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KarabaszJP
please contact me directly for specifics
JiM
Karl Ludwig Bonitz
"KarabaszJP" <karab...@aol.com> wrote
> please contact me directly for specifics
That´s a pitty! I own a Sting Ray 170 - love it - and would very much
like to know what others think about it...
Why keep it private?
Charlie
Yo Dude
This is rec.windsurfing. The whole point of this forum is to SHARE
opinions and information for the benefit of all who are interested.
Why on earth would you not post an opinion about a board someone's
asking about, when you've sailed the whole line extensively ?
Yo Dude
I have nothing whatsoever against Starboard Go's , but since so
little is mentioned here with regards to other light wind recreational
(but not formula) boards, I'd be very interested to know what other
boards you tried before deciding on the Sting Ray 170, and what made
you finally choose it?
Btw, did you also try the SR150, and if so, how did it compare to the
170? Any comments on your Sting Ray experiences and your sailing
conditions would be much appreciated.
cheers
DOn Tue, 5 Mar 2002 00:40:57 +0100, "Karl Ludwig Bonitz"
KarabaszJP
I was just trying to keep down the "clutter" plus this forum has industry
politics up to it's gills, and as these are my personal opinions. Since
everyone seems to be interested here goes ... Politics a side.
The StingRay 150/170/130 are the fastest of the freeride boards on the market.
Thin light stiff they handle both chop at high speed and early planing issues
amazingly well.Setting a rail is easy and holding that arc thru the turn is a
joy. The 170 can handle sails to 10.5 easily and is fun at 6M as well. You do
want to be aware that this model uses a Deep Tuttle box wich can limit your fin
selections in smaller fins. Speaking of fins I (kind of a BIG guy 6'2/248#)
find the stock fins soft. Which helps in the turns but is a hinderence at
getting up on a plane. I'm told by the manufacturer that I'm in the minority in
this opinion.
The 150 was our most request board everyone liked it. Early planing, but fun in
any breeze. The biggest sail we used on it was a 9M and the smallest was a
5M/5.5.
The 130 was highly requested by ladies looking for a lightwind board "that
won't beat them up" Here we dropped down to a 7.5 thr 5M. It probaby could have
used an 8.5 but no one ever requested that arrangement.
Construction is light and very durable We've had these boards in our demo fleet
since June/July of last year. each hull had over 100 hrs of HARD use, with only
minimal repairs. The Xrays have just come out and are the same dimensions as
the StingRays but have an ASA (plastic) skin for durability. We have not tested
the Xrays head to head with the StingRays yet so I can't offer a fair
comparison YET.
BTW If you want a opinion on Fanatics "Virtual Volume" (is this like the old
Mistral "hidden volume"?) Let me know I'm not bashful...but I need a break from
typing now I'm only a one finger wonder
I'm truly touched that the group is so interested in my personal opinions I'll
try not to hold back in the future.
Karl Ludwig Bonitz
"Yo Dude" <NOS...@NOSPAM.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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I had been riding the Tiga Free X 281 (= BIC Techno) for two years and
compared the Fanatic only to this experience.
The smaller Sting Rays are not "early planing" for my 95 kg...
The "170" "virtual volume" (virtual b*s*, which applies to other
brand´s virtual litering as well) was measured at 159 liters by German
"Surf" magazine.
The Bic is no match in any discipline except jibing and resistance
against impact.
The Sting Ray 170 exells in early planing, staying on a plane,
controlability, handling of chop, angle against the wind, speed - it
*is* really fast - yes and SPEED ;-):
Last year I fun-raced it (and "won" easyly) against some Gos, a
Roberto Ricci Formula board, two big early planig AHDs and a lot of
other stuff. (I´m *not* a good rider, my weight is 95 kg, but I used a
11m² Gun M6 Race sail, bigger than what the others had, so no fair
comparison, maybe...)
This board-sail combination doubled my time on the water and on a
plane last year.
This year´s choice of sail will be a 12,5 m² Gun M 7 with a 65 cm fin,
if they ever deliver...
