windsurfing and knee pain...
ron
wondering should I use ice for several days while my knee is sore or
just the first 24 hrs.This thing usually feels better after a few days
but this year its much worse.If I go to a Dr. he'll probly give me a
stronger anti-imflammatory.So Im taking advil.So should I ice my knee as
long as its still hurting or whatever?Any suggestions much appreciated.I
had hoped I could windsurf the rest of my life but now Im not so sure.
Thank you Ronnie
Jeff Feehan
jeff feehan
ron
an Md. as having osteoarthritis and he gave me lodine which gave me
headaches worse than the knee.Ive done a google search and come up with
3 ice packs a day and too much rest is not good.I do not have an injury
I think its an overuse thing Im already an avid walker.If anyone can
help thanks.Im wondering can a specific knee brace help?Thank youRonnie
jic
from using too large a fin for the board.
I did a little physio and bought a wider board and never had a problem
since.
I didn't even notice my knee problem while sailing but when I got out of the
water I found I couldn't bend them at all.
"ron" <ronnie...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Alan Ballow
was best recovery therapy, bicycle second best. He also said not to sail in
the straps. I ride a bike daily and have no problem no pain sailing bump
and waves in the straps.
I only swim when circumstances (wind dies, something breaks) dictate
and then my knee feels GREAT the next day.
Osteoarthritis is an easy diagnosis given your age and pain. I'll pop
a Vitamin I after a specially good day and find that makes a difference the
day after. I'll also wear a neoprene knee brace while sailing, if I
remember, just to remind myself I'm 57 y-o and no longer bulletproof.
"ron" <ronnie...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Jeff Feehan
i don't know much about knees, other than that i've had several knee
surgeries. i think that given your interest in continuing to sail,
it would be worthwhile to see an orthopedic specialist. your
problem may not be osteoarthritis, and even if it is, there may be
ways to get rid of the pain
my experience: i a now 43 yrs old. when i was about 20 yrs old, i tore
my acl. i had a few arthroscopic surgeries to remove torn meniscus
cartilage,
but didn't have the acl reconstructed. eventually i developed arthritis
in the knee - i was told it was because the "other" type of cartilage
(the one that covers the bone-ends) was being degraded because of
general instability in my knee - it was definitely unstable. my
understanding is that this would be considered "osteoarthritis"- it
would often ache after windsurfing - particularly on cold days,
but usually not while actually sailing. at least i didn't notice it
while sailing. anyway, when i was about 35 years old, i had the
acl reconstructed. my knee is much more stable, and, i do not experience
the arthritic pain anymore.
jeff feehan
Lurk
It is supposed to help rebuild the membrane or whatever between the bone.
I'm 52 and it certainly lessened knee pain for me.
I don't intend to give up windsurfing soon - I've bought too much new gear
recently!
Jim
"ron" <ronnie...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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ron
knee pain starts at quadricep area as a tiredness soreness pain,then
spreads to ball of the knee.Im wondering does cold water make this worse
as it tightens muscles?This is another area I have to do specialized
exercises for to continue to play at life.I dont understand the post
about not using the straps tho.I think I shouldnt sail unless Im both
straps!I have ridden a bike and I hear this may help,Ive also
rollerbladed and I think this exaccerbates the situation.Im an avid
walker and before this I was starting to walk hills more. This is not an
injury but an overuse type of thing as my elbows are aching already this
year from too much too soon I guess.Found a good regimen on google for
knee pain. Thanks can you help anymore.Ronnie
Jeff Feehan
ron wrote:
> Hi Jeff I sailed twice this week and today Im using a cane to walk.
sorry to hear this.
>My knee pain starts at quadricep area as a tiredness soreness pain,then
> spreads to ball of the knee.
while arthritis may be involved, it sounds like there is a possibility
that other things may be contributing to your pain. i would really see
an orthopedic surgeon - a knee specialist. as i said, my arthritis went
away after my knee was fixed. a lot of knee issues are cleared up just
with physical therapy.
who knows, you may have torn something without knowing it. in addition
to my knee surgeries, i had to have shoulder surgery because i tore
a ligament there too. but, the funny thing is that i had no recollection
of injuring the shoulder - i have no idea how i tore the ligament. in
fact, i was treated for bursitis for several months before i went o
a shoulder specilaist who diagnosed the torn ligament. my shoulder
is now fine.
jeff feehan
Glenn Woodell
ronnie...@webtv.net says...
