Titanium wetsuits
uh3...@sun4.lrz-muenchen.de
>Hi there
>Im looking into buying a new wetsuit. Is titanium the go or is
>it just a gimmick? Does anyone know how it works and does it
>warrant the extra cost?
I have a Sola Evolution Titanium. Best wetsuit (almost drysuit)
I've ever had. The stretch material does make for a lot more mobility.
Cheers,
Henrik
Andrew Nefiodovas
Im looking into buying a new wetsuit. Is titanium the go or is
it just a gimmick? Does anyone know how it works and does it
warrant the extra cost?
Peter I. Somlo
I just bough one (Rip Curl, "Dawn Patrol", and couple of days ago I
had to get out of it (in 24 deg.C) I thought I faint with a heat-stoke.
It must be OK below 18 deg.C I suppose. The `theory' is that the metal
reflects the body-heat But why titanium I'll never know (silver and copper
are better reflectors I think...).
Cheers, Peter
Kevin Hardy
<so...@zeta.org.au> wrote:
The `theory' is that the metal
> reflects the body-heat But why titanium I'll never know (silver and copper
> are better reflectors I think...).
> Cheers, Peter
Silver and copper are toxic, titanium is biologically inert. In fact I
have a few titanium screws holding some of my bones together =)
Kevin Hardy
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Rob Morling
with other winter steamers, as it's the first I've owned. What I can say,
though, is that it's kept me sailing all winter in the UK without so much
as a suggestion of getting cold (except my hands, which are still frozen to
my boom). I think that it's worth the extra money (only 20 pounds on a
250 pound total).
The other thing that I think is worth the money is getting a custom fitted
suit. They really aren't that much more expensive, and there's no escaping
the fact that, titanium or no titanium, three, four or five millimetres thick,
if you have water in your suit because it doesn't fit properly, you're going
to be cold.
Just my 2 pennies (Sterling) worth.
Rob Morling
Wayne Swales
>As far as I can determine, Titanium is a gimmick. I have a Body Glove and the
>material is nylon. Titaninim is the color of that nylon.
>
>
A gimmick!, I don't think so, the Japanese spent a lot of time developing
the metal lined wetsuit, the titanium reflects 5% of the body heat back,
each mil of neoprene is supposed to retain 5%, so you can have a mil thinner
wetsuit if you have it titanium or aluminium lined, this means less
effort when moving around, which means longer on the water.
The best suit I've used is Second Skin, the neoprene is bought in bulk from
Japan and it used to be the case, where Second Skin and Gull bought the
neoprene together. So the Gull and SS are made from the same stuff.
BUt Gull has many employees making the suits, SS has one guy who cuts and
glues the suits and a women who blind stiches once the glue has gone off.
So there's no need to worry about a Friday afternoon suit!!!
Wayne....
Copello 265 chop rocket!
Chris Stephens
> Silver and copper are toxic, titanium is biologically inert. In fact I
> have a few titanium screws holding some of my bones together =)
>
> Kevin Hardy
Ah, this could be where you're going wrong. Human beings are exodermic i.e. the
skin is on the outside. You should therefore aim to wear your wetsuit
externally rather than internally. As well as avoiding any toxic effects, this
will keep you warmer, drier and possibly prevent further broken bones....
"Gotta gecko" Chris
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Chris Stephens
> The best suit I've used is Second Skin
>
Just like to endorse that. Andy Schollick (the main man at Second Skin) has the
attitude that you design a wetsuit for fit and functionality, not for show. So
no unnecessary seams or flash panels, a shape that bends where you bend, a
made-to-measure service that gives you a suit that fits .... and his suits are
often cheaper than the equivalent mass-made Gul or Sola.
I've got no connection with the company apart from being a very satisfied
customer (so too is my wife, and you know how women like to have garments that
fit). I wouldn't buy any other make of wetsuit again!
