Need recommendation on new 5.5 sail..
J. Mark Noworolski
I've been thinking a cambered sail, but am quite leery of this. Last time I
used a cambered sail (several years ago) - the damned thing proved near
impossible to get out of the water for a waterstart.
I've had the Neil Pryde V8 highly recommended to me, but am not at the point
of having made a decision yet. Wish I could try it first...
Anybody know of any demo days in the bay area?
mark
snowdrft
is windy enough. Check out Ezzy Sails. They are very durable and well
made. I own two and love them.
J. Mark Noworolski wrote in message ...
MTVNewsGuy
Go single cam if at all.
I just bought the 5.5 Naish Edge (no cams) and am very happy.
Michael
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Jeremy Goslin
"J. Mark Noworolski" wrote:
> I'm thinking of replacing my 10 year old RAF sail.
> I've been thinking a cambered sail, but am quite leery of this. Last time I
> used a cambered sail (several years ago) - the damned thing proved near
> impossible to get out of the water for a waterstart.
>
> I've had the Neil Pryde V8 highly recommended to me, but am not at the point
> of having made a decision yet. Wish I could try it first...
>
> Anybody know of any demo days in the bay area?
> mark
I would have thought cambers on a sail that size would have been a bit of
overkill, things seem to be moving away from cambers on anything but largish (7m
and over) race sails.
Usually I go for twin camber sails, but I just bought an Arrows Irokee (5.4)
which still has good power and stability but no cambers.. and all the advantages
that go with that.
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Sue and Mark Vizer
you have your choice. My wife and I actually find cammed sails easier to
water start since they stay up once you get them up, but not every one
agrees on this. We have new Synthesis models and found them to have great
range. Consider buying any new sail bigger than you think you need, since
you can down haul them all a whole lot more than your ten year old RAF.
J. Mark Noworolski <jmn@%munetix.com> wrote in message
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Revis
I agree with the no camber postings. You don't need them with a 5.5.
Try the Naish Edge or Koa; or the Sailworks Retro . . . i can personally
vouch for these sails; they are stable, fast, light, and easy to rotate.
There are other good non-camber sails, too.
Revis
charlesivey
easy to fly when starting, and best of all, holds its shape very well as the
wind picks up. This sail is powerful as it gears up and still holds at
speed. Truly legendary.
CI
Mike F
you can't answer that, why bother with them? Although you DEFINITELY,
ABSOLUTELY want a newer sail, you need cams only if you compete upwind. A
cam or two is fine, even for recreational sailing, but they's become quite
unecessary with today's camberless technology. And most sailmakers make fine
sails these days; what counts most is availability in your area.
Mike \m/
CD export
I have a NP V8 6.0 and a NP MPR 5.0. I find both sails work really well and
they are extremely stable when over powered. I don't think the cams make the
sail any more difficult to rig and the cambers have not yet popped off the mast
while rigging.
The V8 is more speed oriented while the MPR seems to be a wave/slalom sail with
a cam.
If you are in the Bay Area and don't plan to do any wave sailing, I would get a
sail with one or two cams. Just make sure to get the correct mast with the
sail.
Neil
Philip Mann
Personally I would recommend a Camless to Single cam sail in the 5.5
Size range. The V8 is a great sail in the larger sizes, but is a lot
of sail camberwise in a 5.5.
A single or no cam 5.5 will be a lot easier to waterstart and will
offer more manoverability in mid range conditions.
Feel free to give me a call if you have any questions.
Philip
Philip Mann
Inland Sea Windsurf Co.
1-888-INLANDC
1-802-862-3847
http://www.inlandsea.com
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Ellen Faller
and a 5.3 MPR, and can use my 5.5 Retro down to 4.5 thereby also
eliminating my old 4.7 MPR too.
Ellen
Ellen Faller
me, and 5 for teaching. At the moment.
J. Mark Noworolski
feeling of RAF familiarity for my 5.5 purchase, and plan on cambers for a
larger sail.
mark
no_brain...@my-deja.com
people who hate cambers as a belief; I think it's better to base your
judgment on personal experience. Cambers are still very relevant, depending
on your type of sailing.