>
>At the age of 55 Im experiencing knee pain during windsurfing.
At 39 I was diagnosed with osteoarthritis as well. It hit me rather quickly
but was characterized by pain in the knee cap when the knee was under load and
bent about 30 degrees. It was quite crippling to me sine I am already an
above-knee amputee.
Being faced with possible surgery, my doc suggested that I start taking
glucosamine sulfate. It worked worders for me! Within a couple of weeks my
knee pain disappeared. I have gone off it a few times and each time the pain
comes back right away.
Start with 1500 mg for about 4 weeks then taper down to 500 per day after
that. I was amazed at how well it has worked. I go with the cheap stuff, the
generic variety. Sometimes you can get it at the local drug store (house
brand) as a buy one get one free.
After two years of taking it I have absolutely no knee pain at all.
Glenn
Mike F
Mike \m/
"ron" <ronnie...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Ben Kaufman
If you're not allergic to shellfish, have you tried Glucosamine? It seems to
help some people.
Ben
Lois Stufflebeam
> One word: Doctor.
>
Absolutely! This is no place to get your knee pain diagnosed. If it
is arthritis, there are things that can be done.
Glucosamine/chondroitin works really well for some people. Surgery
such as a lateral release can also help. I had this done awhile back
and it has done wonders for my pain. There are also injections (the
name escapes me now) which also work well for some. Nancy Lopez the
golfer has this done for severe arthritis in her knee. Plain old
Advil or some of the more expensive new drugs such as Celebrex are
another option. But back to the doc, you really need to see an
orthopod to get a definitive diagnosis and check out your treatment
options.
Nurse Lois
(still getting big air on her old arthritic knees)
Mike F
You ask the 'net for advice 'cause your car won't run. Advice includes wash
it, replace the frammis, put magnets on the fuel line, rebuild the engine,
and talk to a mechanic.
Which one makes more sense?
Which one is most likely to solve the real problem ... that you're trying to
start it with the key to your wife's golf cart instead of your car key?
Which is more likely to be harmed relying on remote analysis based on
minimal symptom descriptions?
At least one suggestion in this thread is proven to do more harm than good
in the majority of cases, and you'll notice that they are all over the map
...like my analogy.
Which is more important to you, that specific car or that specific knee?
And better yet, talk to more than one doctor, ESPECIALLY if the first one
wants to "go in there with a scope and tune that baby up" without a
specific, radiologically-demonstrated, second-opinion-supported reason to do
so. Arthroscopic debridement is a statistical loser.
And before you see the doctors, read Dr. Bob Arnot's book, "Wear and Tear".
I've found more useful information on aches and pains in it than I've found
in decades of reading and years of writing on this topic. Everyone who's
ever had any joint ache, hurt, or wear out; who plans to live to the ripe
old age of 15; who gets ANY exercise, including walking to the refrigerator
or pointing the remote at the TV; who is one of those strange people who
dislike excruciating, crippling pain; who has kids; or who can spell OA
(osteoarthritis) should read this book, IMO.
Mike \m/
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Jeff Feehan
Mike F wrote:
>
> At least one suggestion in this thread is proven to do more harm than good
> in the majority of cases, and you'll notice that they are all over the map
> ...like my analogy.
> Which is more important to you, that specific car or that specific knee?
