Which Neil Pryde sail ?
Pat Ryan
Hi,
I'm planning to buy a 6.5 M sail soon. I already have a 5.1M Neil
Pryde sail which I bought about two years ago. It's a 5.1 XSC ( now
called Gybe I think ) and I really like it. I don't have much to
compare it with except a really old North and Bic sail.
The problem I face is that NP have several makes of sail i.e Gybe,
Shock, V6, V8 & the VX's. I can't gybe or waterstart but I hope to
be able to by the end of this season.
So, should I buy the cheapest sail ( Gybe ) or go fo the upper end of
the range ( V6 or V8 ) in the hope that I will grow into them.
I have a Bic rumba at the moment but hope to progress to a
295 FreeRide board in the future.
/Pat
Carl Edgar
Pat Ryan <lmi...@eei.ericsson.se> wrote in article
<33777d7d...@news.ericsson.se>...
If your waterstarting is suspect, then make your life easier and go for a
light sail with a narrow luff tube. Dunno about the Shock but if you want a
Neil Pryde go for the V6 or the cheaper VS. You might also want to look at
Gasstra Flow 2x or 1x.
I've used the V6 and V8 and although the V8 does offer higher performance
it is mainly at the top end of it's wind range. It does however have a
wider luff tube and more battens/cams giving it a slightly heavier feel
when uphauling, waterstarting etc..
Carl
jka...@ix.netcom.com
I was in your situation two seasons ago and bought a 6.5 V-6. Loved
it! Real easy to rig and waterstart! I just replaced it with a V-8
which is a bit harder to rig but doesn't seem much harder to
waterstart. I guess it's faster but the thing I notice most is the
increase in stability.
John Adler
ikkje spam! Iacob Chr. Prebensen
On Mon, 12 May 1997 20:47:52 GMT, lmi...@eei.ericsson.se (Pat Ryan)
wrote:
>Hi,
> I'm planning to buy a 6.5 M sail soon. I already have a 5.1M Neil
>Pryde sail which I bought about two years ago. It's a 5.1 XSC ( now
>called Gybe I think ) and I really like it. I don't have much to
>compare it with except a really old North and Bic sail.
>The problem I face is that NP have several makes of sail i.e Gybe,
>Shock, V6, V8 & the VX's. I can't gybe or waterstart but I hope to
>be able to by the end of this season.
>So, should I buy the cheapest sail ( Gybe ) or go fo the upper end of
>the range ( V6 or V8 ) in the hope that I will grow into them.
>I have a Bic rumba at the moment but hope to progress to a
>295 FreeRide board in the future.
>/Pat
Go for a mid class sail with cambers. V6 og V8 have a lot of power but
are still nice for us who arent pros. I've sailed the mighty VX and it
si superfast. But once you are in the water it sinks. This makes
waterstarts very difficoult.
BTW if you want to get a smaller board, go all the way at once. Get a
275. Alot more fun.
Sorry about my spelling!
Hei sveis
ia...@online.no
PS Screamer med "powerbox" ønskes kjøpt
Mark 'cecil' DeFriest
> Hi,
> I'm planning to buy a 6.5 M sail soon. I already have a 5.1M Neil
> Pryde sail which I bought about two years ago. It's a 5.1 XSC ( now
> called Gybe I think ) and I really like it. I don't have much to
> compare it with except a really old North and Bic sail.
> The problem I face is that NP have several makes of sail i.e Gybe,
> Shock, V6, V8 & the VX's. I can't gybe or waterstart but I hope to
> be able to by the end of this season.
Assuming you are into slalom and not waves, I'd suggest you go straight
for the V8 - I find it has a good bottom end wind range and isn't that
much more difficult to waterstart (the newer models have a slightly
narrower luff sleeve).
V6's are good, but you are likely to grow out of them sooner and I've been
sailing with V8's for at least 3 years now. Going to race sails is not
only expensive, it is a waste of time and money unless you are sailing in
the higher levels - big winds, racing etc etc.
For the record, I do not use the V8's for higher wind days - I have two
V8's (6M and 7M) but on the windy/choppy/wave days I use a 5.3M NR or a
4.7M Combat wave since it's more like wave sailing.
