Bic Techno 283
D.M.
I'm looking for something that planes early and will give me more riding
days here in the Northeast.
Doug
WindPig
shipped any to the US. Rumor is there's a problem for them making a board
that wide and the first 200 were bad. Don't know about that.
You can plane NOW on Fanatic, Seatrend, Roberts, Star-Board, Pro-Tech, or
AHD. All are out now, and better made then the Bic will be. IF they ever
even make it work.
~da Pig
D.M. <spide...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
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TS
WindPig skrev i meldingen <01be6c2a$16437b20$b61758d8@default>...
>You can plane NOW on Fanatic, Seatrend, Roberts, Star-Board, Pro-Tech, or
>AHD. All are out now, and better made then the Bic will be. IF they ever
>even make it work.
>
>~da Pig
BS!
TS
Philip Mann
>No Doug, no one is. It exists only on paper. They made a few, but haven't
>shipped any to the US. Rumor is there's a problem for them making a board
>that wide and the first 200 were bad.
There is also a rumor that Elvis was Spotted at the Local Wal-Mart
wearing a thong and singing Blue Hawaii.
The Truth of the matter is that on Shipping container
# KXTU413803-7 there are 60 Technos and Parts boxes due in today or
monday.
There is another shipment to follow. If you need the tracking
information of that I can certainly get that for you feel free to e
mail me with a reply to email address and I will get it right to you.
I expect to have the Technos in the Shop by the end of next week.
Feel free again to call with you order.
The Moral of this story: Check the facts, dont spread rumors and If as
you say "Don't know about that." then Dont Say About that!
Sorry to be a bit rough but the rumors that are put on this newsgroup
are not a help to anyone.
Take Care
Philip
Inland Sea Windsurf Co.
http://www.inlandsea.com
1-888-inlandc Toll free
Philip Mann
b...@spam_sync.com
> The Truth of the matter is that on Shipping container
> # KXTU413803-7 there are 60 Technos and Parts boxes due in today or
> monday.
Phil,
Now some sicko competitor is going to drop an annonymous tip that the
above specified container ID has narcotics hidden in it and the delivery
will be detained by the Feds (or even worse). :-o
Ben
--
Ben Kaufman
antispam: To Email me, change domain from spam_sync to pobox.
- 03/12/99
Berkeley Windsurf & Snowboard
>
> "WindPig" <o2b...@the.pen> wrote:
>
> >No Doug, no one is. It exists only on paper. They made a few, but haven't
> >shipped any to the US. Rumor is there's a problem for them making a board
> >that wide and the first 200 were bad.
>
I would say at this point that the supply of Technos this summer is a
lot more reliable than Bee 289s, not to mention with the Bic at least
you know who will be doing the customer service/warranty work, etc.
Nobody at this point knows who the distributor for Fanatic will be in
the future, or who will service the boards they are selling currently.
Food for thought, Pig.
--
Will Harper
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BDSinclair
>wearing a thong and singing Blue Hawaii.
>
>Philip
>
Thanks for the visual,
bs
Brian Weekes
volume, weight right, and it comes with a 48cm fin too (swept back freeride
style), at bloody good price. Fin bolt is alan key head.
Will report back on performance.
Brian Weekes (UK)
n.b. been using Vivace 290 with 50cm fin till now in marginal winds, works
ok but back leg burn extreme! expect this a better alternative.
D.M. wrote in message ...
Bill Burke
Would you care to position the different light air planing boards for us? I.e.,
289, AVS70, 283, etc. with regards to planing threshold, handling, sail
size/chop/speed range, value, durability? Assume Atlantic seaboard.
Thx VM
KarabaszJP wrote:
> Here we go again Will
>
> cut the negitive Sh-t
>
> I got 289's in stock and selling fast. I even have some shipping on tuesday.
> As for WHO will be the US dist. (after your insightful posting on this news
> group) I did some intense research (on both sides of the fence Mistral,
> Northsports, Outside sports & Fanatic) instead of belly acheing. and found this
> FACT. This US dist. of Fanatic is OUTSIDE SPORTS. As a highly placed person in
> Mistral said
> " It is better to have 2 spoons in an icecream dish than just 1 ... as long as
> both are profitable"
>
> So that's that for that!!
>
> By the way I have Bic Techno's on order with no fear of their missing the del.
> Bic is THE MOST RELIABLE SUPPLIER I HAVE.
