A bit of fun with freestyle - jumping the booms
pierre...@hotmail.com
If anyone wants to take it up, let me know and will try to explain.
Or any other tricks, esp. longboard ones, rail rides, etc.
Just post on YouTube or reply here.
wind.sh@dow
may read? Thanks.
wind.sh@dow
wrote:
>Very nice! Would you care to post any tips right here so that everyone
>may read? Thanks.
Bump, still interested in your tips.
Michael
this video, plus (more alarmingly) starting from a standard sailing
position, and then kipping his legs up underneath the boom and coming
completely around, landing on the deck again.
How old is this clip, Pierre...are you sailing tie on booms now? It's
great regardless!
nikita
The best tip I ever received on LW-freestyle was the strong suggestion
to do Sail Chi (playing with a simulator on land) from Andy Brandt. I
did practice on land a couple of times before I went to his clinic,
but he really brought it home by showing the different moves you can
practice and showing how that practice can help you on the water. You
can learn almost anything on land - from helitacks and sail-360s to
back-to-sail and other stuff. It's amazing how little wind you need
for those exercises and how much you can learn in just an hour of
doing things on land.
For example, I had been trying duck tacks in light winds and could not
figure out how it could possibly work. Andy showed us an exercise:
standing on land, holding the sail by the clew with the mast pointing
INTO the wind. If you can control the sail and keep it vertical, by
just moving the clew, you'll get the hang of how to throw the sail
into the wind and not get it slammed into the water or yourself. I was
completing duck tacks on the water within two weeks!
So that's the advice I give to people who are trying to learn various
techniques - practice on land. Don't be embarrassed to set your board
on the beach and jump around for a while. It will save you a lot of
time and aggravation on the water later.
pierre...@hotmail.com
> Very nice! Would you care to post any tips right here so that everyone
> may read? Thanks.
Sure can.
I've been doing this move for quite a few years, saw 1-2 other dudes
do it in World Championships long time ago.
OK, let's start:
- equipment: works best on old-style windsurfer and old booms. Them's
board have buoyancy to land on, and booms have just enough curve to
fit in between with the legs. Whatever equipment, make sure booms are
tied solid. I have jumped on much smaller board, but less sure than
the one-design, which I land 95% of the time if wind is strong enough.
You would think lower booms would help, but not really. I like to use
high booms for leverage. Must better feeling too, higher in the air!!
If booms are high, you pull yourself up. If too low, you just lean on
them, not enough pull.
- conditions: strong wind, at least 17-19 km/h. More difficult in just
fair wind, and don't bother to try in light winds.
- getting into position: this is standard inside-the-boom, back-to-
front sailing. There are many ways to get into it, I like to go back-
to-back, then just tack as in the Tube. Or just spin around and under
the boom when on a beam reach at full speed. By the way, sailing that
way is very relaxing once you get the hang of it. You can drive strong
winds, easy on shorter boards as well, you can gybe out of it, and so
on. Good for resting the biceps (you're pushing). I used to try to
jump wave from that position - that was crazy, imagine the foot
placement.
- preparing to jump: sail back-to-front comfortably on a beam reach
(75-90 degrees). Wind must be strong and constant, arms must be well
rested, else won't work. When ready, start bearing a bit downwind, but
very little, perhaps 100 degrees max. And lean stronger on booms.
- jumping: as you bear a little, the wind picks up in sail and starts
lifting the rig and you up. If wind abates, abort and come back to
beam reach. If wind pulls you, you're ready! Lift your entire weight
onto the boom, with a bit of a jump
- in the air: the rig keep pulling you higher once you leave the
board. Hope you calculated right! If so, then by the time you start
crossing to the other side, the sail if near vertical. You just then
drop on the board.
- landing: the board tends (for me at least) to go a bit upwind upon
landing. Just manage that, that's all! You're ready to resume the
sail!
Falls and bumps: both feet hit the boom = heavy fall on the board. One
foot crosses, the other not = watch the balls.
Well, that's it. As I was saying, I would like to give step-by-step
for all sort of other moves, from basic railrides to moves that I do
not know other people do. Will consider and field questions/comments.
Please do suggest other topics.
Thanks for interest and 'luck...
P.
pierre...@hotmail.com
> How old is this clip, Pierre...are you sailing tie on booms now? It's
> great regardless!
Clip is recent (this year), some stills are old. Bought the board for
$25 (not a joke) in a garage sale.
> Years ago I saw Alf Imperato teach boomjumping...both the move in
> this video, plus (more alarmingly) starting from a standard sailing
> position, and then kipping his legs up underneath the boom and coming
> completely around, landing on the deck again.