Hope this helps,
Mark
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Windsurfing Obsessive \ ___ /
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yo yo
I have three V6's and love them (7.5, 6.0, and 5.0). Excellent sails.
In article <33777d7d...@news.ericsson.se>, lmi...@eei.ericsson.se
says...
>
>Hi,
> I'm planning to buy a 6.5 M sail soon. I already have a 5.1M Neil
>Pryde sail which I bought about two years ago. It's a 5.1 XSC ( now
>called Gybe I think ) and I really like it. I don't have much to
>compare it with except a really old North and Bic sail.
>The problem I face is that NP have several makes of sail i.e Gybe,
>Shock, V6, V8 & the VX's. I can't gybe or waterstart but I hope to
>be able to by the end of this season.
Arnold Kaars Sijpesteijn
>
> In article <33777d7d...@news.ericsson.se>, lmi...@eei.ericsson.se wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I'm planning to buy a 6.5 M sail soon. I already have a 5.1M Neil
> > Pryde sail which I bought about two years ago. It's a 5.1 XSC ( now
> > called Gybe I think ) and I really like it. I don't have much to
> > compare it with except a really old North and Bic sail.
> > The problem I face is that NP have several makes of sail i.e Gybe,
> > Shock, V6, V8 & the VX's. I can't gybe or waterstart but I hope to
> > be able to by the end of this season.
>
> for the V8 - I find it has a good bottom end wind range and isn't that
> much more difficult to waterstart (the newer models have a slightly
> narrower luff sleeve).
>
> V6's are good, but you are likely to grow out of them sooner and I've been
> sailing with V8's for at least 3 years now. Going to race sails is not
> only expensive, it is a waste of time and money unless you are sailing in
> the higher levels - big winds, racing etc etc.
>
> For the record, I do not use the V8's for higher wind days - I have two
> V8's (6M and 7M) but on the windy/choppy/wave days I use a 5.3M NR or a
> 4.7M Combat wave since it's more like wave sailing.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Mark
>
> --
> __ /\ May the wind be at your side
> Mark 'Cecil' DeFriest / \_/ \ since it's no good coming
> ce...@netspace.net.au / \ from up front or behind
> Windsurfing Obsessive \ ___ /
> Melbourne Australia \_/ \*/
> __
> \/ http://www.pb.com.au/pb/homes/12000.htm
>
the question. I was advised to stay away from the VS. They tell me it is very easy to handle, but very
very slow. After reading all the conversation, I think I will get a V8.
Arnold,
Hoping for this cyclone to get a bit closer to Perth........ It's been a long time no wind.
Ralf Sigmund
I own a V8 7.0 and love it, because of its pressure point stabilty. I
allways wondered why I should bother buying a V6.
Last Year I went to Fuerteventura, Costa Calma. This is the famous
spot with a station run by Rene Egli. You can choose between all kinds
of Neil Pryde Sails whenever you want... The spot is famous as a high
speed flatwater spot. However the Atlantic is not really flat like the
lake where I usally surf in Germany. As you have one foot tall waves,
you do not have much time to get You sail completly out of the water
during waterstarting. I ran into lots of failed waterstarts using the
V8. When I switched over to the V6 there was more success at once.
So I had more fun with the V6 than with the V8. It still had a very
stabile pressure point, but gave you advantages in quickness of
waterstarting and was easier to jibe. So if you still do not stand
more than 60% of Your jibes in choppy water (lwhich is the case for
me) the V6 might be the better choice...
Ralf
Manuel Rodriguez
Hello everybody:
Last tuesday, I bought two sails, an NP MPR 4.7 and a VX2 7.1.
Currently I have a BIC veloche 3.28 (37 cm fin) and a UP Duo Slalom 6.0
sail. I sail in lakes of Nebraska, which are pretty gusty, in 10-20 mph
winds with my UP 6.0. I figured out to have the MPR 4.7 for windier
conditions and a sail of 7.5 m2 for 5-15 mph winds. I weight 150 pounds
(67 Kgs). I do not know how to water start, beach start or jibe, but I
went to the footstarps and I know how to plane.
Everything I do for starting is uphauling, which is easy when the wind
is not blowing. Initially I decided to get the VX2 7.4 for less windy
days and uphaul it everytime. I know is heavy and with a wide luff, but
since the wind of use will be arround 10 mph, outhauling it would not be
a big problem, and I would benefit then from its superior stability.
