Information On Coyote Point/3rd Ave For New Bay Area Sailors
Will Estes
planning a trip to the Bay Area soon.
Yesterday I went sailing with Ken Poulton at Third Avenue, which is just south
of Coyote Point, which is just south of San Francisco airport, which is just
south of San Francisco...well, you get the idea. :) I found out something
about the channel that I had not known before, and since I have never seen it
mentioned in any of the posts here, I thought it was worth making explicit.
It turns out that sailing the channel is an entirely different
experience from sailing close to shore. All of these years I have
been sailing out to the channel markers and then heading back in,
all on the assumption that the marker is where the channel begins
and that not much worth seeing was beyond that.
Imagine my surprise Sunday upon following Ken out past the channel
marker.... As you continue out about 100 yards suddenly on the
horizon there appears a blue line. It's not subtle; it's more like
night and day, as the mud from the shallow water near the shore
immediately becomes a clean, clear blue. As you pass over the blue
line it is like you have dropped off a cliff, as you suddenly become
aware that you are in much deeper water, and the whole sailing
experience suddenly changes. The chop in the channel is like ocean
swell. The height of each wave is slightly bigger than close to
shore, but more surprising is that the distance between successive
waves is quite large, creating smooth, wide troughs between each wave.
The experience was quite Gorge-like, although I doubt we ever get mast-high
swell like they do some days at the Gorge.
In any case, I thought this was worth sharing with some of the newer
sailors here, as I've never seen the information published anywhere
else. Once you get good enough to work your way back up wind, you
have something to look forward too. Caution: before you sail the
channel, learn to read a tide chart and be aware of when the tide is
flooding. During a flood the current will be pretty swift in the
channel itself, and you will really need to work hard to stay upwind
if you are not making your jibes. Avoid the channel during a flood
if you have any doubts of your ability to work up wind.
--
Will Estes Internet: wes...@netcom.com
Grant Grundler
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> In any case, I thought this was worth sharing with some of the newer
> sailors here, as I've never seen the information published anywhere
> else. Once you get good enough to work your way back up wind, you
> have something to look forward too. Caution: before you sail the
> channel, learn to read a tide chart and be aware of when the tide is
> flooding. During a flood the current will be pretty swift in the
> channel itself, and you will really need to work hard to stay upwind
> if you are not making your jibes. Avoid the channel during a flood
> if you have any doubts of your ability to work up wind.
Take this warning serious!
Two reasons:
- If anything breaks or you have any trouble in the channel you end up south
of the San Mateo Bridge (or if you are less fortunate, under the bridge).
- On a flood tide, the wind and water are going about the same direction.
The effect is it gets harder to water start and there is no swell to
help get on a plane.
My comments:
- 3rd Ave is not the place to be when the wind dies down in the evening.
It takes about 1.5 to 2 hours to swim in with the rig from the first
upwind channel marker - I've done half the stretch in 45 - 50 minutes.
Keep an eye on events taking place near the shoreline. If you don't see
people sailing there, find out why - maybe there's no wind. At 3rd Ave,
the wind often dies near the shore and the "dead" spot grows outwards
towards the channel. It's seldomly totally dead - just the wind is very
weak and blows somewhat offshore from the launch site.
- 3rd Ave is not the place to be on a lower than average tide.
I've mucked in often enough. Watch those tide charts closely.
- IHMO, ONLY experienced sailors should go out in the channel.
The Coast Guard needs nearly an hour to reach the site from the
Treasure Island station. We called a CG observer to help keep an
eye on someone caught just inside the channel when the wind died.
He made in 1 3/4 hours later - just a bit after sunset.
- Foster City still has not opened the new launch site and is delaying
doing so for unknown (to me) reasons. Pretext is they have to pave it
but the word of mouth is the contractor is "willing, able, and ready"
to pave and needs permission from Foster City.
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Grant Grundler voice: +1.408.366.3583
gr...@oas.olivetti.com fax: +1.408.366.3606
Tom von Alten
:
: - IHMO, ONLY experienced sailors should go out in the channel.
: The Coast Guard needs nearly an hour to reach the site from the
: Treasure Island station. We called a CG observer to help keep an
: eye on someone caught just inside the channel when the wind died.
