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Tom

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Apr 7, 2002, 12:08:51 PM4/7/02
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Hi,
I have a Gul wetsuit and have been having problems doing up the zip on the
back, it is the kind where you have a long chord attached and you pull it up
your back.
Anyway it has a neoprene flap on the back of the zip so that when the zip is
closed this piece of neoprene covers the back of the zip. However when I try
to zip it up the neoprene flap gets stuck in the way of the zip. The zip
then runs into the flap and takes a big chunk out of it.
This keeps happening and I have little success on zipping up by myself. Has
anyone else had the same problem, or know how to get round it. Any help
would be greatfully recieved so I can zip up by myself.
Thanks
Tom

John Sitka

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Apr 7, 2002, 2:04:04 PM4/7/02
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1.) grab zip pull cord in right
hand over right shoulder (obvious)
2.)pull up on neo inside zipper
flap(baffle) from the neck seal and
with left hand and pin it with your
pinky to the base of your skull
favouring your left ear .
This keeps it tight against your
back skin.
3.) Since you are only using a
couple of fingers max to hold the
flap
tight, thumb and index finger are
sill available to grab the left
part of the zipper at the top (neck
seal) and kind of hold it away from
your back( away from your body).
your left hand will be spread apart
pinky(and/or friend) pinning inside
neo flap tight against neck and
thumb
pushing opposite zipper side away
from your back
4.) don't lean forward rather look
up and keep back straight then pull
zipper cord.

The neo zipper baffle is super
stretchy, you may have to grab it
initially
a little lower than at it's very
top edge. Point is to get it under
some tension.
--
***speaks to electric box***


Karl Ludwig Bonitz

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Apr 7, 2002, 3:30:14 PM4/7/02
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"John Sitka" <john...@REMOVEhotmail.com>
[giving good and helpful advice]


Why do they put zips, whether vertical or horizontal ones, on the back
anyway?
Why not in front?

Is it to make windsurfing a more social event by forcing you to ask
for help ;-)?


Charlie

Philip

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Apr 7, 2002, 3:47:15 PM4/7/02
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They probably have some sort of good reason. Maybe it's something to do
with the comfort (net when putting it on or taking it off...) with th e
zipper in the back. For example, you would probably be bending forward
instead of back during windsurfing, therefor it would be less in the way. I
think wetsuits for other sports like diving have the zippers in the front.

Thanks,
Phil
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Mike F

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Apr 7, 2002, 4:07:46 PM4/7/02
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Promotion's designers told me they felt front zips, especially across the
chest, are too stiff for good mobility.
I said. "Bull!" and sold my Promotion steamer, bought Body Glove's last
steamer with a zipper across the chest (they quit making WS suits), and will
use it until it is in rags or someone makes another one. Anyone who doesn't
have the strength in his shoulders and chest to bend a zipper is too weak to
carry a fin down to the beach, let alone uphaul a kid's rig.

BTW, Promotion modified their back zipper flap design 3-4 years ago to
reduce its interference with the zipper. The idea works, of course. ;-)

Mike \m/

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frusdniw

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Apr 7, 2002, 9:31:58 PM4/7/02
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I hate that cooler water always hits the spine first, which to me seems to
be the worst place for it to be introduced (well, except for the groin
area, maybe). I think I could take the first plunge a little easier if
the cold water came in on the front.

Hans

On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Philip wrote:

> They probably have some sort of good reason. Maybe it's something to do
> with the comfort (net when putting it on or taking it off...) with th e
> zipper in the back. For example, you would probably be bending forward
> instead of back during windsurfing, therefor it would be less in the way. I
> think wetsuits for other sports like diving have the zippers in the front.

> > Why do they put zips, whether vertical or horizontal ones, on the back


> > anyway?
> > Why not in front?