Because the vendor had already sold the VX2 7.4, I bought the VX2 7.1,
but now I do not know if the 7.1 is kind of overlapping wit my Duo Salom
6.0. I wanted to buy the V8 7.0 instead of the VX2 7.1, but it was also
sold out. The vendor told me that the VX2 7.1 would be as powerful as
the V8 7.0, but I saw that the V8 is wider in the boom (212 cm vs 208 in
the VX2), which makes me feel the V8 to have more low-end power, which
is what I mostly want for light wind days.
So, my question is what sail has more low-end power, and power in
general, the VX2 7.1 or the V8 7.0?
Is it a real paint to outhaul the VX2, and eventualy beach and (in a
few years) water start?
Any answers would be greatly appreciated. Depending on your answers, I
would inmediatelly put the VX2 for sale or trade.
Thans in advance,
Manuel Rodriguez
Serge Rezzonico
Manuel Rodriguez wrote:
> Last tuesday, I bought two sails, an NP MPR 4.7 and a VX2 7.1.
> Currently I have a BIC veloche 3.28 (37 cm fin) and a UP Duo Slalom 6.0
> sail. I sail in lakes of Nebraska, which are pretty gusty, in 10-20 mph
After reading that, I would like to question the honesty
of the person who sold you that sail, giving you a useless VX2
just because he had one in stock and nothing else better for you.
Did he also tell you "It matches well with the color of your
eyes/wetsuit/harness/car/whatever ?"
95% of sailors who don't race should stay away from such sails,
even if they are very good and have an appropriate board.
In your case, with such big a board (but I heard it's a good board
in its category) and your sailing level, it's pure nonsense.
A V8, as you wanted, and even better a V6 should be the sail you
need. As far as I know, they have better low-end power and are
more adapted to a big board.
I don't have any of the sails/board you mention, but I think
most people would tell you the same: buying a VX2 is like
buying a CRAY computer to play Doom.
However, don't let such things keep you away from windsurfing !
Try returning the sail to the store and look for another surfshop.
With the right sail (there's plenty of models which are ok)
in a few months you'll be jibing and waterstarting, I'm sure !
--
Serge
Jack Faller
mrod...@unlinfo.unl.edu (Manuel Rodriguez) writes:
: Hello everybody:
:
: Last tuesday, I bought two sails, an NP MPR 4.7 and a VX2 7.1.
: Currently I have a BIC veloche 3.28 (37 cm fin) and a UP Duo Slalom 6.0
: sail. I sail in lakes of Nebraska, which are pretty gusty, in 10-20 mph
: conditions and a sail of 7.5 m2 for 5-15 mph winds. I weight 150 pounds
: (67 Kgs). I do not know how to water start, beach start or jibe, but I
: went to the footstarps and I know how to plane.
:
: Everything I do for starting is uphauling, which is easy when the wind
: is not blowing. Initially I decided to get the VX2 7.4 for less windy
: days and uphaul it everytime. I know is heavy and with a wide luff, but
: since the wind of use will be arround 10 mph, outhauling it would not be
: a big problem, and I would benefit then from its superior stability.
: Because the vendor had already sold the VX2 7.4, I bought the VX2 7.1,
: but now I do not know if the 7.1 is kind of overlapping wit my Duo Salom
: 6.0. I wanted to buy the V8 7.0 instead of the VX2 7.1, but it was also
: sold out. The vendor told me that the VX2 7.1 would be as powerful as
: the V8 7.0, but I saw that the V8 is wider in the boom (212 cm vs 208 in
: the VX2), which makes me feel the V8 to have more low-end power, which
: is what I mostly want for light wind days.
:
: So, my question is what sail has more low-end power, and power in
: general, the VX2 7.1 or the V8 7.0?
They both have similar low end power if they are rigged correctly. The VX2
is slightly better for pumping. The big advantage with the VX2 is its
stability in gusty conditions and at the high end. You may well have
gotten too expensive a sail for your current skill level, but I wouldn't
exchange it for a V8, unless I got some serious money back.
A 96 V8 is ~$100-200 cheaper than the VX2.
The VX2 is the better sail-- now that you have it you should keep it, unless
you can recoup the difference in price.