J.Dunlop
Chris Stephens <step...@summer.bt.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> The best suit I've used is Second Skin
>>
>> Wayne....
>
>Just like to endorse that. Andy Schollick (the main man at Second Skin) has the
>"Gotta gecko" Chris
I am think of getting another suit, where in UK retails these ? They may
be worth a look if not too pricey on the made to measure costs (this aint
Hong Kong). I haven't seen them on the rack anywhere, but if they are
m -t -m that probably explains it. I can never get a suit that has long
enough legs, this may be the answer. I am assuming that luvvly high tech
materials like titanium (cos it really DOES make a difference) and shark
skin are available.
Thanks for any info...
J.D
Chris Stephens
> I am think of getting another suit, where in UK retails these ?
>
There's a review of wetsuits in the latest issue of BOARDS mag, and I'm sure
you'll find Second Skin's details. If you want m-t-m they send you a detailed
measurement chart to complete (great fun, especially the measurements that need
assistance from wife/girlfriend/significant other). Armstrong is another small
company of good repute that does m-t-m.
If you're still stuck for contacts email me and I'll hunt out my info.
Chris Stephens
Andy Brazier
In article <3o30o5$q...@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de>, uh3...@sun4.lrz-muenchen.de () writes:
>andrew.n...@adl.csiro.soils.au (Andrew Nefiodovas) writes:
>
>>Hi there
>>Im looking into buying a new wetsuit. Is titanium the go or is
>>it just a gimmick? Does anyone know how it works and does it
>>warrant the extra cost?
>
>I've ever had. The stretch material does make for a lot more mobility.
>
>Cheers,
> Henrik
I have the same suit and I have sailed all this winter in Scotland
without a hood or gloves and the cheepest boots and I find I stay warm
enough all the time apart from the occastional "ice cream head." My
sailing has also improved a lot because I am now quite happy to fall in.
AndyB
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email: an...@uk.ac.ed.chemeng phone: 031 6508563 fax: 031 6506551
Crazed Teapot Man
> Hi there
> Im looking into buying a new wetsuit. Is titanium the go or is
> it just a gimmick? Does anyone know how it works and does it
> warrant the extra cost?
> Andrew
Well I recently bought a Sola Vision Titanium and I am VERY impressed.
The suit definately seems to be thinner for the same warmth, which was
the idea behind the Ti. Had no problems with it at all yet and this is
England not Oz like you!*grin*
J.Dunlop
Chris Stephens <step...@summer.bt.co.uk> wrote:
>
>There's a review of wetsuits in the latest issue of BOARDS mag, and I'm sure
>you'll find Second Skin's details. If you want m-t-m they send you a detailed
>measurement chart to complete (great fun, especially the measurements that need
>assistance from wife/girlfriend/significant other). Armstrong is another small
>company of good repute that does m-t-m.
Yep, just got that issue. They must be reading my mind.
Really could have done with a shorty on Sunday (Phew !)
Thanks for the help....
J.D.
Colas Nahaboo
andrew.n...@adl.csiro.soils.au (Andrew Nefiodovas) writes:
|> Im looking into buying a new wetsuit. Is titanium the go or is
|> it just a gimmick? Does anyone know how it works and does it
|> warrant the extra cost?
one year and a half ago I bought a titanium suit (quicksilver). And I
spent 2 winters with it, feeling as warm in this TWO mm suit than my
previous 4/3 (rip curl mesh) !!! Raining all-day cold sessions with 13 C
water were Ok. And this is the european version, with titanium only on
torso (full titanium arent imported, as makers think it would be too
expensive here to sell)
I think it works. Measures claims it is 30% warmer, and I personally think
that since you can wear a thinner suit, it "wraps" you better, allowing
less water entry, gaining another percentage of warmth.
In my experience, what make a wetsuit warm is:
* first, waterproof seams
* then smooth neoprene outside
* snug (but confortable) fit
* titanium
No use to go titanium if the first 3 items are not there. But otherwise,
take a titanioum suit 1mm less thick that you would normally take. You
wont regret it.