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Mike F

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Apr 7, 2002, 11:10:41 PM4/7/02
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Absolutely! I consider the icy spinal tap more chilling than the icy groin
shot. That's why I no longer own a back-zip steamer; even a snug vest over
it didn't protect the spine. OTOH, the front-zip steamers have a big
over-the-head baffle inside which stop the water and lets it warm up before
it hits the skin. A front-zip steamer is warmer than some dry suits, and
MUCH easier to doff and don, at 1/2 to 2/3 the price -- 1/3 when you can
find a closeout.

Mike \m/

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frusdniw

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Apr 7, 2002, 11:17:13 PM4/7/02
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On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Mike F wrote:

> Absolutely! I consider the icy spinal tap more chilling than the icy groin
> shot. That's why I no longer own a back-zip steamer; even a snug vest over
> it didn't protect the spine. OTOH, the front-zip steamers have a big
> over-the-head baffle inside which stop the water and lets it warm up before
> it hits the skin. A front-zip steamer is warmer than some dry suits, and
> MUCH easier to doff and don, at 1/2 to 2/3 the price -- 1/3 when you can
> find a closeout.

But is it worth buying a non-windsurfing front-zip? From a previous post
of yours, it seems as though those aren't to be found anymore, so you have
to buy one suited more for a different sport. Are suits for other water
activities okay for windsurfing? Not that I'll find out soon... both my
shortie and steamer are less than a year old, so I'll have them for
awhile.

BTW, Mike, I printed out your jibe tips. I'm stuck at the
almost/sometimes stage and am anxious to get over it. I'll let you know
how it goes. I think it will go well because of the comparisons you
use... holding a bow & arrow, closing a car door with your hips. IMO,
that is much more information than any photo could display. In this case
the reverse is true... a picture is worth less than your lengthy jibe
tribute.

Thanks,

Mike F

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Apr 7, 2002, 11:56:35 PM4/7/02
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Doesn't O'Neil still make a front-zip WS steamer?

And doesn't a picture download quicker than my jibe tome? ;-)

Mike \m/

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> But is it worth buying a non-windsurfing front-zip? From a previous post
> of yours, it seems as though those aren't to be found anymore,

>
> BTW, Mike, I printed out your jibe tips. .... IMO,

Chris

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Apr 8, 2002, 5:57:41 PM4/8/02
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I had this problem with an O'Neil windsuit I bought last year. I never
found a solution before I lost the suit (drove off with it hanging on a coat
hanger from my roof rack out of Lake Floras, OR. Somebody scored a brand
new wetsuit).

The best solution I found was to go up to the cutest girl on the beach who
didn't seem to be with a guy and ask for her assistance. :-)


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Chris

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Apr 8, 2002, 6:52:32 PM4/8/02
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Oh, BTW, in the end I concluded the real source of the problem was that the
wetsuit was a little too small for me.

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Simon Gillow

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Apr 15, 2002, 5:55:53 PM4/15/02
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I always though back zips stemmed from when surfers wanted wet-suits. If
they had a front zip the hard plastic parts would scratch their board when
they paddled about on it prior to catching a wave.

I do a lot of dinghy sailing and you can get dinghy sailing wetsuits with
front zips, perhaps you could explore that avenue.

Simon

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Kevin K

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Apr 16, 2002, 4:07:55 AM4/16/02
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"> Doesn't O'Neil still make a front-zip WS steamer?
>

They used to make a suilt called a "windskin" I have worn out two of
them and everyone here had them. Front zip, loose arms. beats me why
they have stopped making them.

cheers
Kevin K

Steve Hill

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Apr 20, 2002, 3:31:56 AM4/20/02
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On Mon, 08 Apr 2002 03:17:13 GMT, frusdniw <frus...@spam-go-away.com>
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>activities okay for windsurfing? Not that I'll find out soon... both my
>shortie and steamer are less than a year old, so I'll have them for
>awhile.

Out of interest, how long do wetsuits usually last?


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Mike F

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Apr 20, 2002, 10:53:56 PM4/20/02
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I've had some dry suits last 10 years, others last a couple of hours. Both
extremes were Bares. Go figure. I expect several years from a wet suit,
where integrity is less critical, and a few years from a dry suit, in which
leaks get real obvious real fast.

Mike \m/

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