What's the best Carbon boom going now?
Charles Jutkins
reviews in the mags lately have things changed?
kite...@yahoo.com
The bestCarbon Boom on the market is the X9 from Neilpryde.
Scott
Cliff Frost
What size boom? I'm not sure I know the answer no matter what you answer, but
there's quite a lot of difference between wave and formula gear. ;-)
Cheers,
Cliff
kite...@yahoo.com
Monocoque Boom Body, which gives more stiffness.It also offers a
Oversized Mast Cup front-end system - Carbon for lightweight and
stiffness this means whith this boom you do not have any horizontal or
vertical flex. This Boom won all the tests in the European Windsurf
magazines.
X^ boom from Neilpryde is the only Hybrid boom available on the market
, Monocoque alu front with carbon end piece. This boom is in the tests
as stiff as any other full carbon boom on the market, in the test it
has the same results than HPL, Fiberspar or the other brands.
I use on all my wave and slalom sails X9 and would never change to
something else, you get what you pay for and those booms are the best.
Charles Jutkins
month of the review?
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but was either sept04 or october04
wsurfn
I have a couple of years old HPL with a Stap-on. I love that boom. I
will be interested to see the new one.
ScottG
http://www.streamlined.us/booms.htm
I have enjoyed HPL for years, but I can break them. Usually in the same
spot, in the front where the boom arms meet the clamping area.
Why can't they reinforce this more?
A little weight at the mast connection would hardly be noticeable and
would make an otherwise perfect boom more bombproof.
Anyway, what is the word on the new streamlined models??
Are they stronger?
pacspeed
Juri Munkki
>X9 wave or formula is the only Boom on the market which is has a
>Monocoque Boom Body, which gives more stiffness.
Funny, Tekknosport and Pro Limit both have full carbon booms with
continuous front and back ends in their catalogs. Tekknosport even
calls it a "Monocoque" carbon boom.
I have seen the standard carbon booms from Tekknosport and they are
quite good for the price. Has anyone seen the (more expensive)
monocoque versions?
>X6 boom from Neilpryde is the only Hybrid boom available on the market
>, Monocoque alu front with carbon end piece. This boom is in the tests
>as stiff as any other full carbon boom on the market, in the test it
>has the same results than HPL, Fiberspar or the other brands.
I thought the point of not choosing aluminum is that alu goes soft
after a while, so while it may be OK when new, the boom will become
softer over time. Planchemag really liked the X6, but the price tag
is higher than for a carbon boom from some other brands. I'm
not really interested in an alu boom that costs the same as a carbon
boom.
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Juri Munkki - http://www.iki.fi/jmunkki - Windsurfing: Faster than the wind.
m--newsguy
year (I'm comparing to my sailing buddy's HPL) the adjustments work
much better...are less prone to getting stuck with sand. Also, are
they printing length markings on the tailpieces yet?
-Michael (been sailing with FS booms since 1998.)
Dan Weiss
carbon booms, but I can say that the FS carbons are a great bang for the
buck. Stiff, upgradeable, and especially durable with their newer front
end. Terrific customer support, too, especially in the USA.
-Dan
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Charles Jutkins
slipping.
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ScottG
How they can be described as "bang for the buck" is beyond me, when all
the high end carbon booms are similar in price.
They are a pain in the ass.
twistlocks always fail at the wrong time, and once they are worn out
and failing, sailing is not a good option.
All booms should be pin lock systems.
My HPLs never get stuck with sand, and I don't really rinse them too
often.
Dan Weiss
suggestion, the replaceable collars are intended to wear a bit instead of
the boom itself. That said, most people over-tighten the collars even
though the Twist Lock collars do not required complete tightening to secure
a new boom. Simply tighten a bit more over time as the plastic on the
collars wears with use . The Twist Lock system remains unchanged for over
ten years because it works so well. It doesn't jam, it holds in the
toughest surf, and it sacrifices itself to preserve integrity of the boom
arm. Also, it's a good idea to ensure that each arm extends the same
distance into the boom body every time. Not only does this reduce wear on
the collars but helps ensure an even load on each arm of the tail piece.