On my home lake and on the Ijssel Sea (Netherlands) I could allways be
one of the first on a plane even without pumping. Only lighter guys
with big sails could be up on a plane as early...
It took some time to get used to the footstaps beeing as far outside
as they are, but I coud have changed their position further inwards.
Otah you need the extra distance from midboard to keep the board flat
when the riding gets rough and the fin wants to dance. Needs more
skill than the Techno...
The board is very stiff and light for it´s size.
You can put dents and small holes in it quite easyly, it´s a real
gelcoat sandwhich: not for beginners or family.
My gilrfriend was put off by the necessary length of fin: 50 cm
doesn´t make beach start easy for smaller people you need about two
feet of water...
The fin system is tuttle, *not* deep tuttle. I had to sand every other
brand fin to make it fit in the slot. I have to change the length of
screws from fin to fin. Screw heads stick out on the top without any
protection. You can hurt your bare foot quite badly.
Another thing to change is the design: blue-grey-white are no good
colours for a helicopter search...
The serial fin (Maui Fin Co. Free Sting 50) is allright for me up to
8,5m², I use a 58 cm Tekkno Sport Race Fin
http://www.tekknosport.de/h8.html
which takes a very determined stepping down on the leeward side to get
it into jibes. The Pro-Limit Race/Slalom55cm seems a bit stiff and
heavy to me.
I like jibing on the Sting Ray in that wide bend it takes. Handling
big sails on this board is easier for me than smaller sails on smaller
boards....
The angle it can go against the wind is quite incredible. You would
have to compare it to full breed formula boards.
It is much easyer to go downwind than on other boards I know, very
stable and fast. An additional foot strap in the rear middle would be
helpful.
Chop is not as bad as you would expect, you can even cut throughs
small breakers right on top of the board, you are not pushed to the
side like I knew it from the Techno.
The smallest sail I used on this board was a 6,3 m², but for lack of a
medium size board rather.
For my weight 8m² up to 12,5m² (I hope!) should be the right sizes...
If you only use up to 9m² the smaller Sting Ray should do it for you.
Did I say that I love this board? I do!
(Pardon my English)
Charlie
Yo Dude
this newsgroup so great!
Yo Dude
demoed the 150 but not the 170 (I weigh 70kg) and liked it's early
planing but compared to my bee 144 had a bit of a rough time (in
sloppy chop) coming to grips with some of the differences in ride and
required technique. Your post and Charlie's are much appreciated and
make this newsgroup a valuable resource.
>
>JIM
>www.extremewindsurfing.com
Menno
I have the M6 in 9.9 size.
Thinking about ordering the M7 in either 11.0 or 12.5.
What you write in your posting ("if they ever deliver") makes me
concerned about how long it will take to get the sail delivered.
Not only the sail, but also the mast.
Last year I had to wait quite long.
Did you already order, and what delivery time did they indicate?
helenf
when they're backed up by specifics like situations and experiences that's
when they become really useful imho.
I'm a 5'4 62kg beginner-intermediate (at least I was at the end of last
summer - who knows what the winter and lack of practice will have done to me
<g> ) i.e. I could tack and jibe, etc fairly proficiently on the sea, still
learning to waterstart, and I am looking for a good learning/improving board
that will still be a lot of fun when I get more advanced. Now I'm quite
prepared to go for a Starboard Go and I am impressed by the opinions about
them on this newsgroup, but I'd also like to know more about other board
makes as well.
I came across the Fanatic Xray 170 last weekend at a RYA dinghy/Windsurfing
show in London and I was told that it was a lot like the Go in dimensions
and handling and would be fine for me, using a 5.5-6m2 sail in Force 2-6
winds off the coast.
How does this square up with your (and others', of course) opinions and
experiences with this board?
--
Helen
guildford, uk.
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Karl Ludwig Bonitz
"Menno" <menno.ba...@cgey.nl> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Hello Charly/Karl,
>
> I have the M6 in 9.9 size.
> Thinking about ordering the M7 in either 11.0 or 12.5.
> What you write in your posting ("if they ever deliver") makes me
> concerned about how long it will take to get the sail delivered.
