Warning DO NOT BUY FROM WINDSURFING DIRECT
fly2ryde
everywere. I recently bought a windsurfer from them. I told them I was
a beginner and wanted to learn on my lake if possible. I asked how much
water are was needed to learn to surf, they said if you have less than
half a football field with 5 mph winds that is all I needed. I am now
finding out from people in Hatteras N.C that the idea of there
requirements to learn how to windsurf was LUDACRIS. Come to find out
they told me my lake was big enough just to sell me their product. When
I called to return the board they said they only took things back
within 30 days. This is understandable unless you were blatenly lied
to. I have heard that many other people are very unsatisfied with the
way they do buisness.AGAIN DO NOT BUY FROM WINDSURFING-DIRECT.
Alan
Alan
--
Windsurfing Club: http://www.ibscc.org
"fly2ryde" <Lcast...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Zephyr
I am not affiliated with windsurfing-direct in any way, except to say
that I have made a single purchase from them 1.5 years ago. I was
quite happy with the product.
As far as the suggestion that you can learn to sail on a pond the size
of half a football field with 5 mph wind, yes you could learn to surf
in that size area. Infact if you are learning without other help, a
smaller area is better because there is no place to get blown to that
you can't walk back from. physically is it possible to sail on such a
small body of water? yes. I learned sailing on small resevoirs and
lakes. I think the questions as to the size of the body of water is
more relevant when you include the aspect of how much fun will it be.
On a small body of water you have to turn excessivly, the wind is often
shadowed by buildings or trees, and the water may not be deep enough
for your fin. Personally I prefer to sail in a location that gives me
the chance to make runs perpendicular to the prevaling wind direction
of at least a 1/2 mile. However, in a lot of places that may not be
possible. Heck in France theres a guy who regularly sails in a ditch
that can't be much more than 50 feet wide, its just long and skinny,
but he loves it.
Aside from those fortunate folk who live right close to water I think
most people end up having to drive a decent distance (1 hr or greater)
to get to a body of water that is decent.
There is benifit in that though, you get to meet up with other
sailers. Sailing with others helps in hundreds of ways. nevermind the
friendships and good times.
Look up a local club, they can point you to some of the local sites
that are good for sailing. Don't be discouraged by your dinky pond
close by, if its close wet and windy, and you don't have much time,
sail it! But don't give up just cause you have to travel a bit to
get to water, so does (almost) everyone else.
Dave
Tom Whittemore
you for learning? We have people who will windsurf on Round Lake off
exit 10 of the Northway in upstate NY. That's only about a mile wide.
We also have beginneers who are looking to buy good begineers boards.
Are you close to this area?
nikita
steps. In fact, you don't even necessarily need water! I spend a fair
amount of time on the beach these days just working on sail handling. I
also teach my friends various aspects of sailing on the beach. In the
water, if you can go for 50-100yds in a straight line, that's all you
need as a beginner. It's only when you start going really fast
(planing) that you'd need lots more space.
What has been the source of your frustration (except for WD's
response)? Maybe we can help here?
Jerry McEwen
I agree with everyone who has replied. Please know that we do not want
to tell you you are wrong, but rather to help you.
I am taking you literally where you said, " I asked how much water are
was needed to learn to surf..." Are you expecting to jump 5 foot waves
on a small pond? If you want to learn how to drive Grand Prix in your
driveway, surely you realize that is impossible. My point is that from
what you said, I cannot see where they misguided you, but you may have
done that yourself. Now, if that sold you gear that is terrible for
learning, that's a legitimate complaint.
As for the people in Hatteras, there are tons of great sailors there,
but we don't know who you talked to. If you ask a casual snow skier if
a small hill is good to learn on, they will say "sure;" but I bet if
you ask a professioanal skier if that hill is good, they will laugh at
you.
What did you buy? What do you weigh? Tell us more about your pond.
Claudius Lipbergen
this year and have had no problems at all. Just got my sail. Very
satisfied. But I did not ask for the type of advice you asked for.
(How big IS your lake?)
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Tsunami
So you thought "gee windsurfing looks good" and then did not ask any other
stores, or any people who windsurf, or anyone who professionally instructs
windsurfing.... you just went and spent $1000 plus....... and are now
unhappy with the result? And now want to come on here and defame them?
You'll be lucky if they don't sue you!!!
