Can anybody say about GUN Sails?
Peter
X-Race. I've checked it out, and decided that quality is
also good. But all of my friends never used this brand.
What about race qualities of this sail?
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Paulr353
as npzx1 - but as you say great price
musta...@my-deja.com
season to get serious. Tried requesting a catalog from their web page
(http://www.gunsails.de/uk/index.htm) some time ago. Nothing yet.
Confirms (a bit) the rumor that they have lousy customer service. I'll
be trying an email with some questions to them. Let y'all know if I
learn anything. The list prices are awesome. But I need more education
on duties, taxes, or whatever else isn't mentioned. The shipping alone
to the US adds about $75.
If you're interested in racing, is there any reason you're focusing on
the x-race instead of the m-four? Hard to tell if there's any difference
from the page, other than one more cam, availability in a 9.5, and $50
or so.
Good luck. Let us know if you get one.
Doug
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Before you buy.
Scott Haas
In USA see http://www.gunsails.com/
In the US the distributor sells them directly, I've
not seen a shop selling them.
Also never seen much of an advertising campagin in the
magazines for them.
I bought one to try, the 7.5 Race. Turns out its a
great sail, much more than what I expected.
It's priced at near half what the big brand names go for.
Bye,
Scott
Peter wrote:
>
> I've found the sail with very tempting price. The Gun Sail
> X-Race. I've checked it out, and decided that quality is
> also good. But all of my friends never used this brand.
> What about race qualities of this sail?
>
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Peter <petrNO...@go.ru.invalid> wrote in article
<0bb0ac82...@usw-ex0110-076.remarq.com>...
> I've found the sail with very tempting price. The Gun Sail
> X-Race. I've checked it out, and decided that quality is
> also good. But all of my friends never used this brand.
> What about race qualities of this sail?
I saw I nice looking Gun 6.5 X-Race sail today at Kanaha
(with a babe driving it).
Weyschede
I find it very nice especially the price my friends sailed they all think it is good
here in holland see gun a lot cause they also sell it the shops
they the durabilty of the sail isnt good but havent noticed anything about that
dka...@my-deja.com
fastest (I don't know about the X-Race), but the quality sucks -
probably a bit better than Arrows sails.
doug_a...@my-deja.com
doug_a...@my-deja.com
dka...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I've used Gun sails for years. Their race sails are easily among the
> fastest (I don't know about the X-Race), but the quality sucks -
> probably a bit better than Arrows sails.
>
Can you please explain why the quality sucks? It appears they use
straight, non-grid, monofilm. Is it light & flimsy (dream to handle, but
for only one race season, like NP)? Do the battens break? Are they
cheap(non-carbon nor tube)? Fragile cams? Poor reinforcements and/or
stitch quality? Any other quality measures I missed?
Brian Weekes
doug_a...@my-deja.com wrote in message <81bpqg$4kc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>In article <383911D0...@wxs.nl>,
> we...@wxs.nl wrote:
"durabilty of the sail isnt good but havent noticed anything
>about that"
The quality of my Gun Mega X is superior to my Neil Pryde Z1 (needs a whole
new luff tube just through normal use!!). Gun sails are fast, and the best
value on the market in my opinion. I wish the retailers in the Uk would
stock them and the mags stop sucking up to the other brands-and excluding
Gun from advertising (I think this subject has already been flogged to death
on this newsgroup).
Brian Weekes (UK)
Paul Rybarczyk
Peter wrote:
> I've found the sail with very tempting price. The Gun Sail
> X-Race. I've checked it out, and decided that quality is
> also good. But all of my friends never used this brand.
> What about race qualities of this sail?
>
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I've had a 7.3 GUN Mega X II for over a year. I bought
it direct from http://www.gunsails.com in the USA.