: He made in 1 3/4 hours later - just a bit after sunset.
Sounds like a PFD and some emergency gear might be de rigeur, too, eh?
Just an idea...
"flew over Coyote recently, haven't sailed there in a while" :-/
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Benjamin Cristi
>Take this warning serious!
A few more comments:
I strongly recommend sailing with a buddy when that far offshore. A
few years ago I broke a mast in the channel off Coyote Pt. My buddy had a
fairly floaty slalom bd but still experienced great difficulty towing me in
( sail, mast and boom derigged and on top of my 9'0" board, he also had 50'
of extra line to use as a tow rope).
Luckily, a sailboat passed nearby. They picked me up and brought me to ]
the harbor at Coyote, while my buddy towed my equipment to the beach without
any problems.
Also, overdress for warmth when sailing far offshore. If you break down and
have to paddle your board in, it will take longer for hypothermia to set in.
If you don't have a buddy, sail where there's a crowd. I know there are
disadvantages such as sailors who don't follow the right of way rules etc,
but I think the advantages (from a safety standpoint) outweigh the dis-
advantages. I do most of my sailing on the coast on weekdays, and feel
much safer when theres other sailors around, even though it means having
to give up a great wave to someone else every now and then.
Check out 3rd ave. Theres always a crowd at the channel marker where the
swells stack up over the sandbar. Have fun.
Ben
Andrew J. Huang
>( sail, mast and boom derigged and on top of my 9'0" board, he also had 50'
>of extra line to use as a tow rope).
>
In regards to towing, I suspect that your towing problems were due to
the 50' towline. In my earlier days I was involved in a few tows and
always found that with a long line you built up speed and BWANG! the
line goes taut and the tow-er flops. A short line prevents speed
build up. The outhaul was just about right, providing about 3'
between the boards.
A second towing tip is to connect the towline to the mast foot of the
tow board. If attached to a back strap, steering is impossible.
andy
Mark Llewellyn Hughes
I sometimes sail by the Dumbarton Bridge after work
and the effect is similar, ugly brown/grey water suddenly resembles Kailua Bay, ....must be the new sunglasses!!....., and the water is smooth. Makes for great swell riding conditions, but beware the flat spot near land, and get back in quickly if the wind starts to drop, or you'll be washed under the bridge if the tide is flooding.
Mark
|>
|> In any case, I thought this was worth sharing with some of the newer
|> sailors here, as I've never seen the information published anywhere
|> else. Once you get good enough to work your way back up wind, you
|> have something to look forward too. Caution: before you sail the
|> channel, learn to read a tide chart and be aware of when the tide is
|> flooding. During a flood the current will be pretty swift in the
|> channel itself, and you will really need to work hard to stay upwind
|> if you are not making your jibes. Avoid the channel during a flood
|> if you have any doubts of your ability to work up wind.
|>
|> --
|> Will Estes Internet: wes...@netcom.com
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Visual Magic Division
Phone: 415-390-1965
email ma...@sgi.com
Kirk Lindstrom
>channel, learn to read a tide chart and be aware of when the tide is
>flooding. During a flood the current will be pretty swift in the
>channel itself, and you will really need to work hard to stay upwind
>if you are not making your jibes. Avoid the channel during a flood
>if you have any doubts of your ability to work up wind.
>--
>Will Estes Internet: wes...@netcom.com
Welcome to "the channel" Will! Sometimes it is actually easier to go upwind
in the channel at 3rd in a flood tide since the water is usually smoother
then it is outside the channel. I've sailed beyond the channel to the
other side for some excellent speed runs a few times also. It is a blast
to be zipping along at 30 or so MPH and see the cars on the San Mateo
bridge at a standstill in the evening commute (on the other side in flat
water). I've also sat in the channel waiting for a gust to get up on my
sinker and wonder what the fishermen under the bridge think as I bob
about. I just hate the launch at 3rd. Hopefully it will be better
when they open the new area. The ingress/egress ramps work OK for
getting in the water (Tuesday) but I couldn't get out on them without
smashing gear at the peak high tide so I had to climb the rocks at
"the little beach" to get out and switch boards.