Their advice, as given to you, was correct.
God help us all if you decide you'll try your hand at aeroplane flying
(That's the trouble with the internet N.G's, one of the best defamation
tools ever invented. I get sick of seeing posts like this about everything
from car mechanics, to eBay sellers to windsurf retailers).
cosmicharlie
to start out on a small pond like that. Learning how to uphaul and
steady your rig is much easier in flat water as we all know. Tsunami
wrote:
cosmicharlie
the Lake I learned on. I was impressed as to how small it was compared
to where I've been sailing since then. However, back then I thought it
was HUGE. I tell the story of my first and only walk of shame on that
lake as if I had been on Lake Superior.
Jerry McEwen
and how few there are, I hate to see one beat down like this. I want
to give the OP the benefit of the doubt until he gives us a clear
picture of things, but if I were in his shoes and had come here and
posted that flame, I would be refreshing the group by now to read the
responses and would have replied. It seems like he may be more
interested in harming the dealer's reputation than in getting help and
feedback on his situation.
OP, if you read this, you know it is backfiring.
fly2ryde
yds and a mile this is a big difference
fly2ryde
pilot. and indeed do fly airplanes. try to use somthing a little less
common
Dan Weiss
-Dan
fly2ryde
Steve Elliott
Steve
"fly2ryde" <Lcast...@aol.com> wrote in news:1156351426.906294.103080
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Ellen Faller
on a large one. Lots of people learn on small lakes that are
approximately 50 yards wide. Just as Zephyr said.
I'm still not clear on why Windsurfing Direct is a guilty party here so
perhaps you could provide more information regarding your problem.
You may have a perfectly good board that does not need to be replaced.
Ellen
vi...@adelphia.net
What kind of sail handling exercises do you do on land?
Do you rig a smaller sail just for this.
Do you attach it to the board without a fin?
Curious.
Vic
Jerry McEwen
wrote:
>Back to something a bit more on topic, what gear did you purchase?
>
>-Dan
It looks like this is his very gear:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Brand-New-Hifly-Mambo-Complete-Package_W0QQitemZ140018369344QQcmdZViewItem
Here is the description from Windsurfing Direct:
The HiFly Mambo is an all new second generation WideStyle design for
everyday windsurfers. The model is specifically designed to replace
our successful Magnum. Its 175 liters in volume so it is perfect for
people 100 to 185 lbs in body weight. The Mambo features a daggerboard
for increased lightwind performance and greater stability. You can
learn and progress on this quick to plane allround board. The Mambo is
sold board only or Complete. All blow molded HiFly boards carry a
lifetime warranty and our famous 30 day money back guarantee so you
can be sure it is the right board for you.
It's sounding more and more like the the problem is that OP asked the
dealer whether or not the pond was large enough. Unless I missed it,
OP will not tell us what body of water this is.
OP is sounding more and more like cosmiccharlie.
Jerry McEwen
This is probably the pond in question, which looks to be about 10
miles away: http://www.dcr.state.va.us/parks/pictures/holfotos.htm
Lately I sail several times a week on a piace of water no bigger than
that.
Here are more photos:
http://www.dcr.state.va.us/parks/pictures/clayfoto.htm
http://www.dcr.state.va.us/parks/pictures/doufotos.htm
http://www.dcr.state.va.us/parks/pictures/smlfoto.htm
Looks PLENTY big for learning.
joepring
direct and have been very satisfied.
nikita
You are absolutely right: the board is on the beach, with no fin. Make
sure you don't damage you board (use a boardbag or a rag underneath) or
use a board you don't care about. I use small sails for this - 5.0-6.0.
Not too small, though, or you won't get the same feeling. 5-10mph wind
is perfect for this.
When teaching beginners, I try to get them to feel sail power and how
they can suspend their weight against the sail. Most people start very
hesitant to sheet in (and fall a lot by swinging the mast into the wind
in a gust!), so trying to pull on the power on the beach is a good
exercise for them.
If one is learning to heli-tack, you can't really simulate the
passing-through-the-wind part very well, but you can practise the exit
part very well (sailing backwinded and the sail-flip). Just set the
board across the wind, get to the leeward side (similar to a tacking
motion), then balance in the backwinded position. Then you can do the
sail/body-180 to get to the clew-first position on the windward side
and do the sail flip. Exact same thing you'll do on the water.