: Is it a real pain to outhaul the VX2, no
downhauling is no worse than the V8,
: and eventualy beach and (in a
: few years) water start,
A 97 v8 has a smaller luff sleeve and will be easier to maneuver.
Any race sail is going to be a pain to water start relative to
your MPR's.
The sailworks Bravo is a good compromise for easy waterstarting.
For the wind range you suggest, however, waterstarting is going
to be pretty tough, no matter what sail you have. So faced with
probably having to uphaul anyway, why not keep the sail that
handles the gustiest conditions?
--
Jack Faller
Deparment of Chemistry
Yale University
jack....@yale.edu
Petri Havanto
In article <5lsbt9$2...@news.ycc.yale.edu> ja...@jaxindy.chem.yale.edu (Jack Faller) writes:
> From: ja...@jaxindy.chem.yale.edu (Jack Faller)
> : Last tuesday, I bought two sails, an NP MPR 4.7 and a VX2 7.1.
> : Currently I have a BIC veloche 3.28 (37 cm fin) and a UP Duo Slalom 6.0
> :
> : So, my question is what sail has more low-end power, and power in
> : general, the VX2 7.1 or the V8 7.0?
> The VX2 is the better sail-- now that you have it you should keep it, unless
> you can recoup the difference in price.
I'd say, the VX2 is faster upwind, has a quite a lot of more range,
especially in the upper end, but is probably not easier to handle. Not
really something to learn gybing with...
> : Is it a real pain to outhaul the VX2, no
> downhauling is no worse than the V8,
VX2 requires no outhauling but a _quite_amount_ of downhauling. I have
got no experience with V8 but I bet it (V8) does not require more...
> to be pretty tough, no matter what sail you have. So faced with
> probably having to uphaul anyway, why not keep the sail that
> handles the gustiest conditions?
To tell the truth, I don't own a single VX2 but two VX-LTDs. They are
great sails for what they are designed for. They are very, very fast,
very stable, good upwind/downwind performers but they don't really
excel in handlability or waterstartability. You get what you order...
For my application the LTDs are perfect, I have got a 7.8 and 6.3, for
blasting around, and for my weight (abt 200 lbs) they do the job. For
a lightweight they would probably be less enjoyable. I would probably
not recommend them for a beginner/low intermediate, if (s)he weren't a
very aggressive one and if (s)he didn't explictly want a pure racer...
Take care,
Petri
Ant Bewes
Manuel Rodriguez wrote:
>
> Hello everybody:
>
> Last tuesday, I bought two sails, an NP MPR 4.7 and a VX2 7.1.
> Currently I have a BIC veloche 3.28 (37 cm fin) and a UP Duo Slalom 6.0
> winds with my UP 6.0. I figured out to have the MPR 4.7 for windier
> conditions and a sail of 7.5 m2 for 5-15 mph winds. I weight 150 pounds
> (67 Kgs). I do not know how to water start, beach start or jibe, but I
> went to the footstarps and I know how to plane.
>
> Everything I do for starting is uphauling, which is easy when the wind
> is not blowing. Initially I decided to get the VX2 7.4 for less windy
> days and uphaul it everytime. I know is heavy and with a wide luff, but
> since the wind of use will be arround 10 mph, outhauling it would not be
> a big problem, and I would benefit then from its superior stability.
> Because the vendor had already sold the VX2 7.4, I bought the VX2 7.1,
> but now I do not know if the 7.1 is kind of overlapping wit my Duo Salom
> 6.0. I wanted to buy the V8 7.0 instead of the VX2 7.1, but it was also
> sold out. The vendor told me that the VX2 7.1 would be as powerful as
> the V8 7.0, but I saw that the V8 is wider in the boom (212 cm vs 208 in
> the VX2), which makes me feel the V8 to have more low-end power, which
> is what I mostly want for light wind days.
>
> general, the VX2 7.1 or the V8 7.0?
>
> few years) water start?
>
> Any answers would be greatly appreciated. Depending on your answers, I
> would inmediatelly put the VX2 for sale or trade.