Kirk out
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Will Estes
: about. I just hate the launch at 3rd. Hopefully it will be better
: when they open the new area. The ingress/egress ramps work OK for
: getting in the water (Tuesday) but I couldn't get out on them without
: smashing gear at the peak high tide so I had to climb the rocks at
: "the little beach" to get out and switch boards.
Whoever designed the new winding launch ramps at 3rd is brain-dead.
They are so narrow, and at a lower level than the rocks around them,
that you are just as likely to ding gear as climbing over rocks
directly. Leave it to a bureaucracy to spend money to make a
problem worse....
Scott J. Norton
> Whoever designed the new winding launch ramps at 3rd is brain-dead.
> They are so narrow, and at a lower level than the rocks around them,
> that you are just as likely to ding gear as climbing over rocks
> directly. Leave it to a bureaucracy to spend money to make a
> problem worse....
They were intentionally designed that way. The ramps that you are
using now are not designed to be used for normal entry / exit into
the bay waters. The new launch site (when finished) is where people
are supposed to be going.
The ramps people have been using are there only for emergency egress
out of the bay. When we met with the BCDC and Foster City officials
they didn't want to provide any access for us. What we got in the end
was a permanent launch site with two ramps and parking for ~160 cars.
We also convinced them that emergency exits were needed for those times when
people break down (or the wind complete shuts off) and come in somewhere
between the launch site and the bridge. They didn't buy that until the issue
of liability came up, then they committed to creating 4 egress points for
emergency exit out of the water (two are already cmpleted, two left to
be completed by Cal Trans).
Given their intended usage, the ramps are fine. I wouldn't complain
too much, 95% of the sailors who sail at 3rd, wouldn't do anything
to help our fight against Foster City when they were planing on completely
shutting off our access. At the first 3 city council meetings, only
3 windsurfers showed up and it was posted on the net and several signs
at the site. Given the support most windsurfers showed, we are lucky that
the BCDC was on our side and sympathetic to our wishes or we would have
lost the site completely.
Scott
Jaime Cordera
The downwind ramps (near the old launch site) are intended as emergency outbound
ramps only. The launching ramps at the new area are the only ones designed
(to use the term loosely) for regular use. This may explain why the downwind
ramps are less useful.
According to Randy Anderson, who is the SFBA guy tracking the 3rd ave changes,
the downwind emergency ramps won't last long anyway, since they are built from
solid concrete, and won't hold up as the ramp settles (unevenly) into the silt.
The upwind launch ramps at the new site are built of concrete blocks, which
are supposedly more durable, since the blocks can settle individually, without
putting stress on the whole ramp.
There are supposed to be big signs near the 3 downwind ramps, visible from
the water, to allow you to find the ramps should you get stuck that far
downwind, however, these currently do not exist.
I recommend that everyone take a stroll along the path toward the bridge
and find landmarks for the 3 launch ramps, as they are almost invisible from
the water unless you're right on top of them.
Also, since I just had some experience with this Sunday, the rocks change
size considerably as the shore curves toward the bridge. The small, climbable
rocks at the pocket beaches near the old main launch, change to uneven, quite
large rocks which are almost impossible to climb. They are nearly waist high
(I'm 6 feet tall) and you must be amongst the rocks in order to climb past them,
exposing yourself to the chop while trying to maintain your balance with board
and rig in hand. I now have redesigned board graphics, and my girlfriend has
a new, "vented", sail design as a result.
Jaime "can't wait for the new launch to open" Cordera
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Grant Grundler
> The ramps people have been using are there only for emergency egress
> out of the bay. When we met with the BCDC and Foster City officials
> they didn't want to provide any access for us. What we got in the end
> was a permanent launch site with two ramps and parking for ~160 cars.
The BCDC meetings resulted in parking for 52 cars exactly. If you
don't believe me, go measure it. It's built but not open because Foster
City won't let the construction company pave it!
At the meeting and afterwards I complained to Jeff Jensen 52 cars would
definitely NOT be enough since I last year counted more than
80 sailors using the facility and recently more than 110 (on a good day).
Jeff told me, if/when the 3rd Ave. widening project takes place, Cal
Trans or Foster City will have to replace the lost parking. If and how
remains to be seen. I reccomend Foster City resident windsurfers keep an
ear on the ground to warn SFBA/net/etc. when this is going to happen.