Personally, I really got into freestyle and tricks (lightwind stuff,
unfortunately, as I don't get to sail in high winds much), so I am
doing all sorts of things on the beach. The simplest things to do are
Sail-and-Body-360s. Perfect beach exercise. You can do regular ones
(mast into the wind), reverse ones (clew goes first) and do both of
them from the clew-first position. You can also do Sail-360s (preparing
for duck jibes).
Recently I've been trying some more challenging things - pirouettes,
duck tacks, back-to-sail sailing, swinging the sail around my body
("ankle-biter"?). All of these can be easily done on land and you'll
progress very quickly. I can't believe I spent a year trying to learn
sail-and-body-360s and sail-360s on the water! With an 8.5!!! Yes, I
did learn them eventually, but it took such a long time and so many
falls! When I started doing things on land, I've been able to learn a
lot more challenging moves in just a couple of months. Lightwind duck
tacks are almost boring now. :)
Would highly recommend to anyone.
Nikita.
sm...@fit.edu
windsurf launch? Obviously only fly2ride and the salesman on the other
end of the phone know the details of the conversation, but come on.
It's their fault that you bought stuff and don't have a good place
near-by to sail? And in addition, take longer then their return period
to figure this out. You have to use some comon sense- did you ever see
anyone else windsurfing or sailing on this pond?
I would consider this the equivalent of calling up a mail-order
mountain biking shop and saying "I don't know how to ride a bike, do
you think I could learn in my backyard"? Of course they're going to
say "yes". Are you going to get tired of it pretty soon once you've
mastered going around in a 10ft circle? - Yes. Is it their fault? -
No.
By the way, looking at the map, it looks like there are a couple decent
size lakes within an hour or two of Appomattox.
sm
Glenn Woodell
my favorite Yankees by the way and I live further south than you do.
I agree with the other posters. Let us know what your needs are and
we'll try to help you. We're just that way.
Learning can be really challenging, especially if you do not take
advantage of professional lessons. I make about a dozen trips to
Hatteras every year so I'm familair with the area. You can learn
anywhere!
Evey hear of the Gorge? If not, just Google it. Looks pretty
treaherous doesn't it? 20 to 45 mph winds. Been there too. Guess what?
They give beginner lessons there. You can learn almost anywhere. The
reality is that you willl most likely outgrow the beginner gear within
a year. That's just a fact. So I don't think that WD did you any harm.
The folks you talked to in Hatteras may have made you believe that you
got steered wrong by WD. I don't think you did.
Get out there and get learning and hook up with others if you can. We
have a nice group here in the SE part of the state. Check out
www.sailwet.com
As a matter of fact, if you can make it, bring your gear down this way
this weekend and join us at our FREE Intro to Windsurfing day.
http://www.sailwet.com/intro06.pdf
Everybody gets a free pass on one name calling so you're still good
with us. Just a warning. When you start to get hooked on windsurfing,
there will be a lot more that is just as frustrating as what you are
going through now. But it's all worth it.
Glenn
Dan Weiss
(possibly no wind?) or a lack of instruction, given the nature of your
question to the retailer.
Windsurfing is much like flying insofar as it looks really easy to the
uninformed, and is really easy once sufficiently skilled, but the
distance between a wrote beginner and skilled enough to make it look
easy is a road covered either in sink holes or smoothly paved with an
instructor's help.
There is probably no body of water other than a puddle or drainage
creek that is too small in which to windsurf. I've sailed in a
backyard swimming pool and fountain at Rittenhouse Square in
Philthadelphia. Dana Miller has sailed in the Reflecting Pool on the
Mall in Washington D.C. Point is, get yourself quality instruction and
I think your view of your retailer might improve when your skills, and
thus fun times, increase.
A great investment (and great time) would be to take a trip to Calema
Windsurfing in Merrit Island, FL Tinho Dornellas is one of the best
(if not the best) instructors in the world. His clinics are very
reasonably priced, and his private lessons are spectacular. His shop
is on the water and only 45 mn from Orlando airport. He has a great
forum on Calema's website as well. www.calema.com
Good luck.
-Dan
(PeteCresswell)
>Dana Miller has sailed in the Reflecting Pool on the
>Mall in Washington D.C.
Did he do any jail time for it?
--
PeteCresswell
Dan Weiss
this he can correct where necessary.
