starboard 186
Paulr353
than the 175 or has the shape width been changed - any head to head race
experiances? - paulgbr 353
WARDOG
Check out streaming video of Svein sailing the '02's.
http://surfingsports.com/STARBOARD_02_FORMULA.ASP
WARDOG
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WARDOG
WARDOG
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Jerry McEwen wrote:
>
> That water looks pretty flat, I wonder what it's blowing?
charlesivey
starting to think it's Christmas or something.
CI
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MY11
have a detailed comparison and pictures up on our site by tonight but the
short version:
- track is 122cm from tail vs 125 for 175
- straps further back, last insert very close to rear (prob 2 cm further
back, a good thing).
- volume distribution more even than 175, a bit more volume in the mast
track area.
- board is lively, feels very easy to sail.
sailing: used a sailworks NX 11.2 and 9.65 on it. Board seems to work well
with the track set very far forward, almost all the way front. 70cm fin is
standard but in light conditions the board obviously can take larger. I'll
be doing some head to head testing later in the week with the 175 and should
be interesting.
sukhdev
www.bluefinz.com
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Paulr353
the results and thanks - Paul
Endo
there as well. The way the wind lifts the front of this board is
downright dangerous!
Thanks but no thanks. There is such a thing as too wide.
Endo
JEZ HAMMOND
everyone thinks that about the Formula boards, until they try them! Leave
your preconceptions on the beach and have a go, they are so much easier to
sail than you would expect. We are using the 186 here in Perth , one of the
windiest cites on the planet, and love them.
Regards
Simon
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sailquik (Roger Jackson)
I had the chance to sail the new Formula 186 in the Gorge on Saturday.
Did some fin testing too. It was about 13-17 knots, so I was being
conservative and sailed an 8.5 XT2 on it. All borrowed gear.
I felt the F186 handled the chop and swell at the Event site more like
the 2001 Formula 155. It didn't feel a "big" to me ( a lightweight
sailor) as the Formula 175.
Can't wait to try the smaller F156 abd F136 which may be even better
for someone my size.
Oh, and Endo, I had no trouble at all with air/wind getting under the
board, even in waist high confused rollers and chop over off the mouth
of the White Salmon River where it's know to be pretty bumpy, even in
lite winds (for the Gorge) like Saturday.
I think those of you who have ordered the Formula 186 are going to love
it, and those of you who haven't ordered yet, better order quick as
the will sell out even faster than the F175's did this year.
I think the F186 is going to be better for both the racers and the
recreational sailors who want a truly wide range of performance.
Regards, Roger
Oh, and I got to try the 2002 Retro 5.5 prototype yesterday.
I was on an 85 liter HiFly Wave 253 and getting by a whole lot of
sailors on more racy gear. This new sail is sooooo smooth and powerful
in the gusty bumpy Gorge conditions.
Bill Kline
Since National's interest in the Gorge is skyrocketing for wide boards, as teh
wind dies off, those who have them rush for their AHD, Starboards, Bics,
Roberts and Seatrends
they are very stable. I was with Roger and witnessed his sailing. He was quiet
and stable just as he wrote, using a Curtis CR-15 70.
Bill Kline
Gorge Sport USA
Curtis Performance Fins, Orca Fins, Orca Kite Fins
Hood River, OR USA
bil...@gsport.com www.gsport.com
ph/541 387 2649 fax/541 386 1715
MY11
going to post a video on our site of a lovely 53kg lady in full flight with
a Sailworks NX 9.65, Starboard 186 and 70cm fin. Nary a tail walk.
Roger Jackson is absolutely right. You have to sail these boards to believe.
So far I have sailed a dozen different formula boards (Sb135, 155, 175,Diva,
186, Drops fl12, fl13,mb14, Rogue Wave 85, various Mike's labs) and now in
anything under a solid 18knots or so I won't sail anything else.
If these boards don't appeal to you, fine, but you are certainly doing both
yourself and windsurfing a disservice with your unfounded comments.
regards
sukhdev
www.bluefinz.com
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Scott
Roger, Bill Kline, MY11, WARDOG, and charlesivy are all dead wrong!
The 186 is unstable and downright dangerous! It is in fact, just too
wide.