No parking means no windsurfing for all pratical purposes.
Not only is the parking insufficient, the bloody parking lot has a 3 or
4 foot high fence all around the lot with 2 small openings towards the
bike path. I do NOT know of any other Foster City facility with a fence
around it like this one.
> We also convinced them that emergency exits were needed for those times when
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Egress points was not a big deal since BCDC agreed people would end up down
wind and at the time a sailor had died trying to get out of the water.
Additional cost to Foster City would be minimal.
(I think it happened at either Rio Vista/Sherman Island or Berkeley Marina)
> Given their intended usage, the ramps are fine. I wouldn't complain
> too much, 95% of the sailors who sail at 3rd, wouldn't do anything
> to help our fight against Foster City when they were planing on completely
> shutting off our access. At the first 3 city council meetings, only
> 3 windsurfers showed up and it was posted on the net and several signs
> at the site.
I don't recall any Foster City Council meetings being posted to either
the net or at the site. It may just be my selective memory...
The BCDC meetings were posted and I attended one or two of them.
I otherwise have to concede you are mostly right that few of the users
of the site showed up at the meetings. Only about 10 people showed up
the first BCDC meeting. On the other hand, I find this pretty good
considering it was held in SF and during a normal work day. I also
should note more 200 people mailed letters to the BCDC to support
winsurfing at 3rd Ave. This is more letters than the BCDC has received
on ANY issue.
> Given the support most windsurfers showed, we are lucky that
> the BCDC was on our side and sympathetic to our wishes or we would have
> lost the site completely.
Though BCDC may be sympathetic to our wishes, they have almost
no or few resources to enforce permit violations. Big problem for them
and Foster City is abusing this right now since the work at 3rd Ave. was
to be completed by early June (This is my understanding of what a
Caltrans worker told me - he figures the work will be done in less than
60 days).
Grant Grundler voice: +1.408.366.3583
gr...@atc.olivetti.com fax: +1.408.366.3606
Grant Grundler
>Whoever designed the new winding launch ramps at 3rd is brain-dead.
>They are so narrow, and at a lower level than the rocks around them,
>that you are just as likely to ding gear as climbing over rocks
>directly. Leave it to a bureaucracy to spend money to make a
>problem worse....
ja...@netcom.com (Jaime Cordera) writes:
> The downwind ramps (near the old launch site) are intended as emergency outbound
> ramps only. The launching ramps at the new area are the only ones designed
> (to use the term loosely) for regular use. This may explain why the downwind
> ramps are less useful.
Jaime - I think you misunderstood - Will *was* writing about the ramps
in "the new area". And I agree with his opinion. I've already posted
a grip regarding the stupid fence around the parking lot.
I tried getting out of the water at the new launch site with about a
3 ft tide and found the obstacles quite bad. Fairly large rocks block
the waterline (about 6 feet below were the path ends) and a very muddy,
slick slope to climb up. I am pretty coordinated and can negotiate the
rocks at the old site with my board/rig on my head. I slipped here
and managed to add some more dings to my board. not good. I know
lots of people are going to have more trouble than I since I'm
also 6'4", 205 lbs and can easily carry my equipment.
Kirk Lindstrom
>: about. I just hate the launch at 3rd. Hopefully it will be better
>: when they open the new area. The ingress/egress ramps work OK for
>: getting in the water (Tuesday) but I couldn't get out on them without
>: smashing gear at the peak high tide so I had to climb the rocks at
>: "the little beach" to get out and switch boards.
>
>They are so narrow, and at a lower level than the rocks around them,
>that you are just as likely to ding gear as climbing over rocks
>directly. Leave it to a bureaucracy to spend money to make a
>problem worse....
'bout the only thing I can think of that would work would be to build
a breakwater pointing out towards the channel and then let a natural
sand/mud beach form downwind like the breakwater they have for Coyote
Pt Harbor. Probably expensive.....
Maybe a floating dock over the mud at low tide would work. Also expensive.
Maybe a post to tie boards to so you can put your board in and get your
sail on a 2nd trip.......
Other ideas?