I used a single Fiberspar boom for 3 seasons for most sail sizes. Probably
sailed it 200 times, at least 1/2 of those times in the surf. It never
failed, nor did I ever replace the Twist Lock collars. Wear on the plastic
was minimal; I sold the boom with a set of new collars but these were never
installed; the boom died in the parking lot under the weight of a truck.
-Dan
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Dan Weiss
are MSRP, so better deals are available.
Chinook Carbon Course 182-244 $542
Fiberspar All Carbon 190-248 $529
Fiberspar Posi-Grip 170-218 $538
Gulftech GT 170-210 $540
Gun 165-225 $550
HPL small diameter 177-238 $536
Neil Pryde X-9 180-230 $729
Yes, most high end booms are similar in price. But I think that the
terrific front end and the Twist Lock collars work combine to make a great
package. I guess your experience with the Twist Locks is different then
mine, but I've had spring pins fail. In neither case will sailing be a good
option without replacing the part.
-Dan
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WARDOG
I know it's your "job" to defend and promote FS...or is that a
responsibility as Northeast Director of USW?...;-)
It looks like "kiterboy" may be affiliated with NP...something here
isn't passing my sniff test...his endorsement of the product in two
postings doesn't convince me, apparently as much as it did himself...
I'm baffled as to how a boom can be the "best on the market" when it is
"just as stiff as any other boom and has the same results than HPL,
Fiberspar or the other brands."
Post #1:
> The bestCarbon Boom on the market is the X9 from Neilpryde.
Post #2:
> This boom is in the tests
> as stiff as any other full carbon boom on the market, in the test it
> has the same results than HPL, Fiberspar or the other brands.
If you are making these claims, shouldn't the criteria be a higher
stiffness rating...and if you are quoting "tests", shouldn't one provide
supporting documentation?
Maybe it's time again to remind those posting here with industry
affiliations, to make that disclosure in a sig line...
Regardless...it's my job to find the "best value" for my windsurfing
clients...sometimes the "best" product isn't the best bang for the
buck...sometimes it's close...
Maybe an oversight...slight omission...but, I've found that the "best
bang for the buck" in carbon booms is EPIC GEAR...made by Autima...
Epic Gear Conic Carbon 170-220cm $436 MSRP
Epic Gear Conic Carbon 210-260cm $474 MSRP
Pics here:
http://www.surfingsports.com/epic_gear_booms.asp
and the new monocoques...they both have narrowest grip on the
market...27mm...
The new HPL Race booms, and bigger, come with the new HPL Strap On
Head...available as aftermarket option...
New pics soon...
http://www.surfingsports.com/HawaiianProLine.asp
The new Chinook Triple Clamp head and carbon booms are killer...way
stiffer than the previous edition...narrowest wave sail bend...
The Chinook Triple Clamp is the only boom head on the market that allows
you to make boom height adjustments on the water safely...there is no
hinge pin...it is designed so that the two lips are offset...so you
don't have to go to the beach and release outhaul tension...because the
two lips on other booms butt up against eavch other...they don't ride up
and over...
They have a long lever arm...women really appreciate how much leverage
they have...no slip ever...
http://www.chinooksailing.com/web03/detailImg/TRIPLECLAMPHEAD.jpg
But, one of the biggest bullet points is...if you ever break an
arm...after the one year warranty is up...Chinook will fix you up with a
replacement arm for a nominal fee...simply clamp it back on and away you
go...
http://www.surfingsports.com/chinook.asp
WARDOG
http://www.surfingsports.com
Cliff Frost
with the twist lock system (from NP booms that have it) is not good. I
found them too fidgety and prone to problems (I am a klutz). I've never
had a single problem with the double-pin system on HPL other than discoloration
of the pins--which turns out to be a non-problem. (Not having numbers
marked on the boom is a moderate PITA with the HPL, though.)
I've come to the same conclusion about the Streamlined front-end, I'm too
klutzy for it to work well for me (even though I loved it at first). I had
ordered my new HPL before I knew it would come with a steamlined-style
front end. I'm hoping it will work better for me than the real thing.