Some makers claims that an inner liner of polypropylene fibers is even
better than titanium but I didnt try one.
--
Colas Nahaboo, Koala, BULL @ INRIA Sophia, http://www.inria.fr/koala/colas
Kevin Hardy
<step...@summer.bt.co.uk> wrote:
> > Silver and copper are toxic, titanium is biologically inert. In fact I
> > have a few titanium screws holding some of my bones together =)
> >
> > Kevin Hardy
>
> Ah, this could be where you're going wrong. Human beings are exodermic
i.e. the
>
> skin is on the outside. You should therefore aim to wear your wetsuit
>
> externally rather than internally. As well as avoiding any toxic
effects, this
>
> will keep you warmer, drier and possibly prevent further broken bones....
>
> "Gotta gecko" Chris
However humans can absorb leaching metals through their pores.
Harald Bach-Gansmo
>
>
>In article <3o30o5$q...@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de>, uh3...@sun4.lrz-muenchen.de () writes:
>>andrew.n...@adl.csiro.soils.au (Andrew Nefiodovas) writes:
>>
>>>Hi there
>>>it just a gimmick? Does anyone know how it works and does it
>>>warrant the extra cost?
>>
>>I've ever had. The stretch material does make for a lot more mobility.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> Henrik
>
>I have the same suit and I have sailed all this winter in Scotland
>without a hood or gloves and the cheepest boots and I find I stay warm
>enough all the time apart from the occastional "ice cream head." My
>sailing has also improved a lot because I am now quite happy to fall in.
>
>AndyB
>
>
>--
>Andy Brazier Research Associate, Human Factors in Safety
>email: an...@uk.ac.ed.chemeng phone: 031 6508563 fax: 031 6506551
Harald here !
I also have a Sola Evolution Titanium 93mod. Best suit I ever had -
A must for a windsurfer/surfer in Norway. The suit maybe a bit to warm
in the summer time !
middle of the summer
Wayne Swales
>These suits sound like what we need in the Pacific. Anybody want to scare
>me with a price??
>Eric Sweet SWE...@AOL.COM
>Oakland CA
In the UK, the best (in my opinion) is Second Skin, a 4mm titanuim lined is
about 270 quid. These suits are custom made, if you call second skin they'll
send out a chart, you fill out the measurements as directed, tell them what you
want double line, single line, titanium etc etc, and they'll build it and send
it. Go for it!
Wayne Swales,
Copello 265 chop rocket
Sweet99
NLW TFW NM
Fasten your seat belt -- here comes a price...
$309 for Body Glove's 4/3 titanium.
Big deal. It's the dry zippers that add real cost, not the titanium.
Body Glove's suit i8s almost dry, because it has an inner flap across the
shoulders that diverts any neck seal seepage aay from your skin. PWR has
tested that suit in the Gorge and the Oregon coast in chilly (air and
water in the low 50s) conditions and found it to be as warm and almost as
dry as many dry suits, and warmer than some. Windance in Hood River
carries it, or just contact your nearest Body Glove dealer. It's an
impressive suit.
No, I have no connection with Body Glove, but I did test the suit
extensively for PWR.
Mike
BATES Steven
>In the UK, the best (in my opinion) is Second Skin, a 4mm titanuim lined
is
>about 270 quid. These suits are custom made, if you call second skin
they'll
>send out a chart, you fill out the measurements as directed, tell them
what you
>want double line, single line, titanium etc etc, and they'll build it and
send
>it. Go for it!
>Wayne Swales,
> Copello 265 chop rocket
>
I bought a Sparten Stealth titanium 5/3 mm for 240 pounds from L.H.Jones
near Cambridge. I use it in Lake Geneva (where I now live) with the
water at 7 degrees C no problem. It's the hands that are the bastards now.
Steve
CKirks
sleeves) for $169.