Like yourself, I don't have to try one, or any formula board for that
matter, or even see someone sail a 186 in person to know this for a
fact. I just know it!
Now; Roger, Bill Kline, MY11, WARDOG, and charlesivy; would you all
kindly stop spamming this newsgroup with your wideass formula hype so
we can have more bandwidth for promoting TEAWAC's (The endo
Anti-Wideass Coalition) agenda.
Cheers
P.S. Thanks for the video WARDOG. Please post more formula clips.
On Mon, 03 Sep 2001 17:58:43 -0400, Endo <sws...@hotmail.com> writhed
in terror whilst watching a windsurfing video and declared:
charlesivey
got tired of trying to explain to several of you that these boards are for
real and can be ridden in chop, higher winds, and even mini-jumped
(sometimes successfully). Further, the thrill of the ride is pretty dang
off the chart. Going 1.7 to 2X windspeed is amazing, and almost anyone can
do it.
We all do not live in an area with mast high waves and 40 knot winds. The
majority of days available for windsurfing for most of us would be best
experienced on wide boards that plane early and blast away upwind and
down -- that is my opinion. These boards are racing machines but also
freeride winners. I've got an 8'8" Fanatic that I have been riding a great
deal the last couple of weeks to try to get back my little board feeling,
but when I step back on a Formula and lite it up, there is no comparison to
the feeling I get. Maybe it's different strokes for different folks, but
for me, these boards are the best things since the original windsurfer. To
criticize them prematurely or to write them off as not really a major
advancement is a mistake. Sure, if you ride them once or twice and don't
get it, you might think they do not amount to much. However, learn the
technique, spend some time, and I'll bet you'll eventually agree -- for the
first half of the wind spectrum, these boards are the winners.
CI
WARDOG
Scott wrote:
> P.S. Thanks for the video WARDOG. Please post more formula clips.
>
LOL...Too Wide, Seriously Unstable, Downright Dangerous...you ain't seen
nothing yet!
Wait until '03...;-)
Will be uploading great footage of the '02 Free Formula next.
WARDOG
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Jack (Sarasota)
recognize a tongue-in-the cheek troll by Endo by now!
Jack (Sarasota)
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Endo
I haven't tried a superwide board yet but I notice that on the wider
boards I've tried, when I get a little air, the fact that my feet are
far out to the the sides and the fin in now half out of the water
makes for an unstable position during chop-hops. Matters are made
worse since the big underside of the board creates a lot of unstable
lift when you lift the nose slightly off chop.
On my not-so-wide Carve 111 I've moved the straps all the way in and I
feel much more comfortable chop-hopping.
I'm just extrapolating that things would be worse on a superwide board
and the video seemed to confirm this.
Since everyone who replied to this post says this isn't true, I have
to believe it, but I have a hard time understanding it based on what
I've experienced on mid sized wide boards.
Endo
Bill Kline
But, I did weigh 214 not too long ago, now I weigh just under 200. It is
because of Formula Sailing!
Roger is not a wide ass. He is narrow and around 145lbs. I watched him sail the
186. Mike Percy weighs 150 and rips on his Mike's Lab. Rick Whidden is light,
around 160 and tears it up on his AHD 100. Alex Aguerra is around 155 and rips
on his custom wide Formula. heer in the Gorge where it is windy, I have
witnessed at least three guys 5 7 and under in the last few weeks doing just
fine riding smoothly.
Nancy Johnson won US Nationals riding a formula board, she must weigh 115, I
saw her riding smoothly in winds up to 25 knots, and she is a mother of two
teenagers!
These Formula Boards are extremely stable. You say you do not have to observe
to know?
The boards are expanding fun for all.
charlesivey
Happened to you too huh? I was up to 195 and now I'm 175 to 178 (depends on
if the sesh just ended). The only change was going to Formula -- it's a
work out that keeps you out there longer cause it is fun, you get more TOW,
and for me downwind screamers are clearly aerobic exercise. I think of it
this way: If pushing on one of your big fins is what it takes to plane
everyday, even in light wind, then thanks for making them so big. My quiver
of Curtis fins rivals the number of my sails and boards combined.
The non-believers just have not tried yet or if they did, they did not push
the boards the right way.