-Dan
fly2ryde
fly2ryde
My body of water is owned by my it is app. 20-30yds sq.
fly2ryde
not what i am talking about again my pond is privatly owned by me have
fun stalking
Jerry McEwen
>My body of water is owned by my it is app. 20-30yds sq.
I'm not sure what this means, but have you considered trying this body
of water? http://www.dcr.state.va.us/parks/pictures/holfotos.htm
I DO understand the 20-30 yds.; so you thought you could sail on a
piece of water that is 90' x what? You are leaving out half the
information.
If you planned on windsurfing in your backyard and realize you may
have to drive for 30 minutes, then please say so. Many of us complain
from time to time, but let's be honest.
Jerry McEwen
Googled HiFly Mambo and your ebay post was the first thing I saw.
You are a bullshit artist and I've called you on it.
fly2ryde
sm...@fit.edu wrote:
> I agree. This shop is supposed to know the details of every possible
> windsurf launch? Obviously only fly2ride and the salesman on the other
> end of the phone know the details of the conversation, but come on.
> It's their fault that you bought stuff and don't have a good place
> near-by to sail? And in addition, take longer then their return period
> to figure this out. You have to use some comon sense- did you ever see
> anyone else windsurfing or sailing on this pond?
>
> I would consider this the equivalent of calling up a mail-order
> mountain biking shop and saying "I don't know how to ride a bike, do
> you think I could learn in my backyard"? Of course they're going to
> say "yes". Are you going to get tired of it pretty soon once you've
> mastered going around in a 10ft circle? - Yes. Is it their fault? -
> No.
>
> By the way, looking at the map, it looks like there are a couple decent
> size lakes within an hour or two of Appomattox.
fly2ryde
do u want a cookie for living further s than me... i dont live in
hatteras its called calling them on a phone...and i get three passes..
fly2ryde
fly2ryde
Dan Weiss
the basics on, but not much more than that. Rather than having to
windsurf for 5 seconds in any direction and then turn around (pretty
much the limit on your pond) it sounds like you would be happy with
that board IF you had the chance to use it on a much larger body of
water. Hatteras is a great place to sail, from beginner to world-cup
competitor.
Again, i'd be less thin-skinned about the comments here, because the
size of your pond isn't so great for going anywhere on your board,
which is sort of the point of it all.
-Dan
Dan Weiss
to sail in any direction for more than 5 seconds. That pond is larger
enough to learn very rudimentary skills, but in no way big enough to go
anywhere on your gear, which is sort of the point of it all anyway.
Don't be so thin-skinned about the comments here. Nobody has it out
for you, but you slammed a retailer when your assumptions of what was
possible on your pond appear to have been out of whack.
Good luck, and good luck with the model airplanes you fly. Sounds like
a great hobby.
-Dan
Jerry McEwen
>> are u all stalkers it is the salesman fault that he told me my pond was big enough after i told him how big it was. By time there trucks got going and i got it i was on a vacation i tried to take care of this when i got back but it had been 30 days since purchase. Again the pond is my pond
In one of your posts, you said that you told the salesman where you
were going to sail. It wasn't his job to tell you differently.
the principal
Jerry McEwen
wrote:
>Funny stuff.
Hey, quit stalking me. :)
Glenn Woodell
Glenn
Florian Feuser
So you were confuse about the size of your own lake when you ordered
windsurfing gear?
florian
Tsunami
Blame someone!!!! My God you ARE an imbecile. YOU complain that a shop
told you half a football field is enough to learn on, so you bought the
windsurfer. NOW you BLAME the windsurf retailer when you find out that
30yards x 30 yards is not half a football field.
Tsunami
>
> sm...@fit.edu wrote:
> > I agree. This shop is supposed to know the details of every possible
> > windsurf launch? Obviously only fly2ride and the salesman on the other
> > end of the phone know the details of the conversation, but come on.
> > It's their fault that you bought stuff and don't have a good place
> > near-by to sail? And in addition, take longer then their return period
> > to figure this out. You have to use some comon sense- did you ever see
> > anyone else windsurfing or sailing on this pond?
> >
> > I would consider this the equivalent of calling up a mail-order
> > mountain biking shop and saying "I don't know how to ride a bike, do
> > you think I could learn in my backyard"? Of course they're going to
> > say "yes". Are you going to get tired of it pretty soon once you've
> > mastered going around in a 10ft circle? - Yes. Is it their fault? -
> > No.
