they are going to get trashed, they're
> going to spin out big time. The race started and I couldn't believe my eye's,
> all the racers were smokin and seemed dialed in, no one was spinning out, I
was
> amazed.
>
> There were times when I thought I was overpowered on my 4.7. So I would say it
> is important to know and understand how to rig/use the new stuff out today.
>
> Marc or Skip if you're out there? You might want to add to this thread. Both
of you were in that race series.
>
Being able to do this or come close to sailing like this would be amazing.
Hope someone can give a few tips. I don't see many 25+ days in Northern Va.
but would like to transfer such aspects in lower windspeeds and on bigger
sails. I wonder what guys like this would sail on in say 15-20 kts, and how
fast they would travel? Is it all size or mostly technique (the latter I
would suppose?)
Dan - Fairfax Station, VA
Weed Fin
<<Being able to do this or come close to sailing like this would be amazing.
Hope someone can give a few tips. I don't see many 25+ days in Northern Va.
but would like to transfer such aspects in lower windspeeds and on bigger
sails. I wonder what guys like this would sail on in say 15-20 kts, and how
fast they would travel? Is it all size or mostly technique (the latter I
would suppose?)>>
Dan... When I said race boards I meant 9' slolom boards. Hope that helped.
Weed Fin
<<Is it all size or mostly technique (the latter I
would suppose?)>>
I wish Nevin Sayre was racing that day. I would of loved to see how he would
have done compared to the rest of the racers.
Duncan Lovett
more sails. As the new tv ads for the lottery say " Maybe, just maybe."
Does any particular make/model/size of sail have a bigger wind range than
normal, as this would help in not needing so many sails ?
Randall Rainey
Weed Fin wrote:
> <<(I can, but some friends have small cars and they can't.)>>
>
> Tell them to buy a bigger car/van/truck. You gotta use common sense.
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Weed Fin
<<Or Trailer : )>> Hmmm... That is a touchy subject here on Cape Cod or shall I
say Kalmus Beach. It's starting to become a problem when you have a sailor
parking his car in one spot and his trailer in another.
Three years ago on a Saturday the forecast was for Small Craft Advisory and it
hadn't blown for sometime. This guy puts his truck in one spot and trailer in
another. I told him in another hour this place will be packed and he should put
his trailer and truck in the same spot. He wasn't happy about it, but did it.
An hour or so later there was a waiting line to get into Kalmus Beach, every
spot was taken. He comes here 2-3 times a year, and two this day his wife still
gives me the look of death.
NLW TFW NM
leave the stuff behind the TV says they shouldn't need, and these guys drive
the biggest vans made in the Us. It bites 'em the butt way more than I'd
tolerate.
Mike \m/
RobSm
>I have now got a quiver bag for the roof of the car, all I need is some
>more sails. As the new tv ads for the lottery say " Maybe, just maybe."
>
>Does any particular make/model/size of sail have a bigger wind range than
>normal, as this would help in not needing so many sails ?
>
>Duncan
See Mark LeFebvre's site.
He gives formulae that might work for you.
RobSm
TomBuckOb2
>normal, as this would help in not needing so many sails ?
MultiSail. I have been sailing the 7.3 - 8.2 - 9.1 M model for the last two
seasons and it is by far my most used sail.
Fast enough, lots of range and plenty tunable.
Tom - Chicago
Tom - Chicago
Duncan Lovett
One of the reasons for asking was to see what other sails I need for my
quiver. I am about 70kg/11 stone, Level 2-3 RYA (harness ok, but
footsraps and waterstart aren't perfect yet and I mainly sail on flat
water/slight chop, not heavy wave or B&J.
Now I sail mainly in the South of England on a Fanatic Bee 317 and a
Mistral Screamer 277 that I can just about sail badly. I am trying to get
out as much as possible, but the average wind seems to be a force 2-3, so
I want to get some kit that will start me moving upon this.
I currently have an old NP RAF Wave (92-94 I think) 4.2m for windy days
and I guess that perhaps I need a 3.2-3.7 for mad days, but it is of a
lower priority.
The next sail up I have is an Arrows Harrier (or Hawk, not sure, but it's
about 94-96) which is 5.7m. Now there is a gap between 5.7 and 4.2, but I
would rather spend the money at the upper end for now due to the low wind
levels that are about most of the time. A 5m will come late 1999 early
2000, as I don't really need it, as normally it's 3-4m or 5.7+.
My main sail is a 1998 Arrows Harrier 6.6m, which I try to use all the
time unless it is blowing seriously. At Poole in about October, I had it
out for the day when most people were on 5.0-6m. It was hard work, but I
now know that I quite enjoy the feeling of being over powered. I do have a
token 7.3m "Easy Rider" sail that has two cams. I haven't really used this
as my boom is only 170-210cm and this sail needs about 215cm, but it was
only £30, so I had to buy it just incase.
What sail could I get that is bigger than 6.6 and would allow me to sail
in lighter winds ? My mast is a Fibarspar 3000 460cm and my boom is a
Nautix Tiger 170-210. I would prefer a sail that would rig on this as
otherwise the cost goes up a lot.
If I have a 490/520cm mast and a 200-240 boom, what would be the best
freeride big sail you would suggest ?
Is it better to buy a new boom or some new longer arms for mine (cheap
than a new boom, same price as second hand boom)? What mast would you go
for if I need a bigger one ?
Thanks
Robert Youdan
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>In article <36a7b...@nexus.comcen.com.au>,
> "Robert Youdan" <r...@event-horizonsXXNOSPAMXX.com.au> wrote:
>> That's a silly question. Some people can hold up a 7.0 in 20-25kts whilst
>> others are overpowered with a 6.0. All depends on your skill, weight,
style,
>> and strength.