>
> Thans in advance,
>
equipement you own. I've sailed a 6.5 UP duo slalom and it is has huge
bottom end.Your 6.0 _will_ overlap the 7,1 VX2. If I was to advice who
should be buying a VX2 or a V8 I'd say if you have a custom shortboard go
for the VX2 if you have a production, go for the V8. For a Veloce 328, a
7.5 V6 (if not then V8 or any modern 7.5 2/3cam sail)is preferable.
I think its criminal that you were sold the VX2, give your
retailer some serious grief don't take any shit and make sure you get
what you really need.
The MPR 4.7 should be awesome no worrys there!
Ant
Mark 'cecil' DeFriest
In article <3381AD...@lig.di.epfl.ch>, Serge Rezzonico
<rez...@lig.di.epfl.ch> wrote:
> Manuel Rodriguez wrote:
>
> > Last tuesday, I bought two sails, an NP MPR 4.7 and a VX2 7.1.
> > Currently I have a BIC veloche 3.28 (37 cm fin) and a UP Duo Slalom 6.0
> > sail. I sail in lakes of Nebraska, which are pretty gusty, in 10-20 mph
>
> After reading that, I would like to question the honesty
> of the person who sold you that sail, giving you a useless VX2
> just because he had one in stock and nothing else better for you.
>
> Did he also tell you "It matches well with the color of your
> eyes/wetsuit/harness/car/whatever ?"
>
> 95% of sailors who don't race should stay away from such sails,
> even if they are very good and have an appropriate board.
> In your case, with such big a board (but I heard it's a good board
> in its category) and your sailing level, it's pure nonsense.
>
> A V8, as you wanted, and even better a V6 should be the sail you
> need. As far as I know, they have better low-end power and are
> more adapted to a big board.
etc etc etc
I agree wholeheartedly with the above comments. I use V8's but if you can
get your hand on a V6 at this point in your windsurfing career you'd
advance much quicker.
Markus Huhtinen
Ant Bewes wrote:
>
> Manuel Rodriguez wrote:
> >
> > Hello everybody:
> >
> > Currently I have a BIC veloche 3.28 (37 cm fin) and a UP Duo Slalom 6.0
> > sail. I sail in lakes of Nebraska, which are pretty gusty, in 10-20 mph
> > conditions and a sail of 7.5 m2 for 5-15 mph winds. I weight 150 pounds
> > (67 Kgs). I do not know how to water start, beach start or jibe, but I
> > went to the footstarps and I know how to plane.
> >
> > Everything I do for starting is uphauling, which is easy when the wind
> > is not blowing. Initially I decided to get the VX2 7.4 for less windy
> > days and uphaul it everytime. I know is heavy and with a wide luff, but
> > since the wind of use will be arround 10 mph, outhauling it would not be
> > a big problem, and I would benefit then from its superior stability.
> > Because the vendor had already sold the VX2 7.4, I bought the VX2 7.1,
> > but now I do not know if the 7.1 is kind of overlapping wit my Duo Salom
> > 6.0. I wanted to buy the V8 7.0 instead of the VX2 7.1, but it was also
> > sold out. The vendor told me that the VX2 7.1 would be as powerful as
> > the V8 7.0, but I saw that the V8 is wider in the boom (212 cm vs 208 in
> > the VX2), which makes me feel the V8 to have more low-end power, which
> > is what I mostly want for light wind days.
> >
> > So, my question is what sail has more low-end power, and power in
> > general, the VX2 7.1 or the V8 7.0?
> >
> > Is it a real paint to outhaul the VX2, and eventualy beach and (in a
> > few years) water start?
> >
> > Any answers would be greatly appreciated. Depending on your answers, I
> > would inmediatelly put the VX2 for sale or trade.
> >
> > Thans in advance,
> >
> > Manuel Rodriguez
> retailer some serious grief don't take any shit and make sure you get
> what you really need.
> The MPR 4.7 should be awesome no worrys there!
> Ant
special gear and high skill to deliver its goods. If you want to have an
early planing light sail go for V8 or V6.
Markus
L-10
JOensuu, Finland
Will Oscroft william@ausdesco.demon.co.uk www.ausdesco.demon.co.uk
In article <3380B9...@unlinfo.unl.edu>, Manuel Rodriguez
<mrod...@unlinfo.unl.edu> writes
>Hello everybody:
>
> Last tuesday, I bought two sails, an NP MPR 4.7 and a VX2 7.1.