> >
> > By the way, looking at the map, it looks like there are a couple decent
> > size lakes within an hour or two of Appomattox.
> > are u all stalkers it is the salesman fault that he told me my pond was
big enough after i told him how big it was. By time there trucks got going
and i got it i was on a vacation i tried to take care of this when i got
back but it had been 30 days since purchase. Again the pond is my pond
> > sm
> >
No in your original post you said you asked how much space you needed, and
he said a bit less less than half a football field. That of course, by
virtue of your question, means MINIMUM space to LEARN. You did Not ask waht
is "ideal" space, nor not how much space to train for the Olympics....
AND then you later find out 30yards x 30 yards is not half a football
field.
Jrobb
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!
This is the best read in a long time (sorry sinbad).
This fackstick has the nerve to bash the retailer, then what does he
do? He lists his gear after sailing it only ONCE as per his ebay ad
seen here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Brand-New-Hifly-Mambo-Complete-Package_W0QQitemZ140018369344QQcmdZViewItem
ANDD, has the nerve to add said "awful" retailer being bashed as a link
for any more info regarding the product. If they led you astray, why
in the world would you refer someone possibly in your similar situation
to get the same bs answer you think you got? HUH? WHy would you do
that? Moe-rahn.
The internet never ceases to amaze me.
J
cosmicharlie
track this guy down.
cosmicharlie
The original poster must be confused as to what learning WSing consists
of. Obviously, though, he's confused about more than that. I find it
rather frightening that a guy who puts up his kind of posts has been
given a license to fly as he claims. It's also rather hilarious that
so much attention has been given such a confused dolt.
Jrobb
Pot: Hello this is Pot, may I speak with Kettle ?
Kettle: Yes this is he.
Pot: You're black! Bwaha ha ha muwah haha
J
sm...@fit.edu
> > By time there trucks got going and i got it i was on a vacation i tried to take care of this when i got back but it had been 30 days since purchase.
Oh, I see, so it's the shop's responsibility to adjust their return
policy to your vactaion schedule???
cosmicharlie
on the head of a pin?
Jerry McEwen
Mambo..." which means he is either selling used as new, which would be
a lie, or he never got it wet.
On 24 Aug 2006 03:30:17 -0700, "Jrobb" <robbi...@comcast.net>
wrote:
Ellen Faller
thanks, I just got coffee all over my keyboard...
fly2ryde
fly2ryde
FOOTBALL FIELD SIMPLE PEOPLE WHO THINK THEY KNOW WHAT THE MESSAGE SAYS
Jerry McEwen
>YOU ARE NOT READING THE WHOLE MESSAGE AGAIN HE SAID LESS THAN HALF A
>FOOTBALL FIELD SIMPLE PEOPLE WHO THINK THEY KNOW WHAT THE MESSAGE SAYS
Yelling won't help your cause. You might want to try communicating
intelligently. Even I can (usually) do that to some degree, surely you
can make an effort.
fly2ryde
TO LEARN AND SURF ON. AGAIN AS A RESPONSIBLE SALES MAN HE SHOULD HAVE
SAID THAT IS ENOUGH TO LEARN SOME OF THE BASICS BUT NOT MUCH MORE IF
THAT
Jerry McEwen
>THE WORD BIT DOES NOT APPEAR ON MY POST.
What does that mean?
> I ASKED HIM IF IT WERE ENOUGH
>TO LEARN AND SURF ON. AGAIN AS A RESPONSIBLE SALES MAN HE SHOULD HAVE
>SAID THAT IS ENOUGH TO LEARN SOME OF THE BASICS BUT NOT MUCH MORE IF
>THAT
Let's see your pond, got a photo? And would you like help or do you
just want to acting like a jerk? If it's the latter, we'll be happy to
keep making you look foolish. :)
fly2ryde
VACATIONS. AND AFTER 30 DAYS. THEN FINDING OUT THAT MY POND WAS NOT
SUTABLE FOR IT. I TRIED TO SELL IT TO SOMEONE WHO MIGHT KNOW ABOUT IT
OR LIVE WERE THEY CAN GET LESSONS
fly2ryde
BEFORE MY VACATIONS STARTED
fly2ryde
MOVE IT ONTO THE LOT
fly2ryde
STUDENT UNLIKE U SEEM TO BE/BEEN
fly2ryde
Jerry McEwen
>WHAT IS WRITING CAPS YELLING AND ITALICS WISPERING. I AM A STRAIT A
>STUDENT UNLIKE U SEEM TO BE/BEEN
Hmm, a straight-A student who cannot form a proper sentence.