OB disclaimer: I have no affiliation with any product or vendor whatsoever,
windsurfing or otherwise. There's lots of space on my sails available for
sponsorship opportunities, but so far no one's offered. I guess my race
results speak for themselves: go to http://www.calcupevents.com/ and
click on "2005 CalCup Series Standings".
Cheers,
Cliff
Dutchdude
> > The bestCarbon Boom on the market is the X9 from Neilpryde.
>
> Post #2:
> > This boom is in the tests
> > as stiff as any other full carbon boom on the market, in the test it
> > has the same results than HPL, Fiberspar or the other brands.
Wardog, post nr 1 is about the X9, which is rated highly by a lot of people.
Post nr. 2 about the X6 (not a full carbon):
> X6 boom from Neilpryde is the only Hybrid boom available on the market
>, Monocoque alu front with carbon end piece. This boom is in the tests
>as stiff as any other full carbon boom on the market, in the test it
>has the same results than HPL, Fiberspar or the other brands.
On this boom I have to agree with Juri:
"thought the point of not choosing aluminum is that alu goes soft
after a while, so while it may be OK when new, the boom will become
softer over time. Planchemag really liked the X6, but the price tag
is higher than for a carbon boom from some other brands. I'm
not really interested in an alu boom that costs the same as a carbon
boom."
Greetings,
SD
Charles Jutkins
day a season sailor.
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really simple. After I'm done sailing, I derig and pack everything
into the van. Then, a few days later, I drive somewhere where there is
water (and wind), rig everything back up, and put it in the water.
This has worked really well for me. ;-)
In article <1116854833.2...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Glenn Woodell
Glenn
Dan Weiss
impressions about other gear. I've heard raves about the X-9, particularly
regarding its stiffness and "unique" monocoque (one piece boom body-no
separate front end) and tail piece. I think that will be the way to go in
the future, but probably very difficult and expensive to make at this point
in the low volume. Thus, $729 MSRP for a non-FW boom. Thanks for the info
regarding Epic Gear, too. It's a terrific brand.
I'm not picking favorites based on my familiarity with the people formerly
at Fiberspar and now at BicSportNA. It might be appropriate to support them
as they are within my region, but I don't want to confuse my affection and
familiarity with some of their products for favoritism of their business at
the expense of any other importer or manufacturer. The rising tide of
windsurfing lifts all boats.
-Dan
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brad
from what I understand monocoque to be. The head is two piece and goes
around the front end and then bolts together. I dont particularly love
the way it attaches to a mast but once you get it dialed in it is VERY
tight and can be adjusted on the water with no worries. I really like
how the boom can rotate up and down so it is lined up perfectly to the
clew grommets. It has a single pin adjustment system that seems to work
fine. My only grief is there is a little rubber piece that goes on the
boom head and if I lost that.... now that dynafiber is gone it would be
difficult to get another. It definitely isn't oooh elegent like holding
a $750 NP X9, but the thing is VERY stiff and has a very large
adjustment range (130 to 185~190). I believe these were very well priced
when they were being made (probably 375-400?) but I got mine for $150
brand new so my only regret is not buying another 3 or 4.
As far as price and the NP X9. There is a remarkable difference in price/
lb of carbon fiber depending on its young's modulus ('stiffness'). If
the NP X9 uses more of the intermediate/high modulus then the cost of
materials is more which reflects the price.
Brad
WARDOG
>> Wardog, post nr 1 is about the X9, which is rated highly by a lot of people.
>>
>> Post nr. 2 about the X6 (not a full carbon):
Thanks, I can see that now...but, it came across on my newsreader as
"X^ boom from Neilpryde"...not X6...in my haste to get packed and on the
road, I didn't connect those dots...I assumed we were talking about all
carbon from the subject line...
Regardless...the last time this NP hybridized boom was discussed here, I
asked the question below with nary an answer...
Wonder how the NP "improper use" clause works in real life...anybody know?
http://www.neilpryde.com/en/2005/warranty/warranty_sails.php
Neil Pryde Warranty Policy - Windsurfing
SPECIFIC WARRANTY
> Concerning all products:
> This Warranty is valid only when the warranty card accompanying the product in question is properly filled out and returned to the Neil Pryde Dealer within seven (7) days from the original date of purchase.