Would love to see that move, which sounds a lot better!.
No offense, but I found over the years that people confuse from afar
those similar-looking moves, which end up being a lot different or
much easier (or harder) than the crowd sees it. For instance, the
different railrides have an incredible amount of difficulties between
them, yet all look the same to most viewers.
Can you find a clip? In any event, thanks for comments.
pierre...@hotmail.com
Dry practice: I tend to agree in general, but not in this case. This
is a high-wind move that requires the dynamics of shifting the board
downwind a bit at the last minute.
Duck tacks: I agree that it's practiceable on dry. Don't forget to
squat a lot - the more you do it, the less you need point mast into
the wind (which is the right tip). For variation, I have a duck tack
on the railride, might put on YouTube as a joke at some point...
Raidrides: almost not practiceable on dry. The feel of being on the
rail can be experienced on the beach, but not the pulling, which is
the hard part.
All IMO comments.
nikita
>
> Dry practice: I tend to agree in general, but not in this case. This
> is a high-wind move that requires the dynamics of shifting the board
> downwind a bit at the last minute.
>
> Duck tacks: I agree that it's practiceable on dry. Don't forget to
> squat a lot - the more you do it, the less you need point mast into
> the wind (which is the right tip). For variation, I have a duck tack
> on the railride, might put on YouTube as a joke at some point...
>
>
Pierre, don't you think that a big part of the move is just getting
yourself over the boom and pivoting in the air at the same time? I bet
this is something that one could do on land, in much less wind than
what you use on the water. In fact, I find that many moves, even
though you cannot replicate them completelyon land, can be replicated
at least in part. The nice part about being on land is that you can do
so much more in the same amount of time - you don't have to uphaul, go
upwind, or deal with the board bouncing under you. You can also
practice in ways that you can't on the water - for example, holding
the clew with the mast pointed into the wind cannot work on the water.
Some other moves, like railrides, are obviously not doable on land.
That one is 80% board control, so have to do it on the water.
I'd love to see your video of a duck tack during a rail ride. Can't
even imagine how you would do it. I am having a tough time helitacking
out of it as it is...
pierre...@hotmail.com
> I'd love to see your video of a duck tack during a rail ride. Can't
> even imagine how you would do it. I am having a tough time helitacking
> out of it as it is...
OK Nikita, I just started a post for the Tube that answers your
question (I hope).
See "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_s9sR9nxSQ".
Wind noise, warts and all.
NG thread is titled: "Fun with old-style freestyle - tacking the rail
ride (railride)".
There are couple more ways to tack a RR, but I don't have time to make
movies of it, so this is a start...
BTW, if you really duck tack (as in duck under the sail and end up on
the other side), then you don't helitack, right? You helitack out of
staying on same side of boom after tacking, then helitack into a clew-
first, then sail 180 to normal. A great, fun small board, high-wind
move. I can also post the helitack from a railride, by the way ;-)
P.
nikita
> NG thread is titled: "Fun with old-style freestyle - tacking the rail
> ride (railride)".
>
> There are couple more ways to tack a RR, but I don't have time to make
> movies of it, so this is a start...
>
> BTW, if you really duck tack (as in duck under the sail and end up on
> the other side), then you don't helitack, right? You helitack out of
> staying on same side of boom after tacking, then helitack into a clew-
> first, then sail 180 to normal. A great, fun small board, high-wind
> move. I can also post the helitack from a railride, by the way ;-)
>
> P.
That new video is really interesting. Towards the end you are not
really "rail-riding" - you are basically riding the board upside down!
This is ridiculous. Not sure how your mast/u-joint allow for that. The
duck-tack in that position is quite impressive.
Unfortunately, I don't own a long-board like this and I don't think I
am getting one. I've been trying rail rides with my shortboards (X-
Cite 135 and my 100L boards) and they seem quite challenging. I don't
have the dagger to step onto and the board seems to be very tippy
(front to back) when on the rail. If I take one wrong step, the nose
or the tail just sink and I fall off.
Thanks for sharing. I don't think I can do what you do, but I will
keep practicing rail rides. Helitacking out of them seems the most
natural way to get out - it flips the board down in the process. I
will stick with the duck tacks on a flat board. :)
pierre...@hotmail.com
>
> you are basically riding the board upside down!
> This is ridiculous. Not sure how your mast/u-joint allow for that.
Mast step must be snuggly in, I put duct tape around and bang it in.
But when upside down I also put a lot of weight to balance it out. In
the end, there's not that much weight on the mast foot.
