Bic Techno v Vision 150/170 v F2 290/300
Steve Postlethwaite
one. The magazines I read, both UK and US aren't out yet with their
reviews.
I've been sailing a Vivace Carbon 290, but at 200lbs don't get planning
often enough in under 15knts. I will have a 7.8m and 9.0m sail to use
this year. Can I get some views on the plus's and minus's of the above
boards. I can tack and gybe my vivace no problem, so will want something
that will still offer more, not have me at the boards limits now. Can
anybody give me some advise on the three different board companies
thanks
Steve
TO'B
One guy where I sail has the Mistral Vision 150 - and he is really happy
when it is powered, but complains that it does not plane early, and is a
bitch to sail in displacement mode. (very soft rails, lots of rocker).
Also said that this board, unlike the Techno is definitely not a board for
beginners.
BTW - you should consider the Bee 289 which is a great board.
TO'B
Steve Postlethwaite
what wind does he get powered up on?
thnks
PVonraits
I purchased a Xantos 300 several weeks ago, but have had little experience
sailing it in a powered-up mode due to sub 10 mph winds. I did get out on one
15 mph day and was easily planing with a 6.5 Gaastra. The big Xantos is
remarkably stable for uphauling, better than a Veloce 328 with its daggerboard
down.
I have just received a 8.0 Sailworks Retro, which I hope will get me planing in
12 mph winds. I weigh 180 lbs and am still pretty low on the learning curve.
For me, the Xantos 300 appears to have been a good choice.
Good luck,
Peter
PVonraits
didn't have so much experience sailing like this.
Peter
bwands
still like the Techno for a lot of reasons: 1. less expensive, more
durable. 2. Planes at least as quickly as anything, 3. movable
(tunable) finbox, 4. easy as anything to jibe , 5. Great upwind
performance in displacement and planing modes, 6. Shorter--more likely
to fit in your car, and less swing weight gives a livelier, more "short
board" ride. 7. World wide formula class racing on this board. Even
if you don't race, the fact that the class exists gives the board more
resale value, more familiarity (more people know the board and can help
you with tuning/set up) used fins will be available from racers, lots
will be learned about sailing techinique on this board and passed down
(like using the leward rear footstrap when you are crazy over powered
and NEED to get downwind--learned from racing), etc. etc. Of all the
new superplaners I can't really see a reason NOT to buy a Techno. Oh
yeah, did I forget to mention that it is super-smooth in chop? Well, it
is. I think the Techno is the best product in windsurfing this decade.
That's just my opinion, however. Others will surely disagree....
W
Techno on the Brain.
Brian Weekes
bwands wrote in message <37B1A8C3...@slip.net>...
>The Xantos 300 looks good, much better than the Vision, IMHO, but I
>still like the Techno for a lot of reasons
Yup, I'll second that. Price difference in th UK is substantial too. Before
I got mine, my largest board was the Vivace 290, where I was using a 50cm
carbon F-Hot fin. Best bit is U get a bloody great swept back 48cm fin with
the techno and can use the Vivace fins (trim box) in it too.
I'd like to try my Techno out with a LARGE Neil Pryde Z1 (10m+)- anyone out
there done it??
Brian
Rayleigh, Essex UK
Andy Allsop
I bought the Vision 170 because I wanted the earliest planing, liveliest
widestyle freeride board.
I have not been disappointed on either front in the slightest. The Vision
feels really small! It also has a decent fin.
Beginners may find it more difficult in displacement mode and the mastfoot
is way back so it takes some getting used to, but I like that.
Another point is that it has full sandwich construction which is extremely
light and stiff but presumably less durable of learners.
For me there is no point in buying a dull board that won't ask something of
you - the Vision is closer to a race board with very sharp edges in the
working area. Acceleration....
I cannot follow the comments that the rails are soft and slow to plane at
all!
IMO the Techno is better suited to beginners and has a great future as a
cheap one design but lively it definitely isn't. It feels as big as it is.
