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Glenn Woodell

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Jun 28, 2006, 6:52:50 AM6/28/06
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More PEOPLE surf than windsurf (in this country) because all it takes
to become a "surfer" is a hundered dollars. To become a "windsurfer"
takes many more times that and more than just carrying your board on
your roof. It takes a very different personality. One of not giving up
after the 37th time of getting slammed into the cold water after the
37th try at it.

(BTW) I'm not belittling "real" surfers one bit. I'm trying to qualify
in fact.

I'd suggest not getting your SO into it unless it is something they
really, really want to do. I met mine while windsurfing so I'm in a
lucky situation. See above.

Glenn

On 28 Jun 2006 00:15:24 -0700, "Serena Sterling"
<serena_...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hi. I'm new to this group and somewhat new to windsurfing. I looked
>through some past threads but can't seem to find what I'm looking
>for. One of my careers is in journalism and I'm trying to break into
>the windsurfing magazines. Windsport and Windsurfing Magazine are the
>only two in the US that I know of. American Windsurfer is now defunct,
>right? I've heard Windsport is the best one. And, from reading
>through some issues it seems evident that most readers would like to
>see more women get involved in the sport. So I thought I'd try and
>work that angle. I'm very open to suggestions as far as different
>articles you'd like to see along this topic. One idea I have is to
>debunk some myths about windsurfing such as the drowning and/or being
>eaten alive by a shark myth...or needing the prerequisite of upper body
>strength. It seems more women surf than windsurf. Why is that? In order
>to make it into a "Top 10" list of myths I need 7 more.
>
>The other article I'd like to pitch is "Top 10 ways to get your
>S.O. into windsurfing." I'm looking at this article in terms of men
>getting their girlfriends or wives into the sport as it seems that's
>a common complaint. I have 9 points, although #s 3,4 and 5 could all be
>the same. Any thoughts, suggestions, concerns?

Peter

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Jun 28, 2006, 7:22:45 AM6/28/06
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> to become a "surfer" is a hundered dollars. To become a "windsurfer"
> takes many more times that and more than just carrying your board on
> your roof. It takes a very different personality. One of not giving up
> after the 37th time of getting slammed into the cold water after the
> 37th try at it.

There is a good old joke about WS: go stand naked in cold shower, and keep
tearing 100$ bills while banging your head against the wall. If you like it,
chances are you'll like windsurfing as well

:D

Peter


Serena

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Jun 28, 2006, 10:11:56 AM6/28/06
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It just seems that a lot more men wish their SO's would find the same
passion they do and so they try and teach them. I think this is one of
the first things I learned about windsurfing: it's a really bad idea. I
was told that teaching your SO to windsurf could ostensibly break up
the relationship. Granted, I have never had a S.O. try and teach me;
I've always been self-motivated, but I have talked to women who have
and there seems to be some important do's and don't's.

Serena

LeeD

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Jun 28, 2006, 12:14:31 PM6/28/06
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To me, both sports take abou the same amount of dedication and
practice to get at a proficient level.
Somewhere around 6 years, 100 days a year.
Proficient meaning in windsurfing, at least making 90% of jibes,
jumps both directions, and ability to sail flat water, waves, and
strong winds.
Surfing meaning to surf decently most normal surfspots in the world,
no gooning out.

Craig Goudie

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Jun 28, 2006, 1:17:36 PM6/28/06
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Welcome to the forum Serena, and good luck in your quest. I think Windsport
is actually a Canadian. You might want to consider "Boards" (the UK
magazine ) also.

Here are 7 classic windsurfing myths (in no particular order) to round out
your article though. ;*)

1. You can learn to jibe without beer
2. It's always windier just upwind. (Also know as the obstinate illusion,
and it is too)
3. This board has a sail range from 3.5 to 10.0 (the typical manufacturer's
spec)
4. It was 4.2 here yesterday
5. Longboards will make a comeback
6. Al Gore invented Windsurfing
7. A tight wetsuit makes your fat bulges less obvious

But seriously, it appears that taking potshots at Eric Sanford can get you
published. ;*)

Good luck with the S.O. article also, that's dangerous ground, and if your
suggestions really work,
could elevate you to the state of oracle.

-Craig

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J

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Jun 28, 2006, 1:38:17 PM6/28/06
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Serena,
If you come up with an article that enables windsurfers to get the s.o.
totally hooked I suspect that we'd erect a bronze statue of you on some
beach somewhere.