THIS IS YELLING and *this is italics*.
Jerry McEwen
> UR ABOUT DUMB THAT IS LIKE SAYING UR CAR IS USED BECAUSE U START IT TO
>MOVE IT ONTO THE LOT
It is widely know that you cannot sell something that has been used
and claim it is new. Yell all you want, but you are still wrong.
Jerry McEwen
>I RODE IT ONCE AND ACTUALLY MOVED WHILE ON IT. THIS WAS BETWEEN MY
>VACATIONS. AND AFTER 30 DAYS. THEN FINDING OUT THAT MY POND WAS NOT
>SUTABLE FOR IT. I TRIED TO SELL IT TO SOMEONE WHO MIGHT KNOW ABOUT IT
>OR LIVE WERE THEY CAN GET LESSONS
You have been told by a number of experienced sailors that your pond
IS suitable. Furthermore, you have a nice piece of water down the
road, but are too lazy and whiny to go there. You don't have the
patience or intelligence to learn to windsurf. You should sell your
excellent USED gear and buy a jet ski, it is much better suited to
your personality.
Jerry McEwen
>IF U READ ALL THE POST SOM1 BELIEVED I SAID A BIT SMALLER AND I DID NOT
I KIN TYP LIK THAT 2.
fly2ryde
THERE IS NO NEED TO IDONT . I TRY TO KEEP IT SIMPLE
fly2ryde
ALREADY HAVE TWO JET SKIES WHY DO I NEED THREE
fly2ryde
Craig Goudie
responsible than this.
Personally, I think he should be strung up by his thumbs, at least until he
admits what a dirty
deal he laid on you.
If this had happened to me, I'd never even consider trying to windsurf
again, and furthermore,
I'd never respond (or correspond) with any windsurfer, especially on this
news group (or any other).
Look how you've been treated here.
My recommendation, consider a jet ski. Your personality seems more suited
to it, and I "hear" their sales
people are much more responsible, and customer oriented. You might check
out their forums also,
nice people over there.
-Craig
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>
[snip]
Jerry McEwen
>IF I WERE TRYIMG TO FORM A COMPLETE SENTECE I WOULD BUT BEING THAT
>THERE IS NO NEED TO IDONT . I TRY TO KEEP IT SIMPLE
You keep it simple by making your posts almost unintelligible? That's
an interesting concept.
Jerry McEwen
>I HAVE EXTREMELY GOOD PATIENCE AND I SUCCEDE IN EVERTHING I DO.
Then your goal must be to make yourself sound like a punk in junior
high. Good job!
> I ALREADY HAVE TWO JET SKIES WHY DO I NEED THREE
Why am I not surprised?
Dan Weiss
football field. Applying a bit of common sense, everyone should agree
that you cannot windsurf in a backyard birdbath, even though it is,
literally, less in area than 1/2 a football field. Likewise, we cannot
windsurf in most puddles or flowing springs. You backyard pond
probably IS large enough to learn the basics. What we don't know but
can reasonably guess is that your pond does not have the wind
conditions for easy learning. Perhaps that was the trouble?
-Dan
Dan Weiss
football field. Applying a bit of common sense, everyone should agree
that you cannot windsurf in a backyard birdbath, even though it is,
literally, less in area than 1/2 a football field. Likewise, we cannot
windsurf in most puddles or flowing springs. You backyard pond
probably IS large enough to learn the basics. What we don't know but
can reasonably guess is that your pond does not have the wind
conditions for easy learning. Perhaps that was the trouble?
-Dan
fly2ryde
TWO. AND I AM NOT IN JUNIOR HIGH
Jerry McEwen
wrote:
<snip>
>My recommendation, consider a jet ski. Your personality seems more suited
>to it, and I "hear" their sales
>people are much more responsible, and customer oriented. You might check
>out their forums also,
>nice people over there.
>
>-Craig
He's already a jet skier. Have you ever seen their forums? They are at
each other's throats constantly. I think this kid's girlfriend dumped
him for a windsurfer, so he thought he would become one, but
discovered you have to do more than turn a key.