"Concerning Products containing Carbon Composite Materials:
It is in the nature of carbon composite materials used in any products
that failure/breakage of such products due to defects in manufacturing
or materials generally occurs or becomes apparent early in time after
initial use. Product failure/breakage occurring after initial use is
rarely considered to be due to a manufacturing or material defect and
tends to be attributed to improper use."
> Concerning Universal Tendon Joints:
> The universal tendon joint used in Neil Pryde Mast Base Systems has a "limited lifetime" of up to 120 hours. It should be regularly checked and replaced if it shows any signs of wear and tear. Universal Tendon Joint failure/breakage occurring after this time period tends to be attributed to a failure to take proper care to perform regular maintenance.
"Limited lifetime of up to 120 hours"?!?!
Geezus H. Murphy!!! UP TO 120 hours of what? Ownership? Useage?
Pretty broad caveats...
Additionally, I would have concerns about dissimilar materials...causing
galvanic corrosion...I never received a response from my posting below
back in February from anyone with info...
"A hybridized boom is not a good idea...electrolysis...galvanic
corrosion...due to potential difference in dissimilar
materials...exacerbated by saltwater useage...it can be done by
isolating the materials with resin or thermoplastic, but that process
would most likely decrease overall stiffness...and add weight..."
I also wonder if anyone has gotten a year out of them and what their
ability and weight is???...pretty hard to substantiate a bold claim such
as, "The bestCarbon Boom on the market is the X9 from
Neilpryde"...without full disclosure of supporting documentation...
numbers sold...warranty numbers...warranty logistics...stiffness
tests...customer satisfaction...average hours of useage until
failure...is it's "limited lifetime", up to 120 hours as well???
A great warranty policy and the ability to repair a broken carbon boom
after warranty expires, should factor into any discerning shopper's
equation...it does mine...
I'm a professional and pragmatic shopper for myself and clients...
WARDOG (Inquiring minds want to know)
http://surfingsports.com
Slalomguy
making them for NP.
The adjustment cup is great but they have to be replaced after about 50
sessions.
Even if you keep sand away from the cup it still goes.
I have brocken at least one boom each year after about 50 sessions.
Stiffness and head adjustment is excellent.
There are some lightweight sailors, on freeride gear ,at my local spot still
using 10 y.o FS booms (the one with the aluminium head).
Carbon loves lightweights.
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reason.
Tom - Chicago
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WARDOG
> It is a well known fact that rinsing just reduces you TOW for no good
> reason.
I guess it's time to "come clean"...
I'm a rinser...and I'm married to a rinser...pretty much makes us
rinsers, I reckon...as soon as it is dried, it seems it's time to dip it
in salt water again...prolly doesn't much affect the life of the gear...
I've seen folks just wad their stuff up in the back of a truck until
next use...wetsuits and all...yuck!...we constantly flip our
stuff...but, rinsing sure makes it less problematic to use...so, in
effect, it actually increases our TOW...no stuck parts and sandpapered
gear...and I can see through my windows on the wave face...
WARDOG
http://www.surfingsports.com
Juan
water has mineral deposits that dry as white spots on the sail and are
difficult to remove without scratching the sail. Salt water will leave
a slight film but will never adhere to the monofilm."
Hot Sails MicroFreak/MicroSO instructions (just received from no other
than rinser Wardog :-]).
Plus, not rinsing is more environmentally friendly.
++*Juan-- (who only rinses after sailing Palo Alto on a low tide: lots
of mud)
WARDOG
>> Hot Sails MicroFreak/MicroSO instructions (just received from no other
>> than rinser Wardog :-]).
Hi Juan,
You got me there...;-)
I have to admit...I've been sailing so much lately that my rinsing
fetish has lapsed...not that I'm religious about it...or religion...;-)
The Super Freak dacron doesn't need it...just a wipe on the vinyl window
cleans it right up...
The other day at Jalama was so windy and so much stuff was flying
through the air that other peep's sails looked like sand paper...