Jim

Cliff Frost

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Jun 28, 2006, 1:50:49 PM6/28/06
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Serena,

I think that in general the US magazine could use a little more about
the family angle to the sport and maybe less of the macho stuff. I notice
the British magazine Boards has a lot of family and ordinary windsurfer
stuff and I enjoy it a lot.

"Hot Shots" of super fit guys in their 20's doing impossible loops and
sailing huge, perfectly formed waves in distant resorts are fun, but when
that's the main image presented I don't think it works that well for
attracting many people to the sport. It takes an incredible commitment of
time and energy to reach those levels of ability and to get to those
locations.

Not original ideas, I know.

Oh yes, before I forget--get the mags to stop making remarks about farting
and belching. That's fine, maybe, in Eric Sanford's column, but leave it
to that.

Thanks,
Cliff

Alan

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Jun 28, 2006, 2:11:06 PM6/28/06
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Man, I love the fact that my SO has her passions and I have mine. She could
care a rat's ass about windsurfing, and frankly I'm not much of a gardener
or renaissance scholar ( she is). We like it that way. All she knows is that
when I get a good session that I "glow", and that she likes. When she comes
in bragging about some strange plant she got to bloom she 'glows' as well.

Alan

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Windsurfing Club: http://www.ibscc.org


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Ellen Faller

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Jun 28, 2006, 1:59:22 PM6/28/06
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Actually getting guys to listen to what she has to say about teaching
the SO would be the real miracle! If I had a nickel for every word I'd
offered on the subject, I'd be starting some sort of windsurfing
foundation ala Mr. Gates and Mr. Buffet. Well, okay, a tad smaller perhaps.

7a. A pink flowered seat harness will make your butt look smaller.
7b. Harnesses are flattering to anyone's appearance.

Ellen

timwn...@gmail.com

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Jun 28, 2006, 2:48:51 PM6/28/06
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Hi Cliff,

The family angle might be nice and probably fits more into the
windsurfing demographic, 40 somethin' male (in recent WS mag). But I
would like a little escape, that's one thing I think that the magazines
are missing. Some of the best Surfing magazines, at least the most fun
to read, are selling lifestyle and escape. Which is why I think
surfing has taken off, people are creating an association with this
surfing lifestyle--devil-may-care, exotic living/foreign travel--even
if they live in Topeka. Half of the surfing industry is selling
lifestyle for the folks who want to have a little escapism. That's
fun, you can get on your board on Lake Michigan and imagine you're
getting an epic ride in Costa Rica after road-tripping down there in
your 4x4 Ford, go back home and have a life half lived in reality and
half lived vicariously (which is nice is you can't ditch the job and
take off).

Great surfing mags are one's like "The Surfer's Path". You read
personal accounts from surfers about their psydo-philosophical thoughts
that occur to them after an epic session, or reflections on being small
time drug dealers to pay for their surf lifestyle. I feel a little
like most current windsurfing mags are like a cross between Cosmo and
FineHomebuilder, instead of having teasers on the cover like "How to
please your man in 10 easy steps" it's "How to up-haul your sail in 10
easy steps". Very functional and very dry.

But maybe all this is a reflection on an aging sport and an industry
supporting that demographic. But man, you can make windsurfing a lot
more sexy (not literally) because it is such a kick-ass sport. Show a
surfer buddy a windsurfing porno with dudes throwing loops and tearing
it up and they'll drop their jaw (of course that leads to a whole
different conversation on the aesthetic/philosophical difference
between surfing and sail boarding).

Now all this said, I still look forward to gettin' my WS and Windsport
every month or so.

-Tim

Cliff Frost

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Jun 28, 2006, 3:46:44 PM6/28/06
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Tim,

Check out Boards also, you'll love it, I bet. It's got action
stuff but also real-life things.

-Cliff

timwn...@gmail.com

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Jun 28, 2006, 5:23:15 PM6/28/06
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Will do!

Thanks for the tip.

-Tim

Glenn Woodell

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Jun 28, 2006, 6:39:32 PM6/28/06
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I've always preached compatibility versus commonality. The latter can
include the prior but not necessarily the other way around. If it's
compatible then that's what counts. I've seen many women who have no
interest in WS but are very content to sit on the beach all day long.
That works too.

Happy for ya Alan.

Glenn

Glenn Woodell

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Jun 28, 2006, 6:42:33 PM6/28/06
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Wind Tracks used to do this and the New England Windsurfing Journal
still does. Great rag with a very local flavor!

Glenn

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steve

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Jun 28, 2006, 8:39:30 PM6/28/06
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Ellen Faller wrote:

> Actually getting guys to listen to what she has to say about teaching
> the SO would be the real miracle!