>Currently I have a BIC veloche 3.28 (37 cm fin) and a UP Duo Slalom 6.0
>sail. I sail in lakes of Nebraska, which are pretty gusty, in 10-20 mph
>winds with my UP 6.0. I figured out to have the MPR 4.7 for windier
>conditions and a sail of 7.5 m2 for 5-15 mph winds. I weight 150 pounds
>(67 Kgs). I do not know how to water start, beach start or jibe, but I
>went to the footstarps and I know how to plane.
>
> Everything I do for starting is uphauling, which is easy when the wind
>is not blowing. Initially I decided to get the VX2 7.4 for less windy
>days and uphaul it everytime. I know is heavy and with a wide luff, but
>since the wind of use will be arround 10 mph, outhauling it would not be
>a big problem, and I would benefit then from its superior stability.
>Because the vendor had already sold the VX2 7.4, I bought the VX2 7.1,
>but now I do not know if the 7.1 is kind of overlapping wit my Duo Salom
>6.0. I wanted to buy the V8 7.0 instead of the VX2 7.1, but it was also
>sold out. The vendor told me that the VX2 7.1 would be as powerful as
>the V8 7.0, but I saw that the V8 is wider in the boom (212 cm vs 208 in
>the VX2), which makes me feel the V8 to have more low-end power, which
>is what I mostly want for light wind days.
i have a VX 7.3. I purchased it because I need a bigger sail for light
wind days. I was amazed at the range of wind I could sail it in.
Other sailers are planing on 6m and I wizz past them on the 7.3 not
feeling overpowered, but comfortable. Easy to uphaul and not that
difficult to waterstart. Stick with it. I'm sure its best to
sometimes bight the bullet and stuff all the intermediate pussy footing
around because you soon learn technique and look for better equip.
>
--
Will Oscroft wil...@ausdesco.demon.co.uk www.ausdesco.demon.co.uk
Manuel Rodriguez
Hello everybody:
Thanks to anybody who answered my questions. Due to my wrong
winsurfing "spelling", I wrongly made my second question.
Initially I wrote:
Last tuesday, I bought two sails, an NP MPR 4.7 and a VX2 7.1.
Currently I have a BIC veloche 3.28 (37 cm fin) and a UP Duo Slalom 6.0
sail. I sail in lakes of Nebraska, which are pretty gusty, in 10-20 mph
winds with my UP 6.0. I figured out to have the MPR 4.7 for windier
conditions and a sail of 7.5 m2 for 5-15 mph winds. I weight 150 pounds
(67 Kgs). I do not know how to water start, beach start or jibe, but I
went to the footstarps and I know how to plane.
Everything I do for starting is uphauling, which is easy when
the wind is not blowing. Initially I decided to get the VX2 7.4 for less
windy days and uphaul it everytime. I know it is heavy and with a wide
luff, but since the wind of use will be arround 10 mph, uphauling (this
is what I wanted to say, NOT outhauling) it would not be a big problem,
and I would benefit then from its superior stability.
Because the vendor had already sold the VX2 7.4, I bought the VX2 7.1,
but now I do not know if the 7.1 is kind of overlapping wit my Duo Salom
6.0. I wanted to buy the V8 7.0 instead of the VX2 7.1, but it was also
sold out. The vendor told me that the VX2 7.1 would be as powerful as
the V8 7.0, but I saw that the V8 is wider in the boom (212 cm vs 208 in
the VX2), which makes me feel the V8 to have more low-end power, which
is what I mostly want for light-wind days.
So, my question is what sail has more low-end power, and power in
general, the VX2 7.1 or the V8 7.0?
Is it a real pain to UPHAUL (before, I wrongly said outhauling)
the VX2, and eventualy, beach and (in a few years) water start?
Any answers would be greatly appreciated. Depending on your
answers, I would inmediatelly put the VX2 for sale or trade.
> Thanks in advance,
>
I am sorry for my confusion, but since I am going to use the VX2
7.1 for winds of 5-15 mph, probably I have to uphaul it (and any other
sail)every time, and after that, benefit from its suposed better
stability if some gust arises.
So, the question again: Is it a real pain to UPHAUL the VX2 7.1?