Kirk out
John Caulfield
expect there to be wind at one part of the Outer Banks of North Carolina while it may be dead
at another point of the isthmus. Does anyone on the net have any insight on how depending on the
wind direction one may get an idea where to go when its dead. It is a long drive from Duck to
say Hatteras. Or should I just call up the shops at the place.
Thanks John
Jaime Cordera
>wes...@netcom.com (Will Estes) writes:
>>Whoever designed the new winding launch ramps at 3rd is brain-dead.
>>They are so narrow, and at a lower level than the rocks around them,
>>that you are just as likely to ding gear as climbing over rocks
>>directly. Leave it to a bureaucracy to spend money to make a
>>problem worse....
>
>ja...@netcom.com (Jaime Cordera) writes:
>
>Jaime - I think you misunderstood - Will *was* writing about the ramps
>in "the new area". And I agree with his opinion. I've already posted
>a grip regarding the stupid fence around the parking lot.
I did misunderstand. Apologies.
As far as the fence goes, it *IS* stupid, but it was originally going to be
even higher, if I remember correctly, 6ft. There was a semit-legitimate concern,
which I can't remember right off hand, that the fence addressed. Foster City
was talked into lowering it to 3 feet, except the upwind part, which is 4 ft.
I'll do some more digging and get the rationale for the fence.
>
>I tried getting out of the water at the new launch site with about a
>3 ft tide and found the obstacles quite bad. Fairly large rocks block
>the waterline (about 6 feet below were the path ends) and a very muddy,
>slick slope to climb up. I am pretty coordinated and can negotiate the
>rocks at the old site with my board/rig on my head. I slipped here
>and managed to add some more dings to my board. not good. I know
>lots of people are going to have more trouble than I since I'm
>also 6'4", 205 lbs and can easily carry my equipment.
Concerning the large rocks guarding the new (upwind) launch areas, I talked
to Randy Anderson, who seems to be the SFBA guy keeping track of 3rd Ave,
and he was going to try to talk the construction guys into pulling the 2
rocks out of the way before they took away their heavy equipment. How
successful he'll be is anyones guess. That's
as of the 3rd Ave beach cleanup.
We may need to take direct action concerning the muddy, sticky slope. At
Candlestick, I believe the regulars have added carpets at the lauch site at
each successive annual "beach" cleanup such that the current launch is quite
firm to wade in and not at all like most Bay sites. Just a thought.
Stay tuned on this thread for info on what you can do to improve
the 3rd ave situation.
Jaime
Jaime Cordera
>
>At the meeting and afterwards I complained to Jeff Jensen 52 cars would
>definitely NOT be enough since I last year counted more than
>80 sailors using the facility and recently more than 110 (on a good day).
Grant, we all owe you for collecting this data. I was thinking of doing it,
but it would have taken a lot of discipline to count cars instead of sailing
on a good day. Thanks.
>Jeff told me, if/when the 3rd Ave. widening project takes place, Cal
>Trans or Foster City will have to replace the lost parking. If and how
>remains to be seen. I reccomend Foster City resident windsurfers keep an
>ear on the ground to warn SFBA/net/etc. when this is going to happen.
>No parking means no windsurfing for all pratical purposes.
As I understand it, there is no immediate danger of widening 3rd avenue, due
to the economy in general, and Foster City's in particular. Still, I agree
with the advice. Keep your ear to the ground.
>
>Not only is the parking insufficient, the bloody parking lot has a 3 or
>4 foot high fence all around the lot with 2 small openings towards the
>bike path. I do NOT know of any other Foster City facility with a fence
>around it like this one.
>
>> We also convinced them that emergency exits were needed for those times when
>[ stuff deleted ]
>Egress points was not a big deal since BCDC agreed people would end up down
>wind and at the time a sailor had died trying to get out of the water.
>Additional cost to Foster City would be minimal.
>(I think it happened at either Rio Vista/Sherman Island or Berkeley Marina)
It was the Ashby launch at the Berkely Marina.
>
>> Given their intended usage, the ramps are fine. I wouldn't complain
>> too much, 95% of the sailors who sail at 3rd, wouldn't do anything
>> to help our fight against Foster City when they were planing on completely
>> shutting off our access. At the first 3 city council meetings, only
>> 3 windsurfers showed up and it was posted on the net and several signs
>> at the site.