I would buy any mag that offered a library of good helpful things to
say to S.O. after coming back from hour or so 25 mph session to find
her crouched against a dune, face a bit red from blowing sand,
determined to wait this out for sake of ...Most things I come up with
either just don't work, or end up being expensive.

steve

Chad

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Jun 28, 2006, 10:11:28 PM6/28/06
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My wife sails and she is really hooked. Are arguments consist of who
gets a new board this year. She won this year. She has a new F2 Stoke.
I cant catch her anymore. She also gets angry when I sail without her.
Chad

Glenn Woodell

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Jun 28, 2006, 10:26:34 PM6/28/06
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Fess up Chad. She got a new board and you got a new one and one
slightly used Formula board. :)

Glenn

The Dog

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Jun 28, 2006, 10:30:07 PM6/28/06
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In article <e7udkq$jtf$1...@news.xmission.com>, cgo...@es.com says...

> But seriously, it appears that taking potshots at Eric Sanford can get you
> published. ;*)

I resemble that remark. For the record, the idea to bash Eric was
Josh's... And I have the email to prove it.

I just hope Eric got to read all the stuff I submitted that wasn't
published. ;-)

Dog
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http://www.thedoghouse.net (not new, but regularly updated)

Do I have to explain IP addressing again?

speedy

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Jul 5, 2006, 10:14:26 PM7/5/06
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My take on getting your windsurfing SO into windsurfing --

windsurfing girlfriend = best
windsurfing wife = good
windsurfing wife and mother = bad

I thought it was awesome when my girlfriend (now wife) really got into
windsurfing. 12 years later we are married and have kids. Now when its
windy , one gets to windsurf, and the other watches the kids, splitting our
precious sailing time in half. All my other married with kids windsurfing
buddies can go sail all day, and then just 'make it up' to the SO the next
non-windy day. When both parents windsurf it is actually can be a source of
conflict. Someone has to take the kids to the endless birthday parties,
soccer games, etc, even when it is windy. The person who does not get to
sail will be pissed that they missed it, and the one who sailed feels
guilty. My advice is to find a SO who does not windsurf, and does not want
to!


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Wal

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Jul 6, 2006, 8:21:43 AM7/6/06
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Tone :
Interesting thing is that all the windsurfing mags that I have read are as
bland as baby food - pc, antisexist, inclusive, nonconfrontational, boring
colourless writing. They are no fun to read. If I want a good read and a
giggle I read my sons Tracks surfing mags. The first time I read one I
gasped in shock that this rabid stuff was actually published. Then I got to
know it. Its fabulously colourful and outrageous - f***ing good fun.

Ahh... if only windsurfing mags could be like that.


Wal

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Jul 6, 2006, 8:41:42 AM7/6/06
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you forgot the next one
windsurfing wife and mother and children = best

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surfnsuds

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Sep 11, 2006, 8:08:42 PM9/11/06
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Serena Sterling wrote:
> Hi. I'm new to this group and somewhat new to windsurfing. I looked
> through some past threads but can't seem to find what I'm looking
> for. One of my careers is in journalism and I'm trying to break into
> the windsurfing magazines. Windsport and Windsurfing Magazine are the
> only two in the US that I know of. American Windsurfer is now defunct,
> right? I've heard Windsport is the best one. And, from reading
> through some issues it seems evident that most readers would like to
> see more women get involved in the sport. So I thought I'd try and
> work that angle. I'm very open to suggestions as far as different
> articles you'd like to see along this topic. One idea I have is to
> debunk some myths about windsurfing such as the drowning and/or being
> eaten alive by a shark myth...or needing the prerequisite of upper body
> strength. It seems more women surf than windsurf. Why is that? In order
> to make it into a "Top 10" list of myths I need 7 more.
>
> The other article I'd like to pitch is "Top 10 ways to get your
> S.O. into windsurfing." I'm looking at this article in terms of men
> getting their girlfriends or wives into the sport as it seems that's
> a common complaint. I have 9 points, although #s 3,4 and 5 could all be
> the same. Any thoughts, suggestions, concerns?
>
My favorite read is still the New England Windsurfing Journal. Small
stuff compared to the glossies, I know, but I sure enjoy it a lot. I
wrote a bunch of articles for that magazine and developed a fun creative
relationship with Peter, the editor. Maybe you can talk to him about this.

Claudius Lipbergen

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Sep 11, 2006, 9:34:18 PM9/11/06
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If you really are an objective journalist, have you considered that there
may really only be 3 Myths about windsurfing and only 9 Ways to get your SO
into Windsurfing, Three of Which are Kind of the Same?

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