> Not only the sail, but also the mast.
>
> Last year I had to wait quite long.
Same here. That´s why I wrote "if they ever deliver".
> Did you already order, and what delivery time did they indicate?
I ordered the sail in November when they planned a 12,2m˛ sail which
would have fitted last year´s 5,50 m mast which I alreday had.
At the Duesseldorf "boot" fair in January their plans had changed: the
new 12,5m˛ needs a new 5,80 mast now...
They made me a very good price for the mast when I complained about
that, though.
I asked for a delivery date there and then and, after talking to the
Italian mast manufacturer, who happened to be there that day, the Gun
salesman said the mast would be ready for shipment by mid Febuary -
but we agreed to have it sent together with the new sail and new extra
long mast bag (can´t fit the 5,80 into my car, the 5,50 just fits in),
which he said might take up until early March...
I´m waiting every day now...
But just as you know, it might well be April before I see the new
sail.
Hope to not need it on Etang de Leucate/ south of France end of March
anyway. I´d rather ride my 3,4 there ;-)
When the new M7 arrives I can sell last year´s 11m˛ M6 (new: 839 DM)
for 250 Euro and the 550 mast (new: 789 DM) for 250 Euro. I´ll be
taking both to Makkum/Ijsselmeer in May. If you are interested, send
me a mail.
Charlie
David W
it's jibing capability.
I usual trust the reviews in Boards magazine here in the UK. They
commented that it's not the easiest of boards in its class to gybe
(the review is probably at www.boards.co.uk). However, I've just
picked up a copy of the US Windsurfing Mag and they give it top marks
for jibing.
So what's the reality for someone like me who's just starting to learn
to carve a board into a gybe?
Cheers
David
(Personal replies to david....@breathe.com)
"helenf" <helen...@autodesk.com> wrote in message news:<10154345...@hqnntp01.autodesk.com>...
Krzysztof Mruk
David W wrote:
> So what's the reality for someone like me who's just starting
> to learn to carve a board into a gybe?
The reality is, that Ray 150 is slightly detuned race board
with very flat rocker line. From definition it is not suited
as a gybe-learning board. For this purpose Fanatic just made
Cross 140
http://62.67.209.14/hardware/summer/windsurf/cross/cross.html
From other brands you have Starboard Carve, Bic Techno
Evolution Large, Exocet Slide/Speedslider and so on.
Anything that has "race" word in its description should be
removed from your list or you will make your learning much
harder.
Regards
Krzysztof Mruk
Poland
--
http://www.pbks.pl/czarnalaka
bingepalace
Please reply to the group, thanks
Tom
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> I was also at the RYA show, I am in the same situation, taller, but about
> the same weight. The guy on the Fanatic stand recommended that I looked at
> the E-Ray or Cross boards.
> By taking a slightly smaller board without dagger board you get a board
that
> will last a bit longer in terms of your ability, instead of having to buy
a
> new board in a few months time.
> I'm not sure about sailing in the sea, but I also took a look at the new
F2
> Discovery. The guy on the stand seemed really enthusiastic, but then
working
> for the importers he would, wouldn't he?!
> The other board recommended was one of the Bic Technos, although I can't
> remember which one. Possibly the one that is about 112ltrs, this seemed to
> be a pretty popular volume for me across the manufacturers ranges.
> That's about the end of my knowledge I'm afraid. Hope it helps in your
> decision, I'm still undecided though!
> Tom
Karl Ludwig Bonitz
"Karl Ludwig Bonitz" <karl....@t-online.de> schrieb
> > Thinking about ordering the M7 in either 11.0 or 12.5.
> > Last year I had to wait quite long.
> Same here. That´s why I wrote "if they ever deliver".
> > Did you already order, and what delivery time did they indicate?
> But just as you know, it might well be April before I see the new
> sail.
I asked about the delivery date at GUN this week and just as I feared
there is a delay of another 6 weeks...
They promised it for mid April now. I believe it when I see it.
[The smaller sizes are ready for shipment they said.]
Charlie