CI
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forward_loop
> Since everyone who replied to this post says this isn't true, I have
> to believe it, but I have a hard time understanding it based on what
> I've experienced on mid sized wide boards.
>
what about the days where the wind got so strong you had to take the centre
board out.
Andreas Macke
<snip>
> Nancy Johnson won US Nationals riding a formula board, she must weigh 115, I
> saw her riding smoothly in winds up to 25 knots, and she is a mother of two
> teenagers!
>
9.6 in conditions when I felt fully powered on 10.4 (I weigh in at
about 210) and when Jim McGrath (who was in her start, and who knows
how to hold on to big sails in a breeze as he does just that all the
time down here in SF Bay) was on a 9.8 (he's a little above 200#). He
told me later that he was extremely impressed by Nancy's performance
throughout the event, and from what I saw, I have to agree. She may be
light, but she sure is strong and has excellent technique. Which sort
of highlights the sad fact that there were only two women competing in
a field of about 80 or so competitors. What's up with that? I think
the ratio is much better (albeit still far from even) in the European
events.
Andreas
Tom - Chicagop
If you have sailed the Formula boards, and watch the video, you see all the
cool little turns, hops and acceleration you can do on these boards. Want
to ride down the face of the wave - lean forward a bit and loosen up you
knees. Want to go really fast - lock in you legs and sheet in. Is is
gusting - sheet in more and let the board take the gust by accelerating.
See a little chop - push up on the fin and jump it.
I can't get over how much fun I have sailing on the F175, and how much more
TOW I have now.
Tom - Chicago
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"sailquik (Roger Jackson)" <sail...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Hello Sukhdev, et all,
> I had the chance to sail the new Formula 186 in the Gorge on Saturday.
> Oh, and Endo, I had no trouble at all with air/wind getting under the
> board, even in waist high confused rollers and chop over off the mouth
> of the White Salmon River where it's know to be pretty bumpy, even in
> lite winds (for the Gorge) like Saturday.
Boy oh boy, do I have questions for you! Endo on a F186????
What did he think? Has he figured out what a performer it is? Did he have
a clue as to how to drive it over the rocker? Don't tell me he carved the
jibe first time with no problem coming off plane.
I feel betrayed. Here I was, set to be the first board shipped off the
crate. Somehow, a wide door bashing guy (Endo) gets to ride the F186 before
I do.... Somehow it just does not seem right.
Oh well, mine is due shortly and I will be blasting away soon enough. One
thing seems incredible -- waist high rollers and no trouble, huh? Was this
hard driving the board in 4th and 5th gear or planing along steering around
the bigger chop? Please tell me Endo did not get air on the F186. I've
been trying to learn to do this in a controllable way and if he jumped the
70 cm fin clear of the water before I get to do it, it would be a double
set-back.
About the only thing that will make-up for this travestry is for Endo to
post something to the effect that this new WIDE door called the F186 is an
incredible board and thrilling ride. Anything less is just too little.
Congrats Endo, I'm glad you got this opportunity... Roger -- I can accept
his early opportunity to ride it, he deserves it. I only wish it had been
me.
CI
Endo
Endo
sailquik (Roger Jackson)
Just to clear this up, I (Roger) was in the Gorge, and had the chance
to sail Bill Kline's F186. It's the only one in the country until
at least the end of this week.
In answer to your question, yes, I was driving the board fairly hard,
over off the mouth of the White Salmon River. I altered course a
little so I wouldn't charge straight into the larger stuff (I learned
that lesson last summer, in the same spot, on F155).
But to sail and race in the Gorge, you can often pick how much of the
bigger stuff you want to deal with, and stay a little ways out of the
really big bumps on either side. Don't go all the way across to them,
of go over right along the Washington Shoreline where it's a little
flatter. This seemed to be what all the pro racers at the US Nationals
were doing. Some went upwind on the other shoreline, and some stayed
more in the middle of the river, to avoid the places with the biggest
rollers. You can drive through them, but I think it was better/faster
to sail to one side or the other of the worst parts.
Regard, Roger
charlesivey
had a dyslexic moment or something. My mistake. Now I am happy for Bill
Kline, but had been assured I would have the first one -- just a little
jealously showing up here. Mine should be here soon.
CI
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