This is a high quality race sail, and is the best sail
I have ever owned. Here's why:
Stability: A+
This sail is incredibly stable. The draft barely moves
at all, period. This isn't a big deal in places like
Hatteras where the wind is filled in and perfect,
but here in Illinois where the wind sucks, it makes
a huge difference. It's typical for the wind to go from
10MPH to 30MPH and back to 10MPH over the course
of a minute. I've sailed this 7.3 in 30+ MPH conditions
while friends on older 2 cam 6.0's were getting crushed.
When my other sails (1 and 2 cam Gaastra and Rushwinds)
get severly overpowered, the draft moves back, then
I have to push out with the front hand and pull like
hell with the back. In a super big gust, you can't push
and pull hard enough, the sail sheets out, and you are
forced down into the water. Anybody who's sailed in
severly gusty winds knows what I'm talking about.
It's tiring and frustrating.
This GUN sail doesn't do that. I may have to sheet out
or cut up wind to keep my speed down and keep
from getting killed, but the center of effort moves little or
not at all, and I can stay in control. Here where the wind
varies 20MPH from one minute to the next, that makes
a huge difference.
Design: B+
The design seems fine to me. Unlike every other sail
I've seen, all the battens angle upward. So when the
sail is powered up and raked back, all the battens are
then horizontal. Not sure if that affects speed or
anything, but I think it looks cool. :-)
My only design gripe is that there are no zipper openings
at the cams. So if I ever have a cam problem (which I
haven't), I'm not sure how I will get access to some of
the cams.
Quality: A+
Those complaining about quality of GUN sails aren't
using the Mega X II. This sail is well built and rugged.
All the stitching and seams are still perfect. The
battens are still perfect. Other than getting a little
cloudy (like every other monofilm sail exposed to the
sun), the monofilm is still perfect. I expect this sail
to last me several more years. It is at least as good
as any sail I've ever owned. Not sure about all the
other GUN models.
Speed: A
This sail is very fast, especially in gusty conditions,
since it allows me to handle more wind than I could
normally handle with any of my other sails of equal
size. In short, it's a race sail.
Price: A+
This is the best part. $350 direct! Shipping was about
$25. That's about 1/2 the price of a comparable Pryde
or North sail. The guy I ordered it from was nice and
spent about 20 minutes with me on the phone discussing
the features of the sail to make sure I was getting what
I wanted.
Rigging: B+
Rigging was tough at first, but now that I have the hang
of it, it rigs in about 10 minutes. No problem. Sure it's
not as easy to rig as a 1 or 2 cam sail, but I don't expect
it to be...it has six cams after all! So it takes me 3 minutes
longer to rig... Big deal. The stability is worth it.
Overall Grade: A
I don't mean to sound like an infomercial, but I really
like this sail. And I don't have any agenda for saying
that...I'm just a happy customer. I just visited the
(official?) GUN site http://www.gunsails.de/uk/index.htm
and I'm not sure why the Mega X II isn't listed there.
Anybody know? Maybe it's last year's design or something.
Like I said, I bought mine from www.gunsails.com.
If you have other questions about this sail, let me know.
--
Paul Rybarczyk
PRyba...@aol.com
doug_a...@my-deja.com
> The quality of my Gun Mega X is superior to my Neil Pryde Z1
Not necessarily saying much. NP is reputed to be on the light side
(weight, strength, & durability)
> Gun ... (I think this subject has already been flogged to
death
> on this newsgroup).
I don't think so at all. Sounds like anywhere in Europe, there is at
least some exposure to the Gun line. In the US it is zip. The US
distributor web page mentioned shows sails a few years old. And like you
say, no advertizing or reviews anywhere. What better use of this NG?
Up to the recent accusations of low quality, we've heard described here
a sail line comparable to the mainstream brands, but at half the cost.
If this is the case, its real news, worth spreading. This will go
against some "Buy American" or "Buy Local" sentiments (though it
shouldn't), but sail cost can't be beyond improvement. If Gun has some
secret, let's hear it.
If its a bad one (sweatshops, 2nd rate brand, etc.) let's hear that too.