My Super Freaks looked pristine...that caught a lot of other sailor's
attention...
Here's a good way to rinse your sail ala Paul B. and get a frontal
lobotomy at the same time...;-)
http://surfingsports.com/images/jalama_sail_rinse.jpg
Can you say "chicken jibe"?!?!
p.s. Let me know how that little Micro Freak works for the little one...
WARDOG
http://surfingsports.com
ScottG
Any dealers out there?
Any one finger this at a trade show?
Ellen Faller
How about talking to Peet's for some sponsorship??? 8-) You have to
have helped their business, just by getting me hooked.
Ellen
ScottG
Any dealers out there?
Jay Halford
nukin and I was out in the swell. Drove me nuts. Finally sold the boom.
Jay
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Chinook carbon boom, but my experience and Dan's compare right down
the line. Particularly with not overtightening, the booms are durable,
stiff, light, fast to rig, etc etc. Love them.
Cliff, re << I found [fiberspar booms] too fidgety and prone to
problems (I am a klutz). I've never
had a single problem with the double-pin system on HPL other than
discoloration
of the pins--which turns out to be a non-problem. (Not having numbers
marked on the boom is a moderate PITA with the HPL, though.) >>
I guess it's 'to each his own'...I had repeated trouble with sand in
the HPL's, and the lack of markings is a waste of the sailor's time
when rigging, IMHO.
I have no idea what one gets for the Neil Pryde money in booms...I know
their sails require NP masts (which for me is a reason not to by NP
sails) but what does anyone need an NP boom for @$200 more than the
competition?
Glenn Woodell
wrote:
>It is a well known fact that rinsing just reduces you TOW for no good
>reason.
And in many cases can cause more harm than good. I try not to handle
my unrigged sails any more than I have to. I see many people unrig in
the water while the waves come crashing in and toss the unrolled
remainderl all over the place.
Glenn
AD.
> I always rinse all my gear after I am done sailing. The way I do it is
> really simple. After I'm done sailing, I derig and pack everything into
> the van. Then, a few days later, I drive somewhere where there is water
> (and wind), rig everything back up, and put it in the water. This has
> worked really well for me. ;-)
That does seem an easier than rinsing everything individually, but how
does the van cope with being put in the water?
;)
--
Cheers
Anton
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on a regular basis, and the grip has come unglued along the seams.
That happened when they were still failry new, and we have tried every
adhesive known to man to try to reglue them. Anyone have a glue
recommendation?
On the other hand, I really like our HPL, including the way it adjusts.
Since I just donated one of our FS booms, plus a brand new sail to
Neptune (broken mast 3 miles offshore on Friday the 13th) I will
probably be replacing the FS with HPL unless someone can convince me
otherwise.
Lois
WARDOG
> Hey Wardog, I brought FS into this...I haven't had the chance to try a
> Chinook carbon boom, but my experience and Dan's compare right down
> the line. Particularly with not overtightening, the booms are durable,
> stiff, light, fast to rig, etc etc. Love them.
Hi Michael,
I haven't said one word about FS quality or construction, warranty or
customer service...I think you guys hit those bullet points...;-)
I also don't have a problem with anyone representing their product...or
any product, as long as there is full disclosure of any industry
connection...undercover profiles have become way to prevalent (and
obvious) on WS forums...
I know (and you do , too) that Dan is not just John Q. posting about his
experiences with the FS brand...and Gaastra and AHD and
Tinho/Calema...and US Windsurfing...etc...that comes through loud and
clear in his posts...they are well written and very helpful, I'm sure to
many people...but, "kiterboy" only turned up in this NG a couple of
weeks ago posting about Vela...he obviously likes, and has a propensity
to use, the keyword "best"...;-)
kite...@yahoo.com writes:
> I've been many times at Vela Cabarete and for sure I think it is the
> best place with the best attiude and most helpful staff off the reef
> and on the reef!!
>
>
> Vela is the place to be . Best gear and service and best Happy Hour,
Golly shucks...I thought Green Acres was the place to be...;-)
I guess it's purely coincidental that Vela Cabarete just happens to also
promote NP...who kiterboy emphatically supports when he declares in a
single sentence:
"The best Carbon Boom on the market is the X9 from Neilpryde."