Many thanks again,
Manuel Rodriguez
GottaHaveWind
VX series sails are designed to be a racing machine. People sail these
racing machine overpowered. Usually that means if you are on a 5.0 bump and
jump sail (1 - 2 cam sail) you can hold on to a 6.0 VX series sail and
feeling totally under control. When compare to a bump and jump sail, the VX
sail has a pretty shallow draft profile. With its 7 cams and stiff batten,
it gives you high end stability. However, that also means it does not have
as good a low end powered you are looking for. As you have noticed that
with the large luffa pockets, it is a handful when you try to uphill the
sail. This will also make watermarking a little bit harder when you have to
clear the sail with the luffa pocket full of water. Once the sail clears
the water (sail is flying), watertight is no more difficult than other
sails. V8 sails comes close to VX series racing machine. They have 3 cams.
They have just as big a luffa pocket as the VIS but weights less than the
VX sails. It has better low end power than the VX sails but has lower high
end stability than the VX sails. VX sails can also point higher than the
V8s. I would not classify the V8 as a bump and jump sail. It is closer to a
racing sail. I believe you can sail you 7.1 VX2 down to 6.0 Due Slalom sail
range. I would classify the Due Slalom sail as more of a bump and jump
sail. When your 7.1 VX gets overpowered, you can probably go down to a 5.5
to a 5.8 VX sail. However, learning to watertight with VX sail may be a
handful. Beach start would not be a problem.
To answer you question, V8 in my opinion has a better low end than the VX2.
In turns of learning water start, both will be a handful due to their wide
luffa when it is full of water. However, it is not impossible to watertight
these sails. V8 would be a cheaper sail than the VX2.
If you are into straight line speed, then VX2 is for you. If you want more
low end power on light wind days, then I think V8 is probably better for
you. VX2 can be sailed overpowered into higher wind range. In my opinion,
if you are not into racing, sailing smaller sail is much more fun than
sailing a big sail overpowered. My 2 cent worth....
Manuel Rodriguez <mrod...@unlinfo.unl.edu> wrote in article
<3380B9...@unlinfo.unl.edu>...
> Hello everybody:
>
> Last tuesday, I bought two sails, an NP MPR 4.7 and a VX2 7.1.
> Currently I have a BIC veloche 3.28 (37 cm fin) and a UP Duo Slalom 6.0
> sail. I sail in lakes of Nebraska, which are pretty gusty, in 10-20 mph
> winds with my UP 6.0. I figured out to have the MPR 4.7 for windier
> conditions and a sail of 7.5 m2 for 5-15 mph winds. I weight 150 pounds
> (67 Kgs). I do not know how to water start, beach start or jibe, but I
> went to the footstarps and I know how to plane.
>
> Everything I do for starting is uphauling, which is easy when the wind
> is not blowing. Initially I decided to get the VX2 7.4 for less windy
> days and uphaul it everytime. I know is heavy and with a wide luff, but
> since the wind of use will be arround 10 mph, outhauling it would not be
> a big problem, and I would benefit then from its superior stability.
> Because the vendor had already sold the VX2 7.4, I bought the VX2 7.1,
> but now I do not know if the 7.1 is kind of overlapping wit my Duo Salom
> 6.0. I wanted to buy the V8 7.0 instead of the VX2 7.1, but it was also
> sold out. The vendor told me that the VX2 7.1 would be as powerful as
> the V8 7.0, but I saw that the V8 is wider in the boom (212 cm vs 208 in
> the VX2), which makes me feel the V8 to have more low-end power, which
> is what I mostly want for light wind days.
>
> So, my question is what sail has more low-end power, and power in
> general, the VX2 7.1 or the V8 7.0?
>
> Is it a real paint to outhaul the VX2, and eventualy beach and (in a
> few years) water start?
>
> Any answers would be greatly appreciated. Depending on your answers, I
> would inmediatelly put the VX2 for sale or trade.
>
Jack Faller
mrod...@unlinfo.unl.edu (Manuel Rodriguez) writes:
: >
:
: I am sorry for my confusion, but since I am going to use the VX2
: 7.1 for winds of 5-15 mph, probably I have to uphaul it (and any other
: sail)every time, and after that, benefit from its suposed better
: stability if some gust arises.
:
: So, the question again: Is it a real pain to UPHAUL the VX2 7.1?