The Xantos was a possibility for me but the high tech construction is
grossly over-priced in Holland and still gives the same (crap) moulded
plastic fin as the standard version. Again not quite as challenging/lively
or fast as the Vision.
The bee is a good all rounder but definitely suited more to
intermediates/beginners and definitely not the fastest of the group. Again
the lighter version is very expensive.
Tests are out in both Boards and Windsurf so check them out if you can. At
the end of the day it depends what you want out of the board and what you
want to pay. For me theVision was the best value.
Let me know what you decide.
Andy
Holland
Steve Postlethwaite <spostle...@optusnet.com.au> schreef in
berichtnieuws 37B15C18...@optusnet.com.au...
TO'B
I am crankin on the Bee 289 with a 9.5 in anything above 12 kts - he can't carry
a 9.5 on the 150. Don't know what his wind min is.
TO'B
Steve Postlethwaite wrote:
> thanks, unfortunately no one in Sydney and i think Australia imports Fanatic,
> what wind does he get powered up on?
>
> thnks
>
> TO'B wrote:
>
> > Steve:
> >
> > One guy where I sail has the Mistral Vision 150 - and he is really happy
> > when it is powered, but complains that it does not plane early, and is a
> > bitch to sail in displacement mode. (very soft rails, lots of rocker).
> >
> > Also said that this board, unlike the Techno is definitely not a board for
> > beginners.
> >
> > BTW - you should consider the Bee 289 which is a great board.
> >
> > TO'B
> >
> > Steve Postlethwaite wrote:
> >
Kirk Robertson
180 pounder could do it with an 8.5 in 12 kts? Would that be a good first
shortboard or not?
Juri Munkki
>How much do you weigh to be cranking on the bee289 in 12 kts? Do you think a
>180 pounder could do it with an 8.5 in 12 kts? Would that be a good first
>shortboard or not?
I'm about 150 lbs (68 kg) and I'm probably quite well powered up with an 8.0
in 12 knots. I think I'm starting to have fun at around 8-10 knots, but it's
not easy to say for sure.
We do have a wind meter, but I don't take it with me when I go sailing (at
that point, I don't usually care about the numbers, since I'm either powered
up or not and that's what matters). If I take a measurement on the beach,
it's going to be a lot less than if I walk to the end of the pier and take
the measurement there.
So it might be 6 knots on the beach, 8-10 knots at the end of the pier and
possibly even 13 knots in gusts out on the bay. The trees prevent the wind
from blowing at full force. I can still use the measurements fairly
consistently to determine wether I should go sailing or not, but they
might not have any relationship with the amount of wind that might be
measured somewhere else.
With that said, the Bee 289 is very nice for a big board and gets me
planing earlier and longer than the other freeride guys here. (I can't
compete with the racers with their superwide boards and 9.5 sqm sails
though.)
--
Juri Munkki jmu...@iki.fi What you see isn't all you get.
http://www.iki.fi/jmunkki Windsurfing: Faster than the wind.
Bill Bradstreet
:-)
I am the happy owner of an AHD 67. This is a very nice board. Takes some
practice to get jibing down on it though. Also, it is very fragile...unlike
the Techno. I decided that I was okay with the fact that I'll have to be
careful with my new baby. So far so good!
It does very well when not planing. IT is amazingly solid when on a plane.
15mph and I'm flying. I've been thinking about trying it out with my 6.4m2
sail to see how the windrange really is for a light weight like me.
I can get upwind as if I had a daggerboard. I use a 48cm fin right now.
Bill
Juri Munkki <jmu...@alpha.hut.fi> wrote in message
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Michael Brown
I owned my Techno since early April when they first came out and I
absolutely love the board. It planes early and with a 9.2 (Windwing
Synthesis) lulls do not exist. I weigh 200 lbs. All the places I sail have
Windhotline meters so you can track the high, average, and low winds you
sailed. I have been constantly amazed this year what this board will perform
in.
The board must come with some sort secret jibe-o-matic device because it
jibes tight, wide, whatever you want, it just does it with no effort.
With the right sail and fin this board is fast, and not just in light air.