I'm not trying to grind "kiterboy" about his posted proclamation...
Just a sniff test issue...who knows...maybe it was just his screen
name...maybe if he used "poleboarder" he would have garnered more street
cred...;-)
In all fairness, the Subject line question was loaded...
"What's the best Carbon boom going now?"...pretty subjective...
Every boom, (FTM, any product) has a +/- grid...
Our toll free line hasn't been ringing off the hook by customers
demanding the NP X9...because it is categorically, "The best Carbon Boom
on the market"...however, we did sell several Chinooks and HPL's based
on the info that I provided about those products yesterday...and like
you pointed out...
> what does anyone need an NP boom for @$200 more than the
>> competition
I'm still waiting to be convinced and have my warranty questions
answered from previous post...afterall, I want to stoke my customers
with "the best Carbon boom going now"...
WARDOG (Purveyor of the "best" windsurfing gear on the market)
http://surfingsports.com
rath...@gmail.com
windsurfing brands whether we're talking about carbon booms or uphaul
lines. I work for NP, so it figures that I would like the booms!!
duh!! However, I can say that before I worked for NP I used to manage
a windsurfing retail store, and I used the NP X7 boom (precursor to the
X9) over other brands in the store (Fiberspar, Gulftech, and HPL). I
was not given this boom... I bought it w/ my own hard-earned money at
a price which was higher than the other booms available (some were
offered to me free on an extended loan program). I just bought it
because I had seen everything else, and I thought it was the best damn
boom on the market.
NP carbon booms are the best because:
-we design our booms from scratch. we are not selling OEM booms. If
you look at a lot of other booms on the market, they're all made by the
same company w/ the same common fittings, which in my opinion are not
as nice (i.e. adjustment clips, front ends, outhaul systems) Lay all
the booms out side by side, and you'll be able to tell the difference.
I especially like our loop & go outhaul assemblies. I love the back
end on my X9 180 boom. As is, I can use the three integrated pulleys
for an adjustable outhaul, or I can bypass them and still have the
convenience of a loop & go system... all in the same outhaul assembly.
-stiff: our monocoque concoque construction yields a very stiff and
durable boom. The boom arms through the front end is a single
continuous piece. So is the tailpiece. That means the boom is made up
of two main parts w/ no glue joints, instead of six pieces like many
other carbon booms. This translates into stiffness and reliability. I
have not had to warranty an X9 boom yet in two years (aside from the
first run of adjustment clips... easy retrofit/fix)
-X9 front end: makes the boom to mast connection super solid, while
still being light and easy to adjust. Also, it does not slip. I
talked to Mike Zajicek (of Mike's Lab), and he absolutely loves the
front end for its stiffness and for the fact that it's the only front
end he's used that doesn't slip. (and he's tried everything). This
front end comes standard on all our X9 Wave and Race booms.
-X9 Wave & Crossover booms have a nice small grip w/ NO TAPER. If you
pick up our X9 Wave boom, the first thing you'll notice is how small
and comfortable the grip diameter is. The second thing you'll notice
is that the grip does not get bigger as you reach back on the boom.
For me this is a huge plus. Reaching back on the boom for jibes or
tricks is very comfortable and the small diameter gives you great grip
on the boom.
-X9 Race booms have oversized diameter arm tube sections to increase
stiffness. We do this on our bigger booms (180+) to make them as stiff
as possible. These booms have a tapered grip. We still keep a smaller
diameter in the grip area for comfort.
All in all, NP X9 booms are stiff, light, durable, and have the best
fittings. They are the best (in my humble, unbiased opinion ;-)
kev
WARDOG
Finally an answer worth reading...thanks...
I would point out again however, that a negative of full monococque
construction is that, if/when they do break, there is no repair option...
This is a big selling point for the Chinook...simply clamp another boom
tube into the head...another function is that they are obviously more
travel friendly...simply remove one and/or both tubes from head and
reassemble upon arrival...