:
: Many thanks again,
:
: Manuel Rodriguez
Yes.
For ease of handling, I would have recommended a V6 or a Sailworks Bravo
for uphauling or especially waterstarting. In both cases the smaller
luff sleeve will not hold onto the water and it makes them easier to
to lift out of the water
The only point of a VX2
is racing and/or stability in gusts well over 15 mph.
If you are going to push the envelope into situations where the gusts are
into the low 20's, then the VX2 makes some sense--but at a novice level
it is overkill.
--- So much for the specific question
Now what about the title:"What's better a VX2 7.1 or V8 7.0?"
For an advanced sailor, the VX2 is better.
For a novice, the V8 (if that is the only choice).
--
The tough question is "If I bought a VX2 and am a novice, what should
I do?"
If you can recoup your money by selling it-- do so and get something
with virtually no luff sleeve, but a couple of camber inducers. (V6
or Bravo, for example). The problem is you'll probably take a bath
on the financial side of the resale. If you will lose too much
maybe you'll have to keep it and grow into it. Uphauling is a pain
but not impossible.
Wolfram Pietzsch
Manuel Rodriguez <mrod...@unlinfo.unl.edu> wrote:
>Hello everybody:
>
> Thanks to anybody who answered my questions. Due to my wrong
>winsurfing "spelling", I wrongly made my second question.
>
> Initially I wrote:
> Last tuesday, I bought two sails, an NP MPR 4.7 and a VX2 7.1.
> Currently I have a BIC veloche 3.28 (37 cm fin) and a UP Duo Slalom 6.0
> sail. I sail in lakes of Nebraska, which are pretty gusty, in 10-20 mph
> winds with my UP 6.0. I figured out to have the MPR 4.7 for windier
> conditions and a sail of 7.5 m2 for 5-15 mph winds. I weight 150 pounds
> (67 Kgs). I do not know how to water start, beach start or jibe, but I
> went to the footstarps and I know how to plane.
>
> Everything I do for starting is uphauling, which is easy when
>the wind is not blowing. Initially I decided to get the VX2 7.4 for less
>windy days and uphaul it everytime. I know it is heavy and with a wide
>luff, but since the wind of use will be arround 10 mph, uphauling (this
>is what I wanted to say, NOT outhauling) it would not be a big problem,
>and I would benefit then from its superior stability.
>Because the vendor had already sold the VX2 7.4, I bought the VX2 7.1,
>but now I do not know if the 7.1 is kind of overlapping wit my Duo Salom
>6.0. I wanted to buy the V8 7.0 instead of the VX2 7.1, but it was also
>sold out. The vendor told me that the VX2 7.1 would be as powerful as
>the V8 7.0, but I saw that the V8 is wider in the boom (212 cm vs 208 in
>the VX2), which makes me feel the V8 to have more low-end power, which
>is what I mostly want for light-wind days.
>
> So, my question is what sail has more low-end power, and power in
>general, the VX2 7.1 or the V8 7.0?
>
> Is it a real pain to UPHAUL (before, I wrongly said outhauling)
>the VX2, and eventualy, beach and (in a few years) water start?
>
> Any answers would be greatly appreciated. Depending on your
>answers, I would inmediatelly put the VX2 for sale or trade.
>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>
> I am sorry for my confusion, but since I am going to use the VX2
>7.1 for winds of 5-15 mph, probably I have to uphaul it (and any other
>sail)every time, and after that, benefit from its suposed better
>stability if some gust arises.
>
>So, the question again: Is it a real pain to UPHAUL the VX2 7.1?
>
> Many thanks again,
>
> Manuel Rodriguez
I just ordered the 1997 V8 7.5 with the CK 75 Mast (4.90m) after many dicussions
and lots of readings about the choice between the V8 and the VX2 (or the new VX3
for 1997). My primary concern is early planing, good speed and stability in
gusts. I believe the V8 delivers on all three accounts. I already own 3 other V8
in smaller sizes and are very satisfied with them.
The VX2 (or 3) is more expensive with a slightly higher top speed, harder to
rigg, much more difficult to waterstart or uphaul and has a stonger "pop" when
jibing. To get the most from this sail, you may also need the CK 90 mast, again
a lot more money!!
Go with the V8 unless you are into racing!
Wolf