The stock fin is okay, but the performance boost with a big Curtis fin is
well worth it. That’s probably goes for all the widestyles. With the right
fin you can just blaze upwind on this thing at angles I could never achieve
before. For me speed is easiest when I feel at least a little in control
and this board is can sail so smooth (even in nasty chop) than you can
really push it.
The board is an incredible value. At least in the US about 75% of the cost
of a Vision or Xantos. It’s incredibly durable. I don’t even have to worry
about hurting the board when going for big air off tiny chop and sometimes
with a big sail there can be some ugly landings..
And ,yeah, it is good for beginners too. I really can’t figure out why
people think this is a negative. My 12 year old has learned to sail this
year. Guess which board he now prefers to sail after just a little time on
the water. The wide stable board with a centerboard he started on or the
Techno ? We may well end up a two Techno family before the end of the year.
The Xantos and Vision may be good boards, but there is no way you can go
wrong buying a Techno.
Michael
Steve Postlethwaite
the vision 170. What sail / fin combinatiosn do you use witht the 170?
steve
Andy Allsop wrote:
us...@my-deja.com
that for your size, the Vision 170 is the better bet from Mistral, but
I haven't sailed it. I have the Tiga Free X 281 (the same as the
Techno, but I have the full padded deck). The fin that comes with the
Free X 281/Techno is not acceptable for performance sailing. With a
better fin (Curtis 50 cm for pointing, 46 cm for reaching), I think
that the board is very fast on reaches and is pretty good upwind. If
you are thinking about racing, the Techno is a good choice. There will
be formula sailing with this board. I believe the first race was in SF
Bay about three weeks ago.
I weigh about 170lbs and can plane on the Techno in 9 knots with an 8.0
V8 if I pump to get going. I just got a 9.5, so I can probably go even
lower now. In either case, the newer boards will probably weigh a
couple more pounds than your carbon board. Another option might be to
pick up a good used AHD 310 model. My roomate is 215+ lbs and
absolutely rips on that thing. It is a great board for big guys.
Good luck.
Todd
In article <37B15C18...@optusnet.com.au>,
Steve Postlethwaite <spostle...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> I'd like to get a wide style board for the summer this year, but which
> one. The magazines I read, both UK and US aren't out yet with their
> reviews.
> I've been sailing a Vivace Carbon 290, but at 200lbs don't get
planning
> often enough in under 15knts. I will have a 7.8m and 9.0m sail to use
> this year. Can I get some views on the plus's and minus's of the above
> boards. I can tack and gybe my vivace no problem, so will want
something
> that will still offer more, not have me at the boards limits now. Can
> anybody give me some advise on the three different board companies
>
> thanks
>
> Steve
>
>
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conditions?
(not a quiz. I would really like to know - particularly the top wind speed)
thanks
Wal.
Robert Youdan
light wind. I found that when the wind gets up a bit and you still have a
big sail (eg NP 8.4 in approx 18-20kt) the Techno became very harsh indeed.
But, I am certain the same would hold true of any wide style board. I guess
my point is: don't expect a smooth, quiet ride on any of these wide boards
once the wind/power/chop starts to pick up.
Rob
bwands <bwa...@slip.net> wrote in message news:37B1A8C3...@slip.net...
: The Xantos 300 looks good, much better than the Vision, IMHO, but I
: still like the Techno for a lot of reasons: 1. less expensive, more
:
bbense+rec.winds...@telemark.stanford.edu
- - I just finished a post about this. I'm a bit heavier, 180lbs, but I can
happily sail my Techno in 18-20mph with the right fin ( 38cm Curtis CR7 )
and a 5.7m sail. Racers in the techno class are running a 7+m sail and 46-48cm
fin in the same conditions in SF bay ( which is about a choppy as it gets ).
The only time I've been totally overwhelmed on my techno was in 30+ mph
with a 7.2m sail and a 51cm fin. I think if I'd had a more reasonable fin,
I still might have be able to handle it. The techno doesn't eat chop like
a 90l convertable wave/slalom board, but it comes close...
- - Booker c. Bense
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