>
> JIM
> Extreme Windsurfing
KarabaszJP
Berkeley Windsurf & Snowboard
>
> JPK:
>
> Would you care to position the different light air planing boards for us? I.e.,
> 289, AVS70, 283, etc. with regards to planing threshold, handling, sail
> size/chop/speed range, value, durability? Assume Atlantic seaboard.
>
> Thx VM
>
I will as soon as I sail a Techno. That should be the end of this
month. So far I would rate (mostly agreeing with others here) the AVS
70 as slightly quicker to plane and better upwind, but the Fanatic a
little turnier and better carving in the jibes--more "feel." You have
to remember that most of the people who have sailed and tested the Bee
so far have tested the "limited edition" one that is over 2 lbs lighter
than the Bees most people will see this summer. Therefore it is not
suprising that it is getting higher marks than the Seatrend 70 in a lot
of catagories. I am a huge fan of both boards-- I raced the
Seatrend/Roberts shape all last summer and did very well, and also
really liked the Fanatic 289 LE I sailed in Hatteras. Still waiting on
the Techno, I have high hopes, and I predict it will fall between the
two in terms of performance. I'm expecting the Techno to carry a larger
fin more easily, and have slightly better upwind performance than the
Bee, but be a little easier and more fun to sail than the Seatrend.
That's what I'm hoping-- we'll see what happens when they get here. You
can be sure I'll let you know.....
CGMOTTE123
i might be mistaked.gilles
Brian Weekes
sharp, so should dig in quite well to help jybing. Radical freeride 48cm
swept back fin should also help-a bit (big fins seem to hinder tight arc
jybing)
Brian
CGMOTTE123 wrote in message
<19990319205722...@ng-fa1.aol.com>...
Weed Fin
sharp, so should dig in quite well to help jybing.>>
I don't think so.
sail...@interpath.com
Neither do I! When did hard chines/rails ever make jibing easier.
I thought the put them on race boards so they'd be much more technical
to sail! Not really, but easy jibing, they aren't, IMHO!
Brian Weekes
"The rails are fairly
sharp", -------------sorry, I meant "thin", relatively in comparison to
other wide short boards.
Definately not like the thick tails of boards like for example Fanatic
falcon 9'
Brian
Philip Mann
Far too often I see people take one aspect of a Board and run with the
prospects of how it will sail.
Board shape is made up of many factors, ie; rail shape, V-hull,
outline, rocker etc.
When looking at a board you really can't tell what its going to sail
like. The Bee 289 is a great example of this. It looks pretty race
oriented...often people take this too mean its going to be difficult
to jibe, well as the reveiws have shown this is not the case. The
board is very easy to Jibe. Its fast like a race board it gets on a
plane like a light air slalom board and sails much like a "freeride
board"
My only point is to take the whole shape into account when considering
a board/ One aspect is not going to give you much to go on.
Have fun
Philip
Inland Sea Windsurf Co.
http://www.inlandsea.com
1-888-inlandc (465-2632) Toll free
Shop Hours Tues-Sat 11am-7pm EST
Simon Fawkes
currently have an old Mistral Malibu 330 (1991 I think) which I sail with
either a 5.5m or 6.5m sail. I find this board a little unstable and spend a
lot of time in the water in high winds. I've tried a Bic Veloce 328 and
found it very stable, I guess this is due to it being a more modern board
design. I'm looking for a new board to improve my technique. At a local
windsurfing shop they suggested the Bic Techno 283, there reasoning was:
It has a high volume (150 litres) therefore will be more stable. It is also
a lot shorter and will plane more quickly. It does sound like the sort of
board I'd like although I don't want to waste money on a board I'm going to
struggle with even more. The price is also a factor at £550 in the UK it
seems a very reasonable price. I also noticed on the Bic web site it takes
a 6.5 -> 9 m sail, is this optimal sail size or will it just not sail
properly with a smaller sail?
Any advice would be appreciated
Simon
Marc A. Lefebvre (US-775)
to sail is not really true anymore. Shapers today have refined their
designs to a point where fast=control, control=easy to sail. Many of the
new race boards have sharp rails where they NEED IT, and soft rails where
they need it. An easy jibing board can have sharp rails in the stern, and
soft rails near the nose. In the old days, race boards had sharp rails
from stem to stern, and were VERY difficult to jibe. Now, designers have
discovered that they can soften the nose rails a bit, and allow for the
water to grab and let the rail bite, rather than skip where it counts.