> The duck-tack in that position is quite impressive.
It's a balancing act, real hard on the shoulders, esp. in strong
winds. Falls are spectacular, as you get violently flipped to leeward
with the body stuck inside the boom. Fun stuff !
> I don't own a long-board like this and I don't think I am getting one.
If you live in a windy place, ocean-side, then don't. I wouldn't in
Sydney or Hawaii. But most other places, I hate those 10 meter sails
just to pretend that I'm planing in 4-knot winds. That's why I have
long boards. They're great for learning new med-size boards, or lower
winds (say 22km/h or less), which is 75% of the time on most in-land
windsurfing spots.
> I've been trying rail rides with my shortboards (X-
> Cite 135 and my 100L boards) and they seem quite challenging.
It is a challenge. The 135 should be simpler. The newer generation
boards 140L are real easy to RR, 135 is borderline but gets easy after
a while. 100L I wouldn't bother - never could do it reliably. By the
time I need that kinda board, there's wind and better things to do !!
On the 135, trick is to put all the weight vertically. I will try to
post something.
> I don't have the dagger to step onto and the board seems to be very tippy
> (front to back) when on the rail. If I take one wrong step, the nose
> or the tail just sink and I fall off.
Yep I know. I used the dagger for those clips, but will post one soon
on basic RR pulling, where I don't use it. I was actually hurt (back)
for those clips, so I got lazy.
You're right about the back rocker when railing those boards, it's
annoying. Then again, the Bics 150L or so are really stable nowadays,
even the rail is wide and comfy for the feet!
> Thanks for sharing. I don't think I can do what you do
Sure you could, I know it !!
> will stick with the duck tacks on a flat board. :)
Yes, but for the fun of it, duck and come back inside the boom, facing
the wind. Once you're used to it, it's really comfortable on a small
board, great feeling ! Took me a full bloody year before I got it, but
now it's a great way to rest when I get tired.
P.
nikita
I have enough equipment already. And I am more than happy to fool
around on my 100/135 in 8mph and try all sorts of light wind tricks.
The 100L is a board I can do (or at least try) geckos on, so it has
value even in low wind. (Plus, it's just such an interesting balancing
exercise!)
The duck tack off a railride seems pretty impossible on my equipment,
though. You are right - all the pressure in a railride on my boards
has to be vertical. I can't use the dagger for balance. The sail seems
essential for balancing. So I think it will be super tricky to
actually let go of the sail during the duck and still maintain any
sort of balance. Maybe I am wrong, but at my level I can't even think
about doing it.
Trying to get inside the sail off a duck is an interesting idea. I
will try that! Not sure if my boom is wide enough, but worth a try. I
could also try to throw the sail completely behind the back, I guess.
pierre...@hotmail.com
> I am more than happy to fool
> around on my 100/135 in 8mph and try all sorts of light wind tricks.
> The 100L is a board I can do (or at least try) geckos on, so it has
> value even in low wind. (Plus, it's just such an interesting balancing
> exercise!)
Great attitude !!!! My longboarding and lightwind outings help my
smaller board things a lot (when I do, which is rare these days, not
being on the ocean any more).
I see too many people that don't go out because "they're too good for
the wind". Their loss. When the wind does pick up, they can't do
moves, same sailing year after year.
Lots to be learned in tamer 17-20 km/h wind.
> Not sure if my boom is wide enough
You should be able even with the flattest booms. I do, and I' ve seen
it on some YouTubes too (maybe I'll post myself). You need very little
space to fit in. I'm so used to it, I can't say if one you start
learning with rounder booms. I don't know.
Good luck, and again a winning attitude !!
Michael
did it at the 2000 King of the Cape and I remember the mags naming
it...but I don't remember the name. Looks amazing, though!
Meanwhile (attention Pierre) check out this vintage clip of a
freestyler 20-something years ago on gear similar to yours doing some
twisted moves that might be right up your alley.
http://www.peconicpuffin.com/the_peconic_puffin/2007/05/old_school_free.html
pierre...@hotmail.com
> There is a name for riding the bottom of the board like that...someone
> did it at the 2000 King of the Cape and I remember the mags naming
> it...but I don't remember the name. Looks amazing, though!
Nah, it's simple 'coz the board is stable upside down. It's called an
Everoll, from Gary Eversole, the best at freestyle in late 70's and
early 80's. It's easy again, am considering putting a 'tube on this.
> Meanwhile (attention Pierre) check out this vintage clip of a
> freestyler 20-something years ago on gear similar to yours doing some
> twisted moves that might be right up your alley.