>
> And better yet, talk to more than one doctor, ESPECIALLY if the first one
> wants to "go in there with a scope and tune that baby up" without a
> specific, radiologically-demonstrated, second-opinion-supported reason to do
> so. Arthroscopic debridement is a statistical loser.
mike, don't know if you are referring to my post, but i did _not_ suggest
that he needed an arthroscopy. i was only explaining how i originally
got my
arthritis after an injury. also, i am pretty sure that in my case i needed
to have the little pieces of cartilage removed, so while the process may
sometimes (even often) be done when it isn't needed, there are times when
it can help. in my case, the pieces were stuck in the joint in a way that
stopped the knee from extending. i was told that the pieces had virtually
no chance of surviving an attempt to repair them. that was some time ago
however, and the repair may work better now.
i suggested that he see another doctor.
i definitely agree with your recommendation for a second opinion if
surgery is
suggested.
jeff feehan
Mike F
are definite risks to further, serious damage, and are well worth removing.
The arthroscopy problem is the number of people, like myself, who are told
that a general-purpose debridement can fix that sucker right up, but are not
told the downside statistics. My comment was addressed at meniscectomies,
which were common decades ago for any old meniscus tear but are proving to
lead to horrible knee pain and debilitation as the knee ages. An imperfect
meniscus is far better than no meniscus.
The doc who told me "I don't know what's wrong, but I'm sure arthroscopy
will help" is a highly regarded major pro football team consulting orthopod.
But when the next three orthopods I consulted informed me that the cure rate
is poor and the likelihood of further debilitation is high, I cancelled my
surgery and take some Tylenol occasionaly. That was 8-10 years ago and the
knee is better now than it was then.
Elbow's next.
Mike \m/
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Mark Holden
the same as an earlier incident when it healed itself.
I was wrong, and wasted a year of my life being a cripple unnecessarily [I
needed surgery, is ok now].
Get a professional opinion or 2; don't tell yourself "he'll just say this or
that". you don't know what he or she will say until you ask [and are
examined].
try to get a recommendation [find out who's good].
regards, Mark Holden
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ron
have high deductables and surgery and or xrays and differant opinions
are not viable options at the present.Im pretty sure this is cartilage
wearing thin kind of thing comes with the territory thing. I found some
exercises to do and some not to do on google. Ronnie Roanoke
Glenn Woodell
ronnie...@webtv.net says...
>
>Thanks all for response. Im going to try glucosamine and see what up.
Not a bad idea. If it does not help then it will be obvious. It can't hurt to
try. The condrointon that come come with is not necessary. It's the
glucosamine that does the trick. And the sulfate is supposed to be better than
the hydrochloride which I believe is the other form.
My ortho surgeon is the one who suggested it in my case with surgery as a last
resort. Talking to a doc though might be a good idea. In one similar case
here, the guy only needed to do some thigh strenthtening exercises to get the
patella to track in the center where it belongs. Not in my case though.
Good luck.
Glenn
Mike F
replaceable, the other only crudely so.) You have no means of knowing
whether it's cartilage or muscle imbalance or gait or injury or shoes or
heel pounding (see "Wear and Tear") or knee alignment or any of several
other causes, many of which can be corrected for the price of a good
restaurant dinner.
Knee problems do not "come with the territory" any more than wrinkles,
high-frequency hearing loss, heart disease, Type II diabetes, high blood
pressure, irritable bowel syndrome, tooth decay, obesity, osteoarthritis,
STDs, skin cancer, even many other types of cancer to a lesser and/or less
understood degree. These are all often -- maybe even usually --
self-inflicted, preventable, reversible problems, only mildly exacerbated by
genetics in some cases.
Your knee problem was very likely preventable, may very well be completely
curable (maybe cheaply), is very likely reducible, and is likely to do worse
with self-treatment than with professional care.
How much is your mobility over the next 30 years, let alone your WSing the
next 20, worth to you?
Mike \m/
"ron" <ronnie...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Glenn Woodell
>have high deductables and surgery and or xrays and differant opinions
>are not viable options at the present.
Ron, heck. Just do what I did and whack the darn thing off. It will only
hurt for a little while. You'll have access to primo parking spaces, you'll
only wear out one shoe at a time, and if you can still windsurf afterwards
like I do you will have a darn good excuse for not making all your jibes. :)
Just kidding of course. I just couldn't resist the opportunity.
Glenn
Ben Kaufman
Give it at least one month.
Ben
ron
Hampton and show ya! Ronnie