As always, try be fore you buy, and see for your self before you discount
a board from your choices. I look forward to demoing the Bic. I am sure
it will be a vast improvement over the older designs. I am so siked to
see manufacturers embracing the new methodology of wider/shorter is
better. You will love the feeling of jibing the wide boards because you
have such a nice wide platform to jibe on. I noticed that on my first
wide board, I never missed a jibe in comparison to my previous boards. No
joke. I even made a few jibes that I knew I should have missed but the
wider platform saved my butt.
Philip Mann wrote:
> Hello!
>
> My only point is to take the whole shape into account when considering
> a board/ One aspect is not going to give you much to go on.
> Have fun
---
Marc Lefebvre (US-775)
Cape Cod Windsurfing Association, President
US Windsurfing Northeast Regional Director
Gear: AHD/NeilPryde/Fiberspar/Fiberfoils
Email: lefe...@ultranet.com
URL: http://www.ultranet.com/~lefebvre/
Motto: "Windsurfing is life, the rest is just details!"
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In article <7d94qb$s10$2...@nclient3-gui.server.virgin.net>,
Simon Fawkes <simon....@virgin.net> wrote:
>I'm a relative beginner, sailing on an off for a couple of years. I
>currently have an old Mistral Malibu 330 (1991 I think) which I sail with
>either a 5.5m or 6.5m sail. I find this board a little unstable and spend a
>lot of time in the water in high winds.
- - Well, you can't do much worse that an Malibu. It's really a poor performing
board. The rails are too soft to go upwind in low wind and the board is way
to big to perform in high wind. The only place where that board might be
any fun is in waves in a light wind.
> I've tried a Bic Veloce 328 and
>found it very stable, I guess this is due to it being a more modern board
>design. I'm looking for a new board to improve my technique. At a local
>windsurfing shop they suggested the Bic Techno 283, there reasoning was:
>It has a high volume (150 litres) therefore will be more stable. It is also
>a lot shorter and will plane more quickly. It does sound like the sort of
>board I'd like although I don't want to waste money on a board I'm going to
>struggle with even more.
- - Well, I haven't sailed the 283 yet ( my board arrives next week. ), but
I think it might be just the ticket. The last couple of years Bic has been
making some really well designed boards, boards that are focused on being
really fun to sail as well as fast. However, I'd suggest that you try
before you buy if at all possible.
> The price is also a factor at £550 in the UK it
>seems a very reasonable price. I also noticed on the Bic web site it takes
>a 6.5 -> 9 m sail, is this optimal sail size or will it just not sail
>properly with a smaller sail?
- - I think it's more in the optimal range kind of thing. It's just a question
of how much work it is to sail. I have a Bic 288 which has a similar quoted
sail range ( 5.5-8.0 I think ) and I've sailed it with sails as small as 4.2m.
The problem with small sails and larger boards is not the sail itself, but how
rough the water is and that is totally dependent on where you sail. Changing
fins can also affect the handling dramatically as well.
- - Booker c. Bense
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Weed Fin
<<An easy jibing board can have sharp rails in the stern, and
soft rails near the nose. >>
Doesn't make sense Marc? I'm going to have to check out (demo) these new
boards.
But then again, you might be right. My winger pintails (wave/BJ) have soft
rails from the nose to the tail. From the tail to the end 3 or 4 inches the
rail is sharp.
Since the no-nose horror show IMHO, I always gave it some thought of having a
little chubby made up for me. Some of my friends had some customs made up over
10 years ago and loved them. They were fat 8'10" bump & jumps and the guys
weighed in around 200-220 lbs.
I agree with you about try before you buy. I learned that the hard way with the
no-nose.
Anywhew... See you at Kalmus soon. Joe and the boyz are due back in April.
Ed Devereaux
sail...@ameritel.net
>I currently have an old Mistral Malibu 330 (1991 I think) which I sail with
> >either a 5.5m or 6.5m sail.
centerboard, and with those sail sizes, you could easily get going fast enough
for the centerboard to cause you massive control problems.
Are you sailing with the centerboard all the way down, partially retracted,
or fully retracted.
- Well, you can't do much worse that an Malibu. It's really a poor
performing board.
Compared to what? It wasn't too bad for 1991 standards, but it certainly isn't
anything like a 328 Veloce; 320/340 Phoenix; or other modern transition size
board.