If this kid has a pilot's license, I'm an astronaut.
fly2ryde
Dan Weiss wrote:
> Uh, there is an infinite number of areas that are smaller than half a
> football field. Applying a bit of common sense, everyone should agree
> that you cannot windsurf in a backyard birdbath, even though it is,
> literally, less in area than 1/2 a football field. Likewise, we cannot
> windsurf in most puddles or flowing springs. You backyard pond
> probably IS large enough to learn the basics. What we don't know but
> can reasonably guess is that your pond does not have the wind
> conditions for easy learning. Perhaps that was the trouble?
>
> -Dan
Jerry McEwen
>WHY RECOMMEND ME GETTING ONE AND NOT BE SURPRISED THAT I ALREADY HAVE
>TWO. AND I AM NOT IN JUNIOR HIGH
3rd grade maybe?
fly2ryde
I AM NOT DESPIRATE FOR GIRLFRIENDS. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE UR COMING FROM A
PERSONAL EXPERIENCE
Craig Goudie
-Craig
"Jerry McEwen" <homeydontpl@ythat> wrote in message
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fly2ryde
WOULD BUY A WINDSURFER THEN BE ABLE TO FIND A BLOG
Jerry McEwen
wrote:
>Jerry buddy, read my post again, wink wink, nudge nudge.
>
>-Craig
Hi, Craig, I * think* I hear you, but my brain is only semi-functional
this morning.
Jerry McEwen
>NO I AM IN HIGH SCHOOL USING COMMON SINCE DO U THINK A THIRD GRADER
>WOULD BUY A WINDSURFER THEN BE ABLE TO FIND A BLOG
Due to your lack of structure, that can be interpreted several
different ways; but if you are implying that YOU use common sense, I
think dozens of people here would disagree. You may want to stick to
arguing with people with whom you can compete. Your attitude has
driven all but a few, so I figure I won't alienate very many people by
conitnuing to tell it like it is.
Anytime you want to pull your head out of you-know-where and get some
advice, we're sill here to help you; but if your goal is to conveince
anyone that you were swindled by WD, you lost that argument two days
ago.
Dan Weiss
and direction, makes learning much more straightforward.
The thing about wind is that it is never perfectly steady. Since the
power of wind is actually about the cube of its speed (meaning a 6.5
mph wind is about 2.2 times as powerful as a 5 mph wind) even small
gusts can cause problems for beginners. Even 6.5 mph is not a lot of
power, but combine a gust with a change in wind direction and you begin
to see how challenging unsteady wind conditions can be for a beginner.
All the static you are getting here is because you ripped into a
retailer apparently without knowing enough to filter the retailer's
statement into something meaningful to you. I made a similar mistake
years ago when I bought top quality stereo speakers and a great
receiver. Only problem was, I listened to them in my dorm room and
could never get the speakers to sound anywhere near as good as I hoped.
I even asked the saleman whether the system would work in my dorm. He
said it would and he was right, only the reality of the tiny room
prevented me from getting the most out of it. Did I blame the
salesman? No. I decided to keep the stereo for when I moved out of
the dorm and into a larger place. It sucked for two years because I
didn't use common sense when buying them. My fault.
-Dan
nikita
learn in a small pond. How much fun you can have and how far you can go
with it in such a pond - that's a different question. It doesn't sound
like you asked the salesperson whether it's reasonable to ONLY sail in
your pond. That WILL be a ridiculous idea. Most windsurfers (people who
actually LIKE to windsurf) drive between 15minutes and 2 hours
REGULARLY to get to their spots. That's normal. You wanted to just
stick to your puddle - no reasonable salesperson would've probably
thought of that.
Anyway, stop polluting the windsurfing forum, go to a bitching forum or
something. Maybe there is a "proud pond owners" forum - will be a
better fit for you.
fly2ryde wrote:
> WARNING DO NOT BUY FROM WINDSURFING DIRECT.. Yes the one that you see
> everywere. I recently bought a windsurfer from them. I told them I was
> a beginner and wanted to learn on my lake if possible. I asked how much
> water are was needed to learn to surf, they said if you have less than
> half a football field with 5 mph winds that is all I needed. I am now
> finding out from people in Hatteras N.C that the idea of there
> requirements to learn how to windsurf was LUDACRIS. Come to find out
> they told me my lake was big enough just to sell me their product. When
> I called to return the board they said they only took things back
> within 30 days. This is understandable unless you were blatenly lied
> to. I have heard that many other people are very unsatisfied with the
> way they do buisness.AGAIN DO NOT BUY FROM WINDSURFING-DIRECT.