Additionally, now that we have an "official" NP spokesperson on the
line...could you address the questions that still remain unanswered from
several previous posts...inquiring minds STILL want to know...
I'll repost here to save you scrolling time:
http://www.neilpryde.com/en/2005/warranty/warranty_sails.php
WARDOG (Inquiring minds STILL want to know)
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this thread for the first time this morning.
I'm still using my X9 booms and universal joints from last year (w/
about 200+ days on them), and everything's fine and dandy. I'm only
160lbs, but I sail a lot... some in the waves, and I'm doing a lot of
freestyle stuff. I'm not that great so, I'm crashing a lot, but it
basically means I spend a lot of time pumping, jumping, and crashing.
I think it's a pretty good test. Furthermore, two of my team rideres,
Tyson and Whit Poor, have used the same booms for two years without
breaking them, and they're doing shit that really puts high stress on
booms... double loops, shakas, etc... Finally, a local windsurf store
manager, Ben, is 200 lbs+ and has been using the same X7 boom for
Formula racing for the last four seasons. The X7 and X9 have the same
boom bodies, just different fittings. So, suffice it to say,I have a
lot of confidence in our booms.
Anyway, w/ respect to the written warranty, that's just legalese. We
fully warrant our booms and universal joints for a full year. When we
have had problems w/ certain products in the past that had higher than
average warranty rates, I've replaced certain items even after the
one-year warranty period. Of course, these were all handled on a case
by case basis.
The X6 boom is the only "hybrid" boom that we make. The front arms are
a single piece of T-8 aluminum w/ an extra piece of aluminum
reinforcement inside the boom front. The tailpiece is a single piece
of continuous carbon. I can't speak personally to the galvanic
corrosion or electrolysis as I'm no scientist nor have I done any
longterm testing. Sorry :-(
kev
WARDOG
Excellent info...zackly what I was after...you done good...
WRT legalese...understood...just was curious as to the "120 hour"
clause...hidden chips with timers?...;-)
Anyways...you've closed some (not all) of the $200 differential
premium...value has more parameters than just price...
p.s. Thanks for the new marketing slogan...;-)
WARDOG (Purveyor of the "best" DAMN windsurfing gear on the market)
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competitive w/ the likes of Chinook, HPL, and Fiberspar... especiallly
given our construction and features. The slalom sizes are more
expensive but still start at $659... which is not cheap, but I believe
for many customers, they are worth every penny.
Some people drive BMWs, some people drive Hondas, and some people drive
Yugos. They're all capable of driving you to the beach. Some are just
much nicer to drive.
kev
WARDOG
>> Some people drive BMWs, some people drive Hondas, and some people drive
>> Yugos. They're all capable of driving you to the beach. Some are just
>> much nicer to drive.
Hi Kev,
I don't have a problem with quality and paying a little more for a
better product, as long as it's value added...and can pay itself out
over time...
So one of the previous poster's quoted price is a little off base?
"Neil Pryde X-9 180-230 $729"...
hmmmmmm...you're right...I poked around a bit and they seem right in
line with the going MSRP's...sorry for echoing the bigger price
differential...
Have you put a micrometer on the grip?
27mm?
Seems the monocoque construction would save weight...
I see that you have published weights online...
I'll try to check some new, dry, booms tomorrow for comparison...
You got better pics of the front end?
Are the wave booms able to go on an RDM without shim?
I really wish that boom stiffness ratings would be standardized and
published...just like masts...it would alleviate some of the BS...
WARDOG (Always on the hunt for the best damn WS gear on the market)
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> actually, our X9 Wave and Crossover booms start at $559, which is very
Dan Weiss
other retailers charge a different price.
Here's that link: http://www.neilprydemaui.com/itemDetails.php?id=218
You'll need to scroll the menu to find the specific boom.
-Dan
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> I don't have a problem with quality and paying a little more for a better
> product, as long as it's value added...and can pay itself out over time...
I recently picked up a close out deal on an X9 wave boom. And I'm very
happy with it - it's a great boom. I liked it even more when the callouses
on my hands readjusted themselves to the smaller diameter :)
But as to how it compares with other carbon booms - I wouldn't really know.
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Cheers
Anton