The rails are too soft to go upwind in low wind
Hmmmm? I thought that was what the centerboard was for??
> and the board is way to big to perform in high wind.
Properly sailed/trimmed, it might surprise you. In 5.0 conditions
I would agree, but above 5.0, it wouldn't be too big for a larger sailor.
The only place where that board might be any fun is in waves in a light wind.
Waves??? On a 330 transition board??? Am I missing something here??
Almost gauranteed to hurt either the board, or the sailor, or both,IMHO.
> At a local windsurfing shop they suggested the Bic Techno 283, there
reasoning was:
> >It has a high volume (150 litres) therefore will be more stable. It is also
> >a lot shorter and will plane more quickly. It does sound like the sort of
> >board I'd like although I don't want to waste money on a board I'm going to
> >struggle with even more.
Compared to your Malibu, 150 liters seems less than "high volume" but I guess
that depends on your wieght.
>However, I'd suggest that you try before you buy if at all possible.
I agree with this!
> I also noticed on the Bic web site it takes
> >a 6.5 -> 9 m sail, is this optimal sail size or will it just not sail
> >properly with a smaller sail?
The recommended sail size range is 6.5m2 -9.0 m2. The Techno is short and
very wide, so I wouldn't expect it to be real comfortable with a <6.0 m2 sail
(20 knots +)unless you are using a race sail.
later
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>Since the no-nose horror show
What is no-nose anyway. I haven't been around all that long and maybe
"no-nose" been around since I got here (2 & 1/2 years ago), but I've never
gotten an explaination of it.
Randy
Peter Brooks
performing
>board. The rails are too soft to go upwind in low wind and the board is way
>to big to perform in high wind. The only place where that board might be
>any fun is in waves in a light wind.
I can remember (in about 1987/88 IIRC, I may be wrong) blasting one of these
across a lake using a Mistral 5m camber induced sail in about a force 5/6.
It was an excellent board then and very expensive.
Are you referring to the newer versions? I expect they have hardly anything
in common with the older ones
Wolfgang Soergel
Before then, boards had their widest point ussually before the middle
(around say at around 245 - 250 cm for a typical 270 board), with tail
and nose width, meassured 1 foot off the respective ends about equal
(around 34-35 cm for the typical 270 Slalom Board). Volume in the board
noses was relatively high, tails rather thin and mast tracks at around
the widest point. The Mistral Screamer (the original one) and F2 Sunset
Slalom would be typical for good standard short boards of this "pre
nonose
era". Around 1991/1992,fins and sails ("Loose Leach" came in 92)
improved a bit, allowing to pull volume back.
So around 1993, boards with rather slender noses (under 30 cm wide, some
around 25 cm), with mast tracks farther back, often more tail volume and
widest point around the middle surfaced. While the outline of the
boards had changed dramatically, the scoop rocker lines remained
much like they had been before, especially the quite flat nose scoop
still was predominant. The behaviour of theese boards was quite a
change:
Livlier than bevor, often hard to control, especially for less
proficient sailors and also experts who did not want to adjust their
sailing style. Many of theese boards actually were not that good and
had been thrown on the market in a frenzied attempt to keep up with
the "developement".
In the past years, the outline concepts of that era have been
largely adopted and refined: We rarely see noses under 25 cm
anymore but hardly over 30 cm (except Freestylers and the new breed of
ultra wide/ short boards, see below). The wide point is even a bit
farther back than in some notorious nonoses, a bit behind the middle
for most boards. Tails got a bit wider, maximal width in tendency
lower (again, with exceptions). The big change from the notorious
nonoses to today's boards are the much refined scoop-rocker lines
with generally shorter planning surfaces and much more nose rocker
(a typical 270 Freerider has around 26 cm today, compared to around
20 in 1990. One of the first nonoses, the F2 Sptunik 265 even had
only a bit over 17 cm). Besides that, details like rail shape,
volume distribution, mast placement ,.. are better understood today
and rigs and fins have kept up with the boards.
A final word to the new super planers and freestyle boards:
One could see them as an extreme continuation of the nonose trend:
Move the volume to the tail, make the tail extremely wide,
place mastfoot accordingly. Now just chop of the long, unneeded
nose and correct the scoop line: Voila. Of course it's a bit more
refined but theese boards are imho mostly a developement from
that direction, with dome exceptions in the Freestyle arena
where some boards do have tryly "classic" lines.