J
bought WS gear from local stores and from several internet merchants.
I purchased an item from Windsurfing Direct in Spring of 2005. When I
received it, I decided that it wouldn't do what I wanted. So I called
their 1-800 number to discuss shipping it back for a refund. It turns
out that despite the way their web-site is carefully structured that
Windsurfing Direct is actually a Canadian company. (I think it's
actually located in Kingston Ontario). The address that they give on
their web-site is a warehouse just over the US border. Here's where the
problem lies. If you have to ship something back to them you
(naturally) have to wait until the carrier gets it to the warehouse )
and then you have to wait until they send someone down to Alexandria Bay
to examine your return and then they will process the refund. In my
case, it took the better part of a month for that process to conclude. I
was, and still am, very leery of doing business with them ever again. I
asked several times why it was taking so long and was told that they
don't have anyone in Alexandria permanently so I'd have to be patient.
Here's why. Their web-site is designed to give the impression that you
are dealing with an American company. You're not. If you have any
problems with a large purchase, such as a board or a board and rig
package then you will be trying to resolve the issue with an empty
warehouse in Alexandria Bay and a company outside the country.
I have no problem with drop-shipping items to customers, but they should
be up-front and include their real address on the web-site. Had I known
they were outside the country I would have ordered from somewhere else.
Is this relevant to the current thread? To some extent yes. I believe
the company tends to blur the line between fact and fiction. (Their
web-site certainly does.) So, based on personal experience I tend to
give the benefit of the doubt to the person who originally started the
thread.
Jim
marc rosen
Steven Slaby
> WHAT IS WRITING CAPS YELLING AND ITALICS WISPERING. I AM A STRAIT A
> STUDENT UNLIKE U SEEM TO BE/BEEN
With that many obvious spelling mistakes in two stunted attempts at
sentences and a lack of proper punctuation? Sure you are ;-)
Big hint, if you are trying to brag about your intelligence try using a
little bit of that grey matter before you hit send....
Steve.
Steven Slaby
Succeed (note the spelling mr straight "A" student) at using a jet ski ?
Ok, I'm going to have to stop reading this thread before I explode from
laughing too hard!
Steve.
Steven Slaby
I think a third grader could spell better!
Its becoming obvious that you were looking for instant gratifiaction from
windsurfing, having probably seen pictures/video of windsurfing and
thought you could jump on a board and voila! you are ripping it up.
After your rude awakening that you didn't immediately "succeed" at
windsurfing like you did with your jet skis you decided to blame the
retailer and try to get your money back!
Stick to jet skiing; you will be MUCH happier.
Steve.
Glenn Woodell
In article <1156434558.3...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
Lcast...@aol.com says...
Glenn Woodell
Glenn
In article <1156433761.2...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Lcast...@aol.com says...
Jerry McEwen
different from what I perceive to be the OP's problem, which as I
understand it is that he trusted the dealer to say the the pond he
owns(?) is okay to learn windsurfing. Many of us agree with the dealer
on this point, but OP got the board wet one time, talked to some
people in Hatteras, and decided that his pond is too small.
To add to this, OP is a belligerent know-it-all who has consistently
ignored requests for details and good solid advice from several
people.
Jerry McEwen
Tom - Chicago
"fly2ryde" <Lcast...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> Jerry McEwen wrote:
>> On 24 Aug 2006 08:11:44 -0700, "fly2ryde" <Lcast...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >WHAT IS WRITING CAPS YELLING AND ITALICS WISPERING. I AM A STRAIT A
>> >STUDENT UNLIKE U SEEM TO BE/BEEN
>>
>> Hmm, a straight-A student who cannot form a proper sentence.
>>
>> THIS IS YELLING and *this is italics*.
Tom - Chicago
> ALREADY HAVE TWO JET SKIES WHY DO I NEED THREE
Except perhaps for spelling! This is really too good to be believed.
"fly2ryde" <Lcast...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Jerry McEwen
<to...@tobmkcdot.com> wrote:
>Simple is as simple does.
Windy is as windy does.