I've seen that video, have commented on it somewhere else. I ran into
this guy in the late 80's at Balmoral Beach. He borrowed my gear at
the time and modified it, my (surf) mates wanted to beat him up as he
touched it, but that's the way it goes in Sydney - rugby town.
I may put up more "HOW-TO" videos of old days, as in basic rail rides
or fancier moves.
As I said, I'm frigging stuck here, nothing else to do. People here
think that 25 km/h is strong and they sail with kleenex-size sails. I
miss Sydney and Wonda beach and Balmoral beach and the sheilas...
P.
wind.sh@dow
>On Aug 2, 7:03 pm, Michael <MichaelAl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> There is a name for riding the bottom of the board like that...someone
>> did it at the 2000 King of the Cape and I remember the mags naming
>> it...but I don't remember the name. Looks amazing, though!
>
>Nah, it's simple 'coz the board is stable upside down. It's called an
>Everoll, from Gary Eversole, the best at freestyle in late 70's and
>early 80's. It's easy again, am considering putting a 'tube on this.
I drew a blank when Michael said it had a name, but you are so correct
as you know.
I've gone silent on this thread as I am in shock at your sailing. I'm
anxious for 3 knots so I can go play, but it is hot and still.
pierre...@hotmail.com
> I drew a blank when Michael said it had a name, but you are so correct
> as you know.
> I've gone silent on this thread as I am in shock at your sailing. I'm
> anxious for 3 knots so I can go play, but it is hot and still.
Noo000!!!! Don't wait for 3 knots, it depends on the move, most need
more wind, some a lot more. It's not a matter of starting in low
winds. Choosing the right speed at the beginning is important.
Tell me if you're thinking of ducking on the rail, pulling the rail,
riding the Everole (which I haven't gotten into yet - it's a
complicated one), jumping the booms, and then we'll talk wind
conditions and equipment.
3 knots is too low for any of these. It's good for fooling around with
the sail with a floater, no more.
I'll feed you best I can. My next Tube is gonna be about pulling up
the basic (windward, forward) rail ride if that can help ...
Cheers for now,
P.
wind.sh@dow
>3 knots is too low for any of these. It's good for fooling around with
>the sail with a floater, no more.
Understood, I've had less than three knots for a week. I'm already
trying jumping through the booms.
pierre...@hotmail.com
> On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:28:36 -0700, pierrecou...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >3 knots is too low for any of these. It's good for fooling around with
> >the sail with a floater, no more.
>
> Understood, I've had less than three knots for a week. I'm already
> trying jumping through the booms.
Wow, that's guts ! Watch for them balls !
wind.sh@dow
Don't worry! We call them "the family jewels". :)
pierre...@hotmail.com
"All three of them"... ;-)
I've seen "twig and berries" used down here.
pierre...@hotmail.com
>
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Hey Michael,
in the same vein, see Tube "http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=UGxfTP7f1vE". I'm trying to impart instructions should one wanna try
rather than sail flat all day. Thought you might find entertaining.
Will try to post Tube on more complicated moves from there.
Cheers mate, be safe,
PC.
ssnod...@foxrothschild.com
The one where you stand on the bottom of the board is called an
"Everroll" probably misspelled. I have seen Andy do it. It is quite
old school, but really cool.
On Aug 2, 7:03 pm, Michael <MichaelAl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is a name for riding the bottom of the board like that...someone
> did it at the 2000 King of the Cape and I remember the mags naming
> it...but I don't remember the name. Looks amazing, though!
>
>
pierre...@hotmail.com
>
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Hi ssnodgr & Mike,
sorry, I beg to differ about the name. It's an Everole. It's taken
after
Gary Eversole, then (late 1970s, early 80s) the best at these things.
The
very name comes from his own book early 1980 then-bible on freestyle -
he invented both moves and gave it the name in print then.
Anyways, you're right, neat stuff can be done from the Everole (or
whatever the name). The board is OK stable once upside down, but
getting into and out of it nicely is the challenge.
No biggy mate, I quickly concocted Tube at:
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11ALqy4ose8"
where I get into it, then reverse the process and end up on the rail
ride again. Unless one falls, one could do it all day: ride rail,
reverse to stern-first Everole, reverse direction into rail ride, and
so on.
At the end of the movie, the front-to-back with a spin into an Everole
is one violent move - it is recommended to succeed, else you get
violently backwinded.
Cheers mate,
PC.
pierre...@hotmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Woops, better quality at "http://www.zapiks.fr/naviguer-avec-la-
planche-a-v.html". YouTube sucks.