Wolfgang
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Universitaet Erlangen-Nuernberg / fax: ++49-9131-85 2 8849
Cauerstrasse 7 / email:
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bbense+rec.winds...@telemark.stanford.edu
In article <922366837.25169.0...@news.demon.co.uk>,
Peter Brooks <ne...@pdbsystems.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>- - Well, you can't do much worse that an Malibu. It's really a poor
>performing
>>board. The rails are too soft to go upwind in low wind and the board is way
>>to big to perform in high wind. The only place where that board might be
>>any fun is in waves in a light wind.
- - Very small waves.... Not what is considered "wave sailing" these days,
but still fun. Actually, I should have said "swell" rather than waves,
steep enough to surf, but not breaking.
>
>I can remember (in about 1987/88 IIRC, I may be wrong) blasting one of these
>across a lake using a Mistral 5m camber induced sail in about a force 5/6.
>It was an excellent board then and very expensive.
- - Yes, that's exactly the malibu I'm talking about. It was about 10+ ft
with a centerboard. It was the era of "Funboards". Yes it was very expensive
and it still a poor design IMHO. It had wave-like rails and the floppy
plastic centerboards that we were all cursed with back then. It wouldn't
go upwind unless it was totally powered. For all that money it had a really
narrow range of "fun". There were much better boards in that category back
then. It was probably alot of fun in Force 5, but so are most boards.
>
>Are you referring to the newer versions? I expect they have hardly anything
>in common with the older ones.
>
- - It's only to be hoped.
- - Booker C. Bense
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In article <7dc594$a2e$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, <sail...@ameritel.net> wrote:
>
>>I currently have an old Mistral Malibu 330 (1991 I think) which I sail with
>> >either a 5.5m or 6.5m sail.
>If I'm not correct, the Mistral Malibu (Not the new Malibu) has a retractable
>centerboard, and with those sail sizes, you could easily get going fast enough
>for the centerboard to cause you massive control problems.
>Are you sailing with the centerboard all the way down, partially retracted,
>or fully retracted.
>
> - Well, you can't do much worse that an Malibu. It's really a poor
>performing board.
>Compared to what?
- - My experience was with the 87-88 version of this board, and IMHO it
was the worst of the "funboards" then available.
>It wasn't too bad for 1991 standards, but it certainly isn't
>anything like a 328 Veloce; 320/340 Phoenix; or other modern transition size
>board.
>
> The rails are too soft to go upwind in low wind
>Hmmmm? I thought that was what the centerboard was for??
- - There was a technique for planing upwind in lighter winds. I called
it "driving" the rails. Basically, what you did was heel the board
over and planed up on the centerboard and flat surface of the rail. It
got you planing when everybody else was still slogging and you could
point fairly high. This was impossible on the Malibu's I tried. If the
board wasn't planing it wouldn't go upwind very much at all.
>
>> and the board is way to big to perform in high wind.
>Properly sailed/trimmed, it might surprise you. In 5.0 conditions
>I would agree, but above 5.0, it wouldn't be too big for a larger sailor.
>
- - Anything above 5.0 is not "high wind" in my definition, but of course
that's one of the reasons I moved to the Bay Area.
> The only place where that board might be any fun is in waves in a light wind.
>Waves??? On a 330 transition board??? Am I missing something here??
>Almost gauranteed to hurt either the board, or the sailor, or both,IMHO.
- - I meant "swell" not breaking surf. That board would have been fun in
a light wind and a 2-3 swell.