My judgment is based on 16 years of windsurfing, and on yearly comparison
with all types of sails on holiday (windsurfing station, rental with Neil
Pryde sails from NR, over V8 to VX3).
If speed, windrange, stability and comfort in gusts are important to you, you
might want a sail with cambers. It's not without reason all pro's use
cambered sails in slalom and race.
As an example, compare 2 extremes for non-wave sailing:
-a pro-race sail with 3-4 cambers
-a non-cambered recreational sail
The speed, windrange, acceleration, pointing and controllability will be far
better with the pro-race sail, ONCE ON THE PLANE. The windrange of the
race-pro sail is much larger, due to better form-stability in low-wind, and
better control in high-wind. When you hit a lull, the race-pro will glide
through it, while with the non-cambered sail you fall off the plane.
The downside is that you will have to pump the race-pro sail onto the plane.
If you lean back and wait for things to happen, you'll wait a lot. But once
on the plane, you don't need a lot of pumping, provided your technique is OK.
The disadvantages of cambered sails you hear talking about are way exaggated.
-Rigging comfort. Rigging a cambered sail is a bit more work (you'll need
maybe 5 minutes more). On the other hand, you need to change sail less often.
I don't think it's very relevant, those 5 minutes on a few hours of sailing.
-Gybing. You'll feel the cambers changing side. It doesn't disturb me. But if
you're manoevering all the time, you don't want that.
-Waterstarting. If you use a race-pro sail, you'll have a wide mastsleevet
(like an aquarium). No problem if you're a good waterstarter, and if you're
quick enough; in that case there won't be much water in it. But, only
race-pro sails have wide mastsleeves. Freerace sails (like NP V8) have narrow
mastsleeves.
In article <si86sm...@corp.supernews.com>,
"J. Mark Noworolski" <jmn@%munetix.com> wrote:
> I'm thinking of replacing my 10 year old RAF sail.
> I've been thinking a cambered sail, but am quite leery of this. Last time I
> used a cambered sail (several years ago) - the damned thing proved near
> impossible to get out of the water for a waterstart.
>
> I've had the Neil Pryde V8 highly recommended to me, but am not at the point
> of having made a decision yet. Wish I could try it first...
>
> Anybody know of any demo days in the bay area?
> mark
>
>
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MTVNewsGuy
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Michael
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Lois Stufflebeam
>
> Sailworks Retro 5.5 is truly a legendary sail. Its great -- fast, light,
> easy to fly when starting, and best of all, holds its shape very well as the
> wind picks up. This sail is powerful as it gears up and still holds at
> speed. Truly legendary.
I agree!!!! Once you try a Retro, you'll never go back to cambers.
Lois
Mike F
<no_brain...@my-deja.com -- whoever the hell THAT is -- > wrote in
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If all that's true, why do so many well-qualified, knowledgeable, credible,
highly-skilled people on this forum alone praise the no-cams so highly for
everything except pro-level upwind competition ... and sign their names to
their posts?
> -Waterstarting. If you use a race-pro sail, you'll have a wide mastsleevet
> (like an aquarium). No problem if you're a good waterstarter, and if
you're
> quick enough; in that case there won't be much water in it. But, only
> race-pro sails have wide mastsleeves. Freerace sails (like NP V8) have
narrow
> mastsleeves.
And if THAT'S true, why did Elliot Leboe write, in huge, underlined print,
that the Gaastra F-1 was the most difficult-to-waterstart sail he'd ever
ridden?
Realize I have no stake in this argument. I ride small RAFs, not big camless
slalom sails, so I can't even speak from personal experience on the latter.
And I have no monetary stake at all. But I HAVE read enough praises here
from experts who have sailed the camless wundersailz that I'm convinced.
Mike \m/
Wal
They can be just as easy to rig as a camless, and easy to water-start.
Don't reject them out of hand.
Wal
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