>>
>
> This is a very good point and it is why I asked the question here, as
well
>as when I sail, to get as many opinions from which I could make my own
>selections, which would depend upon conditions and change as my ability
>improves. Please feel free to email me or post your sail size V wind
speeds,
>including if possible, the conditions you sail in/ability etc .
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Du
>
NLW TFW NM
pounds) on a 3.7, next to racerheads on 6.5s, and having enjoyed my cheap
twin-cam 6.8 sailing next to expert sailors who were enjoying 4.5s, I've sorta
abandoned the concept of sail size vs windspeed charts. As discussed here last
year ad pukem, there are WAY too many variables.
Mike \m/
Anton
>3.2 45-60 MPH Carnage on the water, liquid smoke, dogs
blow
> down the beach, porta potties blow over.
I heard someone mention the phrase "It's blowing dogs off rocks!" a while
ago. Is that a common expression in anybody else's part of the world?
Round these here parts, when its windy enough for smaller than 3.5, its
usually far too gusty to sail - its seems as though the bigger the gusts
get, the deeper the holes get dammit. I'd love to try a 3.2 in steady wind.
Anton
NLW TFW NM
experience to hang on (or the brains to jump in and hide) in the biggest gusts.
That's where extra sail wind range and a board built to stick to the water
really pay off.
Mike \m/
Ross Fleming
>I heard someone mention the phrase "It's blowing dogs off rocks!" a while
>ago. Is that a common expression in anybody else's part of the world?
The phrase I have heard is "It's blowing oysters off the rocks!"
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Robert Youdan
someone else's recommendation instead of following my own instincts, found I
am way under or over powered, then cursed as I had to re-rig. I learned
quickly to make up my own mind!
Rob
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someone else's recommendation instead of following my own instincts, found I
am way under or over powered, then cursed as I had to re-rig. I learned
quickly to make up my own mind!"
I was once carrying my 4.2 to the water when a HUGE guy (he must have had 40+
pounds on me, and was all muscle) who claimed to be an expert sailor (we were
in the Gorge, where he lives) coming ashore stopped me with a hand on my
shoulder, and pleaded with me not to go out there on my 4.2 (which feels like
most 4.5s). (I'd never seen him before; he was just THAT concerned about my
health and welfare after getting his butt KICKED on his 3.7.
I might have listened, except that I had just come in on my 4.7, plugged my
already-rigged 4.2 into my board, and turned around in two minutes.
The 4..2 was perfectly ovepowered the next three hours -- never fell off a
plane from lack of wind, never got backwinded.
Mike \m/
Anton
Hehe - I was talking about really gusty conditions. On a bad day, I've seen
it almost glassy between the 45kt gusts. There's plenty of hills around
here, and when the wind gets up above 35kts, it gets pretty turbulent.
Assuming you could handle the gusts, by the time you waterstarted and got in
the straps, you would be sinking again. But nobody in their right mind does
actually go out when its like that, we try to go somewhere else.
I usually find that big gusts aren't too much of a problem, it's how deep
the lulls are that makes it a pain in the butt. There's nothing more
frustrating than spending 75% of the time slogging only to be flicked off
when a gust finally comes along.
Cheers
Anton
NLW TFW NM
it almost glassy between the 45kt gusts. There's plenty of hills around
here, and when the wind gets up above 35kts, it gets pretty turbulent.
Assuming you could handle the gusts, by the time you waterstarted and got in
the straps, you would be sinking again."
One of our lakes is well-known for "5 or 35" winds. Not 5 *TO* 35; 5 *OR* 35,
and another isn't much better.
Re:"But nobody in their right mind does actually go out when its like that, we
try to go somewhere else."
But in these cases, plenty go to the 5/35 lake, even though for some of them
quality sailing is just 10-20 minutes farther away (2:20 versus 2 hours each
way). I'll never understand it. One expert shortboard sailor admits he goes to
the gusty lake because he can get pizza delivered there.
Re:"I usually find that big gusts aren't too much of a problem, it's how deep
the lulls are that makes it a pain in the butt."
A great Gorge spot goes unsailable when its wind goes NW, often bouncing
instantaneously between 10 and 40+ once or twice a minute. When there are 100
experts on shore and NONE on the water despite flying spray, you KNOW it sucks
out there. A guy named Ian tried it there a couple of years ago, shook his
head, said "That's not sailable", and left.
Yeah .... THAT Ian.
Re:" There's nothing more frustrating than spending 75% of the time slogging
only to be flicked off when a gust finally comes along"
That's a personal choice. One could rig for the lulls and just duck'n'hide in
the asinine gusts, and/or one could just refuse to slog if rigging for the
gusts works better overall. One of our lakes is toasty all year, and the wind
in onshore, so if it's too gusty to plane most of the time, I often rig for the
top half of the wind range and just lie or even snooze in the water during the
bottom half. I'd never drive that far if I expected lousy wind, but a long as
I'm there ...
Mike \m/
Craig gsogh Goudie
nlwt...@aol.com (NLW TFW NM) wrote:
[Gusty wind sucks snippage]
>
> A great Gorge spot goes unsailable when its wind goes NW, often bouncing
> instantaneously between 10 and 40+ once or twice a minute. When there are 100
> experts on shore and NONE on the water despite flying spray, you KNOW it sucks
> out there. A guy named Ian tried it there a couple of years ago, shook his
> head, said "That's not sailable", and left.
>
> Yeah .... THAT Ian.
>
Been there, got spanked, went west (after a long rest).
^^^^^^^^^
Advise!
Craig (Go Short or Go Home!) Goudie
Sailing the high desert lakes of Utah on my:
Star 288, Gem 8'10" Bailey 8'6" with
Naish Sails and Meritex Fins