- - Booker C. Bense
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Wnsrf jat
week from platt johnson over at island sports......i sailed it with a 7.5
pyro over in the sakonnett in marginal stuff.. got the board to plane with
pumping... sailed well.. planed up quickly....but also learned that it still
takes a certain amount of wind to get planing with a 7.5 no matter what board
i'm on...( i hopped on my ride 277 with a 42cm curtis pointer and got the thing
planing with pumping in the same amount of wind on the 7,5)guess what i am
saying is that these big boards i am learning will be used with dedicated light
wind rigs 8.0 or greater.. as i am sure you are already aware of....the whole
idea of primary and secondary float is really true.. i think i am going to get
one of these boards and rigs... just trying to decide between the techno or
something like a thommen295... its funny.. with all these widestyles out, the
boards still winning on the race circuit are the thommens (295 and 305).. or at
least thats what i am reading.....i dont race but i consider myself a pretty
efficient sailor being able to incorporate my sailboat experience into my
windsurfing and vice-versa..also its interesting to see that F2 hasn't come out
with a widestyle yet... or are they just waiting to see what comes through on
the design front..... if they do i hope its thommen who comes up with the
shape....he's to me, the premier shaper in the world...then again look who he
shapes for....anyway, the techno is a nice board with the right size sail in my
opinion...i'll probably get something like an 8.5 zoom to put on a board like
it if not that one , get rid of the 7.5 and sail it down to my 6.5 on the
smaller board.....jim desilva at can am is right.... get something like a
thommen etc and then something smaller and planing efficient like the ahd king
style or air 260..for the majority of wind range we sail here in the
northeast.....the only problem i forsee with these wide boards is sailin them
in a place like kalmus in the summer with the weed problem....the fin boxes are
further back in these boards.. so if you put a huge weeder like the tru-ames in
one of these , you're liable to take half your lower leg off..talking about
this with platt last sat..he recommended possibly another fin box farther
forward in the board for weed fins?????huh????anyway i wonder how these
companies will address this???anyway, hope to meet you in person one of these
days...you ahve been a great help....and by the way , i sold a board and mast
thru the classifieds... i will be sending you a check shortly....thanks... one
other question..i am a chiropractor with a certification in sports
injuries..... i was wondering if any of the race organizers for races like the
black dog and wd40 would be interested in having a chiropractor along with a
massage therapist available at these events at no charge to provide services to
anyone who qwishes them...they do this at road races, the frestyle skiing
circuit,surfing contests,all the world gymnastics events, and most of the
olympic events throughout the world.....i would be more than happy to donate my
time to these events and could probably get massage therapists there too to
work under a tent and provide services to anyone who so desires... let me know
if i can be of any help...... thanks again... Dr. Jerry Tartaro......
Wnsrf jat
the job you are doing up there is phenomenal..you are definitely a benchmark
for other state associations to follow and a wonderful model....we would love
to see something as organized as the cape cod windsurfing association here in
rhode island ....thanks for the dedication.......jerry tartaro.....
Vaughan James Sanders
<wnsr...@aol.com> writes
> just trying to decide between the techno or
>something like a thommen295... its funny.. with all these widestyles out, the
>boards still winning on the race circuit are the thommens (295 and 305).. or at
>least thats what i am reading.....i dont race but i consider myself a pretty
>efficient sailor being able to incorporate my sailboat experience into my
>windsurfing and vice-versa..also its interesting to see that F2 hasn't come out
>with a widestyle yet... or are they just waiting to see what comes through on
>the design front..... if they do i hope its thommen who comes up with the
>shape....he's to me, the premier shaper in the world...
There are 2 F2 Thommen wide styles, both are 280 long. one is called the
L (large) around a 150l volume. The other is called the XL (extra large)
around 180L volume. F2 say in their literature on these wide style
boards that the flat area from the tail to where the rocker starts is
critical. The shorter the flat area the faster the board will be, but it
will get hard to control. You should be able to find out more about
them on the F2 UK site at http://www.whiteboarders.co.uk
The Bic Technos at £549 (approx US $878) are less than half the price of
a Thommen in the UK. I doubt you could get a used 305 for this price in
the UK. If the Techno can hold its own against a Thommen, I expect our
beaches will be littered with them this summer.
Jamie
Jamie Sanders
Chalkwell Windsurfing Club
http://freespace.virgin.net/ken.rosier/cwc.htm
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Vaughan James Sanders
Marc A. Lefebvre (US-775)
Wnsrf jat wrote:
> hi marc... jerry tartaro from r.i. again.....i got to demo the bic 283 last
> week from platt johnson over at island sports......i sailed it with a 7.5
> pyro over in the sakonnett in marginal stuff.. got the board to plane with
> pumping... sailed well.. planed up quickly....but also learned that it still
> takes a certain amount of wind to get planing with a 7.5 no matter what board
> i'm on...( i hopped on my ride 277 with a 42cm curtis pointer and got the thing
> planing with pumping in the same amount of wind on the 7,5)guess what i am
> saying is that these big boards i am learning will be used with dedicated light
> wind rigs 8.0 or greater.. as i am sure you are already aware of....
Definately need to use an 8.0 or greater to get the full effect of the wide boards.