Either way I need more before I order one from the opposite side of the
globe.
dka...@my-deja.com
> Can you please explain why the quality sucks? It appears they use
> straight, non-grid, monofilm. Is it light & flimsy (dream to handle,
but
> for only one race season, like NP)? Do the battens break? Are they
> cheap(non-carbon nor tube)? Fragile cams? Poor reinforcements and/or
> stitch quality? Any other quality measures I missed?
Sorry, you are right!
On ALL the sails I've used (about 6-7) the seams start to fall apart
after 20-30 hours of use, the battens are carbon tube, of cheap quality
though, and the cams do not fit the mast perfectly...
My main problem though, is that after a season's use, the sail has
really lost its original shape (I can tell because of the difference in
the handling) while my friends' sails tend to last much more.
On the other hand, they have exceptional speed, handling and early
planning potential!
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Vaclav Hornik
> I don't mean to sound like an infomercial, but I really
> like this sail. And I don't have any agenda for saying
> that...I'm just a happy customer. I just visited the
> (official?) GUN site http://www.gunsails.de/uk/index.htm
> and I'm not sure why the Mega X II isn't listed there.
> Anybody know? Maybe it's last year's design or something.
models + 2 new 2000 designs. Now they offer 15% discount for all 99 sails
and that means you're able to purchase X-Race (3 cam freeride race) (5.0 -
8.5) for 420 - 540 DEM = about $250 - $320.
GUNs are quite popular in Europe. Their price is GREAT and quality the same
as other sails. They advertise regularly in german Surf magazin (11-12/99
Surf shows their 2000 sails).
I've been using Gun sails for 3 years and I'm about to buy 3 new GUNs for
next season as I can't see any reason to spend twice as much money for
Norths or Neil Pryde... Just look at this:
1999 X-RACE 6.8 (3 cam free race): 565 - 15% = 480 DEM
2000 GROOVE 5.7 (no cam freeride): 519 DEM
1999 TOP WAVE 5.0: 495 - 15% = 420 DEM
Total: 1419 DEM ( = about $830 ) for 3 great new sails...
Vaclav
> Like I said, I bought mine from www.gunsails.com.
>
> If you have other questions about this sail, let me know.
> --
> Paul Rybarczyk
> PRyba...@aol.com
>
Vaclav Hornik
Prague, Czech republic
vho...@atlas.cz
Hans Hueber
Ik surf al een aantal jaren met Gun Sails, en naar volle te vredenheid.
Ik heb zeilen van de bouwjaren 97 / 98 en 99 en heb geen problemen met de
kwaliteit/afwerking en of levensduur.
De surfkwaliteiten van de zeilen zijn met de jaren wel aan zienlijk
verbeterd.
Ik heb zelf nu een 99-er MX-four 8,3 m2 (replika van de Neil Pryde Z1) en
surft bijna net zo goed als een Z1 maar dan voor de helft van de prijs van
een Z1.
Als een Neil Pryde Z1 ook 2x beter surft als een Gun dan mag hij van mij ook
2x zo duur zijn.
Gun sails wordt op de nederlandse markt echter niet meer verkocht. (was
trouwens duurder dan rechtsteeks bestellen bij Gun in Duitsland.)
Voor het bestellen van een Gun Sail koop je het Duitse surfblad "SURF"
hierin staat iedere maand wel een advertentie van Gun met hun telefoon/fax
nummer en hun web-site. Daar kun je dan direct bestellen (je moet wel een
creditkaart hebben) en dan wordt je bestelling met 3 dagen thuis door UPS
afgeleverd.
p.s. De 2000 serie is nu al te koop bij Gun.
Weyschede <we...@wxs.nl> schreef in berichtnieuws 383911D0...@wxs.nl...
> I have been using a gun sail for quite long time .
> I find it very nice especially the price my friends sailed they all think
it is good
> here in holland see gun a lot cause they also sell it the shops
> they the durabilty of the sail isnt good but havent noticed anything about
that
>