>
>I don't recall any Foster City Council meetings being posted to either
>the net or at the site. It may just be my selective memory...
>The BCDC meetings were posted and I attended one or two of them.
>
>I otherwise have to concede you are mostly right that few of the users
>of the site showed up at the meetings. Only about 10 people showed up
>the first BCDC meeting. On the other hand, I find this pretty good
>considering it was held in SF and during a normal work day. I also
>should note more 200 people mailed letters to the BCDC to support
>winsurfing at 3rd Ave. This is more letters than the BCDC has received
>on ANY issue.
I was one of those who Fed-Ex'd a letter to BCDC due to either my sloth or
late notice. Can't remember which.
>
>> Given the support most windsurfers showed, we are lucky that
>> the BCDC was on our side and sympathetic to our wishes or we would have
>> lost the site completely.
>
>Though BCDC may be sympathetic to our wishes, they have almost
>no or few resources to enforce permit violations. Big problem for them
>and Foster City is abusing this right now since the work at 3rd Ave. was
>to be completed by early June (This is my understanding of what a
>Caltrans worker told me - he figures the work will be done in less than
>60 days).
>
>Grant Grundler voice: +1.408.366.3583
>gr...@atc.olivetti.com fax: +1.408.366.3606
More info later.
Will Estes
: > Given their intended usage, the ramps are fine. I wouldn't complain
: > too much, 95% of the sailors who sail at 3rd, wouldn't do anything
: > to help our fight against Foster City when they were planing on completely
: > shutting off our access. At the first 3 city council meetings, only
: > 3 windsurfers showed up and it was posted on the net and several signs
: > at the site.
: I don't recall any Foster City Council meetings being posted to either
: the net or at the site. It may just be my selective memory...
: The BCDC meetings were posted and I attended one or two of them.
A general suggestion regarding city planning meetings: rather than
posting generic notices that a meeting is going to take place,
instead post a note with:
1) the name(s) of specific city officials or council members
2) their phone numbers
3) their civic function, and their role in the specific decisions
that need to be influenced
4) state a specific objective that you want accomplished (i.e., we
want 110 parking spaces, not 52)
If we had a list of power-brokers to call, I think we could easily
generate a *lot* of phone calls and letters to those people. But
guide us to the *right* people, and save us all a lot of time by
thinking out the issues ahead of time and stating the *conclusion*
you want advocated. If they get 100 different calls advocating 100
slightly different policies, this simply confuses the issue. Give
these people a clear, coordinated mandate.
What I really object to in general is the idea that we should all
just show up at some meeting and each of us represent diverse
interests without any specific objectives. While I would probably
go out of my way to stay away from a meeting where I am just a body
in a room with other bodies, I would probably go out of my way to
make phone calls and write letters if I thought I was talking to
people who had some power and I was acting in a coordinated way
toward advocating well-defined goals.
My two cents on influencing this process....
Jaime Cordera
I agree completely: however, that is the purpose of the SFBA and it's
newsletter. I hope that we can somehow coordinate the efforts of people
here on the net and (the vast majority) off the net. Otherwise, we will be
seen as disorganized, and we'll waste a lot of our effort.
I recommend that before any of us (including me) start our own campaigns for
whatever it is that should be done next, that we work with the SFBA guy who is
tracking the 3rd Ave changes. He has some experience dealing with the
officials involved (as do others), but most importantly, he can be the single
point of coordination for our efforts.
His name is Randy Anderson and he can be reached at the number posted in the
SFBA flyer. I hope we don't overrun his capacity to deal with us. If someone
talks to him and has new info, please post it here, so I don't call him and
ask him the same questions. Please be considerate about when/how often you
call.
Randy has asked us to write about opening up the new launch area. *PLEASE*
write the letters to the officials listed. If you missed my post of the
SFBA flyer, please email me and I will get a copy to you.
Kirk Lindstrom
from the quality of what I've seen lately.....
Raise taxes, that is it! We need more of those orange trucks for people
to sleep in during the day when it gets hot outside.....
Kirk out