> the whole
> idea of primary and secondary float is really true.. i think i am going to get
> one of these boards and rigs... just trying to decide between the techno or
> something like a thommen295... its funny.. with all these widestyles out, the
> boards still winning on the race circuit are the thommens (295 and 305).. or at
> least thats what i am reading.....i dont race but i consider myself a pretty
> efficient sailor being able to incorporate my sailboat experience into my
> windsurfing and vice-versa..also its interesting to see that F2 hasn't come out
> with a widestyle yet... or are they just waiting to see what comes through on
> the design front..... if they do i hope its thommen who comes up with the
> shape....he's to me, the premier shaper in the world...then again look who he
> shapes for....
Actually F2 has come out with a new wide series called the CRL or CRXL. Check out
the http://www.f2.com/ web site. They look pretty good.
> anyway, the techno is a nice board with the right size sail in my
> opinion...i'll probably get something like an 8.5 zoom to put on a board like
> it if not that one , get rid of the 7.5 and sail it down to my 6.5 on the
> smaller board.....jim desilva at can am is right.... get something like a
> thommen etc and then something smaller and planing efficient like the ahd king
> style or air 260..for the majority of wind range we sail here in the
> northeast.....the only problem i forsee with these wide boards is sailin them
> in a place like kalmus in the summer with the weed problem....the fin boxes are
> further back in these boards.. so if you put a huge weeder like the tru-ames in
> one of these , you're liable to take half your lower leg off..talking about
> this with platt last sat..he recommended possibly another fin box farther
> forward in the board for weed fins?????huh????anyway i wonder how these
> companies will address this???
I have had no problems with weed fins on my new boards. And, actually, it is only
the AVS boards that have the fin box at the back. These new wide boards have the
fin box in the same place as always (about 3" from the tail I think). So no
worries. You should deffinately try the AHD Diamond 72. You will be pleasantly
surprised with a 8.3-9.3m sail. You will plane around in 8-10mph of wind.
> anyway, hope to meet you in person one of these
> days...you ahve been a great help....and by the way , i sold a board and mast
> thru the classifieds... i will be sending you a check shortly....thanks...
Great!! Please be sure to update your listings in the site to keep it current
by selected delete from the gear menu. I appreciated your support of the
classifieds.
> one
> other question..i am a chiropractor with a certification in sports
> injuries..... i was wondering if any of the race organizers for races like the
> black dog and wd40 would be interested in having a chiropractor along with a
> massage therapist available at these events at no charge to provide services to
> anyone who qwishes them...
YES!!!! Actually, how about you coming out on June 12,13 for the King of the Cape
Pro-Am Freestyle Contest. It will be a blast and a great opportunity for you. We
have Josh Stone coming out, and we are currently working on getting others like
Brian Talma and Chris Wyman, etc... We are raising a purse for the Pro Division.
There will also be an Amateur and Novice Division for first time freestylists. The
event is really going GO OFF at West Dennis Beach. Please email me for more
details. I would love to have you guys there working on people under a tent. More
the merrier!!
Talk to you soon...
Marc A. Lefebvre (US-775)
Thanks again!! If you guys need help getting things going in Rhode Island,
let me know. I would love to help out...
Wnsrf jat wrote:
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Berkeley Windsurf & Snowboard
>
> hi marc... jerry tartaro from r.i. again.....i got to demo the bic 283 last
> week from platt johnson over at island sports......i sailed it with a 7.5
> pyro over in the sakonnett in marginal stuff.. got the board to plane with
> pumping... sailed well.. planed up quickly....but also learned that it still
> takes a certain amount of wind to get planing with a 7.5 no matter what board
> i'm on...( i hopped on my ride 277 with a 42cm curtis pointer and got the thing
> planing with pumping in the same amount of wind on the 7,5)guess what i am
> saying is that these big boards i am learning will be used with dedicated light
> wind rigs 8.0 or greater..
That may be possible, but as far as I know, the 277 does not come stock
with a 42cm fin. Put a Curtis 54cm CR12 in the Techno and see which one
planes faster (Do not put this fin in your Ride, you will hurt yourself)
and we havn't even begun the discussion about upwind VMG, which your 277
had much less of, if any, compared to the Bic.
Fact is that with the right fin the Techno goes upwind with the fastest
custom race boards on the planet, your 277 does not. Upwind performance
arguably = lightwind performance, even with sails as small as 6.0 you
will see a HUGE difference with the Techno.